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The NFL is NOT ready for Kliff Kingsbury's Air Raid...

Klaatu : 4/13/2019 3:02 pm
No matter who the Quarterback is.

Fascinating video from Brett Kollman. I thought it was going to be all about Kyler Murray vs. Josh Rosen, but it was a hell of a lot more than that.

Enjoy.

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A very interesting video. As you pointed out, it has little to to  
Ira : 4/13/2019 3:27 pm : link
with Rosen or Murray and a lot to do with the system that Arizona will run.
I love Kollman  
Pork Chop : 4/13/2019 3:30 pm : link
Good breakdown, I had no idea Leach was that influential on coaching/QBs in college and the NFL.
They weren’t ready for Chip Kelly  
jeff57 : 4/13/2019 3:33 pm : link
Either.
Kliff  
Toth029 : 4/13/2019 3:39 pm : link
Going to waste David Johnson.
RE: They weren’t ready for Chip Kelly  
RobCarpenter : 4/13/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14385062 jeff57 said:
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Either.


This.
They will have a window for success  
81_Great_Dane : 4/13/2019 3:41 pm : link
until opposing coaches find a solution. That was true of Buddy Ryan's defense of the 1985 Bears, too. There's a reason that scheme didn't continue to dominate offenses. There's a response to every scheme.

There isn't necessarily a response to truly great players. The H-back was invented as a response to Lawrence Taylor. Didn't stop him. Probably stopped some lesser pass-rushing OLBs, though.

If Murray turns out to be a truly great player, he'll make his coach look like a genius.
Oooh, I'm scared.  
David B. : 4/13/2019 3:48 pm : link
The Giants aren't ready for anyone's offense yet.

Maybe after the draft.
RE: They will have a window for success  
AcidTest : 4/13/2019 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14385074 81_Great_Dane said:
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until opposing coaches find a solution. That was true of Buddy Ryan's defense of the 1985 Bears, too. There's a reason that scheme didn't continue to dominate offenses. There's a response to every scheme.

There isn't necessarily a response to truly great players. The H-back was invented as a response to Lawrence Taylor. Didn't stop him. Probably stopped some lesser pass-rushing OLBs, though.

If Murray turns out to be a truly great player, he'll make his coach look like a genius.


Great analysis.
RE: They weren’t ready for Chip Kelly  
FStubbs : 4/13/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14385062 jeff57 said:
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Either.


Or Steve Spurrier.

At least those two actually won in college.
RE: RE: They weren’t ready for Chip Kelly  
jnoble : 4/13/2019 5:40 pm : link
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Either.



Or Steve Spurrier.

At least those two actually won in college.


Don't forget Nick Sabin who washed out after two mediocre years in Miami and went back to running one of the most impressive college football programs ever
Air Coryell!  
DonQuixote : 4/13/2019 5:59 pm : link
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Eh...  
trueblueinpw : 4/13/2019 6:30 pm : link
“Split second decision”, “controlled aggression”, lots of other platitudes, sure.

But mostly I saw talent mismatches and blown coverages which just don’t present themselves as frequently in the NFL. What is it again that makes this offense unique? I predict the NFL is more than ready for Kliff and his Air Raid.
7 collegiate teams last season were ready for his offense  
nyjuggernaut2 : 4/13/2019 6:59 pm : link
including Iowa St which held them to 10 points.
Saban left Miami because he picked the wrong QB and because  
Ivan15 : 4/13/2019 8:34 pm : link
He couldn’t get his way. It had nothing to do with the offensive scheme.
If Kings ury’s offense was unstoppable, someone would already be using  
Ivan15 : 4/13/2019 8:39 pm : link
it.

The easiest way to stop any offense is to Kill the QB.
Kliff  
TyreeHelmet : 4/13/2019 8:50 pm : link
The guys offense didn’t even succeed in the Big 12. I think the NFL is ready....
Who is the college coach  
steve in ky : 4/13/2019 8:57 pm : link
that HBO Real Sports did a segment on who never punted? Had all these statistics to back up his reasoning and his teams were outscoring most of the opposition buy a lot.

It's been awhile since it aired so maybe he has crashed and burned since then.
RE: Who is the college coach  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/13/2019 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14385386 steve in ky said:
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that HBO Real Sports did a segment on who never punted? Had all these statistics to back up his reasoning and his teams were outscoring most of the opposition buy a lot.

It's been awhile since it aired so maybe he has crashed and burned since then.


That was a high school coach.
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steve in ky : 4/13/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14385396 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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that HBO Real Sports did a segment on who never punted? Had all these statistics to back up his reasoning and his teams were outscoring most of the opposition buy a lot.


Was it, I couldn't remember. It was an interesting piece. I wonder if he ever got a shot at college?
It's been awhile since it aired so maybe he has crashed and burned since then.



That was a high school coach.
Oops sorry must have hit something wrong with quote feature  
steve in ky : 4/13/2019 9:01 pm : link
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RE: Who is the college coach  
madgiantscow009 : 4/13/2019 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14385386 steve in ky said:
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that HBO Real Sports did a segment on who never punted? Had all these statistics to back up his reasoning and his teams were outscoring most of the opposition buy a lot.

It's been awhile since it aired so maybe he has crashed and burned since then.


who was the coach that always punted? Dan Reeves in the mid 90s.
RE: RE: Who is the college coach  
fanofthejets : 4/13/2019 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14385412 madgiantscow009 said:
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that HBO Real Sports did a segment on who never punted? Had all these statistics to back up his reasoning and his teams were outscoring most of the opposition buy a lot.

It's been awhile since it aired so maybe he has crashed and burned since then.



who was the coach that always punted? Dan Reeves in the mid 90s.


I remember he still did those 3rd down quick kicks
If the Big 12 could handle it, then the NFL should have no problem  
PatersonPlank : 4/13/2019 9:53 pm : link
Kingsbury will be the biggest bust in NFL coaching in a long time, maybe ever.
If AZ tanks  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/14/2019 1:44 am : link
again despite this new offense no one but the Avengers has a hope of stopping do they can Kliff like they did after they screwed up w Wilks?

But they will have cell phone breaks so then players can post on Instagram. another thing the NFL isnt ready for
There will always be new schemes to attack defenses  
Mike from Ohio : 4/14/2019 8:59 am : link
and responsive changes from defenses. And maybe the Air Raid will eventually have some longer term impact as many other “new” schemes have, but the more likely outcome is it has some short term impact and then fades like every other unstoppable innovation like the run and shoot, the wildcat and whatever it was Chip Kelly tried to do.
RE: If the Big 12 could handle it, then the NFL should have no problem  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/14/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14385470 PatersonPlank said:
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Kingsbury will be the biggest bust in NFL coaching in a long time, maybe ever.


The thing is, Texas Tech is like a middle of the pack team in the Big 12 and they don’t spend nearly enough money to get the talent that Texas and or Oaklahoma get.

It will be interesting to see how he does in the NFL, where the talent playing field is leveled out.
The foward pass was the  
Bubba : 4/14/2019 12:31 pm : link
ruination of the game.
Not one comment about Murray and Rosen vis-a-vis the draft?  
Klaatu : 4/14/2019 12:41 pm : link
That's what fascinated me the most...the idea that Arizona will pass on Murray and keep Rosen because Rosen is just as capable of running KK's offense as Murray is (albeit he's not the running threat that Murray is).
RE: RE: If the Big 12 could handle it, then the NFL should have no problem  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/14/2019 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14385885 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Kingsbury will be the biggest bust in NFL coaching in a long time, maybe ever.



The thing is, Texas Tech is like a middle of the pack team in the Big 12 and they don’t spend nearly enough money to get the talent that Texas and or Oaklahoma get.

It will be interesting to see how he does in the NFL, where the talent playing field is leveled out.


Except AZ isn’t exactly loaded. Never mind a whole new scheme? Maybe Murray is the real deal and this offense can do some things. I don't think jes he’s some visionary offensive mastermind. We will see one way or the other
Are we  
Dirt1 : 4/14/2019 4:16 pm : link
ready?

RE: Not one comment about Murray and Rosen vis-a-vis the draft?  
DonQuixote : 4/14/2019 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14385913 Klaatu said:
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That's what fascinated me the most...the idea that Arizona will pass on Murray and keep Rosen because Rosen is just as capable of running KK's offense as Murray is (albeit he's not the running threat that Murray is).


And if AZ drafts Murray, then the video is full of it, since it would be at odds with Kingsbury himself.
Cardinals draft Murray and package Rosen and Johnson for  
Ivan15 : 4/14/2019 7:09 pm : link
Washington’s whole draft.
RE: RE: Not one comment about Murray and Rosen vis-a-vis the draft?  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/14/2019 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14386394 DonQuixote said:
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That's what fascinated me the most...the idea that Arizona will pass on Murray and keep Rosen because Rosen is just as capable of running KK's offense as Murray is (albeit he's not the running threat that Murray is).



And if AZ drafts Murray, then the video is full of it, since it would be at odds with Kingsbury himself.


Not really. Murray already know the offense and concepts, and it will be much easier for him to come in and be successful.

After watching it, I felt like sticking with Eli is a mistake. We can't beat Cover 2 because we can't take deep shots. The importance of that was drilled into that video, and Shurmur takes spread concepts and puts them into our offense.
RE: Who is the college coach  
81_Great_Dane : 4/15/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14385386 steve in ky said:
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that HBO Real Sports did a segment on who never punted? Had all these statistics to back up his reasoning and his teams were outscoring most of the opposition buy a lot.

It's been awhile since it aired so maybe he has crashed and burned since then.
There is a chart of field position and distance that says whether it makes sense to punt or go for it based on analytics. I think the NY Times published it. No one in the NFL uses it because the thinking is too unconventional. That'll probably change over time.

The one guy who seems to be willing to challenge the conventional wisdom on punting is Bill Belichick, and even he has taken a lot of flack for trying things that didn't work.
RE: RE: RE: Not one comment about Murray and Rosen vis-a-vis the draft?  
PatersonPlank : 4/15/2019 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14386400 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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That's what fascinated me the most...the idea that Arizona will pass on Murray and keep Rosen because Rosen is just as capable of running KK's offense as Murray is (albeit he's not the running threat that Murray is).



And if AZ drafts Murray, then the video is full of it, since it would be at odds with Kingsbury himself.



Not really. Murray already know the offense and concepts, and it will be much easier for him to come in and be successful.

After watching it, I felt like sticking with Eli is a mistake. We can't beat Cover 2 because we can't take deep shots. The importance of that was drilled into that video, and Shurmur takes spread concepts and puts them into our offense.


Isn't throwing deep more a function of thte time the OL gives the QB? Eli has been beating Cover 2 his whole career because of this arm strength.
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