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NFT: Mets at Braves Game 3

ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 4:36 pm
Mets Lineup

Jeff McNeil – 2B
Pete Alonso – 1B
Michael Conforto – RF
J.D. Davis – 3B
Travis d’Arnaud – C
Keon Broxton - LF
Amed Rosario - SS
Juan Lagares – CF
Jason Vargas - LHP

Wow. Definitely one of the best chances the Braves are going to have at a win against us, maybe ever. lol. A Vargas start and Nimmo, Cano, and Ramos all out tonight. Broxton, Lagares, TDA, and JD Davis all in the same lineup. Oh well. I feel like tonight is house money anyway with deGrom going tomorrow. LGM!!

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RE: The worst thing about Vargas  
jpkmets : 4/13/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14385278 pjcas18 said:
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is every single one of us (almost) expected this and begged for an upgrade. So many cheap options out there.

Yeah, he's the 5th starter, but why pretend he's even a decent 5th starter when there were many cheap options out there.

Not much to complain about with BVW off-season, but this is clearly a miss.


Literally my only gripe. A big whiff. Hope he rectifies it.
RE: RE: He's not a fucking Major League pitcher  
81_Great_Dane : 4/13/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14385275 jpkmets said:
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In comment 14385270 Rob in Rockaway said:


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why can't they see that???



Really hope BVW acts accordingly
I think he will. I don't think he's as patient as Alderson was, and he didn't acquire Vargas.

In the old days, Vargas would be sent down to AAA to get himself together — and he might not ever get back. That isn't as normal as it used to be. Honestly, Vargas should do it if they offer him the chance. Whatever he's got left, he's got to find it or he's going to be home mowing the lawn.
If Oswalt can give us another 4 innings only giving up a run or two  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 8:01 pm : link
He's very likely the 5th starter for a while.

Vargas couldn't locate anything that inning. Awful.
Why not  
giantsFC : 4/13/2019 8:01 pm : link
Go w a specialist refiner there instead of a SP?? Then osowalt gets time to warm up and pitches a few innings, or a whole game if it’s mop up?

Instead call away brings in the one lichee who isn’t a reliever in quick warm up.

And then gets ejected.

Nice
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giantsFC : 4/13/2019 8:02 pm : link
Jesus Christ fuck iPads
I am not sure Oswalt is that much better  
CMicks3110 : 4/13/2019 8:03 pm : link
his stuff was trending upswards in the spring, but he was sporting a fastball at 91 that inning, that's not going to cut it. I wouldn't be opposed to pushing Kay fast. He's already 24. If you're not going to sign Keuchel. Move Kay, or trade for someone like Stroman. \

Vargas is non-competitive. I don't even get mad at the guy, I just expect him to fail at this point.
RE: I am not sure Oswalt is that much better  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 8:06 pm : link
In comment 14385289 CMicks3110 said:
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his stuff was trending upswards in the spring, but he was sporting a fastball at 91 that inning, that's not going to cut it. I wouldn't be opposed to pushing Kay fast. He's already 24. If you're not going to sign Keuchel. Move Kay, or trade for someone like Stroman. \

Vargas is non-competitive. I don't even get mad at the guy, I just expect him to fail at this point.


You do realize that Keuchel is also a soft tossing junk baller right? He throws about 88. Not every pitcher needs to throw 99 mph.
Nice AB from Broxton  
jpkmets : 4/13/2019 8:06 pm : link
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Mets fighting back  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 8:08 pm : link
Come on.
And a nice approach  
jpkmets : 4/13/2019 8:08 pm : link
From Rosario. Let’s go Lagares!
Was there a specific reason Nimmo is out today?  
ChaChing : 4/13/2019 8:09 pm : link
Guy who's slumped all season finally has a breakout so they sit him? Maybe there's another reason but IMO that momentum is way more important in that situation especially for an everyday player. Think he just had a day off too

Maybe it works out but that's counter-intuitive to me
Here they go!  
steve in ky : 4/13/2019 8:09 pm : link
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Niiiice Lagares  
jpkmets : 4/13/2019 8:10 pm : link
Gotta love the team’s push back
Meantime Lagares gets back 2!  
ChaChing : 4/13/2019 8:10 pm : link
Probably gonna need every bat today
Excellent work  
jpkmets : 4/13/2019 8:12 pm : link
Oswalt
Oswalt w/ several decent swings  
ChaChing : 4/13/2019 8:12 pm : link
and a sac fly...not bad
RE: Was there a specific reason Nimmo is out today?  
81_Great_Dane : 4/13/2019 8:12 pm : link
In comment 14385300 ChaChing said:
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Guy who's slumped all season finally has a breakout so they sit him? Maybe there's another reason but IMO that momentum is way more important in that situation especially for an everyday player. Think he just had a day off too

Maybe it works out but that's counter-intuitive to me
Maybe Callaway is crazy like a fox. By starting Lagares and Broxton (with a fly ball pitcher on the mound) he is in a position to bring in Nimmo in a double switch. Which you'd anticipate if you think you might be trailing early and need to claw your way back.
Niiiiice  
jpkmets : 4/13/2019 8:13 pm : link
New ballgame!
New game  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 8:13 pm : link
McRibbies
This team has some serious fight in it.  
81_Great_Dane : 4/13/2019 8:13 pm : link
So different from recent years, where you'd feel like they'd never overcome a 4-0 deficit, ever.
Once again these young Mets bounce right back after falling behind  
steve in ky : 4/13/2019 8:14 pm : link
They have a lot of grit
So what's worse?  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 8:14 pm : link
Vargas out after an inning or Newcomb out after an inning? Hmmm....

Nice job Metsies.
Jeff "the Flying Squirrel" McNeil  
ChaChing : 4/13/2019 8:15 pm : link
or Flying McSquirrel as I like to call him. Not sure when they added Flying as Gary said but I'd prefer it to just squirrel too

Just keeps hitting. Been huge w/ RISP already this season too (among others no doubt)
Nice rally  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/13/2019 8:15 pm : link
we got a game again.
z  
CMicks3110 : 4/13/2019 8:15 pm : link
there is statistical correlations between velocity and effectiveness. Below certain thresholds, your stuff just won't hold up--each pitchers treshhold is different. There was a great article about Yu Darvish's decline by Eno Sarris recently, talked about his ERA when his velocity is below 93 versus above 93, its a full run higher at the lower velocity.

Velocity isn't everything, of course, command, pitch mix, etc. Keuchel has a much better track record than Vargas.
!  
Amazinz : 4/13/2019 8:15 pm : link
This is a good night.
Now Alonso just needs to go yard  
jpkmets : 4/13/2019 8:15 pm : link
To wrap up a tidy rally

Toussaint is good, tho
RE: z  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14385318 CMicks3110 said:
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there is statistical correlations between velocity and effectiveness. Below certain thresholds, your stuff just won't hold up--each pitchers treshhold is different. There was a great article about Yu Darvish's decline by Eno Sarris recently, talked about his ERA when his velocity is below 93 versus above 93, its a full run higher at the lower velocity.

Velocity isn't everything, of course, command, pitch mix, etc. Keuchel has a much better track record than Vargas.


Sure but you're talking about the decline of fastball speeds for pitchers who came up making a living off a big fastball. There are plenty of guys that are decent that throw 92 (Which Oswalt actually touched in the first inning). Combine the fact the guy isnt in his normal routine and we dont need a guy to be an ace in the 5th spot, Ill wait and see...
RE: RE: Was there a specific reason Nimmo is out today?  
ChaChing : 4/13/2019 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14385308 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 14385300 ChaChing said:
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Guy who's slumped all season finally has a breakout so they sit him? Maybe there's another reason but IMO that momentum is way more important in that situation especially for an everyday player. Think he just had a day off too

Maybe it works out but that's counter-intuitive to me

Maybe Callaway is crazy like a fox. By starting Lagares and Broxton (with a fly ball pitcher on the mound) he is in a position to bring in Nimmo in a double switch. Which you'd anticipate if you think you might be trailing early and need to claw your way back.

Mickey "the prophet" Callaway. If he's that far ahead great, plus I learned something

But if so BVW needs to do something about Vargas immediately <*novel idea*>
That's what I love about McNeil. He's such a heads up player  
Ira : 4/13/2019 8:19 pm : link
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Davis just missed that  
jpkmets : 4/13/2019 8:21 pm : link
Heck of an inning, boys
Oswalt, at average fastball level,  
CMicks3110 : 4/13/2019 8:21 pm : link
is a replacement level player; I thought with an uptick to 93-95, he could be a decent 4-5. Hopefully replacement level is better than Vargas level.
RE: Oswalt, at average fastball level,  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14385328 CMicks3110 said:
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is a replacement level player; I thought with an uptick to 93-95, he could be a decent 4-5. Hopefully replacement level is better than Vargas level.


There's no such thing as fastball speed dictating whether a player is replacement level or not. Results are the only thing that dictates that.
Okay, well, in my defense...there’s a reason I don’t run a baseball  
PhiPsi125 : 4/13/2019 8:26 pm : link
team.
Is it Chili Davis that gets credit  
DonQuixote : 4/13/2019 8:27 pm : link
for the way the team is hitting, taking hits the other way, situational hitting, or is that a team level thing?
RE: Is it Chili Davis that gets credit  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14385336 DonQuixote said:
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for the way the team is hitting, taking hits the other way, situational hitting, or is that a team level thing?


Thats a better players in the lineup thing.
Awww man  
jpkmets : 4/13/2019 8:32 pm : link
Rosario almost had it
RE: Is it Chili Davis that gets credit  
Eric on Li : 4/13/2019 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14385336 DonQuixote said:
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for the way the team is hitting, taking hits the other way, situational hitting, or is that a team level thing?


Team level thinking has definitely changed. They've shifted to a more contact oriented situational approach, whereas in the past the system was more power oriented (taking swings to do damage and not adjusting in the count).
It's only the second inning.  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 8:35 pm : link
Holy hell this game is going to last 5 hours.
JFC  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 8:38 pm : link
We are getting BABIP'd to death in this game. How many grounders through holes?
If Oswalt doesn’t have the 95mph heater  
Metnut : 4/13/2019 8:38 pm : link
we saw in the spring, then he’s the same pitcher as last year and that’s not good.

I think we need to go outside the organization to find another starter.
at least the Marlins  
CMicks3110 : 4/13/2019 8:39 pm : link
are pummeling the Phils
BVW has to be on the phone right now  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/13/2019 8:40 pm : link
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What other options do they have within the organization?  
steve in ky : 4/13/2019 8:40 pm : link
Any hot young prospects that could possibly make the jump up?
This game is going to be a major  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 8:42 pm : link
chore to get through.
I wouldn't hesitate to call up Kay  
CMicks3110 : 4/13/2019 8:42 pm : link
sure, he's certainly not ready, but he's probably better than this swamp, next man up is Flexen, who I have no faith in either.
Brodie made a mistake going with Vargas  
Vanzetti : 4/13/2019 8:42 pm : link
Also, Oswald obviously is not the answer. Might actually be worse than Vargas.
Is there really no one else On the farm  
Rflairr : 4/13/2019 8:43 pm : link
They always bring this bum up. Jeesh
RE: What other options do they have within the organization?  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14385357 steve in ky said:
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Any hot young prospects that could possibly make the jump up?


Flexen gave up like 5 runs tonight on 2 homers but I think he had like 10Ks. He's been striking out a ton of hitters early in the season.

Kay might be able to make the jump eventually but not yet.

Good news we only need the 5th starter spot one more time this month with all the off days.
RE: Brodie made a mistake going with Vargas  
DonQuixote : 4/13/2019 8:44 pm : link
In comment 14385360 Vanzetti said:
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Also, Oswald obviously is not the answer. Might actually be worse than Vargas.


All the evidence says you are correct, but to me it seems like Oswalt has more life than Vargas.
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