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Tyrann Mathieu on twitter “Russell Wilson wants NY”

bLiTz 2k : 4/14/2019 3:35 am
Tweet:
@Mathieu_Era
“Russ wants New York. But you ain’t heard that from T..”


My opinion is never gonna happen (nor would I if I was NYG), just sharing the tweet.
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All I have heard the last 2-3 seasons  
dep026 : 4/14/2019 10:46 am : link
is how far we are away from competing. How we need to draft better. How we need to get better drafts and build through the draft...

Yet a lot of those same people want to give up all your premium picks plus sign a QB to a long term deal that will be at least 35 million per year for 5 years.

Just doesnt make any sense at all.

And love how people are saying playing Barkley will make him better.... he has had the best rush game offense in like 5 of his 7 years...lol.
RE: RE: I like Wilson, but  
section125 : 4/14/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14385790 djm said:
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I'm not giving him $30 mill.



Well that settles it.

Ridiculous.


You want to pay him $30 mill?
So...  
Dodge : 4/14/2019 11:09 am : link
You don't want a top 10 QB ever again?
RE: So...  
dep026 : 4/14/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14385822 Dodge said:
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You don't want a top 10 QB ever again?


How about a top 10 defense? Or a top 10 run game?
RE: All I have heard the last 2-3 seasons  
Mike from Ohio : 4/14/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14385798 dep026 said:
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is how far we are away from competing. How we need to draft better. How we need to get better drafts and build through the draft...

Yet a lot of those same people want to give up all your premium picks plus sign a QB to a long term deal that will be at least 35 million per year for 5 years.

Just doesnt make any sense at all.

And love how people are saying playing Barkley will make him better.... he has had the best rush game offense in like 5 of his 7 years...lol.


Drafting better is not generally how you “win now” which is what JT is insisting the view is within the Giants front office. If you are trying to win now the only decision is “which player gives us a better chance to win next Sunday.” Yes if the cost in picks is too high you don’t mortgage the future, but having an elite QB under center for the next 5 years certainly makes this team winning consistently much more likely.
RE: So...  
section125 : 4/14/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14385822 Dodge said:
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You don't want a top 10 QB ever again?


Not at $30 mill, no. I just think QB salaries are way out of control. And I like Wilson, just not at 1/6 of the cap.
Absolutely for this  
Nine-Tails : 4/14/2019 11:47 am : link
Russ is in my opinion an elite qb. The salary doesn't scare me because the Giants are healthy cap wise and will still be able to build the team with a 30 mil plus cap hit. And those that are scared off by his salary, Eli hasn't justified his cap hit in many years, yet some have no problem trotting him out at his cap hit and argue that he needs better pieces.

The cost to trade for him will be big, but we would have to trade assists anyway to get a top qb in 2020 if we don't take one this year and need to move up. Except with Wilson, we're guaranteed a top qb.
RE: RE: So...  
USAF NYG Fan : 4/14/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14385825 dep026 said:
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You don't want a top 10 QB ever again?



How about a top 10 defense? Or a top 10 run game?

The Giants already have a top 10 run game. Unfortunately, it took them half the season to either realize that or felt forced to run more. Let's hope the run/pass ratio is cleaned up next season. All signs point toward that being the case IMHO.

NY Giants ranked 24th in YPG last year but 7th in average yards per rush. 1st in fewest fumbles rushing the ball. Barkley has a 5.0 YPA. Gallman a respectable 3.5 YPA as his relief.

However, they ranked 5th in their rush vs pass attempt. They rushed the ball 38.98% of the time for the whole year so that includes when they stepped it up the 2nd half of the season and still only rushed the 5th LEAST in the league. Seattle ranked as the #1 rushing offense in the league and that's because they rushed the ball 52.44% which is also good for #1 in the league. So it ranks them as the #1 rushing offense but I don't think anyone believes Seattle has the best rushing offense in the league. If you do, you're not paying attention.

This shows the Giants are more effective at running the ball than most of the NFL and yet don't run the damn ball enough. If they don't focus on the run in 2019, regardless of every team defending against it with OBJ gone, I'll be pissed off. If you didn't see me do it game thread or any other thread, be ready to see the following quote, "RUN THE DAMN BALL!"

Go defense heavy in this draft and maybe a RT if one is there at 17 or 37 rated higher than the remaining defenders. Maybe an OC in the 3rd if one drops. All other positions are on defense. They should also trade lower draft picks to move up and get more defenders or trade them for higher picks next year as they may need that draft capital more in 2020. Next year weigh and measure your options for Tua, Fromm, Herbert, Wilson, Eli, and anyone else that's at least competant.
RE: People are going to have to relax  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/14/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14385613 dep026 said:
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About this. Paying him 35+ million plus at least 2-3 premium draft picks is just dumb. Seattle isn’t going to give him away for nothing. Plus, they will have 2 years after this year to franchise him as well.

By the time you have a chance for him, he will be 33-34 years old and that’s not a smart rebuilding plan.


You're right that it isn't smart. But look at how ancient our starting QB is right now, if you think Wilson is old or on the verge of being old.
RE: RE: People are going to have to relax  
section125 : 4/14/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14385886 Dave in Hoboken said:
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About this. Paying him 35+ million plus at least 2-3 premium draft picks is just dumb. Seattle isn’t going to give him away for nothing. Plus, they will have 2 years after this year to franchise him as well.

By the time you have a chance for him, he will be 33-34 years old and that’s not a smart rebuilding plan.



You're right that it isn't smart. But look at how ancient our starting QB is right now, if you think Wilson is old or on the verge of being old.


They need to go young...draft one or get Rosen. Wilson IS one of the best in the game. I'd love for him to be in Blue. The cost will be crazy that is my beef.
Could be fun  
idiotsavant : 4/14/2019 12:28 pm : link
. Carrying both contracts at once, I mean, load Wilson's up on year two and Eli retires for the 2020?
RE: The Giants just signed Tate  
tyrik13 : 4/14/2019 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14385734 Beer Man said:
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Didn't Tate have an affair with Wilson's ex-wife, while they were still married?


That’s the rumor but Wilson is now married to the singer Ciara, I doubt he even cares about that shit anymore
RE: Big Rick in FL  
Big Rick in FL : 4/14/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14385788 WillVAB said:
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Your argument is misleading. Seattle has lost a ton of talented players over the years bc of Wilson’s contract. Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Bennett, the list goes on and on.

Has Seattle’s drafting declined? Sure, but they haven’t been Reese level bad.


Their drafts have been just as bad as Reese's drafts. At least Reese got Odell, Shepard, Engram, Landon. Not to mention guys like Pugh, Richburg, Kennard who got big contracts from other teams.

They didn't lose those guys because of Wilson's contract.

Sherman played for the Seahawks for 3 years after the Russ extension. He declined significantly and had an injury. That's why he was let go.

Thomas got an extension and played for the Seahawks for 4 years after Wilson's extension. Was injured 3 of the 4 years of his contract and then flipped the bird to the sideline. That's why he's gone.

Michael Bennett played for Seattle for 3 years after Wilson's extension. Bennett was supposedly a pain in the ass the year before he got released and was 32.

So those guys got extensions after Russ. Their problem was they didn't plan to replace those guys and they drafted horribly.
RE: RE: This is never happening  
Hsilwek92 : 4/14/2019 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14385643 McNally's_Nuts said:
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But I can’t believe people are so against this. Do you guys realize how good he is? Put him on this team as currently constructed and we are already a playoff contender.

We have a ton of money coming the next few years even with a potential huge contract we would have to pay him.

He is not a good player. He’s a great player and will probably be so for a good 5-7 years at least.




This.


I’d give up 6, 17 and 37 right now for him.


Thank Christ neither of you are GMs then.

Wilson is not worth that.
AGREE BIG PASS  
Bluesbreaker : 4/14/2019 1:28 pm : link
No knock on Wilson but giving a huge contract to
him who will be 32 next year how many Quality years
does he have left . I don't feel he is a long term solution
I would rather draft the replacement or go after Rosen
I'm kinda on the fence with him but Eli has got two more
seasons at best he has a ton of miles on that arm .
We were blessed to have him what a Great clutch QB
Iron man and Class act in every sense of the word .
Two of the Best MVP super-bowls ever .
RE: This is never happening  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/14/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14385639 Danny Kanell said:
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But I can’t believe people are so against this. Do you guys realize how good he is? Put him on this team as currently constructed and we are already a playoff contender.

We have a ton of money coming the next few years even with a potential huge contract we would have to pay him.

He is not a good player. He’s a great player and will probably be so for a good 5-7 years at least.



It’s maddening. A legitimate HOF qb in his prime.
RE: If you can get this guy for 6, 17, and 37 you make  
GFAN52 : 4/14/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14385672 eric2425ny said:
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trade and don’t look back. He’s got at least 5 pro bowl years left in him. Imagine an offense with Wilson, Barkley, Tate, Shepard, Engram. And more importantly a solid offensive line.

The $$ aspect is overblown. Every year a new QB becomes the highest paid. That’s what happens when you have a rising salary cap.


No way, the defense is a mess. Stick to the rebuild.
RE: RE: This is never happening  
dep026 : 4/14/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14385970 Ned In Atlanta said:
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But I can’t believe people are so against this. Do you guys realize how good he is? Put him on this team as currently constructed and we are already a playoff contender.

We have a ton of money coming the next few years even with a potential huge contract we would have to pay him.

He is not a good player. He’s a great player and will probably be so for a good 5-7 years at least.





It’s maddening. A legitimate HOF qb in his prime.


Didn’t we sign a HOF QB in his prime and piss it away with shitty OL and defenses?
RE: RE: RE: This is never happening  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/14/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14385982 dep026 said:
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But I can’t believe people are so against this. Do you guys realize how good he is? Put him on this team as currently constructed and we are already a playoff contender.

We have a ton of money coming the next few years even with a potential huge contract we would have to pay him.

He is not a good player. He’s a great player and will probably be so for a good 5-7 years at least.





It’s maddening. A legitimate HOF qb in his prime.



Didn’t we sign a HOF QB in his prime and piss it away with shitty OL and defenses?



We would be upgrading from the least elusive qb in the league to the most. We wouldn’t have to hear “he just needs an elite o line to play well!”
RE: AGREE BIG PASS  
Nine-Tails : 4/14/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14385966 Bluesbreaker said:
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No knock on Wilson but giving a huge contract to
him who will be 32 next year how many Quality years
does he have left . I don't feel he is a long term solution
I would rather draft the replacement or go after Rosen
I'm kinda on the fence with him but Eli has got two more
seasons at best he has a ton of miles on that arm .
We were blessed to have him what a Great clutch QB
Iron man and Class act in every sense of the word .
Two of the Best MVP super-bowls ever .


How many quality years left? You're saying Eli could play to 40, by that logic Wilson has eight years.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This is never happening  
dep026 : 4/14/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14385987 Ned In Atlanta said:
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We would be upgrading from the least elusive qb in the league to the most. We wouldn’t have to hear “he just needs an elite o line to play well!”


God are you the king of overreaction or just incapable of reading? No one said we needed an elite OLine on this board ever. Holy shit.
We need an elite o line  
idiotsavant : 4/14/2019 1:59 pm : link
Hahahaha
RE: RE: AGREE BIG PASS  
USAF NYG Fan : 4/14/2019 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14385997 Nine-Tails said:
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No knock on Wilson but giving a huge contract to
him who will be 32 next year how many Quality years
does he have left . I don't feel he is a long term solution
I would rather draft the replacement or go after Rosen
I'm kinda on the fence with him but Eli has got two more
seasons at best he has a ton of miles on that arm .
We were blessed to have him what a Great clutch QB
Iron man and Class act in every sense of the word .
Two of the Best MVP super-bowls ever .



How many quality years left? You're saying Eli could play to 40, by that logic Wilson has eight years.

For those that don't want to give up a lot of cap space AND a lot draft capital, I respect that. I share those concerns. That's a ton to give up when combined together. Taking a shot with a rookie starts to sound more appealing. However, those saying no to just one of those are crazy. At least read the follow-up posts to the OP. He wouldn't be the highest paid for more than a year and the draft picks are worth it to sign a known commodity that's an "ELITE" (yes ELITE) QB. However, combine the two together and it's a tougher sell. I completely respect that stance.

However, dear god I've said it once already on this thread and several other threads. Wilson just turned 30 last November. Barely 30. Not 31. Not 32. He won't turn 31 until the end of November which is most of the way through the next season.

In comparison to Eli Manning. Wilson started in the pros at age 24 and Eli started at age 23. Wilson has played in half the games Eli has but like Eli (except for that one infamous game), Wilson has never missed a game. Wilson has played 7 seasons and Eli has played 15 (again less than half). Wilson has been sacked on average 43 times a season to Eli Manning's 27 times a season. Both are as durable as you could possibly hope for in a QB.

If Wilson is signed this year or the next it will likely be for 4-5 years. Wilson will still be in his prime for those years and then he will still be good for 3-5 more years after that contract. AGE IS NOT A FACTOR IN THIS!
I  
AcidTest : 4/14/2019 2:41 pm : link
don't think he's even coming here next year.
RE: RE: RE: I like Wilson, but  
djm : 4/14/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14385799 section125 said:
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I'm not giving him $30 mill.



Well that settles it.

Ridiculous.



You want to pay him $30 mill?


If I didn’t have to trade a lot of resources for him? In a fucking heartbeat. He’s a terrific qb.

But we’d have to trade the sun moon and stars for Wilson and then pay him....if this was 2020 and the roster was deeper and better I’d do it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I like Wilson, but  
section125 : 4/14/2019 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14386105 djm said:
If I didn’t have to trade a lot of resources for him? In a fucking heartbeat. He’s a terrific qb.

But we’d have to trade the sun moon and stars for Wilson and then pay him....if this was 2020 and the roster was deeper and better I’d do it. [/quote]

This team has too many holes to spend that kind of money for one player.
Go for it!  
TD : 4/14/2019 3:13 pm : link
Cut Eli and use the money to pay for some of Wilson.

Retool with whatever remaining picks we have. Be aggressive in FA next year and go for gold.
RE: Go for it!  
Toth029 : 4/14/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14386148 TD said:
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Cut Eli and use the money to pay for some of Wilson.

Retool with whatever remaining picks we have. Be aggressive in FA next year and go for gold.

He's a FA in 2020. You want to blow up every pick and rely on FA?
RE: All I have heard the last 2-3 seasons  
ajr2456 : 4/14/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14385798 dep026 said:
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is how far we are away from competing. How we need to draft better. How we need to get better drafts and build through the draft...

Yet a lot of those same people want to give up all your premium picks plus sign a QB to a long term deal that will be at least 35 million per year for 5 years.

Just doesnt make any sense at all.

And love how people are saying playing Barkley will make him better.... he has had the best rush game offense in like 5 of his 7 years...lol.


Having Pro Bowl QB play makes competing a hell of a lot easier.
Would not they have to change the whole offense ...  
short lease : 4/14/2019 4:01 pm : link
to fit Wilson's style. He is not really a prototypical pocket passer?

Would he fit here?
RE: Mike from ohio  
Giants38 : 4/14/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14385728 jtgiants said:
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This team views itself as a team trying to win now. You may not believe it but they are not just saying it. They believe it


What's going to be fun is when this team falls flat on its face - and it will (I know you disagree with me on this) - to see just how long DG and Shurmur last. I don't think John Mara is particularly competent, so they'll probably get some time. But I'm going to laugh hysterically when this thing goes sideways and the entire organization finally realizes it has no choice but to rebuild. When that will happen? I don't know. I'm telling you, this team is no better than a 4 or 5 win team. The fact that they don't know it is alarming, but you can't stop stupid.
RE: RE: Mike from ohio  
eric2425ny : 4/14/2019 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14386204 Giants38 said:
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This team views itself as a team trying to win now. You may not believe it but they are not just saying it. They believe it



What's going to be fun is when this team falls flat on its face - and it will (I know you disagree with me on this) - to see just how long DG and Shurmur last. I don't think John Mara is particularly competent, so they'll probably get some time. But I'm going to laugh hysterically when this thing goes sideways and the entire organization finally realizes it has no choice but to rebuild. When that will happen? I don't know. I'm telling you, this team is no better than a 4 or 5 win team. The fact that they don't know it is alarming, but you can't stop stupid.


Why would you laugh hysterically to see our team fail? Great fan.
RE: RE: Mike from ohio  
section125 : 4/14/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14386204 Giants38 said:
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This team views itself as a team trying to win now. You may not believe it but they are not just saying it. They believe it



What's going to be fun is when this team falls flat on its face - and it will (I know you disagree with me on this) - to see just how long DG and Shurmur last. I don't think John Mara is particularly competent, so they'll probably get some time. But I'm going to laugh hysterically when this thing goes sideways and the entire organization finally realizes it has no choice but to rebuild. When that will happen? I don't know. I'm telling you, this team is no better than a 4 or 5 win team. The fact that they don't know it is alarming, but you can't stop stupid.


While I basically agree they will not win much this year unless they get a great draft and lucky in UDFA, your wishing for a bad season so that DG and PS appear to fail is pretty strange for a fan.
Why wouldn't the team try to compete this season? Why wouldn't you want them to compete? You appear to want them to be bad. Why is that?

RE: RE: RE: Mike from ohio  
eric2425ny : 4/14/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14386248 section125 said:
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In comment 14385728 jtgiants said:


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This team views itself as a team trying to win now. You may not believe it but they are not just saying it. They believe it



What's going to be fun is when this team falls flat on its face - and it will (I know you disagree with me on this) - to see just how long DG and Shurmur last. I don't think John Mara is particularly competent, so they'll probably get some time. But I'm going to laugh hysterically when this thing goes sideways and the entire organization finally realizes it has no choice but to rebuild. When that will happen? I don't know. I'm telling you, this team is no better than a 4 or 5 win team. The fact that they don't know it is alarming, but you can't stop stupid.



While I basically agree they will not win much this year unless they get a great draft and lucky in UDFA, your wishing for a bad season so that DG and PS appear to fail is pretty strange for a fan.
Why wouldn't the team try to compete this season? Why wouldn't you want them to compete? You appear to want them to be bad. Why is that?


He’s working hard to get his poster of the year trophy. This is right on cue with pretty much everything else he posts. All negativity, lots of drama.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Mike from ohio  
Giants38 : 4/14/2019 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14386277 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 14385728 jtgiants said:


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This team views itself as a team trying to win now. You may not believe it but they are not just saying it. They believe it



What's going to be fun is when this team falls flat on its face - and it will (I know you disagree with me on this) - to see just how long DG and Shurmur last. I don't think John Mara is particularly competent, so they'll probably get some time. But I'm going to laugh hysterically when this thing goes sideways and the entire organization finally realizes it has no choice but to rebuild. When that will happen? I don't know. I'm telling you, this team is no better than a 4 or 5 win team. The fact that they don't know it is alarming, but you can't stop stupid.



While I basically agree they will not win much this year unless they get a great draft and lucky in UDFA, your wishing for a bad season so that DG and PS appear to fail is pretty strange for a fan.
Why wouldn't the team try to compete this season? Why wouldn't you want them to compete? You appear to want them to be bad. Why is that?




He’s working hard to get his poster of the year trophy. This is right on cue with pretty much everything else he posts. All negativity, lots of drama.


Poster of the Year? Sweet. I'm in for that. Better to be awful than just mediocre. In fact, that goes for football as well, where you might as well tank and get the 1 pick, not try to go 9-7. But, hey, the Giants haven't picked that up.

And that's the funny part. According to JT, the Giants are not trying to "win-now". They are trying to win some games now. They don't even think they can win a Super Bowl. They just want to compete...for a playoff spot.

I'm not rooting for this team to fail. But until they start making the right moves, they are doomed to fail. And if Gettleman is going to act all smug about being right when he ignores our obvious QB problem, well, then I'm going to have that same reaction when I'm right about his decisions putting this franchise into an abysmal abyss.

So you can hate me, but my opinion is 100% valid. And if it makes me poster of the year because I don't blindly believe in Eli or foolishly think we can turn it around with no effort, well then that is what it will be. Let's see who's right after this season.
So we don’t wanna go 9-7  
dep026 : 4/14/2019 5:38 pm : link
Holy shitballs.
Gutting the next two drafts for a QB entering his 30’s  
Brown Recluse : 4/14/2019 5:50 pm : link
is ridiculous.

Great. Now that you have your QB for the next 5 to 8 years or so, the rest of your team is absolute shit because you gave away all your draft picks. Your cap situation is also shit because in order to make any improvements at all, you had to sign expensive free agents like Jerry Reese all over again since you cant draft anyone.

Great sensible plan.

The absurdity around here just never ends.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Mike from ohio  
section125 : 4/14/2019 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14386291 Giants38 said:
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So you can hate me, but my opinion is 100% valid. And if it makes me poster of the year because I don't blindly believe in Eli or foolishly think we can turn it around with no effort, well then that is what it will be. Let's see who's right after this season.


Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, so yes your opinion is 100% valid .......... to you, not for the rest of us.

And they won a Super Bowl with a 9-7 record, didn't they?

No effort, you mean like 16 players left from Jan 2018 roster. And they are not doing anything?

Also, nobody is blindly following Eli. 95% of the posters want a new QB. But competent QBs don't grow on vines and you cannot just get one that will consistently win games.

Let's see who will be right at the end of the season? What does that mean? Right about what? That they won't be in the playoffs? Why not wait until after the draft and before camp to see what the roster looks like?
RE: Would not they have to change the whole offense ...  
Giantz_comeback : 4/14/2019 6:07 pm : link
In comment 14386201 short lease said:
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to fit Wilson's style. He is not really a prototypical pocket passer?

Would he fit here?


Shurmur is somewhat multiple and adaptable but I think his preferred type is a mobile QB.
Back to the topic at hand  
USAF NYG Fan : 4/14/2019 6:40 pm : link
What does Phil Simms (and son) think about the Seahawks trading away Russell Wilson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pINwrNmsNc - ( New Window )
RE: RE: All I have heard the last 2-3 seasons  
JCin332 : 4/14/2019 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14386197 ajr2456 said:
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is how far we are away from competing. How we need to draft better. How we need to get better drafts and build through the draft...

Yet a lot of those same people want to give up all your premium picks plus sign a QB to a long term deal that will be at least 35 million per year for 5 years.

Just doesnt make any sense at all.

And love how people are saying playing Barkley will make him better.... he has had the best rush game offense in like 5 of his 7 years...lol.



Having Pro Bowl QB play makes competing a hell of a lot easier.


So does having top ranked defenses and rushing attacks...
RE: RE: RE: All I have heard the last 2-3 seasons  
ajr2456 : 4/14/2019 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14386377 JCin332 said:
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So does having top ranked defenses and rushing attacks...


One of those isn’t as true as you think it is.

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From 1997 through 2017, only 57.5% of playoff teams (145 of 252) had a positive team rush efficiency. The visual of rush efficiency for playoff teams shows a random scatter of points with both positive and negative values. A strong run game or stout rush defense has little effect in helping an NFL team win enough games to make the playoffs.

Moreover, running the football doesn’t suddenly become important in the playoffs. If it did, the teams with positive values of team rush efficiency would make the Super Bowl. Instead, only 26 of 42 Super Bowl teams from 1997 through 2017 had a positive rush efficiency value, a rate of 61.9%.

For example, Indianapolis won the Super Bowl after the 2006 season despite having the NFL’s worst team rush efficiency during the regular season. Green Bay ranked 31st out of 32 teams in rush efficiency during the 2010 regular season, but the Packers won the Super Bowl anyway.



Rushing Efficiency - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: All I have heard the last 2-3 seasons  
USAF NYG Fan : 4/14/2019 8:22 pm : link
In comment 14386391 ajr2456 said:
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So does having top ranked defenses and rushing attacks...



One of those isn’t as true as you think it is.



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From 1997 through 2017, only 57.5% of playoff teams (145 of 252) had a positive team rush efficiency. The visual of rush efficiency for playoff teams shows a random scatter of points with both positive and negative values. A strong run game or stout rush defense has little effect in helping an NFL team win enough games to make the playoffs.

Moreover, running the football doesn’t suddenly become important in the playoffs. If it did, the teams with positive values of team rush efficiency would make the Super Bowl. Instead, only 26 of 42 Super Bowl teams from 1997 through 2017 had a positive rush efficiency value, a rate of 61.9%.

For example, Indianapolis won the Super Bowl after the 2006 season despite having the NFL’s worst team rush efficiency during the regular season. Green Bay ranked 31st out of 32 teams in rush efficiency during the 2010 regular season, but the Packers won the Super Bowl anyway.


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Although the Giants defense is putrid right now I think they have one of the best rushing offenses in the league. The stats don't show it because the Giants didn't run the ball as much as they should have. I've already gone into this previously when someone made the same argument about having a good rushing offense and defense being equally important. They are just as important.

I don't disagree that both are important. However, I would be remiss if I didn't point out something. The Giants' had the 32nd ranked rushing offense and the 27th ranked defense the last year they won the Super Bowl. Both stepped it up during the playoffs but all the SB winning teams stepped it up in the playoffs because, well, that's what you have to do.
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Gatorade Dunk : 4/15/2019 6:49 am : link
In comment 14386391 ajr2456 said:
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So does having top ranked defenses and rushing attacks...



One of those isn’t as true as you think it is.



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From 1997 through 2017, only 57.5% of playoff teams (145 of 252) had a positive team rush efficiency. The visual of rush efficiency for playoff teams shows a random scatter of points with both positive and negative values. A strong run game or stout rush defense has little effect in helping an NFL team win enough games to make the playoffs.

Moreover, running the football doesn’t suddenly become important in the playoffs. If it did, the teams with positive values of team rush efficiency would make the Super Bowl. Instead, only 26 of 42 Super Bowl teams from 1997 through 2017 had a positive rush efficiency value, a rate of 61.9%.

For example, Indianapolis won the Super Bowl after the 2006 season despite having the NFL’s worst team rush efficiency during the regular season. Green Bay ranked 31st out of 32 teams in rush efficiency during the 2010 regular season, but the Packers won the Super Bowl anyway.


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Good luck with this one. JC will probably just accuse you of being an Eagles or Cowboys fan like he usually does when he disagrees with someone who is actually making a point.
RE: RE: Are the Jets ready to do it?  
montanagiant : 4/15/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14385602 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Because we are not dropping 50M on the QB position


How would it be $50M? $39M to RW in the first year of a contract? Seems reasonable.

Eli and his contract combined pushes it over 50M. If they wait a year then you take Eli's contract out of it
RW's agent  
JonC : 4/15/2019 11:35 am : link
has probably been the source of this, wonder if he and Colin Cowherd are regular.
There  
Jon in NYC : 4/15/2019 11:39 am : link
just isn't a clear path to Russell joining the Giants unless he demands it. He can be franchized the next two years after this one, and we can't afford to wait that long.
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ajr2456 : 4/15/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14387045 Jon in NYC said:
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just isn't a clear path to Russell joining the Giants unless he demands it. He can be franchized the next two years after this one, and we can't afford to wait that long.


The union really needs to push hard to change the franchise tag in the next CBA. The fact a 30 year old player can be prevented from truly hitting FA isn’t a great model for the players.
RE: RE: RE: Are the Jets ready to do it?  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/15/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14387018 montanagiant said:
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Because we are not dropping 50M on the QB position


How would it be $50M? $39M to RW in the first year of a contract? Seems reasonable.


Eli and his contract combined pushes it over 50M. If they wait a year then you take Eli's contract out of it

But you're not keeping Eli at full price if you acquire Wilson. In this fictional scenario, Eli is almost certainly released (or traded with his consent, I suppose) the moment the Giants trade for Wilson. With that in mind, Eli only costs $11.2MM this year if the Giants were to trade for Wilson this offseason.

So I ask again, how do you arrive at $50MM combined? You're not keeping both, are you?
By the way  
ron mexico : 4/15/2019 1:12 pm : link
What's honey badgers connection to Wilson?
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