then I truly hope some other things fall into place to increase the chances of the Giants going after Wilson. It doesn't mean it will not happen if those things don't happen first but I would feel a lot better about it. I seem to be one of the few that really want them to go after Wilson too. We all asked the question is there any QB that could overcome the Giants' terrible OL the last 5 years. I thought about it and only come up with Wilson. Brady, Rogers, Brees etc would have struggled nearly as bad as Eli IMHO. Wilson is the only QB I feel could still have gotten the Giants' into the playoffs. That being said, as I have previously mentioned, I would still like to see some other things fall into place first.
1. The Giants would have to pass on all the QBs in this year's draft first. There is no point in going after Wilson if you grab any of the top 5 QBs coming out of college this year. That would be the KC model after all. However, if they don't grab a QB then you don't have to extend Eli for a rookie to learn from. Grabbing a veteran of Wilson's caliber is the only other option there.
2. Giants really need to do well in this draft. Sure they have 12 picks but it's not like they are all high picks. There are a lot of holes and I don't think any QB can overcome such a poor defense. The defense needs a stud run defender in the middle and a stud pass rusher to get after the QB. Get this defense to at least average and a dominant run-first offense can take the league by storm.
3. Wilson really will have to want to leave Seattle AND want to come to NY. It's possible the Seahawks could just let him walk next season but that's highly unlikely. Wilson would have to make it clear to Seattle he wants out of Seattle. Seahawks could let him go out of respect and do not want a disgruntled QB. Hell of a reach. WILSON WILL GET HIS! Believe that but Seahawks want to get something out it too. Neither the Seahawks or the Giants have much money to play with this year but he's already under contract with Seahawks this year. Next year both the Giants and Seahawks have a lot more money to play with. However, the Seahawks have substantially more. They will franchise him with either the exclusive or non-exclusive tag to secure his rights. Hopefully, it's the exclusive tag so the Giants could possibly make a deal for less than 2 first rounders.
- Exclusive Tag: Seahawks would hold all the cards. Giants' would have to want Wilson as bad as he wants NY (if that's truly what he wants) because only the Seahawks can negotiate. Wilson doesn't have any say in it.
- Non-Exclusive Tag: Seattle would give Wilson (and his people) the right to negotiate with another team and sign an offer sheet. Said team would have to have to be willing to give 2 first round picks to sign him. This would likely be the highest (or very close) contract for a QB in the league. The reason is it has to be high enough that Seattle doesn't want to match it. However, it would also cost 2 first rounders so that's a lot to give up.
If all of that falls into place, I'd love it if they went after Wilson. If not (more likely), I think they go after a QB next year in the draft and maybe sell the farm to trade up and get him as well. In that scenario, Eli probably gets extended as well. Sure they give up prime draft picks to move up just like they would with Wilson but they will also get a much cheaper QB in the process. Unfortunately, he wouldn't be as sure a thing as Wilson.
A 4th. Pete Carroll wants to start over with a rookie Â
I'm not counting on Rosen. Doubt the Giants will pay what the Cards want in draft picks for Rosen and I doubt the Giants would pay what the Seahawks want in a trade and be willing to take on that salary.
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Wilson coming to the Gmen will be on the table next off season.
But not at the richest contract ever, just don't see that angle going down.
I would have no problem giving RW the biggest contract ever just like I didn't have a problem when we did it for Eli
Wilson is already 31, right? Next year he'll be 32. Giving him a big contract like Eli's and we'll be right back where we are right now in a couple years. An aging QB with a big salary hit, which will handcuff us again for a few years.
Something reasonable whatever that may be, Yes . Long term
... NO!
Seattle was great when they were paying all the other players and had him on a cost controlled salary.
The reason they aren't great anymore isn't because of Wilson's contract. It's because the Seahawks GM has been bad at his job. Since 2013 they've only drafted in the 1st round twice. Germain Ifedi & Rashaad Penny.
Here are there picks in the first 3 rounds since 2016 and their PFF grades.
Germain Ifedi 55.2
Jarran Reed 69.2
CJ Prosise 54.6
Nick Vannett 63.3
Rees Odhiambo was cut after 15 games
Malik McDowell never played a game
Ethan Pocic 45.9
Shaq Griffin 50.7
Delano Hill 62.1
Nazair Jones 56.8
Amara Darboh 8 career catches
Rashaad Penny 63.8
Rasheem Green 46.5
So they've drafted all these bad players. Yet they are still 29-18-1 the last 3 years. Without Russ they are probably a 3-4 win team.
Wilson coming to the Gmen will be on the table next off season.
But not at the richest contract ever, just don't see that angle going down.
I would have no problem giving RW the biggest contract ever just like I didn't have a problem when we did it for Eli
I'm not opposed to signing a market rate contract. But giving up the draft collateral (2 first round picks) for the privilege of paying that contract is a big No for me. Currently Rodgers is at the top. Wilson will eclipse that benchmark and will require $34M/yr.
Good QB, but he's a mobile QB on the other side of 30. That's a bad investment.
Because he's fucking awesome? He's a Top 5 QB in the NFL.
Russ isn't a running QB. He's a pocket passer who can move. He's easily got 5 years left in him. More then likely he'll be playing for another 7-9 years.
Wilson coming to the Gmen will be on the table next off season.
But not at the richest contract ever, just don't see that angle going down.
I would have no problem giving RW the biggest contract ever just like I didn't have a problem when we did it for Eli
I'm not opposed to signing a market rate contract. But giving up the draft collateral (2 first round picks) for the privilege of paying that contract is a big No for me. Currently Rodgers is at the top. Wilson will eclipse that benchmark and will require $34M/yr.
It all depends on the picks used. If they can get him for 17 overall and a 2020 first rounder I'd do it. I wouldn't give up the 6th pick.
I'd much rather give up those two picks for Russ then draft Daniel Jones at 17 and keep our 2020 first rounder.
About this. Paying him 35+ million plus at least 2-3 premium draft picks is just dumb. Seattle isn’t going to give him away for nothing. Plus, they will have 2 years after this year to franchise him as well.
By the time you have a chance for him, he will be 33-34 years old and that’s not a smart rebuilding plan.
About this. Paying him 35+ million plus at least 2-3 premium draft picks is just dumb. Seattle isn’t going to give him away for nothing. Plus, they will have 2 years after this year to franchise him as well.
By the time you have a chance for him, he will be 33-34 years old and that’s not a smart rebuilding plan.
I have no problem paying him the money because in two years that will be an average contract for a top QB. My issue is giving up the compensation you referenced.
gives him more leverage in negotiations IMO. Even if these rumors were true, I don’t see the Giants, especially DG, hamstringing the Giants with another huge salary right now. Build the team, get yourself a young aspiring QB with a low cap hit and continue to build the team.
this team is rebuilding. They will add vets like Tate and others to provide leadership and experience, and yes they want to win games, but this is rebuilding.
Toward that end, you rebuild with a you d QB with potential who is cost controlled, not a veteran who eats up much of your cap space. That allows you the freedom to plug holes with vets as you look to correct longer term through the draft. Every team will have draft picks that bust and injuries that need to be patched.
If this team was about winning now, Wilson makes a ton of sense as he is an elite QB and will be for several more years. He is just not the right player for where this team is now.
This is becoming like the Odell situation. Keeps coming up and everyone keeps laughing about it until the shoe actually drops randomly one day
Well the Odell thing was beaten to death for a long time. I think the biggest issue with this trade scenario for Wilson is what we do with Eli immediately after the trade. Wilson obviously becomes the starter immediately. I just dont see this happening.
It makes no sense for the Giants, with their various holes/problems, to give up multiple valuable assets in a trade and pay Wilson max money.
His contract is Seattle’s problem.
No it's not. Their problem is the GM has done a horrible job for the 3 years. Their draft picks are listed above. They aren't good.
Their cap space isn't good, but that really isn't due to Russ. It's more the rest of the team.
Frank Clark has a 17 million dollar cap hit. He's worth big money, but it should be a long term deal.
Doug Baldwin had 500 yards in 13 games last year. He has a 13.1 million dollar cap hit.
Kam Chancellor retired and has a 12.5 million dollar hit.
Justin Britt was PFF 29th ranked Center with an 8 million dollar cap hit.
Barkevious Mingo has 10 sacks in 6 seasons with a 5 million dollar hit.
Ed Dickson is a good blocking TE, but he averages 240 yards and 1.7 TDs a year for his career with a 4.5 million dollar hit.
That's 60 million tied up into 1 very good player, 1 above average, 1 retired player and 3 below average players. That's the Seahawks problem. Not Russ. Yet they're still 29-18-1 over the last 3 years. With 2 playoff appearances and 1 playoff win. In 2016 they lost to a very good Falcons team that should have won the Super Bowl.
But I can’t believe people are so against this. Do you guys realize how good he is? Put him on this team as currently constructed and we are already a playoff contender.
We have a ton of money coming the next few years even with a potential huge contract we would have to pay him.
He is not a good player. He’s a great player and will probably be so for a good 5-7 years at least.
But I can’t believe people are so against this. Do you guys realize how good he is? Put him on this team as currently constructed and we are already a playoff contender.
We have a ton of money coming the next few years even with a potential huge contract we would have to pay him.
He is not a good player. He’s a great player and will probably be so for a good 5-7 years at least.
This.
I’d give up 6, 17 and 37 right now for him.
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Wilson is already 31, right? Next year he'll be 32. Giving him a big contract like Eli's and we'll be right back where we are right now in a couple years. An aging QB with a big salary hit, which will handcuff us again for a few years.
Something reasonable whatever that may be, Yes . Long term
... NO!
Sorry but this is not a justification as it's a whole lot of wrong.
First, Wilson is 30 and turns 31 in late November
Born: November 29, 1988 (age 30)
Second, a couple years? Eli started this last contract at age 34. It was for 5 years thus making him start the final year on this contract at age 38 (he will turn 39 season's end). Wilson on a 5 contract (next year) would start the season under a new contract at age 31 and if the contract also for 5 years, would start the final year of his contract at age 35. Those are all still prime years for a QB of his caliber.
There are good reasons to go another direction but Wilson's age is not one of them.
I'll keep posting this as well as I have done now in several threads. So many here keep wanting/expecting a great player but don't want to pay for him. It's hard enough to find a franchise worthy QB (or any player) in the draft but one that will come out of the gate the best in the game with sustainability is even more rare.
Only 2 QBs in the last 15 years made it to the show and won on their rookie deal. Roethlisberger and Wilson (Ironically). Both had a good supporting cast and DID NOT do it on their own. Hell Roethlisberger's first SB win is regarded as one of the worst QB performances ever by a QB in a SB. Steelers won despite the QB's performance, not because of it.
-Brown's (Mayfield) finished 7-8
--From 1999 through week 4 of the 2018 season, the team had 30 different players start at quarterback.
-Chief's (Mahommes) finished 12-4.
--They already had a great team before the year they drafted him. Won their division at 10-4 the previous year while sitting Mahommes to learn from Alex Smith. Now he only has 2 cheap years left before the 5th year option. The 5th year option IS NOT cheap. They will pay the man before then.
-Stopping here but it can continue with every other starting QB in the league.
I'll end with this. Everyone is concerned with making a QB the highest paid and claiming it's not worth it. Nobody seems to notice that they only top that list in the first year or two. Maybe more for a player like Rogers that always demands a re-work when he's out of the top 5. Let's look at those yearly averages with an extra focus on Roethlisberger, Eli, and Rivers as measuring sticks (drafted together and often compared with each other). I'll also specify Wilson since he also re-signed his contract in 2015.
By average yearly salary:
2015 (when Eli signed his last deal)
Rogers was 1st
Wilson was 2nd
Roethlisberger was 3rd
Manning was 4th (Contrary to popular belief, not the highest paid QB in the league)
Rivers was 5th
2016
In order; Luck, Palmer, Brees, and Flacco jumped ahead of them
Wilson was 6th (already out of the top 5 after just 1 year)
Roethlisberger was 7th
Manning was 8th (already out of the top 5 after just 1 year)
Rivers was 9th
2017
In order; Stafford and Carr joined in the mix to be 1st and 2nd. Cousins jumped in the middle as the 6th highest that year.
Wilson was 9th
Roethlisberger was 10th
Manning was 11th (Out of the top 10 after 2 years)
Rivers was 12th
2018
In order: Rogers moves back to #1. Ryan gets a new deal for 2nd. Cousins moves up to 3rd. Garoppolo enters the fray at 4th. Alex Smith jumps in the middle at 9th.
Wilson was 11th (Out of the top 10 after 3 years)
Roethlisberger was 12th
Manning was 13th
Rivers was 14th
So in conclusion, it's not the money I am concerned with either. That whole #1 paid thing is overblown and changes very fast. Let's not forget as well that the Giants are currently estimated to have $80M in cap space next year.
trade and don’t look back. He’s got at least 5 pro bowl years left in him. Imagine an offense with Wilson, Barkley, Tate, Shepard, Engram. And more importantly a solid offensive line.
The $$ aspect is overblown. Every year a new QB becomes the highest paid. That’s what happens when you have a rising salary cap.
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Wilson coming to the Gmen will be on the table next off season.
But not at the richest contract ever, just don't see that angle going down.
If and when Wilson signs a FA contract with Seattle or anyone it’s going to be the richest contract ever. You better make peace with that.
And he's worth every penny. The Seahawks roster sucks. Especially on offense. The Giants have better are better at RB, WR, TE and OL. They have a better defense then us as of right now, but we have 12 draft picks and they have 4. Also I believe we will sign guys after May 8th. That's when UFAs aren't counted in the compensatory formula. So come June 1st I think the defenses will be much closer.
They honestly haven't drafted well since 2012 (Look it up). Their free agent signings have been bad. Yet the last 3 years they are 29-18-1 with 2 playoff appearances.
at a high level for 5 more years. It's worth considering, but I wouldn't be inclined to give up our first 3 picks this year either. I doubt DG would do that; It's pretty obvious what DG is doing, he is stockpiling picks to find his own guys.
Maybe some combo involving 17 and future picks, but Seattle is going to want 6.
but there is smoke and it does seem to keep building up.
I know Seattle doesn't usually work the contract this early but it still seems unusual given the timeline Wilson gave them. Are they trying to make a point by holding off? Are they heavily considering other options? Is, perhaps, Wilson pushing back because he wants out? Could there already be some kind of a deal being worked out that involves the Giants? It's just odd that they haven't re-signed him yet.
Source Spotrac.com: Seattle shows a little less than $3M in cap space for 2019 but around $85M for 2020. Giants show around $4.7M for 2019 but around $74M for 2020.
Seattle saves trading Wilson now: $17M
Giants savings if cutting Eli: $12M
Giants are clearly short of even being able to pay him on his final year as it currently stands. They would have to adjust some contracts (Zeitler still hasn't been re-worked) and probably sign him to a new contract soonest and backload some of the money. I suppose the loss of high draft picks from the Giants would save a little money when they spend on their draft picks as well.
It would be tough to do for this season. I'm thinking it's a real possibility in 2020 if Seattle doesn't re-sign him earlier. So the options for 2020 now look like Wilson, Tua, Fromm, and maybe Herbert for 2020. Who's got more upside? Which will cost less in cap space? Which will cost less in draft capital? Risk vs reward? I'm liking the options better for next year than this year more and more.
But I can’t believe people are so against this. Do you guys realize how good he is? Put him on this team as currently constructed and we are already a playoff contender.
We have a ton of money coming the next few years even with a potential huge contract we would have to pay him.
He is not a good player. He’s a great player and will probably be so for a good 5-7 years at least.
It’s mostly about dollars and what we’d have to give up for him that is concerning, at least to me. No question, a great player
But if he truly wants to be here maybe he takes a deal that’s fair to both sides. He’ll get paid either way but maybe not necessarily the highest contract in league history.
This team views itself as a team trying to win now. You may not believe it but they are not just saying it. They believe it
If that is not just lip service, then they should be all in on Wilson if he is available. I think it would be hard to find many people- except maybe within the Giants organization - who believe Wilson would not be a significant upgrade to Eli at this point.
But not at the richest contract ever, just don't see that angle going down.
But not at the richest contract ever, just don't see that angle going down.
I would have no problem giving RW the biggest contract ever just like I didn't have a problem when we did it for Eli
1. The Giants would have to pass on all the QBs in this year's draft first. There is no point in going after Wilson if you grab any of the top 5 QBs coming out of college this year. That would be the KC model after all. However, if they don't grab a QB then you don't have to extend Eli for a rookie to learn from. Grabbing a veteran of Wilson's caliber is the only other option there.
2. Giants really need to do well in this draft. Sure they have 12 picks but it's not like they are all high picks. There are a lot of holes and I don't think any QB can overcome such a poor defense. The defense needs a stud run defender in the middle and a stud pass rusher to get after the QB. Get this defense to at least average and a dominant run-first offense can take the league by storm.
3. Wilson really will have to want to leave Seattle AND want to come to NY. It's possible the Seahawks could just let him walk next season but that's highly unlikely. Wilson would have to make it clear to Seattle he wants out of Seattle. Seahawks could let him go out of respect and do not want a disgruntled QB. Hell of a reach. WILSON WILL GET HIS! Believe that but Seahawks want to get something out it too. Neither the Seahawks or the Giants have much money to play with this year but he's already under contract with Seahawks this year. Next year both the Giants and Seahawks have a lot more money to play with. However, the Seahawks have substantially more. They will franchise him with either the exclusive or non-exclusive tag to secure his rights. Hopefully, it's the exclusive tag so the Giants could possibly make a deal for less than 2 first rounders.
- Exclusive Tag: Seahawks would hold all the cards. Giants' would have to want Wilson as bad as he wants NY (if that's truly what he wants) because only the Seahawks can negotiate. Wilson doesn't have any say in it.
- Non-Exclusive Tag: Seattle would give Wilson (and his people) the right to negotiate with another team and sign an offer sheet. Said team would have to have to be willing to give 2 first round picks to sign him. This would likely be the highest (or very close) contract for a QB in the league. The reason is it has to be high enough that Seattle doesn't want to match it. However, it would also cost 2 first rounders so that's a lot to give up.
If all of that falls into place, I'd love it if they went after Wilson. If not (more likely), I think they go after a QB next year in the draft and maybe sell the farm to trade up and get him as well. In that scenario, Eli probably gets extended as well. Sure they give up prime draft picks to move up just like they would with Wilson but they will also get a much cheaper QB in the process. Unfortunately, he wouldn't be as sure a thing as Wilson.
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Wilson coming to the Gmen will be on the table next off season.
But not at the richest contract ever, just don't see that angle going down.
I would have no problem giving RW the biggest contract ever just like I didn't have a problem when we did it for Eli
Wilson is already 31, right? Next year he'll be 32. Giving him a big contract like Eli's and we'll be right back where we are right now in a couple years. An aging QB with a big salary hit, which will handcuff us again for a few years.
Something reasonable whatever that may be, Yes . Long term
... NO!
The reason they aren't great anymore isn't because of Wilson's contract. It's because the Seahawks GM has been bad at his job. Since 2013 they've only drafted in the 1st round twice. Germain Ifedi & Rashaad Penny.
Here are there picks in the first 3 rounds since 2016 and their PFF grades.
Germain Ifedi 55.2
Jarran Reed 69.2
CJ Prosise 54.6
Nick Vannett 63.3
Rees Odhiambo was cut after 15 games
Malik McDowell never played a game
Ethan Pocic 45.9
Shaq Griffin 50.7
Delano Hill 62.1
Nazair Jones 56.8
Amara Darboh 8 career catches
Rashaad Penny 63.8
Rasheem Green 46.5
So they've drafted all these bad players. Yet they are still 29-18-1 the last 3 years. Without Russ they are probably a 3-4 win team.
How would it be $50M? $39M to RW in the first year of a contract? Seems reasonable.
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Wilson coming to the Gmen will be on the table next off season.
But not at the richest contract ever, just don't see that angle going down.
I would have no problem giving RW the biggest contract ever just like I didn't have a problem when we did it for Eli
I'm not opposed to signing a market rate contract. But giving up the draft collateral (2 first round picks) for the privilege of paying that contract is a big No for me. Currently Rodgers is at the top. Wilson will eclipse that benchmark and will require $34M/yr.
Because he's fucking awesome? He's a Top 5 QB in the NFL.
Russ isn't a running QB. He's a pocket passer who can move. He's easily got 5 years left in him. More then likely he'll be playing for another 7-9 years.
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Wilson coming to the Gmen will be on the table next off season.
But not at the richest contract ever, just don't see that angle going down.
I would have no problem giving RW the biggest contract ever just like I didn't have a problem when we did it for Eli
I'm not opposed to signing a market rate contract. But giving up the draft collateral (2 first round picks) for the privilege of paying that contract is a big No for me. Currently Rodgers is at the top. Wilson will eclipse that benchmark and will require $34M/yr.
It all depends on the picks used. If they can get him for 17 overall and a 2020 first rounder I'd do it. I wouldn't give up the 6th pick.
I'd much rather give up those two picks for Russ then draft Daniel Jones at 17 and keep our 2020 first rounder.
By the time you have a chance for him, he will be 33-34 years old and that’s not a smart rebuilding plan.
His contract is Seattle’s problem.
Or maybe we are just trying to win now??
this is all so confusing, we need another DG press conference...
By the time you have a chance for him, he will be 33-34 years old and that’s not a smart rebuilding plan.
I have no problem paying him the money because in two years that will be an average contract for a top QB. My issue is giving up the compensation you referenced.
Toward that end, you rebuild with a you d QB with potential who is cost controlled, not a veteran who eats up much of your cap space. That allows you the freedom to plug holes with vets as you look to correct longer term through the draft. Every team will have draft picks that bust and injuries that need to be patched.
If this team was about winning now, Wilson makes a ton of sense as he is an elite QB and will be for several more years. He is just not the right player for where this team is now.
Well the Odell thing was beaten to death for a long time. I think the biggest issue with this trade scenario for Wilson is what we do with Eli immediately after the trade. Wilson obviously becomes the starter immediately. I just dont see this happening.
His contract is Seattle’s problem.
No it's not. Their problem is the GM has done a horrible job for the 3 years. Their draft picks are listed above. They aren't good.
Their cap space isn't good, but that really isn't due to Russ. It's more the rest of the team.
Frank Clark has a 17 million dollar cap hit. He's worth big money, but it should be a long term deal.
Doug Baldwin had 500 yards in 13 games last year. He has a 13.1 million dollar cap hit.
Kam Chancellor retired and has a 12.5 million dollar hit.
Justin Britt was PFF 29th ranked Center with an 8 million dollar cap hit.
Barkevious Mingo has 10 sacks in 6 seasons with a 5 million dollar hit.
Ed Dickson is a good blocking TE, but he averages 240 yards and 1.7 TDs a year for his career with a 4.5 million dollar hit.
That's 60 million tied up into 1 very good player, 1 above average, 1 retired player and 3 below average players. That's the Seahawks problem. Not Russ. Yet they're still 29-18-1 over the last 3 years. With 2 playoff appearances and 1 playoff win. In 2016 they lost to a very good Falcons team that should have won the Super Bowl.
We have a ton of money coming the next few years even with a potential huge contract we would have to pay him.
He is not a good player. He’s a great player and will probably be so for a good 5-7 years at least.
We have a ton of money coming the next few years even with a potential huge contract we would have to pay him.
He is not a good player. He’s a great player and will probably be so for a good 5-7 years at least.
This.
I’d give up 6, 17 and 37 right now for him.
Wilson is already 31, right? Next year he'll be 32. Giving him a big contract like Eli's and we'll be right back where we are right now in a couple years. An aging QB with a big salary hit, which will handcuff us again for a few years.
Something reasonable whatever that may be, Yes . Long term
... NO!
Sorry but this is not a justification as it's a whole lot of wrong.
First, Wilson is 30 and turns 31 in late November
Born: November 29, 1988 (age 30)
Second, a couple years? Eli started this last contract at age 34. It was for 5 years thus making him start the final year on this contract at age 38 (he will turn 39 season's end). Wilson on a 5 contract (next year) would start the season under a new contract at age 31 and if the contract also for 5 years, would start the final year of his contract at age 35. Those are all still prime years for a QB of his caliber.
There are good reasons to go another direction but Wilson's age is not one of them.
I'll keep posting this as well as I have done now in several threads. So many here keep wanting/expecting a great player but don't want to pay for him. It's hard enough to find a franchise worthy QB (or any player) in the draft but one that will come out of the gate the best in the game with sustainability is even more rare.
Only 2 QBs in the last 15 years made it to the show and won on their rookie deal. Roethlisberger and Wilson (Ironically). Both had a good supporting cast and DID NOT do it on their own. Hell Roethlisberger's first SB win is regarded as one of the worst QB performances ever by a QB in a SB. Steelers won despite the QB's performance, not because of it.
-Brown's (Mayfield) finished 7-8
--From 1999 through week 4 of the 2018 season, the team had 30 different players start at quarterback.
-Chief's (Mahommes) finished 12-4.
--They already had a great team before the year they drafted him. Won their division at 10-4 the previous year while sitting Mahommes to learn from Alex Smith. Now he only has 2 cheap years left before the 5th year option. The 5th year option IS NOT cheap. They will pay the man before then.
-Stopping here but it can continue with every other starting QB in the league.
I'll end with this. Everyone is concerned with making a QB the highest paid and claiming it's not worth it. Nobody seems to notice that they only top that list in the first year or two. Maybe more for a player like Rogers that always demands a re-work when he's out of the top 5. Let's look at those yearly averages with an extra focus on Roethlisberger, Eli, and Rivers as measuring sticks (drafted together and often compared with each other). I'll also specify Wilson since he also re-signed his contract in 2015.
By average yearly salary:
2015 (when Eli signed his last deal)
Rogers was 1st
Wilson was 2nd
Roethlisberger was 3rd
Manning was 4th (Contrary to popular belief, not the highest paid QB in the league)
Rivers was 5th
2016
In order; Luck, Palmer, Brees, and Flacco jumped ahead of them
Wilson was 6th (already out of the top 5 after just 1 year)
Roethlisberger was 7th
Manning was 8th (already out of the top 5 after just 1 year)
Rivers was 9th
2017
In order; Stafford and Carr joined in the mix to be 1st and 2nd. Cousins jumped in the middle as the 6th highest that year.
Wilson was 9th
Roethlisberger was 10th
Manning was 11th (Out of the top 10 after 2 years)
Rivers was 12th
2018
In order: Rogers moves back to #1. Ryan gets a new deal for 2nd. Cousins moves up to 3rd. Garoppolo enters the fray at 4th. Alex Smith jumps in the middle at 9th.
Wilson was 11th (Out of the top 10 after 3 years)
Roethlisberger was 12th
Manning was 13th
Rivers was 14th
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2018/average/quarterback/
So in conclusion, it's not the money I am concerned with either. That whole #1 paid thing is overblown and changes very fast. Let's not forget as well that the Giants are currently estimated to have $80M in cap space next year.
He will most likely be tagged.
But not at the richest contract ever, just don't see that angle going down.
If and when Wilson signs a FA contract with Seattle or anyone it’s going to be the richest contract ever. You better make peace with that.
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.. qb “dilemma” turns laughable. World keeps spinning.
He will most likely be tagged.
Oh. Well.... never mind then?
The $$ aspect is overblown. Every year a new QB becomes the highest paid. That’s what happens when you have a rising salary cap.
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Wilson coming to the Gmen will be on the table next off season.
But not at the richest contract ever, just don't see that angle going down.
If and when Wilson signs a FA contract with Seattle or anyone it’s going to be the richest contract ever. You better make peace with that.
And he's worth every penny. The Seahawks roster sucks. Especially on offense. The Giants have better are better at RB, WR, TE and OL. They have a better defense then us as of right now, but we have 12 draft picks and they have 4. Also I believe we will sign guys after May 8th. That's when UFAs aren't counted in the compensatory formula. So come June 1st I think the defenses will be much closer.
They honestly haven't drafted well since 2012 (Look it up). Their free agent signings have been bad. Yet the last 3 years they are 29-18-1 with 2 playoff appearances.
Maybe some combo involving 17 and future picks, but Seattle is going to want 6.
I know Seattle doesn't usually work the contract this early but it still seems unusual given the timeline Wilson gave them. Are they trying to make a point by holding off? Are they heavily considering other options? Is, perhaps, Wilson pushing back because he wants out? Could there already be some kind of a deal being worked out that involves the Giants? It's just odd that they haven't re-signed him yet.
Source Spotrac.com: Seattle shows a little less than $3M in cap space for 2019 but around $85M for 2020. Giants show around $4.7M for 2019 but around $74M for 2020.
Seattle saves trading Wilson now: $17M
Giants savings if cutting Eli: $12M
Giants are clearly short of even being able to pay him on his final year as it currently stands. They would have to adjust some contracts (Zeitler still hasn't been re-worked) and probably sign him to a new contract soonest and backload some of the money. I suppose the loss of high draft picks from the Giants would save a little money when they spend on their draft picks as well.
It would be tough to do for this season. I'm thinking it's a real possibility in 2020 if Seattle doesn't re-sign him earlier. So the options for 2020 now look like Wilson, Tua, Fromm, and maybe Herbert for 2020. Who's got more upside? Which will cost less in cap space? Which will cost less in draft capital? Risk vs reward? I'm liking the options better for next year than this year more and more.
We have a ton of money coming the next few years even with a potential huge contract we would have to pay him.
He is not a good player. He’s a great player and will probably be so for a good 5-7 years at least.
It’s mostly about dollars and what we’d have to give up for him that is concerning, at least to me. No question, a great player
In their two SB appearances Seattle was #1 in overall and scoring defense...not to mention #4 and #1 in rushing respectively...
Further illustrating football is the ultimate team game and even great QB's need a good team around them...
Would certainly fit the “win now” narrative
But would mean Eli gone
I don’t see how this would happen IMO
Playing with Barkley would be fun for him.
If that is not just lip service, then they should be all in on Wilson if he is available. I think it would be hard to find many people- except maybe within the Giants organization - who believe Wilson would not be a significant upgrade to Eli at this point.