effect Molinari as much. he is such a tacticion. Fairway, green, put. He will make a couple birdes but hes really always tapping in for par. Bogey free in th open last year was incredible now only 1 so far this week. He just doesnt give back strokes. Finau is so streaky but think he could be held in check with worse conditions.
Tiger could throw a wrench in but he has to shoot -4 or better as I would count on molinari shooting under par today
After that bad tee shot at 2. IMO, he seems to take a little bit to get going and is better later in the round, at least this week. He needs to keep pace in the mean time and still only two back is doable.
I don't think Molinari is going to "lose" this, someone is going to have to score low and take it from him and win it.
Molinari with a 3 shot lead. Some guys will need to step it up.
This is why I expect him to win. Molinari hits an awful drive on #5 and makes 4. Tiger hits a smart drive and bogeys. Molinari seems best able to make the least amount of mistakes and has already saved par with two great putts.
Molinari with a 3 shot lead. Some guys will need to step it up.
This is why I expect him to win. Molinari hits an awful drive on #5 and makes 4. Tiger hits a smart drive and bogeys. Molinari seems best able to make the least amount of mistakes and has already saved par with two great putts.
And I jinx him on #6.
Molinari has also now been saved a couple of times by his bad shots hitting spectators, saving him from worse lies
The way he was playing I didn't think there was any way he would gag this away. Thought for sure someone would have to play lights out and take it from him.
I'm not an idiot. I just can't stand him. I think he's a jackass of the highest order.
No problem with that and I know you're not the only one. We all have guys in sports we can't stand, but it's good to know we can all appreciate greatness when we see it.
what specifically about Tiger do you have an issue with?
Well, clearly it has to be the cursing. Tiger is obviously the only golfer that curses and gets frustrated and it’s off-putting in the gentleman’s game 😜
what specifically about Tiger do you have an issue with?
I don't think I'm alone in reading and seeing stories about him being a complete POS. I feel the same about Jordan. I respect them both as all time greats, but never would root for them in any situation.
what specifically about Tiger do you have an issue with?
I don't think I'm alone in reading and seeing stories about him being a complete POS. I feel the same about Jordan. I respect them both as all time greats, but never would root for them in any situation.
I don't think I'm alone in reading and seeing stories about him being a complete POS. I feel the same about Jordan. I respect them both as all time greats, but never would root for them in any situation.
You can do that with plenty of sports guys. Phil is FIGJAM by some. McIlroy a lush. Kuchar a cheap bastid...Reed is a total a$$hole. DJ is a cokehead..
These guys are not saints and should not be expected to be one.
But there is a reason for chocolate and vanilla ice cream.
He earned it. First major he's won that he didn't lead going into last round. He had a spell on the front where he was hitting his drives into the trees, but on most of them he didn't really get punished. He avoided the costly mistakes that the other guys made on the back.
thing about sports is how it turns on a dime. How underdogs become champions, how villains can become heroes and how redemption happens.
I rarely pulled for Tiger, even when he was in his prime, but watching him today started to bring back memories of Nicklaus winning when I thought he was ancient.
As the field hit about hole 7, I started hoping tiger would win. Why? Couldn't really tell you. When I don't have a dog in the fight, sometimes I just want to be entertained.
I certainly was today.
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To me (and I’m a lover) a great moment was the 3 second clip after the green jacket presentation when Joey was opening his yardage book and you saw the big Giants NY on the cover. Maybe he’s on BBI?
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is the amount of business this will bring my way. No one drives more people into a golf shop than Tiger. Can’t wait to open the doors tomorrow morning. I’m betting that red mock will be sold out by noon tomorrow!
is the amount of business this will bring my way. No one drives more people into a golf shop than Tiger. Can’t wait to open the doors tomorrow morning. I’m betting that red mock will be sold out by noon tomorrow!
At least he isn't playing those shitty Nike clubs and balls anymore. Gosh those Nike TW balls were like hitting rocks..
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for American golfers, without having just one favorite.
If I had to pick, I'm always pulling for Rickie Fowler to win. Just seems like a good dude from what I've read.
but I've liked Tiger since his broke on to the scene in the mid-90's. I also like Phil though, so maybe I'm just not hard core enough fan to only pick one or the other. Not sure if liking those two is akin to liking the Yankees and Red Sox, but whatever. I am in awe after shooting a 105 on a wide open course last week (River Ridge near Mohegan Sun in CT) abd watch the precision with which these golfers can consistently generate.
Even for people who don't like Tiger's personality or off-field behaviors, it's hard for me to understand those who root for him to lose.
I just wish he (and the other American golfers) would be better in the Ryder Cup.
I know the Masters is the crown jewel of golf, but for my money as a fan, I think going to Whistling Straits for the Ryder Cup in 2020 would be more fun.
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So of course I went on a nice two hour stroll around the lake, saw deer and a regal red shouldered hawk... Overcast without threat of rain, just about 70°F, very pleased day for a walk.
But coming in just in time to watch Tiger don the green jacket, for the fifth time, I was pretty jazzed for him.
As someone said, he's worked long and hard for this comeback, and he's played well enough to win a major again, but you never know when the opportunity will arise...
Good for him, good for golf.
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Wait for all your hatred for Phil... Tiger winning is bigger than the giants winning the SB?
So you’re just going to admit you hate Phil because you’re a huge Tiger fan? Cause tiger is as much of an asshole as Phil is off the course... haha
Are you drunk? What does Phil have to do with what I said? Have another and sleep it off....
Never had a drink in my life.
I just find it funny you rip Phil for being an ass off the course and cheer for Tiger who is as much if not bigger one.
And I think LT is the greatest football player of all time, and he is a piece of shit off the field too. Your point is?
You have problems. Get help.
I have problems cause I called you hypocritical?
I think you’re the one that needs help. Haha.
Got it. I’ll be sure to ask you who I should root for from now on. Clearly you are very concerned about my likes and dislikes.
I enjoy traveling with my kids to Walt Disney World. Is that acceptable? Or am I a hypocrite for that also because I also like Harry Potter World at Universal? I’ll be waiting patiently for your answer...
Now it's 15 majors, 2nd all time to the Nicklaus 18, and 81 PGA Tour wins, 1 behind Sam Snead for the record number of total wins. I don't think he has to catch Jack's 18 majors to be GOAT. He could win 1 more major and 7-8 other tour events to be universally regarded as the #1 golfer ever. Tiger also gets credit for beating more difficult fields than Jack did
For creating those difficult fields. Nobody has done more for the popularity of the sport, and I’m sure more than a few of these younger golfers watched Tiger growing up.
you guys find a reason to fight about anything.
Great tournament. Some very challenging greens were easier than normal due to the wet conditions and a little less wind than normal.
I'm not a big Tiger fan, but he earned it. When you beat the best on the big stage, you earned the accolades.
For creating those difficult fields. Nobody has done more for the popularity of the sport, and I’m sure more than a few of these younger golfers watched Tiger growing up.
It’s mostly about the money. In previous generations, you had to win regularly or you wouldn’t win enough money to stay on tour. This led to a smaller group of great players who were driven to be pro golfers.
1988 was the first year even 1 player won $1 million for the year. Last year, 114 players did. It lets a lot more talent stay on tour. Many of them just cruise along on talent, only rarely pressing themselves.
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Tiger also gets credit for beating more difficult fields than Jack did
Who does he get credit from? Jack played against Palmer, Player, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Trevino, Julius Boros, Billy Casper, Ben Crenshaw, Larry Nelson and Hale Irwin along with a slew of other excellent players
For what its worth, I rarely watch golf, but tuned in at about noon and ignored the Yanks start to watch. Very happy for Tiger. I think he has been through it all and really enjoyed watching his poise through the back 9.
Does anybody think he can go on another run at more majors? He looked awfully good today.
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Tiger also gets credit for beating more difficult fields than Jack did
Who does he get credit from? Jack played against Palmer, Player, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Trevino, Julius Boros, Billy Casper, Ben Crenshaw, Larry Nelson and Hale Irwin along with a slew of other excellent players
11 players shot 10 under or better today. In Jack's era, 10 under more often than not won the tournament, sometimes by several shots
September & my buddy was convinced El Tigre would win the Masters. I counted it up too many brews, but he was right. And Lord is he letting me know today.
Tiger also gets credit for beating more difficult fields than Jack did
Who does he get credit from? Jack played against Palmer, Player, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Trevino, Julius Boros, Billy Casper, Ben Crenshaw, Larry Nelson and Hale Irwin along with a slew of other excellent players
11 players shot 10 under or better today. In Jack's era, 10 under more often than not won the tournament, sometimes by several shots
Does Tiger get credit for the advances in equipment and training regimens too? You are really stretching here. He's great. The fields are tough now. The fields were tough back then too.
Some people said you could see "Barkley" through the back of the white jumpsuit.
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I’d prefer a more lofty and grandiose way to jam Tiger Woods’ win at The Masters into this space, but I’ll stick with something basic and somewhat obvious.
Woods’ caddie, Joe LaCava, wore a Saquon Barkley jersey under his all-white onesie. The number and name could be seen from the back, through the white exterior. The front of the jumpsuit was unzipped enough to show the blue base color and the top of the number — without the NFL logo that appears at the bottom of the neckline.
Via Golf.com, LaCava has a habit of wearing shirts that pay homage to New York sports teams.
Given that LaCava’s boss won The Masters with LaCava in that jersey, the official blue Barkley may become the match to the red shirt Woods always wears on Sundays.
The US Open (Pebble Beach) and the PGA (Bethpage Black) are courses where he has won majors in the past, so his confidence will be sky high
I was thinking that he does well at Pebble, too. I also believe he as more in him. Look at how he improved his driving from the start of the year. His putting is still spotty. Not sure what the stats will show from this weekend, but he won't be that high in putting.
The guy is phenomenal at diagnosing his weaknesses and correcting them. He has been working on those since he figured out his back was ok and he could play. All last year he improved monthly, if not weekly. He was close in the Open and the PGA put by the time he got to East Lake he was about dialed in, but the driver was a weakness. He figured out his shaft was wrong for what he was doing and capable of and replaced it.
I would not be surprised to see his putting improve in the next few tournaments...
He will win a couple more events this year.
don't recall ever seeing such a stacked group in contention on a back 9 at the same time down the stretch. Koepka, DJ, Tiger, Ricky, Molinari, just insane. Can't help but be really happy for Tiger. Last year all signs pointed towards a major win in the near future, but to do it in this fashion to open the year was special. Pretty sure we can all go back to wondering how many majors he gets beyond Jack, don't think it's a question of if.
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The US Open (Pebble Beach) and the PGA (Bethpage Black) are courses where he has won majors in the past, so his confidence will be sky high
I was thinking that he does well at Pebble, too. I also believe he as more in him. Look at how he improved his driving from the start of the year. His putting is still spotty. Not sure what the stats will show from this weekend, but he won't be that high in putting.
The guy is phenomenal at diagnosing his weaknesses and correcting them. He has been working on those since he figured out his back was ok and he could play. All last year he improved monthly, if not weekly. He was close in the Open and the PGA put by the time he got to East Lake he was about dialed in, but the driver was a weakness. He figured out his shaft was wrong for what he was doing and capable of and replaced it.
I would not be surprised to see his putting improve in the next few tournaments...
He will win a couple more events this year.
The US Open is really hard to figure because you never know how the USGA will trick up the course. If it wasn't played at Pebble Beach I'd think there's no way Tiger is getting close to winning it, but it's at Pebble and he's far more experienced on that course than anyone else contending for majors except for maybe Phil. Bethpage Black is normally a US Open course but it's hosting the PGA so it won't be as hard to play. So you figure the winner there is going to post a very low score, as long as the weather is OK. The British Open course is probably advantage Rory because it's in Northern Ireland and he's probably played it a lot while most of the other golfers (especially the American players) might be seeing it for the first time
don't recall ever seeing such a stacked group in contention on a back 9 at the same time down the stretch. Koepka, DJ, Tiger, Ricky, Molinari, just insane. Can't help but be really happy for Tiger. Last year all signs pointed towards a major win in the near future, but to do it in this fashion to open the year was special. Pretty sure we can all go back to wondering how many majors he gets beyond Jack, don't think it's a question of if.
It's very much a question of if. It's probably no better than a 50/50 shot he gets to 17 majors, let alone 18+. These golfers he's going against are ridiculously good, better than a lot of the guys he beat in the past. Time is also against him at 43 years of age and who knows how long his back holds up. One more back injury and that could be it; he was considering retirement after the L5-fusion 2 years ago
don't recall ever seeing such a stacked group in contention on a back 9 at the same time down the stretch. Koepka, DJ, Tiger, Ricky, Molinari, just insane. Can't help but be really happy for Tiger. Last year all signs pointed towards a major win in the near future, but to do it in this fashion to open the year was special. Pretty sure we can all go back to wondering how many majors he gets beyond Jack, don't think it's a question of if.
It's very much a question of if. It's probably no better than a 50/50 shot he gets to 17 majors, let alone 18+. These golfers he's going against are ridiculously good, better than a lot of the guys he beat in the past. Time is also against him at 43 years of age and who knows how long his back holds up. One more back injury and that could be it; he was considering retirement after the L5-fusion 2 years ago
Koepka and DJ are probably two guys that will be in every major tournament. If Koepka doesn't plunk it into Raes Creek, he probably wins. (Yes if pigs had wings they would fly.) DJ quietly snuck back into it.
More good players for certain are playing right now.
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Some people said you could see "Barkley" through the back of the white jumpsuit.
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I’d prefer a more lofty and grandiose way to jam Tiger Woods’ win at The Masters into this space, but I’ll stick with something basic and somewhat obvious.
Woods’ caddie, Joe LaCava, wore a Saquon Barkley jersey under his all-white onesie. The number and name could be seen from the back, through the white exterior. The front of the jumpsuit was unzipped enough to show the blue base color and the top of the number — without the NFL logo that appears at the bottom of the neckline.
Via Golf.com, LaCava has a habit of wearing shirts that pay homage to New York sports teams.
Given that LaCava’s boss won The Masters with LaCava in that jersey, the official blue Barkley may become the match to the red shirt Woods always wears on Sundays.
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Pj, I dont know if you noticed, but the caddy's note pad had an Giants NY logo dead center and the logos of all four Giants Super Bowls on the cover. Was plain as day.
Some people said you could see "Barkley" through the back of the white jumpsuit.
Quote:
I’d prefer a more lofty and grandiose way to jam Tiger Woods’ win at The Masters into this space, but I’ll stick with something basic and somewhat obvious.
Woods’ caddie, Joe LaCava, wore a Saquon Barkley jersey under his all-white onesie. The number and name could be seen from the back, through the white exterior. The front of the jumpsuit was unzipped enough to show the blue base color and the top of the number — without the NFL logo that appears at the bottom of the neckline.
Via Golf.com, LaCava has a habit of wearing shirts that pay homage to New York sports teams.
Given that LaCava’s boss won The Masters with LaCava in that jersey, the official blue Barkley may become the match to the red shirt Woods always wears on Sundays.
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I was wondering who he was wearing. They discussed it last year at the Masters b/c his yardage book has the NY logo on it. yardage - ( New Window )
It's very much a question of if. It's probably no better than a 50/50 shot he gets to 17 majors, let alone 18+. These golfers he's going against are ridiculously good, better than a lot of the guys he beat in the past. Time is also against him at 43 years of age and who knows how long his back holds up. One more back injury and that could be it; he was considering retirement after the L5-fusion 2 years ago
Agree. Tiger is now the 10th oldest to win a major. Nobody has ever won more than one past his age.
don't recall ever seeing such a stacked group in contention on a back 9 at the same time down the stretch. Koepka, DJ, Tiger, Ricky, Molinari, just insane. Can't help but be really happy for Tiger. Last year all signs pointed towards a major win in the near future, but to do it in this fashion to open the year was special. Pretty sure we can all go back to wondering how many majors he gets beyond Jack, don't think it's a question of if.
It's very much a question of if. It's probably no better than a 50/50 shot he gets to 17 majors, let alone 18+. These golfers he's going against are ridiculously good, better than a lot of the guys he beat in the past. Time is also against him at 43 years of age and who knows how long his back holds up. One more back injury and that could be it; he was considering retirement after the L5-fusion 2 years ago
Injury is the only question. Last year he was in contention in 2/4 majors without being able to hit a fairway. Phil is 5 years older and still competes (when he cares enough to). Barring a recurrence of his injury issues, he's going to enter another 10-15 major tournaments as one of the favorites to win. Maybe more.
Tiger also gets credit for beating more difficult fields than Jack did
Who does he get credit from? Jack played against Palmer, Player, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Trevino, Julius Boros, Billy Casper, Ben Crenshaw, Larry Nelson and Hale Irwin along with a slew of other excellent players
11 players shot 10 under or better today. In Jack's era, 10 under more often than not won the tournament, sometimes by several shots
Jack and Ray Floyd each won at -17. Last year, only 4 players were double digits under. Was this year's field 3 times better than last year's? Maybe the soft greens and lower winds had something to do with the scoring. Today's equipment is probably 10 generations removed from Jack's day. Guy's who were driving 250 then would be over 300 now. When everyone can reach the 500 yard holes in 2, scores get better. There are 7 holes at Augusta 495 or longer. There's another handful 440-465 that guys are hitting 9 iron into. In Jack's day they were hitting 3-5 woods.
What an unctuous psycophant. Wow, that guy can spread it on thicker than cream cheese. The guy is both reverential and rhapsodic, especially when he related covering his first Masters and comparing that with this one.
What an unctuous psycophant. Wow, that guy can spread it on thicker than cream cheese. The guy is both reverential and rhapsodic, especially when he related covering his first Masters and comparing that with this one.
Who eats up this shit?
I wanted Tiger to win, but now get ready. You will never hear the end of it.
What an unctuous psycophant. Wow, that guy can spread it on thicker than cream cheese. The guy is both reverential and rhapsodic, especially when he related covering his first Masters and comparing that with this one.
Who eats up this shit?
Damn, needed my dictionary to translate this....so he was sucking up too much?
It was a bit sanctimonious.......
It’s funny because he’s changed so much but no one that hates him talks about it. And a lot of these golfers are dicks, should we hate them all?
Tiger was a big part of my childhood. He fucked up royally and paid for it dearly. He then had injuries that would end most careers and not only came back, but won. There’s far more good in his story than bad, but flame away if it makes you happy.
almost selling the moment to the point where i think he detracted from the moment, which stood on its own. I am not a huge Tiger fan, primarily because I do think he used PEDs, not because of any attitude or that he was a dick or morality or anything like that. But, he did come back from basically not competing for years and whether this is a rebirth or a one time thing, it was a tremendous achievement for him and you have to give him that.
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The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
I think he was way off to the right and just wanted to lay up to the middle, playing conservatively, since he still had 3 shots to work with. Look at how easy the shot after the one you are describing was - he put the ball perfectly in the middle. Had he gone for the green on the second shot, it could have ended badly. He only needed to shoot a 5 on the hole, so no need to gamble. Tiger 18th hole - ( New Window )
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The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
Lol, the announces were too busy heaping praise on Tiger to continue commentating on the last few holes of the tournament. I'm not sure what happened on that hole either. But I did think it was a bit premature to essentially anoint Tiger the winner on the 16th hole. It was still close and Koepka was a poor put away from this possibly being a playoff.
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The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
I think he was way off to the right and just wanted to lay up to the middle, playing conservatively, since he still had 3 shots to work with. Look at how easy the shot after the one you are describing was - he put the ball perfectly in the middle. Had he gone for the green on the second shot, it could have ended badly. He only needed to shoot a 5 on the hole, so no need to gamble. Tiger 18th hole - ( New Window )
That was pretty much my take on it too. Once Koepka missed his birdie putt on 18, it was pretty much all over.
The whole 18th for Tiger was just getting 5 or less and the announcers knew him getting it was a certainty. I can't blame them for getting caught up in the spectacle and incredible sports moment they were witnessing.
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The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
I think he was way off to the right and just wanted to lay up to the middle, playing conservatively, since he still had 3 shots to work with. Look at how easy the shot after the one you are describing was - he put the ball perfectly in the middle. Had he gone for the green on the second shot, it could have ended badly. He only needed to shoot a 5 on the hole, so no need to gamble. Tiger 18th hole - ( New Window )
That was pretty much my take on it too. Once Koepka missed his birdie putt on 18, it was pretty much all over.
The whole 18th for Tiger was just getting 5 or less and the announcers knew him getting it was a certainty. I can't blame them for getting caught up in the spectacle and incredible sports moment they were witnessing.
Oh, for sure. But the announcers gave the tournament to Tiger well before the 18th and Brooks missed putt. I was wrapped up in it too but with three holes left, I was like “umm, it ain’t over yet.” Lol, all good in the end though.
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The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
Lol, the announces were too busy heaping praise on Tiger to continue commentating on the last few holes of the tournament. I'm not sure what happened on that hole either. But I did think it was a bit premature to essentially anoint Tiger the winner on the 16th hole. It was still close and Koepka was a poor put away from this possibly being a playoff.
The only way for him to blow it was end up in the trees on the right or hook it left. Tiger hit his three wood instead of driver. His 3 wood is 280 to 290 but usually very straight. The wind was blowing pretty good at that point. He hit it with a little cut spin on it, probably a combination of trying to guide it and an easy swing which almost always causes cut spin.
So the ball was a little short and slightly tucked behind the trees. 10 to 15 feet left and he has a clear shot at the green. The second shot was designed to take out the bunkers and leave him a simple pitch to the middle of the green for a possible four or an almost certain five. I know that putt and so does anyone that has watched a number of Masters - it should have drifted a touch left. He hit it just where he wanted, but it never took the break - may have been wind or the slight rain.
Anyway, Tiger simply out thought the others and won by not making the big mistake. He basically stayed close enough and let the others take themselves out and took what the course gave him. He did not force a shot on the back nine and probably not during the entire round.
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it a bit more to the middle as opposed to what seemed to have been an awful slice. And he wasn't blocked from the green on the second shot; he just had to either hit a bit of slice or punch it under the tree, a relatively easy shot.
I'd just have liked someone to ask him about that shot. Because, as great as Tiger is, he was sweating before that putt for par. Of course he hit it great anyway, but he seemed to me to make the hole harder than it could have been for him.
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and possibly having a buried lie in bunker or being above the hole with a wicked chip back down and sideways. That hole is like straight up hill if you have ever been there.
Smart play was to stay beneath the green and pitch or chip up. My guess is he still wanted that second shot to go a bit further but still be beneath the green.
comment on his approach to the green, though. How he used the slope to protect the shot and have it start to come back to the hole instead of going directly for the pin.
I think they even said that's unlike Tiger, but it fell in line with the way he played the hole with a 2-stroke lead.
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it a bit more to the middle as opposed to what seemed to have been an awful slice. And he wasn't blocked from the green on the second shot; he just had to either hit a bit of slice or punch it under the tree, a relatively easy shot.
I'd just have liked someone to ask him about that shot. Because, as great as Tiger is, he was sweating before that putt for par. Of course he hit it great anyway, but he seemed to me to make the hole harder than it could have been for him.
Yatqb - as I said, on the drive he took his 3 wood and probably mis-hit it a touch that caused that fade/leaker right and that is why it was on the right side of the fairway and a bit short. I suspect into him from left to right.
I do not know where the wind was coming from, but a high fade into the green with the wrong wind direction and it gets to a bad spot in the rough or bunker. I was surprised how short he was - but old golf saying - if you are going to lay up - then lay up. So go to a distance that is comfortable. And of course the approach shot was to get it on to the second level behind the pin and let the slope bring the ball back toward the pin. Below is a tough two putt.
Yes, he was not totally blocked on the 2nd shot, but there was a branch out over his line about 30/40 yards up- why mess with that by punching under or tryin to cut it around. I think he was about 185 out, so a punch under was out. Again, I do not know where the wind was coming from, but I am certain that if he thought he could comfortably get it onto the green, he would have gone for it.
Yes I would like to know what he was thinking or if he chunked that second shot, but it did not look like that to me.
Here's the deal. The pin is on the left. There is a lot of clear room on the right. It's an easy pitch shot to the green from that angle. He didn't hit the 2nd shot well. He said there was some mud on the ball too. But he left it right where he wanted to leave it if he hit a poor shot.
As far as the Tiger vs Jack stuff. No one has ever played golf like Tiger Woods did from 1999-2005. Whether Tiger passes Sam Snead for tour wins and Jack for majors remains to be seen. But Tiger Woods played golf at a level no one has ever come close to. Not even Jack. Tiger won 4 majors in a row.
As far as depth of field goes Jack had it easier. There are much deeper fields now.
Here's the deal. The pin is on the left. There is a lot of clear room on the right. It's an easy pitch shot to the green from that angle. He didn't hit the 2nd shot well. He said there was some mud on the ball too. But he left it right where he wanted to leave it if he hit a poor shot.
As far as the Tiger vs Jack stuff. No one has ever played golf like Tiger Woods did from 1999-2005. Whether Tiger passes Sam Snead for tour wins and Jack for majors remains to be seen. But Tiger Woods played golf at a level no one has ever come close to. Not even Jack. Tiger won 4 majors in a row.
As far as depth of field goes Jack had it easier. There are much deeper fields now.
GOAT debates are stupid. They are impossible to settle and Tiger and Jack were great. Who is better? How can anyone know. I am a huge Federer fan in tennis and I can give you 100 reasons why Federer's career has been significantly better than Nadal's. A nadal supporter can turn around and tell me look at the head to head record, etc. We can go onl all day and the effect is stupid because there is no winner. Enjoy the game and enjoy your favorite teams and athletes. These GOAT debates have become annoying
But I lost a friend who missed this Epic comeback and win
So it was a sentimental Victory guy was left for
dead proved everyone wrong looking at nearing GOAT Staus
amazing player I shed some tears ...
He barely attended the masters champions dinner because of the nerve pain in his back. He was counted out as done by many including himself. His life golf swing and health were all a mess. He isn’t getting any younger. So it was simply incredible to see him get back to the summit of a major yesterday. Haters like AWOL Stan are gonna hate and he’s been far from perfect in his personal life but I’m happy for Tiger
Agreed. It’s also going to bleed into the Islanders game so I’m gonna have quite a conflict at noon. I’m probably gonna set up a second TV.
Did I hear right that Molinari only has 1 bogey all week?
Tiger could throw a wrench in but he has to shoot -4 or better as I would count on molinari shooting under par today
Phil misses an eagle from 215 yards - less the 1/4 short of hole. Ball is leaning over the hole.
Phil misses an eagle from 215 yards - less the 1/4 short of hole. Ball is leaning over the hole.
But comes back and pars it.
Letting everyone else creep up.
I don't think Molinari is going to "lose" this, someone is going to have to score low and take it from him and win it.
Phil just missed that one and Tiger as a long par putt. Misjudged the wind and came up short on 4.
This is why I expect him to win. Molinari hits an awful drive on #5 and makes 4. Tiger hits a smart drive and bogeys. Molinari seems best able to make the least amount of mistakes and has already saved par with two great putts.
And I jinx him on #6.
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Molinari with a 3 shot lead. Some guys will need to step it up.
This is why I expect him to win. Molinari hits an awful drive on #5 and makes 4. Tiger hits a smart drive and bogeys. Molinari seems best able to make the least amount of mistakes and has already saved par with two great putts.
And I jinx him on #6.
Molinari has also now been saved a couple of times by his bad shots hitting spectators, saving him from worse lies
Has all week. That putt on 6 would have been huge.
He's been outstanding since, though. Credit where it's due.
Small window opened up for Tiger and Koepka though.
Tony F hanging in there too.
CBS
For a few of those seconds I thought he left it well short and was going to have a tough par putt and then I thought it was going in! Lol.
Last two drives are going to kill him (10 & 11)...that was a tremendous putt on #9. I thought he left it short, twice. It just made the 2nd slope.
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Last two drives are going to kill him (10 & 11)...that was a tremendous putt on #9. I thought he left it short, twice. It just made the 2nd slope.
Damn, almost a birdie after that bad drive on 11. Makes the par and that was huge.
Koepka and Poulter in the Creek off 12..yikes...
Then a ballsy par save.
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piss poor putt there. Come on man.
Then a ballsy par save.
Could be huge....could be huge. he has dug him out of a few holes today....Need a good one at 13.
Lord he hit at tree and out to the fairway!
Maybe it's Stan!
The way he was playing I didn't think there was any way he would gag this away. Thought for sure someone would have to play lights out and take it from him.
He did it. Thought that might go...
Stan's batting average is back to .000
Damn! Thought for a second he was going to hole that one but what a great clutch tee shot.
Think it is a 44 long...might need a 46 now.
But Koepka sticks one on 17..
I don't, not when it comes to him.
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A good redemption story. Hope Tiger holds on
I don't, not when it comes to him.
If you're a sports fan you have to at least respect and admire the talent. He's truly one of the All Time greats.
No problem with that and I know you're not the only one. We all have guys in sports we can't stand, but it's good to know we can all appreciate greatness when we see it.
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A good redemption story. Hope Tiger holds on
I don't, not when it comes to him.
There are plenty of those in the world.
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A good redemption story. Hope Tiger holds on
I don't, not when it comes to him.
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A good redemption story. Hope Tiger holds on
I don't, not when it comes to him.
what specifically about Tiger do you have an issue with?
Well, clearly it has to be the cursing. Tiger is obviously the only golfer that curses and gets frustrated and it’s off-putting in the gentleman’s game 😜
Oh yeah, probably the infidelity as well.
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A good redemption story. Hope Tiger holds on
I don't, not when it comes to him.
what specifically about Tiger do you have an issue with?
I don't think I'm alone in reading and seeing stories about him being a complete POS. I feel the same about Jordan. I respect them both as all time greats, but never would root for them in any situation.
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A good redemption story. Hope Tiger holds on
I don't, not when it comes to him.
what specifically about Tiger do you have an issue with?
I don't think I'm alone in reading and seeing stories about him being a complete POS. I feel the same about Jordan. I respect them both as all time greats, but never would root for them in any situation.
Sorry for your loss...but, believe me, he’s watching. Probably right next to you.
I don't think I'm alone in reading and seeing stories about him being a complete POS. I feel the same about Jordan. I respect them both as all time greats, but never would root for them in any situation.
You can do that with plenty of sports guys. Phil is FIGJAM by some. McIlroy a lush. Kuchar a cheap bastid...Reed is a total a$$hole. DJ is a cokehead..
These guys are not saints and should not be expected to be one.
But there is a reason for chocolate and vanilla ice cream.
Nice...
Now Stan can go eff himself!
Sorry for your loss. RIP. God bless. Prayers to you, your father, and your family.
Yup and just an all time great sports moment.
As a Dad I was stoked for him to be able to do this with his kids there. Just doesn't get any better than that.
do you mind sharing examples of these stories?
Well, there cheating on his wife as if she didn't exist; the DUI; numerous accounts of his not being nice to kids at tournaments...
Let’s not get carried away!
With that said it’s pretty awesome.
Hi Stan!
Whaaaaaat?
Wait for all your hatred for Phil... Tiger winning is bigger than the giants winning the SB?
So you’re just going to admit you hate Phil because you’re a huge Tiger fan? Cause tiger is as much of an asshole as Phil is off the course... haha
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This is awesome!
Wait for all your hatred for Phil... Tiger winning is bigger than the giants winning the SB?
So you’re just going to admit you hate Phil because you’re a huge Tiger fan? Cause tiger is as much of an asshole as Phil is off the course... haha
Are you drunk? What does Phil have to do with what I said? Have another and sleep it off....
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This is awesome!
Whaaaaaat?
Is it crazy to think that golf is a bigger passion of mine than football? My handle is GiantGolfer you know...and Tiger is my favorite golfer.
Great fun
Is it crazy to think that golf is a bigger passion of mine than football? My handle is GiantGolfer you know...and Tiger is my favorite golfer.
No. not to me.
I stopped everything that I was doing to watch the last 3 holes. Congrats Tiger!
I rarely pulled for Tiger, even when he was in his prime, but watching him today started to bring back memories of Nicklaus winning when I thought he was ancient.
As the field hit about hole 7, I started hoping tiger would win. Why? Couldn't really tell you. When I don't have a dog in the fight, sometimes I just want to be entertained.
I certainly was today.
To me (and I’m a lover) a great moment was the 3 second clip after the green jacket presentation when Joey was opening his yardage book and you saw the big Giants NY on the cover. Maybe he’s on BBI?
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This is awesome!
Wait for all your hatred for Phil... Tiger winning is bigger than the giants winning the SB?
So you’re just going to admit you hate Phil because you’re a huge Tiger fan? Cause tiger is as much of an asshole as Phil is off the course... haha
Are you drunk? What does Phil have to do with what I said? Have another and sleep it off....
Never had a drink in my life.
I just find it funny you rip Phil for being an ass off the course and cheer for Tiger who is as much if not bigger one.
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This is awesome!
Wait for all your hatred for Phil... Tiger winning is bigger than the giants winning the SB?
So you’re just going to admit you hate Phil because you’re a huge Tiger fan? Cause tiger is as much of an asshole as Phil is off the course... haha
Are you drunk? What does Phil have to do with what I said? Have another and sleep it off....
Never had a drink in my life.
I just find it funny you rip Phil for being an ass off the course and cheer for Tiger who is as much if not bigger one.
And I think LT is the greatest football player of all time, and he is a piece of shit off the field too. Your point is?
You have problems. Get help.
Lolstan
At least he isn't playing those shitty Nike clubs and balls anymore. Gosh those Nike TW balls were like hitting rocks..
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This is awesome!
Wait for all your hatred for Phil... Tiger winning is bigger than the giants winning the SB?
So you’re just going to admit you hate Phil because you’re a huge Tiger fan? Cause tiger is as much of an asshole as Phil is off the course... haha
Are you drunk? What does Phil have to do with what I said? Have another and sleep it off....
Never had a drink in my life.
I just find it funny you rip Phil for being an ass off the course and cheer for Tiger who is as much if not bigger one.
And I think LT is the greatest football player of all time, and he is a piece of shit off the field too. Your point is?
You have problems. Get help.
I have problems cause I called you hypocritical?
I think you’re the one that needs help. Haha.
If I had to pick, I'm always pulling for Rickie Fowler to win. Just seems like a good dude from what I've read.
but I've liked Tiger since his broke on to the scene in the mid-90's. I also like Phil though, so maybe I'm just not hard core enough fan to only pick one or the other. Not sure if liking those two is akin to liking the Yankees and Red Sox, but whatever. I am in awe after shooting a 105 on a wide open course last week (River Ridge near Mohegan Sun in CT) abd watch the precision with which these golfers can consistently generate.
Even for people who don't like Tiger's personality or off-field behaviors, it's hard for me to understand those who root for him to lose.
I just wish he (and the other American golfers) would be better in the Ryder Cup.
I know the Masters is the crown jewel of golf, but for my money as a fan, I think going to Whistling Straits for the Ryder Cup in 2020 would be more fun.
I have problems cause I called you hypocritical?
I think you’re the one that needs help. Haha.
Can you edit the reply so we don't see half a page of replies? It isn't very hard to do.
See.....
Lol
So of course I went on a nice two hour stroll around the lake, saw deer and a regal red shouldered hawk... Overcast without threat of rain, just about 70°F, very pleased day for a walk.
But coming in just in time to watch Tiger don the green jacket, for the fifth time, I was pretty jazzed for him.
As someone said, he's worked long and hard for this comeback, and he's played well enough to win a major again, but you never know when the opportunity will arise...
Good for him, good for golf.
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This is awesome!
Whaaaaaat?
Is it crazy to think that golf is a bigger passion of mine than football? My handle is GiantGolfer you know...and Tiger is my favorite golfer.
You know how I know you're gay? And NTTAWWT.
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This is awesome!
Wait for all your hatred for Phil... Tiger winning is bigger than the giants winning the SB?
So you’re just going to admit you hate Phil because you’re a huge Tiger fan? Cause tiger is as much of an asshole as Phil is off the course... haha
Are you drunk? What does Phil have to do with what I said? Have another and sleep it off....
Never had a drink in my life.
I just find it funny you rip Phil for being an ass off the course and cheer for Tiger who is as much if not bigger one.
And I think LT is the greatest football player of all time, and he is a piece of shit off the field too. Your point is?
You have problems. Get help.
I have problems cause I called you hypocritical?
I think you’re the one that needs help. Haha.
Got it. I’ll be sure to ask you who I should root for from now on. Clearly you are very concerned about my likes and dislikes.
I enjoy traveling with my kids to Walt Disney World. Is that acceptable? Or am I a hypocrite for that also because I also like Harry Potter World at Universal? I’ll be waiting patiently for your answer...
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This is awesome!
Whaaaaaat?
Is it crazy to think that golf is a bigger passion of mine than football? My handle is GiantGolfer you know...and Tiger is my favorite golfer.
You know how I know you're gay? And NTTAWWT.
Super.
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This is awesome!
Whaaaaaat?
Is it crazy to think that golf is a bigger passion of mine than football? My handle is GiantGolfer you know...and Tiger is my favorite golfer.
You know how I know you're gay? And NTTAWWT.
Super.
Im just messing with you man. Its cool if you like Golf more than football.
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This is awesome!
Whaaaaaat?
Is it crazy to think that golf is a bigger passion of mine than football? My handle is GiantGolfer you know...and Tiger is my favorite golfer.
You know how I know you're gay? And NTTAWWT.
Now why isn't this ban-able?
Golfer I didnt mean anything by it other than to bust your balls.
Golfer I didnt mean anything by it other than to bust your balls.
That could get you fired from work in today's climate.
And so what if somebody likes golf more than football. I'd prefer a Yankees World Series than a Giants Super Bowl.
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I was surprised like everybody else that he said that a Super Bowl was less important than a Tiger win. Also its a commonly thrown about movie line.
Golfer I didnt mean anything by it other than to bust your balls.
That could get you fired from work in today's climate.
And so what if somebody likes golf more than football. I'd prefer a Yankees World Series than a Giants Super Bowl.
K. I didnt say it at work. Its a football message board and I engage in guy humor from time to time. Sorry if you were offended.
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I was surprised like everybody else that he said that a Super Bowl was less important than a Tiger win. Also its a commonly thrown about movie line.
Golfer I didnt mean anything by it other than to bust your balls.
That could get you fired from work in today's climate.
And so what if somebody likes golf more than football. I'd prefer a Yankees World Series than a Giants Super Bowl.
K. I didnt say it at work. Its a football message board and I engage in guy humor from time to time. Sorry if you were offended.
I'm not offended at all and people get fired for the social media postings ....(which I think is stupid btw)
Great tournament. Some very challenging greens were easier than normal due to the wet conditions and a little less wind than normal.
I'm not a big Tiger fan, but he earned it. When you beat the best on the big stage, you earned the accolades.
It’s mostly about the money. In previous generations, you had to win regularly or you wouldn’t win enough money to stay on tour. This led to a smaller group of great players who were driven to be pro golfers.
1988 was the first year even 1 player won $1 million for the year. Last year, 114 players did. It lets a lot more talent stay on tour. Many of them just cruise along on talent, only rarely pressing themselves.
Who does he get credit from? Jack played against Palmer, Player, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Trevino, Julius Boros, Billy Casper, Ben Crenshaw, Larry Nelson and Hale Irwin along with a slew of other excellent players
For what its worth, I rarely watch golf, but tuned in at about noon and ignored the Yanks start to watch. Very happy for Tiger. I think he has been through it all and really enjoyed watching his poise through the back 9.
Does anybody think he can go on another run at more majors? He looked awfully good today.
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Tiger also gets credit for beating more difficult fields than Jack did
Who does he get credit from? Jack played against Palmer, Player, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Trevino, Julius Boros, Billy Casper, Ben Crenshaw, Larry Nelson and Hale Irwin along with a slew of other excellent players
11 players shot 10 under or better today. In Jack's era, 10 under more often than not won the tournament, sometimes by several shots
At some point, those stopped being considered Majors, but under the old definition, Tiger already has 18 Major victories to Jack's 20.
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Tiger also gets credit for beating more difficult fields than Jack did
Who does he get credit from? Jack played against Palmer, Player, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Trevino, Julius Boros, Billy Casper, Ben Crenshaw, Larry Nelson and Hale Irwin along with a slew of other excellent players
11 players shot 10 under or better today. In Jack's era, 10 under more often than not won the tournament, sometimes by several shots
Does Tiger get credit for the advances in equipment and training regimens too? You are really stretching here. He's great. The fields are tough now. The fields were tough back then too.
Woods’ caddie, Joe LaCava, wore a Saquon Barkley jersey under his all-white onesie. The number and name could be seen from the back, through the white exterior. The front of the jumpsuit was unzipped enough to show the blue base color and the top of the number — without the NFL logo that appears at the bottom of the neckline.
Via Golf.com, LaCava has a habit of wearing shirts that pay homage to New York sports teams.
Given that LaCava’s boss won The Masters with LaCava in that jersey, the official blue Barkley may become the match to the red shirt Woods always wears on Sundays.
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I was thinking that he does well at Pebble, too. I also believe he as more in him. Look at how he improved his driving from the start of the year. His putting is still spotty. Not sure what the stats will show from this weekend, but he won't be that high in putting.
The guy is phenomenal at diagnosing his weaknesses and correcting them. He has been working on those since he figured out his back was ok and he could play. All last year he improved monthly, if not weekly. He was close in the Open and the PGA put by the time he got to East Lake he was about dialed in, but the driver was a weakness. He figured out his shaft was wrong for what he was doing and capable of and replaced it.
I would not be surprised to see his putting improve in the next few tournaments...
He will win a couple more events this year.
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The US Open (Pebble Beach) and the PGA (Bethpage Black) are courses where he has won majors in the past, so his confidence will be sky high
I was thinking that he does well at Pebble, too. I also believe he as more in him. Look at how he improved his driving from the start of the year. His putting is still spotty. Not sure what the stats will show from this weekend, but he won't be that high in putting.
The guy is phenomenal at diagnosing his weaknesses and correcting them. He has been working on those since he figured out his back was ok and he could play. All last year he improved monthly, if not weekly. He was close in the Open and the PGA put by the time he got to East Lake he was about dialed in, but the driver was a weakness. He figured out his shaft was wrong for what he was doing and capable of and replaced it.
I would not be surprised to see his putting improve in the next few tournaments...
He will win a couple more events this year.
The US Open is really hard to figure because you never know how the USGA will trick up the course. If it wasn't played at Pebble Beach I'd think there's no way Tiger is getting close to winning it, but it's at Pebble and he's far more experienced on that course than anyone else contending for majors except for maybe Phil. Bethpage Black is normally a US Open course but it's hosting the PGA so it won't be as hard to play. So you figure the winner there is going to post a very low score, as long as the weather is OK. The British Open course is probably advantage Rory because it's in Northern Ireland and he's probably played it a lot while most of the other golfers (especially the American players) might be seeing it for the first time
(Banging head on desk.)
It's very much a question of if. It's probably no better than a 50/50 shot he gets to 17 majors, let alone 18+. These golfers he's going against are ridiculously good, better than a lot of the guys he beat in the past. Time is also against him at 43 years of age and who knows how long his back holds up. One more back injury and that could be it; he was considering retirement after the L5-fusion 2 years ago
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don't recall ever seeing such a stacked group in contention on a back 9 at the same time down the stretch. Koepka, DJ, Tiger, Ricky, Molinari, just insane. Can't help but be really happy for Tiger. Last year all signs pointed towards a major win in the near future, but to do it in this fashion to open the year was special. Pretty sure we can all go back to wondering how many majors he gets beyond Jack, don't think it's a question of if.
It's very much a question of if. It's probably no better than a 50/50 shot he gets to 17 majors, let alone 18+. These golfers he's going against are ridiculously good, better than a lot of the guys he beat in the past. Time is also against him at 43 years of age and who knows how long his back holds up. One more back injury and that could be it; he was considering retirement after the L5-fusion 2 years ago
Koepka and DJ are probably two guys that will be in every major tournament. If Koepka doesn't plunk it into Raes Creek, he probably wins. (Yes if pigs had wings they would fly.) DJ quietly snuck back into it.
More good players for certain are playing right now.
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I’d prefer a more lofty and grandiose way to jam Tiger Woods’ win at The Masters into this space, but I’ll stick with something basic and somewhat obvious.
Woods’ caddie, Joe LaCava, wore a Saquon Barkley jersey under his all-white onesie. The number and name could be seen from the back, through the white exterior. The front of the jumpsuit was unzipped enough to show the blue base color and the top of the number — without the NFL logo that appears at the bottom of the neckline.
Via Golf.com, LaCava has a habit of wearing shirts that pay homage to New York sports teams.
Given that LaCava’s boss won The Masters with LaCava in that jersey, the official blue Barkley may become the match to the red shirt Woods always wears on Sundays.
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Pj, I dont know if you noticed, but the caddy's note pad had an Giants NY logo dead center and the logos of all four Giants Super Bowls on the cover. Was plain as day.
Very cool rare golf watch for me.
The fuck???
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I’d prefer a more lofty and grandiose way to jam Tiger Woods’ win at The Masters into this space, but I’ll stick with something basic and somewhat obvious.
Woods’ caddie, Joe LaCava, wore a Saquon Barkley jersey under his all-white onesie. The number and name could be seen from the back, through the white exterior. The front of the jumpsuit was unzipped enough to show the blue base color and the top of the number — without the NFL logo that appears at the bottom of the neckline.
Via Golf.com, LaCava has a habit of wearing shirts that pay homage to New York sports teams.
Given that LaCava’s boss won The Masters with LaCava in that jersey, the official blue Barkley may become the match to the red shirt Woods always wears on Sundays.
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I was wondering who he was wearing. They discussed it last year at the Masters b/c his yardage book has the NY logo on it.
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It's very much a question of if. It's probably no better than a 50/50 shot he gets to 17 majors, let alone 18+. These golfers he's going against are ridiculously good, better than a lot of the guys he beat in the past. Time is also against him at 43 years of age and who knows how long his back holds up. One more back injury and that could be it; he was considering retirement after the L5-fusion 2 years ago
Agree. Tiger is now the 10th oldest to win a major. Nobody has ever won more than one past his age.
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don't recall ever seeing such a stacked group in contention on a back 9 at the same time down the stretch. Koepka, DJ, Tiger, Ricky, Molinari, just insane. Can't help but be really happy for Tiger. Last year all signs pointed towards a major win in the near future, but to do it in this fashion to open the year was special. Pretty sure we can all go back to wondering how many majors he gets beyond Jack, don't think it's a question of if.
It's very much a question of if. It's probably no better than a 50/50 shot he gets to 17 majors, let alone 18+. These golfers he's going against are ridiculously good, better than a lot of the guys he beat in the past. Time is also against him at 43 years of age and who knows how long his back holds up. One more back injury and that could be it; he was considering retirement after the L5-fusion 2 years ago
Injury is the only question. Last year he was in contention in 2/4 majors without being able to hit a fairway. Phil is 5 years older and still competes (when he cares enough to). Barring a recurrence of his injury issues, he's going to enter another 10-15 major tournaments as one of the favorites to win. Maybe more.
stay away from the course this year - they’ll now be flooded with tiger warriors
That asshole has earned every bit he gets...
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Tiger also gets credit for beating more difficult fields than Jack did
Who does he get credit from? Jack played against Palmer, Player, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Trevino, Julius Boros, Billy Casper, Ben Crenshaw, Larry Nelson and Hale Irwin along with a slew of other excellent players
11 players shot 10 under or better today. In Jack's era, 10 under more often than not won the tournament, sometimes by several shots
Jack and Ray Floyd each won at -17. Last year, only 4 players were double digits under. Was this year's field 3 times better than last year's? Maybe the soft greens and lower winds had something to do with the scoring. Today's equipment is probably 10 generations removed from Jack's day. Guy's who were driving 250 then would be over 300 now. When everyone can reach the 500 yard holes in 2, scores get better. There are 7 holes at Augusta 495 or longer. There's another handful 440-465 that guys are hitting 9 iron into. In Jack's day they were hitting 3-5 woods.
...I wanted to throw up several times.
What an unctuous psycophant. Wow, that guy can spread it on thicker than cream cheese. The guy is both reverential and rhapsodic, especially when he related covering his first Masters and comparing that with this one.
Who eats up this shit?
...I wanted to throw up several times.
What an unctuous psycophant. Wow, that guy can spread it on thicker than cream cheese. The guy is both reverential and rhapsodic, especially when he related covering his first Masters and comparing that with this one.
Who eats up this shit?
I wanted Tiger to win, but now get ready. You will never hear the end of it.
...I wanted to throw up several times.
What an unctuous psycophant. Wow, that guy can spread it on thicker than cream cheese. The guy is both reverential and rhapsodic, especially when he related covering his first Masters and comparing that with this one.
Who eats up this shit?
Damn, needed my dictionary to translate this....so he was sucking up too much?
It was a bit sanctimonious.......
It’s funny because he’s changed so much but no one that hates him talks about it. And a lot of these golfers are dicks, should we hate them all?
Tiger was a big part of my childhood. He fucked up royally and paid for it dearly. He then had injuries that would end most careers and not only came back, but won. There’s far more good in his story than bad, but flame away if it makes you happy.
If you need a friend buy a dog. If you need a role model, don’t look at athletes...
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anything happen to you lately that would entertain me?
I fucked your mom?
Classy.
Then you've picked the wrong sport. Maybe try bowling, they're mostly humble.
Ive never met him but have seen others post having a similar experience as you. Care to share yours?
As they're passing judgement on who is a bad person.
Irony is not dead.
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As they're passing judgement on who is a bad person.
Irony is not dead.
but clearly his brain is...
I think he was way off to the right and just wanted to lay up to the middle, playing conservatively, since he still had 3 shots to work with. Look at how easy the shot after the one you are describing was - he put the ball perfectly in the middle. Had he gone for the green on the second shot, it could have ended badly. He only needed to shoot a 5 on the hole, so no need to gamble.
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Lol, the announces were too busy heaping praise on Tiger to continue commentating on the last few holes of the tournament. I'm not sure what happened on that hole either. But I did think it was a bit premature to essentially anoint Tiger the winner on the 16th hole. It was still close and Koepka was a poor put away from this possibly being a playoff.
He already knew what BK ended with so...
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The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
I think he was way off to the right and just wanted to lay up to the middle, playing conservatively, since he still had 3 shots to work with. Look at how easy the shot after the one you are describing was - he put the ball perfectly in the middle. Had he gone for the green on the second shot, it could have ended badly. He only needed to shoot a 5 on the hole, so no need to gamble. Tiger 18th hole - ( New Window )
That was pretty much my take on it too. Once Koepka missed his birdie putt on 18, it was pretty much all over.
The whole 18th for Tiger was just getting 5 or less and the announcers knew him getting it was a certainty. I can't blame them for getting caught up in the spectacle and incredible sports moment they were witnessing.
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In comment 14386578 yatqb said:
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The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
I think he was way off to the right and just wanted to lay up to the middle, playing conservatively, since he still had 3 shots to work with. Look at how easy the shot after the one you are describing was - he put the ball perfectly in the middle. Had he gone for the green on the second shot, it could have ended badly. He only needed to shoot a 5 on the hole, so no need to gamble. Tiger 18th hole - ( New Window )
That was pretty much my take on it too. Once Koepka missed his birdie putt on 18, it was pretty much all over.
The whole 18th for Tiger was just getting 5 or less and the announcers knew him getting it was a certainty. I can't blame them for getting caught up in the spectacle and incredible sports moment they were witnessing.
Oh, for sure. But the announcers gave the tournament to Tiger well before the 18th and Brooks missed putt. I was wrapped up in it too but with three holes left, I was like “umm, it ain’t over yet.” Lol, all good in the end though.
Even if he put it in the bunker he'd have been there in two and wouldn't have needed to get up and down for par to win. Just really surprising to me.
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The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
Lol, the announces were too busy heaping praise on Tiger to continue commentating on the last few holes of the tournament. I'm not sure what happened on that hole either. But I did think it was a bit premature to essentially anoint Tiger the winner on the 16th hole. It was still close and Koepka was a poor put away from this possibly being a playoff.
The only way for him to blow it was end up in the trees on the right or hook it left. Tiger hit his three wood instead of driver. His 3 wood is 280 to 290 but usually very straight. The wind was blowing pretty good at that point. He hit it with a little cut spin on it, probably a combination of trying to guide it and an easy swing which almost always causes cut spin.
So the ball was a little short and slightly tucked behind the trees. 10 to 15 feet left and he has a clear shot at the green. The second shot was designed to take out the bunkers and leave him a simple pitch to the middle of the green for a possible four or an almost certain five. I know that putt and so does anyone that has watched a number of Masters - it should have drifted a touch left. He hit it just where he wanted, but it never took the break - may have been wind or the slight rain.
Anyway, Tiger simply out thought the others and won by not making the big mistake. He basically stayed close enough and let the others take themselves out and took what the course gave him. He did not force a shot on the back nine and probably not during the entire round.
I'd just have liked someone to ask him about that shot. Because, as great as Tiger is, he was sweating before that putt for par. Of course he hit it great anyway, but he seemed to me to make the hole harder than it could have been for him.
Smart play was to stay beneath the green and pitch or chip up. My guess is he still wanted that second shot to go a bit further but still be beneath the green.
I think they even said that's unlike Tiger, but it fell in line with the way he played the hole with a 2-stroke lead.
I'd just have liked someone to ask him about that shot. Because, as great as Tiger is, he was sweating before that putt for par. Of course he hit it great anyway, but he seemed to me to make the hole harder than it could have been for him.
Yatqb - as I said, on the drive he took his 3 wood and probably mis-hit it a touch that caused that fade/leaker right and that is why it was on the right side of the fairway and a bit short. I suspect into him from left to right.
I do not know where the wind was coming from, but a high fade into the green with the wrong wind direction and it gets to a bad spot in the rough or bunker. I was surprised how short he was - but old golf saying - if you are going to lay up - then lay up. So go to a distance that is comfortable. And of course the approach shot was to get it on to the second level behind the pin and let the slope bring the ball back toward the pin. Below is a tough two putt.
Yes, he was not totally blocked on the 2nd shot, but there was a branch out over his line about 30/40 yards up- why mess with that by punching under or tryin to cut it around. I think he was about 185 out, so a punch under was out. Again, I do not know where the wind was coming from, but I am certain that if he thought he could comfortably get it onto the green, he would have gone for it.
Yes I would like to know what he was thinking or if he chunked that second shot, but it did not look like that to me.
Stan.. lol.
As far as the Tiger vs Jack stuff. No one has ever played golf like Tiger Woods did from 1999-2005. Whether Tiger passes Sam Snead for tour wins and Jack for majors remains to be seen. But Tiger Woods played golf at a level no one has ever come close to. Not even Jack. Tiger won 4 majors in a row.
As far as depth of field goes Jack had it easier. There are much deeper fields now.
As far as the Tiger vs Jack stuff. No one has ever played golf like Tiger Woods did from 1999-2005. Whether Tiger passes Sam Snead for tour wins and Jack for majors remains to be seen. But Tiger Woods played golf at a level no one has ever come close to. Not even Jack. Tiger won 4 majors in a row.
As far as depth of field goes Jack had it easier. There are much deeper fields now.
GOAT debates are stupid. They are impossible to settle and Tiger and Jack were great. Who is better? How can anyone know. I am a huge Federer fan in tennis and I can give you 100 reasons why Federer's career has been significantly better than Nadal's. A nadal supporter can turn around and tell me look at the head to head record, etc. We can go onl all day and the effect is stupid because there is no winner. Enjoy the game and enjoy your favorite teams and athletes. These GOAT debates have become annoying
So it was a sentimental Victory guy was left for
dead proved everyone wrong looking at nearing GOAT Staus
amazing player I shed some tears ...