almost selling the moment to the point where i think he detracted from the moment, which stood on its own. I am not a huge Tiger fan, primarily because I do think he used PEDs, not because of any attitude or that he was a dick or morality or anything like that. But, he did come back from basically not competing for years and whether this is a rebirth or a one time thing, it was a tremendous achievement for him and you have to give him that.
Can someone help me understand his iron shot on 18? Â
The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
I think he was way off to the right and just wanted to lay up to the middle, playing conservatively, since he still had 3 shots to work with. Look at how easy the shot after the one you are describing was - he put the ball perfectly in the middle. Had he gone for the green on the second shot, it could have ended badly. He only needed to shoot a 5 on the hole, so no need to gamble. Tiger 18th hole - ( New Window )
RE: Can someone help me understand his iron shot on 18? Â
The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
Lol, the announces were too busy heaping praise on Tiger to continue commentating on the last few holes of the tournament. I'm not sure what happened on that hole either. But I did think it was a bit premature to essentially anoint Tiger the winner on the 16th hole. It was still close and Koepka was a poor put away from this possibly being a playoff.
He played it safe once his drive cut the corner too close Â
The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
I think he was way off to the right and just wanted to lay up to the middle, playing conservatively, since he still had 3 shots to work with. Look at how easy the shot after the one you are describing was - he put the ball perfectly in the middle. Had he gone for the green on the second shot, it could have ended badly. He only needed to shoot a 5 on the hole, so no need to gamble. Tiger 18th hole - ( New Window )
That was pretty much my take on it too. Once Koepka missed his birdie putt on 18, it was pretty much all over.
The whole 18th for Tiger was just getting 5 or less and the announcers knew him getting it was a certainty. I can't blame them for getting caught up in the spectacle and incredible sports moment they were witnessing.
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The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
I think he was way off to the right and just wanted to lay up to the middle, playing conservatively, since he still had 3 shots to work with. Look at how easy the shot after the one you are describing was - he put the ball perfectly in the middle. Had he gone for the green on the second shot, it could have ended badly. He only needed to shoot a 5 on the hole, so no need to gamble. Tiger 18th hole - ( New Window )
That was pretty much my take on it too. Once Koepka missed his birdie putt on 18, it was pretty much all over.
The whole 18th for Tiger was just getting 5 or less and the announcers knew him getting it was a certainty. I can't blame them for getting caught up in the spectacle and incredible sports moment they were witnessing.
Oh, for sure. But the announcers gave the tournament to Tiger well before the 18th and Brooks missed putt. I was wrapped up in it too but with three holes left, I was like “umm, it ain’t over yet.” Lol, all good in the end though.
Thanks, guys. I'd have loved the announcers to speak to that. Â
The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
Lol, the announces were too busy heaping praise on Tiger to continue commentating on the last few holes of the tournament. I'm not sure what happened on that hole either. But I did think it was a bit premature to essentially anoint Tiger the winner on the 16th hole. It was still close and Koepka was a poor put away from this possibly being a playoff.
The only way for him to blow it was end up in the trees on the right or hook it left. Tiger hit his three wood instead of driver. His 3 wood is 280 to 290 but usually very straight. The wind was blowing pretty good at that point. He hit it with a little cut spin on it, probably a combination of trying to guide it and an easy swing which almost always causes cut spin.
So the ball was a little short and slightly tucked behind the trees. 10 to 15 feet left and he has a clear shot at the green. The second shot was designed to take out the bunkers and leave him a simple pitch to the middle of the green for a possible four or an almost certain five. I know that putt and so does anyone that has watched a number of Masters - it should have drifted a touch left. He hit it just where he wanted, but it never took the break - may have been wind or the slight rain.
Anyway, Tiger simply out thought the others and won by not making the big mistake. He basically stayed close enough and let the others take themselves out and took what the course gave him. He did not force a shot on the back nine and probably not during the entire round.
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it a bit more to the middle as opposed to what seemed to have been an awful slice. And he wasn't blocked from the green on the second shot; he just had to either hit a bit of slice or punch it under the tree, a relatively easy shot.
I'd just have liked someone to ask him about that shot. Because, as great as Tiger is, he was sweating before that putt for par. Of course he hit it great anyway, but he seemed to me to make the hole harder than it could have been for him.
No point at all sending it all the way up to green Â
and possibly having a buried lie in bunker or being above the hole with a wicked chip back down and sideways. That hole is like straight up hill if you have ever been there.
Smart play was to stay beneath the green and pitch or chip up. My guess is he still wanted that second shot to go a bit further but still be beneath the green.
comment on his approach to the green, though. How he used the slope to protect the shot and have it start to come back to the hole instead of going directly for the pin.
I think they even said that's unlike Tiger, but it fell in line with the way he played the hole with a 2-stroke lead.
RE: section, I'd have thought that if he was laying up he'd have played Â
it a bit more to the middle as opposed to what seemed to have been an awful slice. And he wasn't blocked from the green on the second shot; he just had to either hit a bit of slice or punch it under the tree, a relatively easy shot.
I'd just have liked someone to ask him about that shot. Because, as great as Tiger is, he was sweating before that putt for par. Of course he hit it great anyway, but he seemed to me to make the hole harder than it could have been for him.
Yatqb - as I said, on the drive he took his 3 wood and probably mis-hit it a touch that caused that fade/leaker right and that is why it was on the right side of the fairway and a bit short. I suspect into him from left to right.
I do not know where the wind was coming from, but a high fade into the green with the wrong wind direction and it gets to a bad spot in the rough or bunker. I was surprised how short he was - but old golf saying - if you are going to lay up - then lay up. So go to a distance that is comfortable. And of course the approach shot was to get it on to the second level behind the pin and let the slope bring the ball back toward the pin. Below is a tough two putt.
Yes, he was not totally blocked on the 2nd shot, but there was a branch out over his line about 30/40 yards up- why mess with that by punching under or tryin to cut it around. I think he was about 185 out, so a punch under was out. Again, I do not know where the wind was coming from, but I am certain that if he thought he could comfortably get it onto the green, he would have gone for it.
Yes I would like to know what he was thinking or if he chunked that second shot, but it did not look like that to me.
Here's the deal. The pin is on the left. There is a lot of clear room on the right. It's an easy pitch shot to the green from that angle. He didn't hit the 2nd shot well. He said there was some mud on the ball too. But he left it right where he wanted to leave it if he hit a poor shot.
As far as the Tiger vs Jack stuff. No one has ever played golf like Tiger Woods did from 1999-2005. Whether Tiger passes Sam Snead for tour wins and Jack for majors remains to be seen. But Tiger Woods played golf at a level no one has ever come close to. Not even Jack. Tiger won 4 majors in a row.
As far as depth of field goes Jack had it easier. There are much deeper fields now.
Here's the deal. The pin is on the left. There is a lot of clear room on the right. It's an easy pitch shot to the green from that angle. He didn't hit the 2nd shot well. He said there was some mud on the ball too. But he left it right where he wanted to leave it if he hit a poor shot.
As far as the Tiger vs Jack stuff. No one has ever played golf like Tiger Woods did from 1999-2005. Whether Tiger passes Sam Snead for tour wins and Jack for majors remains to be seen. But Tiger Woods played golf at a level no one has ever come close to. Not even Jack. Tiger won 4 majors in a row.
As far as depth of field goes Jack had it easier. There are much deeper fields now.
GOAT debates are stupid. They are impossible to settle and Tiger and Jack were great. Who is better? How can anyone know. I am a huge Federer fan in tennis and I can give you 100 reasons why Federer's career has been significantly better than Nadal's. A nadal supporter can turn around and tell me look at the head to head record, etc. We can go onl all day and the effect is stupid because there is no winner. Enjoy the game and enjoy your favorite teams and athletes. These GOAT debates have become annoying
But I lost a friend who missed this Epic comeback and win
So it was a sentimental Victory guy was left for
dead proved everyone wrong looking at nearing GOAT Staus
amazing player I shed some tears ...
He barely attended the masters champions dinner because of the nerve pain in his back. He was counted out as done by many including himself. His life golf swing and health were all a mess. He isn’t getting any younger. So it was simply incredible to see him get back to the summit of a major yesterday. Haters like AWOL Stan are gonna hate and he’s been far from perfect in his personal life but I’m happy for Tiger
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and terrible behavior, even for a fan site.
As they're passing judgement on who is a bad person.
Irony is not dead.
but clearly his brain is...
I think he was way off to the right and just wanted to lay up to the middle, playing conservatively, since he still had 3 shots to work with. Look at how easy the shot after the one you are describing was - he put the ball perfectly in the middle. Had he gone for the green on the second shot, it could have ended badly. He only needed to shoot a 5 on the hole, so no need to gamble.
Tiger 18th hole - ( New Window )
Lol, the announces were too busy heaping praise on Tiger to continue commentating on the last few holes of the tournament. I'm not sure what happened on that hole either. But I did think it was a bit premature to essentially anoint Tiger the winner on the 16th hole. It was still close and Koepka was a poor put away from this possibly being a playoff.
He already knew what BK ended with so...
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The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
I think he was way off to the right and just wanted to lay up to the middle, playing conservatively, since he still had 3 shots to work with. Look at how easy the shot after the one you are describing was - he put the ball perfectly in the middle. Had he gone for the green on the second shot, it could have ended badly. He only needed to shoot a 5 on the hole, so no need to gamble. Tiger 18th hole - ( New Window )
That was pretty much my take on it too. Once Koepka missed his birdie putt on 18, it was pretty much all over.
The whole 18th for Tiger was just getting 5 or less and the announcers knew him getting it was a certainty. I can't blame them for getting caught up in the spectacle and incredible sports moment they were witnessing.
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The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
I think he was way off to the right and just wanted to lay up to the middle, playing conservatively, since he still had 3 shots to work with. Look at how easy the shot after the one you are describing was - he put the ball perfectly in the middle. Had he gone for the green on the second shot, it could have ended badly. He only needed to shoot a 5 on the hole, so no need to gamble. Tiger 18th hole - ( New Window )
That was pretty much my take on it too. Once Koepka missed his birdie putt on 18, it was pretty much all over.
The whole 18th for Tiger was just getting 5 or less and the announcers knew him getting it was a certainty. I can't blame them for getting caught up in the spectacle and incredible sports moment they were witnessing.
Oh, for sure. But the announcers gave the tournament to Tiger well before the 18th and Brooks missed putt. I was wrapped up in it too but with three holes left, I was like “umm, it ain’t over yet.” Lol, all good in the end though.
Even if he put it in the bunker he'd have been there in two and wouldn't have needed to get up and down for par to win. Just really surprising to me.
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The announcers hardly commented upon it. Did it clip the tree? How else could he have come up so short of the green?
Lol, the announces were too busy heaping praise on Tiger to continue commentating on the last few holes of the tournament. I'm not sure what happened on that hole either. But I did think it was a bit premature to essentially anoint Tiger the winner on the 16th hole. It was still close and Koepka was a poor put away from this possibly being a playoff.
The only way for him to blow it was end up in the trees on the right or hook it left. Tiger hit his three wood instead of driver. His 3 wood is 280 to 290 but usually very straight. The wind was blowing pretty good at that point. He hit it with a little cut spin on it, probably a combination of trying to guide it and an easy swing which almost always causes cut spin.
So the ball was a little short and slightly tucked behind the trees. 10 to 15 feet left and he has a clear shot at the green. The second shot was designed to take out the bunkers and leave him a simple pitch to the middle of the green for a possible four or an almost certain five. I know that putt and so does anyone that has watched a number of Masters - it should have drifted a touch left. He hit it just where he wanted, but it never took the break - may have been wind or the slight rain.
Anyway, Tiger simply out thought the others and won by not making the big mistake. He basically stayed close enough and let the others take themselves out and took what the course gave him. He did not force a shot on the back nine and probably not during the entire round.
I'd just have liked someone to ask him about that shot. Because, as great as Tiger is, he was sweating before that putt for par. Of course he hit it great anyway, but he seemed to me to make the hole harder than it could have been for him.
Smart play was to stay beneath the green and pitch or chip up. My guess is he still wanted that second shot to go a bit further but still be beneath the green.
I think they even said that's unlike Tiger, but it fell in line with the way he played the hole with a 2-stroke lead.
I'd just have liked someone to ask him about that shot. Because, as great as Tiger is, he was sweating before that putt for par. Of course he hit it great anyway, but he seemed to me to make the hole harder than it could have been for him.
Yatqb - as I said, on the drive he took his 3 wood and probably mis-hit it a touch that caused that fade/leaker right and that is why it was on the right side of the fairway and a bit short. I suspect into him from left to right.
I do not know where the wind was coming from, but a high fade into the green with the wrong wind direction and it gets to a bad spot in the rough or bunker. I was surprised how short he was - but old golf saying - if you are going to lay up - then lay up. So go to a distance that is comfortable. And of course the approach shot was to get it on to the second level behind the pin and let the slope bring the ball back toward the pin. Below is a tough two putt.
Yes, he was not totally blocked on the 2nd shot, but there was a branch out over his line about 30/40 yards up- why mess with that by punching under or tryin to cut it around. I think he was about 185 out, so a punch under was out. Again, I do not know where the wind was coming from, but I am certain that if he thought he could comfortably get it onto the green, he would have gone for it.
Yes I would like to know what he was thinking or if he chunked that second shot, but it did not look like that to me.
Stan.. lol.
As far as the Tiger vs Jack stuff. No one has ever played golf like Tiger Woods did from 1999-2005. Whether Tiger passes Sam Snead for tour wins and Jack for majors remains to be seen. But Tiger Woods played golf at a level no one has ever come close to. Not even Jack. Tiger won 4 majors in a row.
As far as depth of field goes Jack had it easier. There are much deeper fields now.
As far as the Tiger vs Jack stuff. No one has ever played golf like Tiger Woods did from 1999-2005. Whether Tiger passes Sam Snead for tour wins and Jack for majors remains to be seen. But Tiger Woods played golf at a level no one has ever come close to. Not even Jack. Tiger won 4 majors in a row.
As far as depth of field goes Jack had it easier. There are much deeper fields now.
GOAT debates are stupid. They are impossible to settle and Tiger and Jack were great. Who is better? How can anyone know. I am a huge Federer fan in tennis and I can give you 100 reasons why Federer's career has been significantly better than Nadal's. A nadal supporter can turn around and tell me look at the head to head record, etc. We can go onl all day and the effect is stupid because there is no winner. Enjoy the game and enjoy your favorite teams and athletes. These GOAT debates have become annoying
So it was a sentimental Victory guy was left for
dead proved everyone wrong looking at nearing GOAT Staus
amazing player I shed some tears ...