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NFT: Game of Thrones last season starts tonight (maybe spoilers)

pjcas18 : 4/14/2019 10:21 am
can't wait, but I must admit it is a little bittersweet.

The trailers all look awesome, I've avoided redditt so I don't get any actual leaked plots.

thought I'd start a discussion thread, in case people want to discuss the final season.

Also, on a side note, this is like the old school HBO Sunday night lineups with GOT, Barry, than Veep.
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RE: Well no one has a connection with swords and crossbows.  
Amtoft : 4/16/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14388636 Zeke's Alibi said:
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It is well established the Targaryan line has a very special connection with dragons. I mean how long does it take to learn to ride a horse, but Jon is a pro now after five minutes. It would be less ridiculous if they just made it look innate.


I will totally give you, that love ride won't make him some kind of expert and now they will make it seem like he is. At least he has ridden one though. If he goes into battle with never have people including me would be like no way!
The only problem I have with Cersei  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2019 1:30 pm : link
is in the books she is the most beautiful women in Westeros.

so it's not a problem with Headley per se, who is fantastic in the role, it's the only casting miss, and it's really nitpicking.

But...she plays the role so perfectly I can get past it, but that was almost literally the only casting decision I question in a story with tons of characters that the author went in to tremendous detail describing.

the other minor casting issue for me was Brienne. She was supposed to be grotesquely hideous. Like an animal. She's definitely tall and I guess manly, but she's not as hideous as I imagined. Probably hard to just find an ugly actress without makeup/disguise.

The final casting issue I have (besides character switches) and it's more plot than casting is Tyrion at the battle of Blackwater lost his nose with I think an axe. While I didn't expect in the show he'd have no nose, I was hoping he'd be worse scarred or disfigured than he is.

it's remarkable the casting job they did overall, spot on nailed almost everyone.
RE: The only problem I have with Cersei  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 4/16/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14388673 pjcas18 said:
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is in the books she is the most beautiful women in Westeros.

so it's not a problem with Headley per se, who is fantastic in the role, it's the only casting miss, and it's really nitpicking.

But...she plays the role so perfectly I can get past it, but that was almost literally the only casting decision I question in a story with tons of characters that the author went in to tremendous detail describing.

the other minor casting issue for me was Brienne. She was supposed to be grotesquely hideous. Like an animal. She's definitely tall and I guess manly, but she's not as hideous as I imagined. Probably hard to just find an ugly actress without makeup/disguise.

The final casting issue I have (besides character switches) and it's more plot than casting is Tyrion at the battle of Blackwater lost his nose with I think an axe. While I didn't expect in the show he'd have no nose, I was hoping he'd be worse scarred or disfigured than he is.

it's remarkable the casting job they did overall, spot on nailed almost everyone.


I've been saying that about Cersei the whole time. Lena Headey is a fantastic actress and she has been perfect in the role, but from a physical standpoint and the description of the character in the books, she just doesn't fit. I'm not going to go so far as to call her unattractive, but she probably doesn't even crack the top 10 most attractive actresses on GoT alone.
They weren't casting for the books.  
Mr. Bungle : 4/16/2019 2:07 pm : link
They were casting for the show. Cersei was never described in the show as the most beautiful of women, so Headey didn't need to match that.

Tyrion is described as hideous in the books, with mismatched eyes and grotesque facial features. But not in the show. So Dinklage doesn't match that.

Daenerys was a teenager in the first book. Clarke wasn't, because Daenerys on the show wasn't a teenager.

And so on and so on.
yeah I think most of that is a given  
UConn4523 : 4/16/2019 2:09 pm : link
Dany though I think nudity played a factor. They clearly went all in on it for the show and needed someone older. I don't really compare the characters when watching, but they did end up nailing most of them.
I have no idea  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2019 2:15 pm : link
what that post even means Bungle. Seems like you are trying to be adversarial for no real reason.

When there is a show or movie based on a book, people have often times previously read the book or books..

Based on reading a book, some people (many or most?) create a mental image of what the character looks like based on the author's description of the characters.

The show Game of Thrones casting team nailed almost every one of the mental images created by book readers IMO.

With the few exceptions I noted (for me).

that was it.

whatever you posted, thank you for that, no clue what purpose it served other than to be a dick for some reason. I guess. Really not sure what you were going for with that post.
Emilia Clarke isn't a good actress, but I do admire learning the  
Anakim : 4/16/2019 2:27 pm : link
"Dothraki language." I mean the way she delivers certain Dothraki lines shows that she really knows what she's saying.

But yes, she's quite wooden and not very rangy. She has a great personality away from the show, though.
I agree on Cersei  
RobCarpenter : 4/16/2019 2:30 pm : link
When I read the books I imagined Cersei as the kind of woman that everyone, and I mean, everyone, notices when she is in the room b/c of her beauty. Someone like Charlize Theron or Margot Robbie. Someone you can't not notice.

That's not a criticism of Headey's abilty as an actress, but she is not in the same league in terms of looks as the other two women I mentioned.
Pffft.  
Anakim : 4/16/2019 2:30 pm : link
Lena Headey is for sure in the top-10. I think you're just too used to seeing her with her short hair "Joan of Arc" haircut to remember that she was a hottie with long hair. She's gorgeous with her natural black hair.
RE: Emilia Clarke isn't a good actress, but I do admire learning the  
PatersonPlank : 4/16/2019 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14388766 Anakim said:
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"Dothraki language." I mean the way she delivers certain Dothraki lines shows that she really knows what she's saying.

But yes, she's quite wooden and not very rangy. She has a great personality away from the show, though.


Plus she looks good naked, which is the major requirement for the role of Dany.
RE: Pffft.  
PatersonPlank : 4/16/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14388775 Anakim said:
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Lena Headey is for sure in the top-10. I think you're just too used to seeing her with her short hair "Joan of Arc" haircut to remember that she was a hottie with long hair. She's gorgeous with her natural black hair.


+1. She looked much hotter in 300. Not sure she's a top 10, but she's pretty hot
RE: RE: Pffft.  
RobCarpenter : 4/16/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14388779 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 14388775 Anakim said:


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Lena Headey is for sure in the top-10. I think you're just too used to seeing her with her short hair "Joan of Arc" haircut to remember that she was a hottie with long hair. She's gorgeous with her natural black hair.

+1. She looked much hotter in 300. Not sure she's a top 10, but she's pretty hot


The problem is that Cersei is a hot blonde in the books. And as a blonde Headey is just pretty, but not gorgeous.
I think it's ok  
Mike from SI : 4/16/2019 2:57 pm : link
considering how great Heady has done portraying Cersei.

I'm ok with Tyrion not having his nose chopped off, Brienne not being a beast, the Targs not having purple eyes, etc.; would probably be too distracting. I actually get distracted by Viserys' and Rhaegar's silver hair. It looks fine on Dany but weird on them.
RE: Pffft.  
UConn4523 : 4/16/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14388775 Anakim said:
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Lena Headey is for sure in the top-10. I think you're just too used to seeing her with her short hair "Joan of Arc" haircut to remember that she was a hottie with long hair. She's gorgeous with her natural black hair.


Her teeth, i can't unsee them. Not really a fan of hers. Whores like Ros are hotter.
RE: Why did Cersei  
santacruzom : 4/16/2019 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14387643 pjcas18 said:
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want the elephants so badly?


Probably just because they are so formidable in battle, until they get spooked and run amok.
I think the point with Tyrion is simple - they weren't going  
mfsd : 4/16/2019 3:02 pm : link
to make Dinklage play the role with enough makeup to show his scar/disfigured nose for 6 full seasons after he gets the axe to the face. They've shown a slight scar, fading each season, that's enough for book accuracy IMO

While Headey may not rise high enough on the hot scale for some of you guys, I think she's played the bad "guy" role really well - especially last season, the way she mocked/lectured Jamie. The short hair wig has really been a poor choice though

I'd agree Emilia Clarke is on the weaker end of a very strong cast from an acting perspective, but she's handled it reasonably well. And she's got the cute-hot thing down cold.

As silly as the dragon riding date was, she was giving Jon some super hot looks during that sequence
I said it was  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2019 3:08 pm : link
nitpicking, but they were observations I made.


Sansa is MUCH better looking as a blonde (i.e. in real life)  
Anakim : 4/16/2019 3:17 pm : link
As a redhead, she's thoroughly average.

It's also crazy that she's only a year older than Maisie Williams
RE: RE: Pffft.  
Anakim : 4/16/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14388826 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14388775 Anakim said:


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Lena Headey is for sure in the top-10. I think you're just too used to seeing her with her short hair "Joan of Arc" haircut to remember that she was a hottie with long hair. She's gorgeous with her natural black hair.



Her teeth, i can't unsee them. Not really a fan of hers. Whores like Ros are hotter.


Shay was a real hottie. That Miranda chick that was jealous of Sansa when she was with Ramsey was cute too.
ask 10 different guys  
GiantsLaw : 4/16/2019 3:30 pm : link
and you'll get 10 different "hottest" lists.
Not sure if you guys watch the  
Mike from SI : 4/16/2019 3:31 pm : link
Ozzyman review of Thrones, but they're usually worth a few chuckles.
Link - ( New Window )
I hated shea  
UConn4523 : 4/16/2019 3:33 pm : link
donít think sheís all that great looking and she was a shitty actress.
So regarding Tyrion - I think something is up with him but I can't  
PatersonPlank : 4/16/2019 3:42 pm : link
figure out what. All through the first 5 or 6 seasons he was a master strategist, now he's wrong all the time. Its even to the point where Sansa looked at him, and called him an idiot for believing Cerzi would send her army. I'm beginning to believe he has some kind of secret, underlying plan (maybe in concert with Jaime, or Cerzi), and is taking these short term losses/mistakes to win at the end.
Btw  
Mike from SI : 4/16/2019 3:49 pm : link
I was just thinking, the most out-there betrayal or wow moment:
- North loses battle of Winterfell
- they retreat south to prepare for final battle
- Jon meets Melisandre and she convinces him of her prophecies
- Jon puts his sword through Dany to forge Lightbringer

That would be bonkers. Doubt that's what it is for many reasons, but that would be nuts.
RE: Btw  
Anakim : 4/16/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14388943 Mike from SI said:
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I was just thinking, the most out-there betrayal or wow moment:
- North loses battle of Winterfell
- they retreat south to prepare for final battle
- Jon meets Melisandre and she convinces him of her prophecies
- Jon puts his sword through Dany to forge Lightbringer

That would be bonkers. Doubt that's what it is for many reasons, but that would be nuts.


I think Sansa aligning with Sersei to take down Jon and Dany would be huge.
RE: I have no idea  
Mr. Bungle : 4/16/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14388747 pjcas18 said:
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what that post even means Bungle. Seems like you are trying to be adversarial for no real reason.

When there is a show or movie based on a book, people have often times previously read the book or books..

Based on reading a book, some people (many or most?) create a mental image of what the character looks like based on the author's description of the characters.

The show Game of Thrones casting team nailed almost every one of the mental images created by book readers IMO.

With the few exceptions I noted (for me).

that was it.

whatever you posted, thank you for that, no clue what purpose it served other than to be a dick for some reason. I guess. Really not sure what you were going for with that post.

It was a direct response to the point that Headey doesn't match the book description of Cersei. I have no idea why you would get so hypersensitive over that. Really bizarre.
RE: Pjcas18: I think the kid at the beginning of S8E1...  
Anakim : 4/16/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14387598 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...was intended to echo Arya in S1E1, not Bran. Hence the cut to Arya letting the kid through. BTW, I thought Williams was great in this episode. She even made the dumb rom-com banter with Gendry work.



Didn't Robert say to Ned in Season One that he had a son and Ned has a daughter so their houses could/should be one? They're clearly planting the seeds for a Gendry/Arya union.
Cersei  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2019 4:00 pm : link
and Sansa aligning would make zero sense.

doesn't mean it won't happen, but after the shit Cersei did to Sansa, what would be her motivation to ally with her against what she believes is her brother, but is actually her first cousin.

That type of scheming can't happen in 5 remaining episodes IMO.

RE: Cersei  
Mike from SI : 4/16/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14388963 pjcas18 said:
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and Sansa aligning would make zero sense.

doesn't mean it won't happen, but after the shit Cersei did to Sansa, what would be her motivation to ally with her against what she believes is her brother, but is actually her first cousin.

That type of scheming can't happen in 5 remaining episodes IMO.

I agree. I can totally see Sansa being the one who pulls some big betrayal, but not to align with Cersei. Cersei still half believes that Sansa is responsible for Joffrey's death, and Sansa is smart enough to know that Cersei will never forgive her and is not to be trusted.
RE: So regarding Tyrion - I think something is up with him but I can't  
UConn4523 : 4/16/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14388930 PatersonPlank said:
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figure out what. All through the first 5 or 6 seasons he was a master strategist, now he's wrong all the time. Its even to the point where Sansa looked at him, and called him an idiot for believing Cerzi would send her army. I'm beginning to believe he has some kind of secret, underlying plan (maybe in concert with Jaime, or Cerzi), and is taking these short term losses/mistakes to win at the end.


Cahoots with Littlefinger!!!!!
I can definitely  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2019 4:11 pm : link
see Sansa betraying Jon and Dany and splintering the north, they beat that over our heads Sunday night.

I always felt like Sansa was an afterthought character, one who serves a purpose but is not "in the game" for the iron throne, but they really want you to put her in the game (in your mind at least).

and no one has endured as much as her. She's a survivor.

Let's not forget she was married to Joffrey, Tyrion, and Ramsey. she had her pet slaughtered, watched her father beheaded, learned from her abusive husband that her mother and brother were murdered in a cold blooded betrayal, her two younger brothers were burned alive (so she thought) - and then when she learned they were not burned alive she was forced to watch one murdered, and her sister was unaccounted for. and probably more.
RE: I can definitely  
Kyle in NY : 4/16/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14388976 pjcas18 said:
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see Sansa betraying Jon and Dany and splintering the north, they beat that over our heads Sunday night.

I always felt like Sansa was an afterthought character, one who serves a purpose but is not "in the game" for the iron throne, but they really want you to put her in the game (in your mind at least).

and no one has endured as much as her. She's a survivor.

Let's not forget she was married to Joffrey, Tyrion, and Ramsey. she had her pet slaughtered, watched her father beheaded, learned from her abusive husband that her mother and brother were murdered in a cold blooded betrayal, her two younger brothers were burned alive (so she thought) - and then when she learned they were not burned alive she was forced to watch one murdered, and her sister was unaccounted for. and probably more.


Sansa is the character that has come the furthest for me in terms of how she's grown personally and how much I've come to respect and appreciate her from the somewhat annoying teenager she was early on. A fantastic story arc. She was the one who truly saved The North
RE: Sansa is MUCH better looking as a blonde (i.e. in real life)  
RobCarpenter : 4/16/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14388857 Anakim said:
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As a redhead, she's thoroughly average.

It's also crazy that she's only a year older than Maisie Williams


The two of them have been best friends since season 1. It's just that Sophie Turner got taller and Maisie Williams never did.

But to me - I'm team Margarey  
RobCarpenter : 4/16/2019 4:22 pm : link
I can't see Sansa betraying her family  
GiantsLaw : 4/16/2019 4:22 pm : link
but I can see her sitting on the Iron Throne.
RE: RE: I can definitely  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14388984 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 14388976 pjcas18 said:


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see Sansa betraying Jon and Dany and splintering the north, they beat that over our heads Sunday night.

I always felt like Sansa was an afterthought character, one who serves a purpose but is not "in the game" for the iron throne, but they really want you to put her in the game (in your mind at least).

and no one has endured as much as her. She's a survivor.

Let's not forget she was married to Joffrey, Tyrion, and Ramsey. she had her pet slaughtered, watched her father beheaded, learned from her abusive husband that her mother and brother were murdered in a cold blooded betrayal, her two younger brothers were burned alive (so she thought) - and then when she learned they were not burned alive she was forced to watch one murdered, and her sister was unaccounted for. and probably more.



Sansa is the character that has come the furthest for me in terms of how she's grown personally and how much I've come to respect and appreciate her from the somewhat annoying teenager she was early on. A fantastic story arc. She was the one who truly saved The North


I go back and forth between Sansa and Jaime wrt story arc.

He's gone from hated villain to set up to be hero.
RE: Btw  
mfsd : 4/16/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14388943 Mike from SI said:
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I was just thinking, the most out-there betrayal or wow moment:
- North loses battle of Winterfell
- they retreat south to prepare for final battle
- Jon meets Melisandre and she convinces him of her prophecies
- Jon puts his sword through Dany to forge Lightbringer

That would be bonkers. Doubt that's what it is for many reasons, but that would be nuts.


What if Dany gets killed by the Night King and brought back as a wight, and Jon has to do what you say to fulfill the prophecy?

I have a suspicion at least one main character will die and come back as part of the army of the dead
RE: But to me - I'm team Margarey  
PatersonPlank : 4/16/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14388989 RobCarpenter said:
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Hunger Games with a shaved head.


RE: RE: But to me - I'm team Margarey  
PatersonPlank : 4/16/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14389007 PatersonPlank said:
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Hunger Games with a shaved head.



RE: RE: But to me - I'm team Margarey  
Anakim : 4/16/2019 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14389007 PatersonPlank said:
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Hunger Games with a shaved head.



As Anne Boleyn in the Tudors


It's funny because the way she acts and even the way she looks screams villain, but she never became one as Marg Tyrell.
It's that thing she does with her lip  
RobCarpenter : 4/16/2019 5:09 pm : link
that gets me.
RE: It's that thing she does with her lip  
UConn4523 : 4/16/2019 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14389054 RobCarpenter said:
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that gets me.


Canít stand her either. Back of the list for me. Give me Ygritte over her.
Jammie and bran beginning of episode 2  
eli4life : 4/16/2019 6:08 pm : link
RE: Jammie and bran beginning of episode 2  
Amtoft : 4/16/2019 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14389117 eli4life said:
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Hahaha ok I laughed!
RE: The only problem I have with Cersei  
Jay on the Island : 4/17/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14388673 pjcas18 said:
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is in the books she is the most beautiful women in Westeros.

so it's not a problem with Headley per se, who is fantastic in the role, it's the only casting miss, and it's really nitpicking.

But...she plays the role so perfectly I can get past it, but that was almost literally the only casting decision I question in a story with tons of characters that the author went in to tremendous detail describing.

the other minor casting issue for me was Brienne. She was supposed to be grotesquely hideous. Like an animal. She's definitely tall and I guess manly, but she's not as hideous as I imagined. Probably hard to just find an ugly actress without makeup/disguise.

The final casting issue I have (besides character switches) and it's more plot than casting is Tyrion at the battle of Blackwater lost his nose with I think an axe. While I didn't expect in the show he'd have no nose, I was hoping he'd be worse scarred or disfigured than he is.

it's remarkable the casting job they did overall, spot on nailed almost everyone.

pj, I know it was only for one scene but the one casting decision that bothered me the most was Rhaegar Targaryen. Rhaegar was supposed to be the most handsome man in Westeros but he just looked like a weird older version of Viserys.
RE: Jammie and bran beginning of episode 2  
Jay on the Island : 4/17/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14389117 eli4life said:
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Holy shit I nearly spit my coffee all over the computer screen.
RE: RE: The only problem I have with Cersei  
Kyle in NY : 4/17/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14389755 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14388673 pjcas18 said:


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is in the books she is the most beautiful women in Westeros.

so it's not a problem with Headley per se, who is fantastic in the role, it's the only casting miss, and it's really nitpicking.

But...she plays the role so perfectly I can get past it, but that was almost literally the only casting decision I question in a story with tons of characters that the author went in to tremendous detail describing.

the other minor casting issue for me was Brienne. She was supposed to be grotesquely hideous. Like an animal. She's definitely tall and I guess manly, but she's not as hideous as I imagined. Probably hard to just find an ugly actress without makeup/disguise.

The final casting issue I have (besides character switches) and it's more plot than casting is Tyrion at the battle of Blackwater lost his nose with I think an axe. While I didn't expect in the show he'd have no nose, I was hoping he'd be worse scarred or disfigured than he is.

it's remarkable the casting job they did overall, spot on nailed almost everyone.


pj, I know it was only for one scene but the one casting decision that bothered me the most was Rhaegar Targaryen. Rhaegar was supposed to be the most handsome man in Westeros but he just looked like a weird older version of Viserys.


Yes! This one bothered me too. I'm fascinated by Rhaegar and his motivations and found myself disappointed they'd seemingly just reused the Viserys wig with a plain looking guy. If they have more flashbacks with him I hope they recast
RE: RE: The only problem I have with Cersei  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14389755 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14388673 pjcas18 said:


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is in the books she is the most beautiful women in Westeros.

so it's not a problem with Headley per se, who is fantastic in the role, it's the only casting miss, and it's really nitpicking.

But...she plays the role so perfectly I can get past it, but that was almost literally the only casting decision I question in a story with tons of characters that the author went in to tremendous detail describing.

the other minor casting issue for me was Brienne. She was supposed to be grotesquely hideous. Like an animal. She's definitely tall and I guess manly, but she's not as hideous as I imagined. Probably hard to just find an ugly actress without makeup/disguise.

The final casting issue I have (besides character switches) and it's more plot than casting is Tyrion at the battle of Blackwater lost his nose with I think an axe. While I didn't expect in the show he'd have no nose, I was hoping he'd be worse scarred or disfigured than he is.

it's remarkable the casting job they did overall, spot on nailed almost everyone.


pj, I know it was only for one scene but the one casting decision that bothered me the most was Rhaegar Targaryen. Rhaegar was supposed to be the most handsome man in Westeros but he just looked like a weird older version of Viserys.


Yeah, I noticed this too, definitely agree, but like the others being nitpicking I felt this was too and more so, since it was one scene
I've read a theory  
Jay on the Island : 4/17/2019 10:51 am : link
that Jaime is actually Azor Ahai and the theory is very interesting. I don't think it's accurate but there are several great points supporting this theory.
RE: I've read a theory  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14389880 Jay on the Island said:
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that Jaime is actually Azor Ahai and the theory is very interesting. I don't think it's accurate but there are several great points supporting this theory.


Haven't read it, but again, the theory of Azor Ahai if you believe Azhor Ahai = the prince who was to be promised can only be Jon Snow or Daenerys

even if you subscribe to the theory that Jaime and Cersei are Targaryen's too many other boxes are not checked.
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