can't wait, but I must admit it is a little bittersweet.
The trailers all look awesome, I've avoided redditt so I don't get any actual leaked plots.
thought I'd start a discussion thread, in case people want to discuss the final season.
Also, on a side note, this is like the old school HBO Sunday night lineups with GOT, Barry, than Veep.
I'm reasonably confident the ending will be done well for 2 reasons:
1. I'd imagine it's 1 of the things that Martin has basically done entirely on his own (at least structurally). Those moments ("the door") have tended to be the "holy shit" episodes, along with the crazy battle episodes.
2. the directors of most episodes this season are the guys who have directed all of the great episodes - 5 of the 6 final episodes are from Sapochnik and Nutter whose credits include the Red Wedding, Hardhome, Battle of the Bastards, and Winds of Winter (and then the final ep is directed by Benioff and Weiss).
So while I expect the story to end in a bittersweet way, it should be done really well and the battles will probably be epic.
I think a lot of people are gonna die.
"According to prophecy, our champion will be reborn to wake dragons from stone and reforge the great sword Lightbringer that defeated the darkness those thousands of years ago. If the old tales are true, a terrible weapon forged with a loving wife's heart. But great power requires great sacrifice. That much at least the Lord of Light is Clear on."
And from Millesandre. Paraphrasing, "You will betray your family and all that you hold dear."
The video theorized that the reference to a "great sword" was meant metaphorically but I'm thinking it was literal. I'm thinking perhaps Thoros was using the noun, not the adjective, and that this great-sword (two handed sword) was actually Ned Stark's Ice that was melted down into Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper. Widow's Wail disappeared for awhile but appears to have popped up in Jaime's possession (I googled) in a few seasons. Could be that Danny (wife's heart?) will use a Drogon to reforge Lightbringer from Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper. And Jon will have a cool new toy to start kickin ass with :)
Link - ( New Window )
I am hoping the ending is not simply who ends up on the Iron Throne. Dani’s arc has been that of someone who wants to break the wheel. Jon is not interested in being King. The ending should be a much larger transformation of that world than simply who wins.
Why Not? If they offer some insight and better understanding it makes for better immersion into the final episodes.
Very much looking forward to tonight.
"According to prophecy, our champion will be reborn to wake dragons from stone and reforge the great sword Lightbringer that defeated the darkness those thousands of years ago. If the old tales are true, a terrible weapon forged with a loving wife's heart. But great power requires great sacrifice. That much at least the Lord of Light is Clear on."
And from Millesandre. Paraphrasing, "You will betray your family and all that you hold dear."
The video theorized that the reference to a "great sword" was meant metaphorically but I'm thinking it was literal. I'm thinking perhaps Thoros was using the noun, not the adjective, and that this great-sword (two handed sword) was actually Ned Stark's Ice that was melted down into Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper. Widow's Wail disappeared for awhile but appears to have popped up in Jaime's possession (I googled) in a few seasons. Could be that Danny (wife's heart?) will use a Drogon to reforge Lightbringer from Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper. And Jon will have a cool new toy to start kickin ass with :) Link - ( New Window )
This is referring to the legend of Azor Ahai and Nisa Nisa, which has been referrenced a number of times over the past 7 seasons. The last time supposedly the whitewalkers attacked, Azor Ahai beat them by forging a special sword that became magic when he plunged into his wife's (Nisa Nisa) heart as a sacrifice. If you subscibe to the this then maybe Jon Snow plunges it into the heart of Melisndre? Or Dany?
I do like where the main protagonists arcs are heading, to the poster above Dany seems to want to break the cycle, not sure if that is her sitting in the Iron Throne or completely dismantling the structure of the 7 Kingdoms. Jon has no interest in ruling either. Makes for an interesting ending when you figure those two are the greatest likelihood to be leading/uniting Westeros in the end.
Can’t wait to watch the final season! Wish I rewatched more episodes, but overall glad there will be some closure to this story something Martin doesn’t really care to do I the books.
I don’t know how it will end, but I am hoping from something more than Jon and Dany win, the white walkers are defeated, and everyone lives happily ever after. Thankfully I don’t think they will do that.
:)
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what will ultimately transpire? Here's a great quote from Red Priest Thoros of Myr.
Would be consistent with betraying family.
"According to prophecy, our champion will be reborn to wake dragons from stone and reforge the great sword Lightbringer that defeated the darkness those thousands of years ago. If the old tales are true, a terrible weapon forged with a loving wife's heart. But great power requires great sacrifice. That much at least the Lord of Light is Clear on."
And from Millesandre. Paraphrasing, "You will betray your family and all that you hold dear."
The video theorized that the reference to a "great sword" was meant metaphorically but I'm thinking it was literal. I'm thinking perhaps Thoros was using the noun, not the adjective, and that this great-sword (two handed sword) was actually Ned Stark's Ice that was melted down into Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper. Widow's Wail disappeared for awhile but appears to have popped up in Jaime's possession (I googled) in a few seasons. Could be that Danny (wife's heart?) will use a Drogon to reforge Lightbringer from Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper. And Jon will have a cool new toy to start kickin ass with :) Link - ( New Window )
This is referring to the legend of Azor Ahai and Nisa Nisa, which has been referrenced a number of times over the past 7 seasons. The last time supposedly the whitewalkers attacked, Azor Ahai beat them by forging a special sword that became magic when he plunged into his wife's (Nisa Nisa) heart as a sacrifice. If you subscibe to the this then maybe Jon Snow plunges it into the heart of Melisndre? Or Dany?
Quote:
what will ultimately transpire? Here's a great quote from Red Priest Thoros of Myr.
This would be consistent with the betraying of family part of the prophecy.
"According to prophecy, our champion will be reborn to wake dragons from stone and reforge the great sword Lightbringer that defeated the darkness those thousands of years ago. If the old tales are true, a terrible weapon forged with a loving wife's heart. But great power requires great sacrifice. That much at least the Lord of Light is Clear on."
And from Millesandre. Paraphrasing, "You will betray your family and all that you hold dear."
The video theorized that the reference to a "great sword" was meant metaphorically but I'm thinking it was literal. I'm thinking perhaps Thoros was using the noun, not the adjective, and that this great-sword (two handed sword) was actually Ned Stark's Ice that was melted down into Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper. Widow's Wail disappeared for awhile but appears to have popped up in Jaime's possession (I googled) in a few seasons. Could be that Danny (wife's heart?) will use a Drogon to reforge Lightbringer from Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper. And Jon will have a cool new toy to start kickin ass with :) Link - ( New Window )
This is referring to the legend of Azor Ahai and Nisa Nisa, which has been referrenced a number of times over the past 7 seasons. The last time supposedly the whitewalkers attacked, Azor Ahai beat them by forging a special sword that became magic when he plunged into his wife's (Nisa Nisa) heart as a sacrifice. If you subscibe to the this then maybe Jon Snow plunges it into the heart of Melisndre? Or Dany?
The theories of how Arya was going to fool/escape the Waif/Terminator were all wrong because they needed to quickly move on. The theories of how Doran would plot and scheme his way into the war for the Iron Throne were all wrong because they needed to quickly move on.
Dany was overwhelmed by a dozen Khals in Vaes Dothrak and escaped by fire ex machina. Jon was overwhelmed by the Boltons at the Battle of the Bastards and was saved by Knights of the Vale ex machina. Jon was overwhelmed by the Army of the Dead and was saved by dragons ex machina.
Littlefinger’s corpse doing a Scooby Doo Let’s-See-Who-You-Really-Are doesn’t do much in service to wrapping up the wars to come, and they don’t have time for it.
Please don’t take this as a “Dave and Dan are hacks! George is the greatest living writer (who may or may not have written a single sentence in 8 years)! I’m not that guy. There are practical realities here for a huge show/story that is late in its third act. Don’t overthink it. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.
As for Littlefinger being obsessed with Sansa, could all be an act. It was an act for Lysa, we’ve already seen it. I believe his love for anyone died with Cat.
As for Littlefinger being obsessed with Sansa, could all be an act. It was an act for Lysa, we’ve already seen it. I believe his love for anyone died with Cat.
Introduce him to lady stoneheart.
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Just to be accurate 30%=95% of bbi
Still waiting for the last book anyone? Him and his kindred spirit Rothfuss write like they work for the government. Seriously. We got a
Man to the moon faster.
Doubt the Littlefinger thing happens but making his character so short sighted in the end was one of a few things that really soured me on the show. I get that they ran out of source but its weird they couldn't get a decent writer to write a satisfying last act for the character.
eventually maybe but I think end of 2020 is the earliest we’d see book 6.
you mean immediately after? I don't think so. It would be a nice surprise though.
Sometime in the next 20 years after, possibly. It's only been 8 years since we had a GOT book.
Last I heard Martin when asked about a release date said "it will done when it's done"
Now I think it would be a weird move because he’s a boring character with a very low approval rating. But that’s my out there guess.
I am rooting for Cersei to win somehow but I doubt that happens.
The main thing I really hope for is that they deal with the white walkers/army of the dead somehow by mid season. And then the last few episodes are just the people dealing with each other. My rationale is that the white walkers are not interesting, not developed as characters in any way, and basically feel very gimmicky. They have been a necessary plot vehicle as this sort of looming crisis or doom that overshadows all of the comparatively petty human squabbles, but I don’t think the dead army will work as the focal point of the show or the final boss or whatever.
Now I think it would be a weird move because he’s a boring character with a very low approval rating. But that’s my out there guess.
I am rooting for Cersei to win somehow but I doubt that happens.
The main thing I really hope for is that they deal with the white walkers/army of the dead somehow by mid season. And then the last few episodes are just the people dealing with each other. My rationale is that the white walkers are not interesting, not developed as characters in any way, and basically feel very gimmicky. They have been a necessary plot vehicle as this sort of looming crisis or doom that overshadows all of the comparatively petty human squabbles, but I don’t think the dead army will work as the focal point of the show or the final boss or whatever.
I doubt Stannis is alive. Brianne would not let him live. She made a vow to kill Stannis for killing Remly and as we all know she is as honorable as anyone in the show. If she made a vow she is going to keep it. Also Stephen Dillane who played Stannis did not like the show or his performance as Stannis.
I think you will get your wish with the white walkers. I think that they will be the first threat that will be dealt with obviously. I have a feeling Cersei is going to march her army north in an attempt to catch Jon Snow and Dany off guard. They will still be recovering from their grueling battle with the white walkers and then have to immediately battle Cersei without little time to prepare.
Frankly even if Bran is the Night King I think that is not enough, Bran has had minimal screen time for such a central role and his story is not interesting.
The biggest wild cards to me seem to clearly be the origins of the night king/relationship with the starks and what happens with the golden company. I'm sure there will be other twists but those are the 2 major plotlines that have been setup for a while. Both are kind of hanging over everything the same way the knights of the vale were prior to the battle of the bastards. And yeah, I'm expecting a lot of main characters to die including at least 1 of Jon/Dany. Probably Jon because he's almost gotten himself killed in every season.
Didn’t little finger give coins to someone from the Hall of Faces? I would bet he paid someone to die for him.
That's really par for the course. How many great series ended up with great endings. Hard to achieve.
But very excited nonetheless.
Tonight is 54 minutes, episode 2 is 58 minutes, and then the last 4 are all about 80 minutes.
BY the way, the assumption is that Jon is the Prince who was promised. But, what if it is not him? There are a number of possibilities that it could be.
BY the way, the assumption is that Jon is the Prince who was promised. But, what if it is not him? There are a number of possibilities that it could be.
I think the Prince is Jamie
Frankly even if Bran is the Night King I think that is not enough, Bran has had minimal screen time for such a central role and his story is not interesting.
Same view, don’t really care about the Night King. I’d like that to be done early and not saved for the finale.
BY the way, the assumption is that Jon is the Prince who was promised. But, what if it is not him? There are a number of possibilities that it could be.
Keep thinking back to when Tyrion was on his way to see Dany, and the priest started looking at him when she was talking about a savior.