can't wait, but I must admit it is a little bittersweet.
The trailers all look awesome, I've avoided redditt so I don't get any actual leaked plots.
thought I'd start a discussion thread, in case people want to discuss the final season.
Also, on a side note, this is like the old school HBO Sunday night lineups with GOT, Barry, than Veep.
Im sure things will speed up shortly and then we can hear all about the "pacing".
Which we knew already.
Btw, I did a Thrones death pool for $20. Considering no one important died, if you didn't, you should get in! I picked like 70% of characters dying lol.
I would prefer the show go on a couple of more seasons, but as long as we know when it's going to end (relatively soon..6.5 hours or material), it seems like they did a very solid job setting this up.
I sense it will all feel a lot less rushed and now be able to really go in high gear for the rest of the remaining episodes. Sure, I wanted a lot more to be revealed tonight and am now detoxing hard after waiting so long, but the rest are going to be epic, especially the big Winterfell battle in Ep. 3 in 2 weeks.
BTW, shouldn't Danerys have been more upset about her dragon being undead now?!!? Oh well!!!
Yeah, nothing a little lighthearted dragon race followed by sex can't fix I guess.
This times 1000. There is no time for a recap episode. Get down to it. Very disappointing.
And uhhh, Jon and The Queen would have frozen to death and or suffocated on those dragons. So dumb.
Next week appears to have more setup and teasing of action before the real battle starts in episode 3.
Arya with her shape-shifting is gonna be huge during the rest of the series.
After Dany told (can't recall his name) that she killed his father and brother - how much of his reaction to the Jon's right to teh throne was driven by Jon's right or being pissed about his father's & brother's death. She had a very strange reaction afetr she told him - almost like...I don't know, can't put my finger on it.
And as usual, Sersei is one bad bitch!
On a side note, the chances of Littlefinger coming back got slimmer. I thought for a split second it could have been him on the horseback instead of Jaime but that's what I get for getting my hopes up.
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This felt like a wasted one
This times 1000. There is no time for a recap episode. Get down to it. Very disappointing.
And uhhh, Jon and The Queen would have frozen to death and or suffocated on those dragons. So dumb.
It should also be super-windy. There shouldn't be a light breeze blowing through their hair while they're soaring on a dragon.
I liked the Aria/Jon scene. I was looking forward to it and they didn't go over the top mushy. For me most of the reunion scenes went well.
The show needed to address the issues that arose in the last few seasons. Jon is a leader without ambition and motivated only by his love of his people. The Northerners are not going to love Dany. They see her as a foreign queen with an invading army. There will be big time tension when everyone knows that Jon is the rightful heir to the Iron throne.
Thought there were some really funny lines last night: When Cyburn tells Bron that one of the girls that had just clinbed off of him is so beautiful but she'll be dead of the pox in a few months. Bron with a voice of concern for his own health: Which one?
Cersai: I wanted those elephants
Bran, in the scene before Jamie arrives, is asked by Sam what are you doing out here (in the cold). I'm waiting for an old friend
On a side note, the chances of Littlefinger coming back got slimmer. I thought for a split second it could have been him on the horseback instead of Jaime but that's what I get for getting my hopes up.
IMO Littlefinger is dead. If we see him again it will be as a manifestation of one the faces in Arya's collection.
Not very queen-like, was it?
Last night felt like filler when they could have really used the episode more to (1) introduce characters to each other who had never met, and (2) re-introduce characters to each other who hadn't seen each in years.
As mentioned above, it's almost as if the TV producers were a bit lost in what direction to take the characters without the guidance of a book.
Also looks like we’ll have to wait till the end of the show for the long anticipated Clegane Bowl
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He's a Targaryen...
Which we knew already.
But Danys doesn't. She should be more shocked than she is. Although, she is a very wooden actress anyway.
Im sure things will speed up shortly and then we can hear all about the "pacing".
It's funny. I feel like posters have been saying that the first episode sucked or was boring or whatever and you making this exact same post for the past many seasons. Not a criticism of either party but it feels like it's a routine pattern.
On a side note, I’ve read of some people predicting Arya dies in the battle of Winterfell. I don’t buy their logic....someone has to go.... I would be devastated if that happened because not only is Arya the most exciting character for me, but I believe she is also the one most capable to shock us and giving us a wow moment to talk about the day after the episode runs.
The dragon riding scene was unnecessary. I know in the books it is clear that only Targaryans can ride them, but has that ever been a thing in the show? The show has much less background on the Targaryans. And would Jon even need to ride one into battle? Wouldn't he be better on the ground commanding troops? The dragons seem to know what they are doing without someone telling them. "That's the enemy, fry them!"
I have a feeling Jon will not tell Dany what he knows for a while and they will drag this out, and she will be forced to show whether she will yield to his claim to the throne, or whether he will yield it to her anyway. I don't think they battle for it.
Not very queen-like, was it?
Last night felt like filler when they could have really used the episode more to (1) introduce characters to each other who had never met, and (2) re-introduce characters to each other who hadn't seen each in years.
As mentioned above, it's almost as if the TV producers were a bit lost in what direction to take the characters without the guidance of a book.
They have been without book guidance for two seasons before this one.
In the books, Jon Snow being murdered by the Nights Watch and Olly at Castle Black is the last thing to happen.
the dialogue is just poorly written. like eric said, how does dany not address everyone with jon? why does jon not defend dany more to his people other than just saying she's a powerful ally? really no talk about her uniting the dothraki and freeing the people of mereen and slavers bay and saving his life? he's in love with her and that's all he has to say?
they tried too hard to pay homage to earlier episodes. the kid climbing like bran did in the opening season. the springs with dany and jon and some of the same line used with jon and ygritte. i wish they would have just made the dialogue better in other scenes instead of paying attention to things like that.
the dragon riding scene was ok with me but was just a little cheesy. although i did enjoy the drogon part of him staring at jon as cheesy as that was.
all of the reunions fell flat for me except jon and sam and tyrion and sansa and i was ok with arya and gendry too. but the others just left a lot to be desired.
LOL... as someone who grew up in upstate New York, I regularly bitch to my wife that anyone who lives in such a climate would be wearing a hat, especially the Wildlings and Night's Watch.
The episode run times were released like weeks ago. The first 2 episodes wont hit the 60 minute mark, but every episode after that is 80+ minutes run time.
Someone mentioned the limitations of Emilia Clarke (Daenerys) who really does not seem capable of displaying much depth in her character. The did a poor job of setting the place for future episodes outside of Bran and Jamie staring at each other.
Not really.
I think the dialog was very specifically done the way it was, and I think Jon/Dany not addressing the North folk was also intentional.
They're setting up a bunch of things:
1. There is a divide in the North (Sansa sees an opening?)
2. Cersei (to no one's surprise) is planning to betray the combined army
3. The Iron islands is where they may retreat to
4. Samwell Tarly may not be so pro-Dany any longer (what does that actually mean? who knows, but I thought for someone who hated his father as much as he did, he wouldn't have cared so much about his murder, but I guess not)
5. Jon knows he's the true heir, what will that mean? It will probably fracture his relationship completely with the north, and with Sansa, and very likely with Dany - and then the unsullied, the dothraki, and everyone else.
a lot of this episode was meant to simply plant the seeds for the final 5. Slow at times, unrealistic (did they really need the dragon ride?) I think part of that was to just show Jon was a Targaryan but that was a few wasted minutes.
How awkward was it for Jaime to see Bran?
I'm starting to think that Jaime might wind up the "hero".
This is a distinct possibility, and despite the episode-ending staredown from Bran, I think Bran will vouch for Jamie when he faces Dany/Jon/Sansa in the next episode - he knows he has a key role to play going forward.
I read that as simply a reminder that Bran of course would know by now that Cersei is not actually sending the Lannister army.
Apparently Tyrion is the only one who believes that
A few other things:
So tired of all the childish bickering. Glover won't come to Winterfell because Jon submitted to Dany? So he'd rather have a childish shitfit and die on his own than take the small chance of survival he has by banding together with everyone else at Winterfell? Or did he support Jon as King in the North despite thinking he was lying about the army of dead or a madman? Just makes no sense. The whole scene of the northerners whining at Jon just made me want to scream at them. What part of Jon's whole "None of this matters" spiel did they not agree with or understand?
Likewise tired of the whining at Dany for incinerating the Tarlys. She gave them a simple choice: follow me or burn. They chose the fire. I understand the comparisons and worry from the Westerosi about her being another Aerys "Mad King" Targaryen, but her just offering the choice of life or death is something he never would have done that speaks to her character. Brutal, yes...but fair. Get over it.
The Wights/Night King continue to be problematic. Was the burned out castle Eastwatch-by-the-Sea? Last Hearth? Poor storytelling. It makes more sense for it to be Last Hearth what with Little Lord Umber impaled on the wall, but I don't recall a scene or line of dialogue indicating that Dolorous Edd or the Night's Watch had actual confirmation of the Army of the Dead breaching the wall, and Eastwatch-by-the-Sea before the dragon attack was the last place we saw the A-Team. We as viewers know, of course, but you would think the Watch check to make sure before just abandoning the wall.
What's with the Littlefinger being alive theory? Seems highly implausible. I didn't think his death was unearned or cheap. I would have loved to see more of the setup (supposedly they shot more scenes to set up the sisters and Bran working together, but liked having the surprise of Littlefinger's trial and execution more), but Bran basically knows everything that happened ever. Kind of hard to outsmart someone who can tell you literally anything anyone ever did. Sansa knows his abilities are true as he told her things he never could have known about her wedding night, so it's not a leap for him to say "BTW Littlefinger betrayed our father, schemed to kill Jon Arryn, framed Tyrion for the assassination attempt on my life and did all of the other shit you already know about and more". Sansa's witnessed him scheming and plotting so she knows he's capable of everything, just needed the details from Bran. Littlefinger's hubris and belief that he was always the smartest person in any room finally led to him trying to play with the wrong person.
Not sure if Bran's powers work that way, but that was my read.
This is the character I've got a problem with. All of a sudden, he has been incredibly dumb the past two+ seasons. Constantly outmaneuvered first by the Masters only to be saved by Dany, then by Jaime and Cersei, and finally by Cersei again.
Littlefinger made sense to me because he's so secure in his scheming that he couldn't fathom or straight up didn't believe in Bran's ability to see everything. He tried to use him and ended up paying the price for it. It seemed in character.
Tyrion though...goes from master tactician and cunning mind to "Oh, I'm sure my sister wouldn't betray us! She saw an ice zombie!".
I’m very interested in the Bronn storyline with him being tasked to kill BOTH of Cersei’s brothers. How will that translate? Obviously Bronn won’t do it, but I think this is the catalyst to make Jamie finally kill Cersei. That’s how she dies IMO.
The Bran and Jamie reunion will be fun as I’m sure Bran won’t care that Jamie tried to murder him. He doesn’t connect as “Bran” anymore.
Little Finger is dead AF. I don’t know why people think differently.
I’m curious as to why Danny isn’t a little confused as to why her dragons love Jon.
Very curious as to how Danny takes the news of Jon’s heritage. She won’t abdicate her “throne” . That could easily create a divide with Jon and Danny.
We now have a spot to for retreat.
That symbol at with the body parts will have a greater meaning. I didn’t realize that it was Lord Umber at first.
The coming attractions for next week seem like we have have the battle at Winterfell. We will see.
I was fine with the dragon riding scene. I mean, we are watching a show about dragons and zombies and we are critizing whether they should freeze at altitude or not? I mean... c’mon.
Not very queen-like, was it?
Last night felt like filler when they could have really used the episode more to (1) introduce characters to each other who had never met, and (2) re-introduce characters to each other who hadn't seen each in years.
As mentioned above, it's almost as if the TV producers were a bit lost in what direction to take the characters without the guidance of a book.
This, and of course the omission of Dany never taking her clothes off.
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LOL... as someone who grew up in upstate New York, I regularly bitch to my wife that anyone who lives in such a climate would be wearing a hat, especially the Wildlings and Night's Watch.
Well they've definitely taken some liberties I think in an effort to move the story along I guess.
I remember season 1 when they showed the scenes at the wall or later Jon with Ygritte and the wildings, you could feel the cold through the special effects, maybe not so much now.
Weird storyline in an otherwise blah episode
I’m very interested in the Bronn storyline with him being tasked to kill BOTH of Cersei’s brothers. How will that translate? Obviously Bronn won’t do it, but I think this is the catalyst to make Jamie finally kill Cersei. That’s how she dies IMO.
The Bran and Jamie reunion will be fun as I’m sure Bran won’t care that Jamie tried to murder him. He doesn’t connect as “Bran” anymore.
Little Finger is dead AF. I don’t know why people think differently.
I’m curious as to why Danny isn’t a little confused as to why her dragons love Jon.
Very curious as to how Danny takes the news of Jon’s heritage. She won’t abdicate her “throne” . That could easily create a divide with Jon and Danny.
We now have a spot to for retreat.
That symbol at with the body parts will have a greater meaning. I didn’t realize that it was Lord Umber at first.
The coming attractions for next week seem like we have have the battle at Winterfell. We will see.
I was fine with the dragon riding scene. I mean, we are watching a show about dragons and zombies and we are critizing whether they should freeze at altitude or not? I mean... c’mon.
The Dany/Jon thing could be moot if the scheming for nuptials by the advising committee pans out. Although, while I think Dany would be up for it since it was common for Targaryons, Jon might be too Stark to go for some incest.
Weird storyline in an otherwise blah episode
Unless it was a giant scheme last season, she is pregnant. I took the post-coitus gleam in her with Euron to mean she can now claim the baby is his, not Jaime...who’s dead to her after bolting Kings Landing.
Yeah that was a pretty forced effort to recreate the Jon and Ygritte in the cave vibe...show them all happy and in love and fantasizing about escaping together, right before shit blows up between them.
Maybe a tap dancing scene where the dragons get top hats and canes, sort of like Wintefell's version of Singing in the Rain.
Obviously there are nitpicks to everything but just like the star wars “shitting on my childhood” thread, there will be people who think only GRRM can write this stuff and just isnt the same. Its almost at Walking Dead territory with “fans” i only watch it to shit on it
Love the series. Have re-watched the whole thing three times now and there is hardly an episode I don't enjoy (even the 5th season which a lot of people knock). But c'mon, until the last 15 minutes, that was a pretty lame effort last night. Especially when you consider that was 1/6 of the final season.