can't wait, but I must admit it is a little bittersweet.
The trailers all look awesome, I've avoided redditt so I don't get any actual leaked plots.
thought I'd start a discussion thread, in case people want to discuss the final season.
Also, on a side note, this is like the old school HBO Sunday night lineups with GOT, Barry, than Veep.
And Theon being Azor Ahai is more crazy than Littlefinger being alive.
The prince who was promised aka Azor Ahai (if you believe that theory) is said shall be a descendant of Aerys II and Rhaella.
There are 3 WTF moments - we've only seen two of them. The first was Shireen, the second was Hodor.
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He's always been a good bowman. Sansa and Jon have both made their peace with him, Bran isn't Bran anymore so doubtful he holds a grudge. Not sure how much else Theon has left to do except fight (and likely die) to reclaim a little more honor.
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Was it the best episode? No and that is the trend with all the later seasons. Episode one is getting everyone in position for the rest of the season. There was a ton of stuff going on. Dany and her army are in the north now. Jon aka Aegon Targaryen 6th of his name reunited with Arya, Bran, Sam. Arya reunited with the Hound and Gendry along with Jon of course. Sam with Mormont, Sansa with Tyrien, Bran with Jaime, etc etc etc.
As for the dragon and Jon riding scene I think it was to show they are falling even more for each other... If they don't have that scene then it is all politics and drama for them. They needed time together to show they are falling. Also if you don't have that scene they don't magically fill it with another scene... That episode is even shorter so suck it up.
I thought it would be better for Sam to tell Dany about Jon. Let her think about it before letting Jon know. Now how awkward is it going to be for Jon. Oh hey before we have sex ... ummm here is the thing. I am actually your nephew and the rightful king... phew now that is out of the way lets bone.
Except that the CGI for the dragons is extremely expensive and they have a limited budget. Not only was it cheesy, the money could have been spent better elsewhere. Maybe increasing the runtime another 20 minutes.
Right what did it accomplish? One that him and Dany got closer and it showed them falling for each other. Two that he could ride a dragon. Three when they go to battle and if he has to ride one it won't be his first time.
I mean you leave this scene out and think about it. Dany and Jon being super close is less, him riding a dragon is gone, experience riding a dragon is gone, how the dragons react to him is gone, etc.
People think they would have filled it with 20 more mins of scenes are just wrong. They still have like 7 hours left. That is like an Avengers trilogy! It is a ton of time.
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gains some level of redemption though. He's already checked one box by rescuing his sister, now if he can make some sort of amends with the Starks he can die peacefully.
He's always been a good bowman. Sansa and Jon have both made their peace with him, Bran isn't Bran anymore so doubtful he holds a grudge. Not sure how much else Theon has left to do except fight (and likely die) to reclaim a little more honor.
Agree, that's all I was saying.
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and while there are a lot of things that track the legends of the prince who was promised it's not going to be a neat and tidy. It would not shock me at all however if similar to "Hold the door" there is a wtf moment where we realize George Martin had put some big breadcrumbs in front of us the whole time in terms of some other application of what that legend actually meant.
There are 3 WTF moments - we've only seen two of them. The first was Shireen, the second was Hodor. Link - ( New Window )
Yeah the 3rd one is in all likelihood whatever the end game is at the intersection of the Night King's demise, the Stark lineage, and the Targaryen lineage. Whether that involves Bran or Jon or Dany or Tyrion or whoever, who knows. Unlike the first 2 wtf moments the last one seems certain to involve the leads as opposed to side characters.
As far as your point about Jon and the dragons. He's a Targaryan, it is in his blood to know how to ride them. Or at least you could frame it that way. There's nothing to say it just isn't instinct.
As far as your point about Jon and the dragons. He's a Targaryan, it is in his blood to know how to ride them. Or at least you could frame it that way. There's nothing to say it just isn't instinct.
Instinct? Come on man. I compare it to a comic book movie was to say you can have a ton happen in the next 6 episodes because of all the hours left. That it was equivalent to say an Avengers trilogy. What would have made you feel better... The original Star wars trilogy, Lord of the rings, 50 shades of grey... The example was the time left has a lot of hours to go through everything you want.
I also find it funny you talk about emotion depth and development but want to cut a season that is about emotion between Jon, Dany, and her babies.
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I disagree. What makes the show great is the emotional depth, character development and storyline. Comparing it to some comic book movie doesn't do it justice. This is a big reason why TV is better than movies now. The ability to tell these stories in long format. I feel like they easily could cut that scene and added some emotional depth to all these reunions. I had no problem that it was a set up episode it just seemed clumsily done.
As far as your point about Jon and the dragons. He's a Targaryan, it is in his blood to know how to ride them. Or at least you could frame it that way. There's nothing to say it just isn't instinct.
Instinct? Come on man. I compare it to a comic book movie was to say you can have a ton happen in the next 6 episodes because of all the hours left. That it was equivalent to say an Avengers trilogy. What would have made you feel better... The original Star wars trilogy, Lord of the rings, 50 shades of grey... The example was the time left has a lot of hours to go through everything you want.
I also find it funny you talk about emotion depth and development but want to cut a season that is about emotion between Jon, Dany, and her babies.
sorry cut a scene not a season.
He wasn't emotional over his father. If you rewatch the scene, he didn't get VERY emotional until he heard his brother was killed by Dany. His brother was more honorable in Sam's eyes than his father ever was. That's what ticked Sam off
Weird storyline in an otherwise blah episode
I'm not sure why people (not just you, figgy - I mean in general) are hung up on whether she drinks the wine or not as a signal of her being pregnant. This is basically a medieval culture where incest is pretty much accepted, people can be brought back to life, super powers abound, dragons exist, etc., but the dangers of drinking while pregnant are a real concern for these characters?
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She was going to take a sip of wine after Euron banged her out, but you never actually see her drink.
Weird storyline in an otherwise blah episode
I'm not sure why people (not just you, figgy - I mean in general) are hung up on whether she drinks the wine or not as a signal of her being pregnant. This is basically a medieval culture where incest is pretty much accepted, people can be brought back to life, super powers abound, dragons exist, etc., but the dangers of drinking while pregnant are a real concern for these characters?
I believe there was a scene late last season in which she explicitly made a point of not imbibing because of her condition. The ambiguity as to whether she actually drank last night might signal that we are supposed to be left wondering - also, her touching her womb, Euron referencing "putting a prince in her" or whatever he said. I think it is definitely intended to be an open question.
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She was going to take a sip of wine after Euron banged her out, but you never actually see her drink.
Weird storyline in an otherwise blah episode
I'm not sure why people (not just you, figgy - I mean in general) are hung up on whether she drinks the wine or not as a signal of her being pregnant. This is basically a medieval culture where incest is pretty much accepted, people can be brought back to life, super powers abound, dragons exist, etc., but the dangers of drinking while pregnant are a real concern for these characters?
It's because she didn't drink wine in her private meeting with Tyrion during the season 7 finale because she was pregnant.
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She was going to take a sip of wine after Euron banged her out, but you never actually see her drink.
Weird storyline in an otherwise blah episode
I'm not sure why people (not just you, figgy - I mean in general) are hung up on whether she drinks the wine or not as a signal of her being pregnant. This is basically a medieval culture where incest is pretty much accepted, people can be brought back to life, super powers abound, dragons exist, etc., but the dangers of drinking while pregnant are a real concern for these characters?
It's because she didn't drink wine in her private meeting with Tyrion during the season 7 finale because she was pregnant.
Ah, ok. Well then I suppose my question is more for the writers and why that's even something they're using as a plot vehicle. People were drinking while pregnant in this country as recently as 40-50 years ago, but this would have been a concern in the GoT realm?
I mean, I get it, but it just seems like a lazy shortcut in the writing.
Well played, Bill.
Saw a picture of her at a setting where she was all dressed up in a formal outfit but she had Easter egg purple hair.
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She was going to take a sip of wine after Euron banged her out, but you never actually see her drink.
Weird storyline in an otherwise blah episode
I'm not sure why people (not just you, figgy - I mean in general) are hung up on whether she drinks the wine or not as a signal of her being pregnant. This is basically a medieval culture where incest is pretty much accepted, people can be brought back to life, super powers abound, dragons exist, etc., but the dangers of drinking while pregnant are a real concern for these characters?
It's because she didn't drink wine in her private meeting with Tyrion during the season 7 finale because she was pregnant.
Maybe that why maybe it isn’t that’s what you inferred from it but she never said I’m not drinking because I’m pregnant
I agree it was extremely cringe worthy, but it did get jon on a dragon prior to the battle, which probably practically just had to happen. It also practically had to happen prior to jon's discovery of who he really is. So when you add those points together, it basically had to happen in this episode somehow and there are only so many ways that could have transpired.
Dragon-envy.
The surprising thing to me is that Daenerys hasn’t been tipped off by her “children’s” affinity for Jon - or Tyrion, for that matter. She was raised on Valyrian legend. If there’s a person alive - outside the Citadel - who would understand the significance of Jon mounting a dragon, it’s Daenerys. Maybe she figures any friend of hers is unlikely to be barbecued (hence the joke about having enjoyed his acquaintance.)
I’m curious how she will react to the news about her nephew. It actually shouldn’t be a huge surprise. She might even have an inkling about Rhaegar/Elia/Lyanna.
Have you ever tried stopping an elephant?🤪
My guess it’s sort similar to the giants for the wildlings big and powerful hard to stop
They might also serve as firehoses once Drogo and Rhaegal do their thing on the Golden Company and the Lannister lines. On the other hand, they would also be big targets for a couple of hungry, airborne dragons. I think Cersei is banking on the Night King and Viserion to solve that problem for her.
Maybe she just thinks elephants are cool.
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want the elephants so badly?
You might regret asking. Assuming her interest is grounded in classical military tactics, elephants would probably be used to break those tight, disciplined, disciples Unsullied formations Missandei finds so erotic. I doubt they would be as useful against Dothraki, Wildlings, or even certain Northern houses, whose style of engagement is more freeform.
They might also serve as firehoses once Drogo and Rhaegal do their thing on the Golden Company and the Lannister lines. On the other hand, they would also be big targets for a couple of hungry, airborne dragons. I think Cersei is banking on the Night King and Viserion to solve that problem for her.
Maybe she just thinks elephants are cool.
Maybe she really likes the term hung like an elephant
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want the elephants so badly?
Dragon-envy.
I don’t know if this was a joke, But of all the explanations below, I think that this one is probably the most correct.
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Jon Snow flying on them during the battle ahead. Can't have his first time flying it be during the actual battle. It wasn't just some "dating scene".
The big issue (IMO) with that scene is that no one but Targaryen's are supposed to be able to fly and yet Dany doesn't even bat an eye about him flying.
I think the queen knows he's her relative, why else would she be so nonplussed about him riding a dragon when only her bloodline can ride them? If she didn't she would have been scared shitless of him getting on one
I think that aspect was done to illustrate how little she believes regarding the White Walkers and the Dragons. The two Dragons make Elephants worthless and her bemoaning the fact she didn't any shows how foolish she is regarding the coming battles
I agree its likely dragon envy, but last season her 'hand of the queen' (Qyburn) invented that large bow and arrow dragon weapon that was pulled by horses. Maybe he's created something new that requires elephants to move it.
And abt Qyburn, did anyone notice how interested he was in seeing the white walker from season 7? He did bring the mountain back to life and some ppl speculate has some type of wight. I'm wondering if Cersei and Qyburn have some surprises.
After the episode, it hit me he likely meant Jamie. But a buddy suggested he actually means the Night King
What do y’all think?
After the episode, it hit me he likely meant Jamie. But a buddy suggested he actually means the Night King
What do y’all think?
Its Jamie.
Yes totally... Going against the Night King and the army of the dead lets just go by instinct and assume the Dragon will let you ride it... nothing could go wrong with that plan. Why bother training how to use swords and shoot bows in the show when you got instinct.
After the episode, it hit me he likely meant Jamie. But a buddy suggested he actually means the Night King
What do y’all think?
definitely thought he meant Jaime. I like his story arc better than anyone on the show. I think he's got the most compelling ending too (potentially).
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Sam asks Bran what he’s up to sitting in the courtyard, and Bran says “waiting, for an old friend”.
After the episode, it hit me he likely meant Jamie. But a buddy suggested he actually means the Night King
What do y’all think?
Its Jamie.
Jamie for sure
Especially compared to the wooden actress my wife calls 'eyebrows' after seeing her in "Me Before You" (Emilia Clarke).
I will totally give you, that love ride won't make him some kind of expert and now they will make it seem like he is. At least he has ridden one though. If he goes into battle with never have people including me would be like no way!
so it's not a problem with Headley per se, who is fantastic in the role, it's the only casting miss, and it's really nitpicking.
But...she plays the role so perfectly I can get past it, but that was almost literally the only casting decision I question in a story with tons of characters that the author went in to tremendous detail describing.
the other minor casting issue for me was Brienne. She was supposed to be grotesquely hideous. Like an animal. She's definitely tall and I guess manly, but she's not as hideous as I imagined. Probably hard to just find an ugly actress without makeup/disguise.
The final casting issue I have (besides character switches) and it's more plot than casting is Tyrion at the battle of Blackwater lost his nose with I think an axe. While I didn't expect in the show he'd have no nose, I was hoping he'd be worse scarred or disfigured than he is.
it's remarkable the casting job they did overall, spot on nailed almost everyone.
so it's not a problem with Headley per se, who is fantastic in the role, it's the only casting miss, and it's really nitpicking.
But...she plays the role so perfectly I can get past it, but that was almost literally the only casting decision I question in a story with tons of characters that the author went in to tremendous detail describing.
the other minor casting issue for me was Brienne. She was supposed to be grotesquely hideous. Like an animal. She's definitely tall and I guess manly, but she's not as hideous as I imagined. Probably hard to just find an ugly actress without makeup/disguise.
The final casting issue I have (besides character switches) and it's more plot than casting is Tyrion at the battle of Blackwater lost his nose with I think an axe. While I didn't expect in the show he'd have no nose, I was hoping he'd be worse scarred or disfigured than he is.
it's remarkable the casting job they did overall, spot on nailed almost everyone.
I've been saying that about Cersei the whole time. Lena Headey is a fantastic actress and she has been perfect in the role, but from a physical standpoint and the description of the character in the books, she just doesn't fit. I'm not going to go so far as to call her unattractive, but she probably doesn't even crack the top 10 most attractive actresses on GoT alone.