This time on Mike's new podcast; Peter King his first guest. Again, some interesting nuggets:
- Odell trade/value/Peppers
- What some around the league think of DG
- Eli/Mara
- Pick #6
They talk a little AAF downfall and Kyler first, but Giants segment starts around 25:20.
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You didn’t miss much. Pretty much the tired anti-DG shit you read around these parts on any given day.
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Clever. Do you have a video that shows me how to install iTunes?
You guys can diss the source all you want, I have never seen a report on BBI where someone who didn’t like the content didn’t diss the source.
But the confusion that leads to questioning DG, is legit.
Not saying I agree, but he s got me confused.
If there is no quarterback he likes enough to take once again this year, after saying he will be defined by whom replaces Eli, the conundrum presented by trying to win now while trying to get that quarterback in 20 is also confusing.
You guys can diss the source all you want, I have never seen a report on BBI where someone who didn’t like the content didn’t diss the source.
But the confusion that leads to questioning DG, is legit.
Not saying I agree, but he s got me confused.
If there is no quarterback he likes enough to take once again this year, after saying he will be defined by whom replaces Eli, the conundrum presented by trying to win now while trying to get that quarterback in 20 is also confusing.
It's not that we didn't like the content to diss the source that you imply. The reality is that most aren't willing to listen to a podcast for 25 minutes before actually hearing the content that is pertinent to the Giants. To actually skip through requires proprietary software that isn't installed on everyone's system.
I know he knows more then me....so I will see how it plays out and hope for the best.
You guys can diss the source all you want, I have never seen a report on BBI where someone who didn’t like the content didn’t diss the source.
But the confusion that leads to questioning DG, is legit.
Not saying I agree, but he s got me confused.
If there is no quarterback he likes enough to take once again this year, after saying he will be defined by whom replaces Eli, the conundrum presented by trying to win now while trying to get that quarterback in 20 is also confusing.
You must confuse easily.
Too much is made of the Eli thing. He is under contract, the last year of his contract, and he is the best option for the moment. They are also in position to have a huge amount of cap space next year and a large number of draft picks right now.
What exactly does cutting Eli right now accomplish other than giving whiney fanboys their pound of flesh? How would it "make sense"?
You guys really need to look at actions more than words. They have no better option than Eli yet. DH isn't going to say, "um yeah we aren't going to win right now", what kind of message does that send to your team? Use your heads.
When they have their QB Eli will have a proper sendoff. It's likely that if Barkley didn't exist they would have taken a QB last year, but they wanted the RB, they will get their QB soon.
You guys can diss the source all you want, I have never seen a report on BBI where someone who didn’t like the content didn’t diss the source.
But the confusion that leads to questioning DG, is legit.
Not saying I agree, but he s got me confused.
If there is no quarterback he likes enough to take once again this year, after saying he will be defined by whom replaces Eli, the conundrum presented by trying to win now while trying to get that quarterback in 20 is also confusing.
It’s not about keeping a 38 year old QB to “win now.” It’s about not investing premium draft capital, years, and organizational jobs in a guy that doesn’t have 100% support of the organization.
Getting the call right is more important than making the call now. This isn’t a difficult concept to grasp.
Gettleman is making the team better and the departures of LC and OBJ are part of it.
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Your tearing a team down for a rebuild, and you keep a 38 year old quarterback for a big salary because you “want to win now”, it s kind of inconsistent.
The Patriots just let their best OL and best DL leave in free agency and they're keeping their 42-year old QB, what do their actions say? The Giants are in win-now mode and they will win now. The division is certainly up for grabs and with good health, the Giants should win it easily (you will never find better futures odds than the 15-1 I've seen for the Giants to win NFC East).
Gettleman is making the team better and the departures of LC and OBJ are part of it.
Are you smoking some leftover props from your movie?
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Your tearing a team down for a rebuild, and you keep a 38 year old quarterback for a big salary because you “want to win now”, it s kind of inconsistent.
The Patriots just let their best OL and best DL leave in free agency and they're keeping their 42-year old QB, what do their actions say? The Giants are in win-now mode and they will win now. The division is certainly up for grabs and with good health, the Giants should win it easily (you will never find better futures odds than the 15-1 I've seen for the Giants to win NFC East).
Gettleman is making the team better and the departures of LC and OBJ are part of it.
Nice! Like the optimism Milton. We don’t see enough of that around here.
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You guys can diss the source all you want, I have never seen a report on BBI where someone who didn’t like the content didn’t diss the source.
But the confusion that leads to questioning DG, is legit.
Not saying I agree, but he s got me confused.
If there is no quarterback he likes enough to take once again this year, after saying he will be defined by whom replaces Eli, the conundrum presented by trying to win now while trying to get that quarterback in 20 is also confusing.
In my opinion it's only confusing for those who seem to believe that there is only one way to go about building a team.
There is a contingent who appear to believe that a rebuild must start with a qb. Yet there are many examples in the recent nfl of teams winning while their qb in still on a rookie contract. Rams, Bears, Chiefs, Eagles, when the Seahawks won the sb, etc. To me, this would imply that one of the more effective methods, within the current salary structure, for a team to be successful is to build a competitive team first and then get the qb last. This would ensure that you have the longest window of competition with the qb still on a rookie contract.
Also, there are many instances of teams coming out of nowhere in the nfl. This years Colts, the Cowboys and Jaguars a few years back. Even the two Giants Super Bowls pretty much came out of nowhere. In my opinion, football is more about a team playing better than the sum of it's parts than basing everything on talent alone. For this reason it seems like a few tweaks here and there can vault a team into success. Condemning the Giants for trying seems more short sited, in my opinion, than the Giants refusing to tear down the team just for the sake of it.
Most, if not all of us, clearly do not know all of what is going on behind closed doors in the Giants organization. Looking in from the outside, guessing what is happening, projecting one closed minded concept on them, and then calling them stupid for not following it seems ridiculous to me. Claiming to be confused without first knowing all of the information also doesn't make sense. Of course you don't know their plan, you don't work there.
I don't agree with a lot of what DG has done and I have no idea what process the Giants use to build a team, but I personally will wait and see if it works or not before I cast aspersions.
Their comment that Mara and Tisch are stuck in an old world version of how to run a football team and that DG was hired because he will effectuate that old world approach is relevant. John Mara is too conservative to be successful in this brave new football world dominated by players like Mahomes and Russell Wilson and OBJ. He is like George Young when we had the strike year with the replacement teams. Young couldn't adjust and we sucked.
This year is key. Giants have to show improvement. Otherwise, Giants will be in "GM Hell." Which is just as bad as "QB Hell"
Their comment that Mara and Tisch are stuck in an old world version of how to run a football team and that DG was hired because he will effectuate that old world approach is relevant. John Mara is too conservative to be successful in this brave new football world dominated by players like Mahomes and Russell Wilson and OBJ. He is like George Young when we had the strike year with the replacement teams. Young couldn't adjust and we sucked.
Hits the nail right on he head. Mara operates more for comfort he does not like change. He's afraid to bring in new blood because it's not the Giants way. Though, I wonder why Marc Ross was kept for so long, the man is awful in all categories.
Trust me, I don't see OBJ playing 16 games. I just don't based on his career to date.
I did find Lombardi's comments to Pat of some merit when he talked about our height, weight requirements for various positions. And I do hope the team will demonstrate more flexibility in that regard.
Nonetheless, DG, fix this thing and shove it up their you know whats.
He has his opinion, and I have mine. He was way off base with a lot of his comments and really offered no insight into his rationale other than the usual media drivel that has been spewed out the last few years.
Gettleman built the Panthers into a Superbowl contender and Gettleman has been a part of very successful franchises in various roles. Gettleman has also begun to put pieces in place on this team. He had a very solid draft last year adding Barkley, Hernandez and BJ Hill. He added zeitler and peppers this year.
I think Lombardi is lazy and he has been riding bill belichicks coat tails for way too long now.
He has his opinion, and I have mine. He was way off base with a lot of his comments and really offered no insight into his rationale other than the usual media drivel that has been spewed out the last few years.
Gettleman built the Panthers into a Superbowl contender and Gettleman has been a part of very successful franchises in various roles. Gettleman has also begun to put pieces in place on this team. He had a very solid draft last year adding Barkley, Hernandez and BJ Hill. He added zeitler and peppers this year.
I think Lombardi is lazy and he has been riding bill belichicks coat tails for way too long now.
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He has his opinion, and I have mine. He was way off base with a lot of his comments and really offered no insight into his rationale other than the usual media drivel that has been spewed out the last few years.
Gettleman built the Panthers into a Superbowl contender and Gettleman has been a part of very successful franchises in various roles. Gettleman has also begun to put pieces in place on this team. He had a very solid draft last year adding Barkley, Hernandez and BJ Hill. He added zeitler and peppers this year.
I think Lombardi is lazy and he has been riding bill belichicks coat tails for way too long now.
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Mike Lombardi and genius should never be used in the same sentence...
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Your tearing a team down for a rebuild, and you keep a 38 year old quarterback for a big salary because you “want to win now”, it s kind of inconsistent.
You guys can diss the source all you want, I have never seen a report on BBI where someone who didn’t like the content didn’t diss the source.
But the confusion that leads to questioning DG, is legit.
Not saying I agree, but he s got me confused.
If there is no quarterback he likes enough to take once again this year, after saying he will be defined by whom replaces Eli, the conundrum presented by trying to win now while trying to get that quarterback in 20 is also confusing.
It's not that we didn't like the content to diss the source that you imply. The reality is that most aren't willing to listen to a podcast for 25 minutes before actually hearing the content that is pertinent to the Giants. To actually skip through requires proprietary software that isn't installed on everyone's system.
I was referring to Mr. Bungle not you. I didn’t listen either for same reason.
Their comment that Mara and Tisch are stuck in an old world version of how to run a football team and that DG was hired because he will effectuate that old world approach is relevant. John Mara is too conservative to be successful in this brave new football world dominated by players like Mahomes and Russell Wilson and OBJ. He is like George Young when we had the strike year with the replacement teams. Young couldn't adjust and we sucked.
Well said.
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Your tearing a team down for a rebuild, and you keep a 38 year old quarterback for a big salary because you “want to win now”, it s kind of inconsistent.
You guys can diss the source all you want, I have never seen a report on BBI where someone who didn’t like the content didn’t diss the source.
But the confusion that leads to questioning DG, is legit.
Not saying I agree, but he s got me confused.
If there is no quarterback he likes enough to take once again this year, after saying he will be defined by whom replaces Eli, the conundrum presented by trying to win now while trying to get that quarterback in 20 is also confusing.
In my opinion it's only confusing for those who seem to believe that there is only one way to go about building a team.
There is a contingent who appear to believe that a rebuild must start with a qb. Yet there are many examples in the recent nfl of teams winning while their qb in still on a rookie contract. Rams, Bears, Chiefs, Eagles, when the Seahawks won the sb, etc. To me, this would imply that one of the more effective methods, within the current salary structure, for a team to be successful is to build a competitive team first and then get the qb last. This would ensure that you have the longest window of competition with the qb still on a rookie contract.
Also, there are many instances of teams coming out of nowhere in the nfl. This years Colts, the Cowboys and Jaguars a few years back. Even the two Giants Super Bowls pretty much came out of nowhere. In my opinion, football is more about a team playing better than the sum of it's parts than basing everything on talent alone. For this reason it seems like a few tweaks here and there can vault a team into success. Condemning the Giants for trying seems more short sited, in my opinion, than the Giants refusing to tear down the team just for the sake of it.
Most, if not all of us, clearly do not know all of what is going on behind closed doors in the Giants organization. Looking in from the outside, guessing what is happening, projecting one closed minded concept on them, and then calling them stupid for not following it seems ridiculous to me. Claiming to be confused without first knowing all of the information also doesn't make sense. Of course you don't know their plan, you don't work there.
I don't agree with a lot of what DG has done and I have no idea what process the Giants use to build a team, but I personally will wait and see if it works or not before I cast aspersions.
Good post.
Gettleman built the Panthers into a Superbowl contender and Gettleman has been a part of very successful franchises in various roles.
That's a bit slanted. He took over a team that went 12-4 with 7 guys going to pro bowls and 4 all-pros. They had a franchise QB baking in the oven. Then Cam Newton had a MVP season and they were off and running.
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Gettleman built the Panthers into a Superbowl contender and Gettleman has been a part of very successful franchises in various roles.
That's a bit slanted. He took over a team that went 12-4 with 7 guys going to pro bowls and 4 all-pros. They had a franchise QB baking in the oven. Then Cam Newton had a MVP season and they were off and running.
...And following that Super Bowl season the team had a losing record and finished last in the division and Gettleman was fired. It's not uncommon for a team to have a bad season after appearing in a Super Bowl (although it seems like it's the winning team that this usually happens to). I'm just pointing out that the Panthers ownership certainly must not have viewed him as a great executive.
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Gettleman built the Panthers into a Superbowl contender and Gettleman has been a part of very successful franchises in various roles.
That's a bit slanted. He took over a team that went 12-4 with 7 guys going to pro bowls and 4 all-pros. They had a franchise QB baking in the oven. Then Cam Newton had a MVP season and they were off and running.
Gettleman came into the Panthers and they were in a bad cap situation and haven't won in 4 seasons. Yes, they had a quarterback, but those 7 guys that went to the pro bowl and 4 all pros were not all there when the Panthers went to the Superbowl in 2015. Deangelo Williams gone, Steve Smith gone, Jordan gross gone, Greg hardy gone
Gettleman put a lot of pieces in place for that team to contend and that is not slanted
It isn't that difficult to see what DG has done.
He's been a part of 5 different SB teams.
He helped the Panthers get to the SB as GM. He's had a solid record drafting, especially in the mid rounds, where the previous GM here struggled.
I feel like half the board thinks DG's first ever professional job was last year. If you are either too lazy or too stupid to look to see what he's done in the past - that's on you.
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2007-2011. What has DG ever done? Great draft class last year. Horrible free agent moves. If this year's draft is like last year's, all will be forgiven.
It isn't that difficult to see what DG has done.
He's been a part of 5 different SB teams.
He helped the Panthers get to the SB as GM. He's had a solid record drafting, especially in the mid rounds, where the previous GM here struggled.
I feel like half the board thinks DG's first ever professional job was last year. If you are either too lazy or too stupid to look to see what he's done in the past - that's on you.
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Gettleman built the Panthers into a Superbowl contender and Gettleman has been a part of very successful franchises in various roles.
That's a bit slanted. He took over a team that went 12-4 with 7 guys going to pro bowls and 4 all-pros. They had a franchise QB baking in the oven. Then Cam Newton had a MVP season and they were off and running.
No he didn't. He took over a team that just went 7-9 with 0 Pro Bowlers and were 15 million over the cap. He went 40-23-1 in 4 seasons with the Panthers. He went to the playoffs 3 times. Won a playoff game in 2015 and won 2 playoff games the following year on the way to the Super Bowl.
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Gridiron Genius is a masterpiece. Lombardi's book is superbly written and a fascinating read. I highly recommend it.
Mike Lombardi and genius should never be used in the same sentence...
It's the title of his book. Your reading comprehension skills continue to be a work in progress.
And a new GM in Carolina is likely to happen after this year. Marty Hurney was given a contract that runs through this year. In a final move before he stepped down, Richardson signed Hurney to be the full-time GM and put in a provision that new ownership had to keep him in place for a specified time or pay a hefty severance fee.
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Your tearing a team down for a rebuild, and you keep a 38 year old quarterback for a big salary because you “want to win now”, it s kind of inconsistent.
The Patriots just let their best OL and best DL leave in free agency and they're keeping their 42-year old QB, what do their actions say? The Giants are in win-now mode and they will win now. The division is certainly up for grabs and with good health, the Giants should win it easily (you will never find better futures odds than the 15-1 I've seen for the Giants to win NFC East).
Gettleman is making the team better and the departures of LC and OBJ are part of it.
The division is up for grabs?
No he didn't. He took over a team that just went 7-9 with 0 Pro Bowlers and were 15 million over the cap. He went 40-23-1 in 4 seasons with the Panthers. He went to the playoffs 3 times. Won a playoff game in 2015 and won 2 playoff games the following year on the way to the Super Bowl.
Let's keep this in perspective. During Gettleman's tenure they had one great season when they went 15-1 and reaced the Super Bowl. In his other 3 years they went 25-22-1 with 2 of those remaining 3 seasons resulting in a losing record. He didn't build some mini-dynasty.
As to whether anyone on the roster was an All Pro before Gettleman's arrival, I don't know. However, many of the key players from that Super Bowl lineup were in place before Gettleman arrived. I'm talking Cam, Luke Kuechly, Greg Olsen, Jonathan Stewart, Josh Norman, Ryan Kahlil, & Thomas Davis.
I'm not disputing that Gettleman contributed to their success that season through trades, free agency or roster depth. He likely did. However, let's not paint this like he took over a team devoid of talent and single handedly transformed it into a Super squad. A good chunk of the core players of that team were already in place.
Swell. That team went to the Super Bowl primarily due to players who were on the roster the day Gettleman was hired.
HOWEVER, a couple posters, even on this thread actually intimate he's accomplished nothing.
I'm not sure why a 40-23-1 record is trying to be minimized, or how subtracting the SB year to get a record over .500 is looked at as taking away from what he did.
I think we'd all take a 25-22-1 record in the past 3 years, no??
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Let's keep this in perspective. During Gettleman's tenure they had one great season when they went 15-1 and reaced the Super Bowl. In his other 3 years they went 25-22-1
HOWEVER, a couple posters, even on this thread actually intimate he's accomplished nothing.
I'm not sure why a 40-23-1 record is trying to be minimized, or how subtracting the SB year to get a record over .500 is looked at as taking away from what he did.
I think we'd all take a 25-22-1 record in the past 3 years, no??
We would take that record compared to what we've done the last3 years, certainly. In a vacuum, no, I wouldn't take it. Based on average, your basically a .500 team because your averaging a hair over 8 wins a season. In this particular case, 2 of those 3 seasons they were under .500. So, it's nothing to get excited about.
I'm not taking away anything the team or Gettleman did in reaching the Super Bowl and I noted that in my post. I was putting their 4 year record in perspective. If you just look at it on the surface (40 wins in 4 years) it can be taken as though they were a consistent double digit winning team over those 4 years. That wasn't the case.
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No he didn't. He took over a team that just went 7-9 with 0 Pro Bowlers and were 15 million over the cap. He went 40-23-1 in 4 seasons with the Panthers. He went to the playoffs 3 times. Won a playoff game in 2015 and won 2 playoff games the following year on the way to the Super Bowl.
Let's keep this in perspective. During Gettleman's tenure they had one great season when they went 15-1 and reaced the Super Bowl. In his other 3 years they went 25-22-1 with 2 of those remaining 3 seasons resulting in a losing record. He didn't build some mini-dynasty.
As to whether anyone on the roster was an All Pro before Gettleman's arrival, I don't know. However, many of the key players from that Super Bowl lineup were in place before Gettleman arrived. I'm talking Cam, Luke Kuechly, Greg Olsen, Jonathan Stewart, Josh Norman, Ryan Kahlil, & Thomas Davis.
I'm not disputing that Gettleman contributed to their success that season through trades, free agency or roster depth. He likely did. However, let's not paint this like he took over a team devoid of talent and single handedly transformed it into a Super squad. A good chunk of the core players of that team were already in place.
In the 4 years prior to gettleman the Panthers finished below .500 and 1 season they finished 8-8 and 0 playoffs with a lot of those players you mentioned. In 3 of his 4 seasons they finished 1st in their division and got to the Superbowl.
To put it in a better perspective. In the 4 years prior to Gettleman the panthers were 23-41 (.360).
In the 4 years Gettleman was there, the Panthers were
40-23-1 (.640)
In the 2 years since Gettleman has been gone, the Panthers are 24-24 (.500)
You can discount Gettleman all you want and talk about players he inherited and one great season, but the truth is in the facts. Every GM is hired with some talent on the roster. Gettleman has been part of very successful franchises and as a general manager he was successful in carolina as well. You can sparse his results and spin it any way that suits your agenda, but his resume speaks for itself.
BY the way, you might want to take a look at the giants record during his time here as pro personnel director and what our record was once he left.
The Panthers still have NEVER had back-to-back winning seasons. amazing to me.
I'll also point out that Gettleman's tenure was their most successful 4 year period ever.