IMO: I won't be upset with any direction team takes

Any trade up for a QB would bother me. They have 2 firsts this year so if they like a guy, take him at 6. If the scenario presents itself where they could miss out without a trade? Just sit tight and use the extra picks to fill out the roster.

Any trade that nets a 2020 first should be strongly considered. Tua-Fromm-Herbert await with the commitment to Eli in 2019 already in place.

I would stay away from Gary at #6.

I would be open to drafting Hockenson at #6 depending on how the board falls.

Drafting a QB in rounds 2-7 would ring very hollow after Webb and Lauletta.

It would be ideal if they can get back into the late 2nd or early 3rd, somewhere between 37 and 95. Trading down from 17 might be the best way if possible.

In comment 14386755 George said:

Quote:

Although I confess that I don't want a QB early, as I don't think the value is there in 2019. That said, I see at least 5 openings for a starter on our roster, and potentially 3 others (RT, DE, ILB, OLB, CB plus S, C, WR) - not to mention literally zero depth at at every other position except RB (I like Gallman). I can see DG not only NOT trading up with some of our 12 picks, but actually trading down to acquire MORE. I can't imagine a shittier roster in all of professional football.

Seriously? Look at the Cardinals right now. Their Oline sucks, their defense stripped and their best player was not much of anything (David Johnson) last season.

Aside from a couple of notable posters, those opinions are based on the thoughts of amateurs who have a very limited ability to evaluate prospects and how the team plans to use them. They also never sat in a room with these guys and got a sense for who they are.

If you think you are in a better position to evaluate these guys than the professionals, you should take a step back and ask why you aren't being paid for your opinions.

Lineman in the draft - Very upset

and Haskins is the last guy in for a personal visit. Hmm

In comment 14386778 Mike from Ohio said:

Quote:

Aside from a couple of notable posters, those opinions are based on the thoughts of amateurs who have a very limited ability to evaluate prospects and how the team plans to use them. They also never sat in a room with these guys and got a sense for who they are. If you think you are in a better position to evaluate these guys than the professionals, you should take a step back and ask why you aren't being paid for your opinions.

yet, us "amateurs" predicted busted picks better than Reese did... so there's that.

If you like the QB you take him...end of story. Here is the ideal situation in my eyes:

1. You get either Haskins or Lock with one of the 1st round picks and my preference is Lock with a small trade up from 17 after getting a front 7 Defender with pick 6.

2. You trade pick 37 for Rosen after having used the 2 first round picks on Front 7 defense, OT or a play maker on offense.

3. You trade pick 17 for Rosen and pick 33 having selected the best pass rusher available at pick 6.

I don't want Jones and selecting a QB in round 2 seems like a wasted pick after the Webb and Lauletta results.

...plus you need to trust who is in charge now.

It's their second year, this is when we want to see roster talent improve, and also results on game day.

We all have to put on our big boy pants and keep calm. We have to trust them (until we don’t - see J. Reese)

We have so many holes, I don't think we can go wrong with what position we take.

If they take QB.

They're not just going to unceremoniously cut the guy.

Moving forward does not mean Eli has to be gone immediately. It simply doesnt.

where you could make a case for pure BPA. I just don't see a QB worthy of #6 in this draft. At #17, I could see it as it appears the value isn't much different for prospects in the 15-45 range, imo.

If there’s no vision or gameplan for attacking the draft.

DG made a commitment to fixing the trenches when he was hired. Well, now the opportunity is right there in front of him to complete the job.

If he takes a “plug holes” approach and takes WR, CB, etc high I’ll be disappointed.

If he takes a QB high I’ll be disappointed but understanding — and his legacy will ride on that pick for better or worse.

I believe you'll get your wish. The prospect deck is loaded for it, as you said. Their first three picks should be foundation players.

In comment 14387061 JonC said:

Quote:

I believe you'll get your wish. The prospect deck is loaded for it, as you said. Their first three picks should be foundation players.

Agreed Jon. In all likelihood it will be the trenches. Just make sure the guy you pick has shown more than just freakish talent but also enough translateable traits to win at the NFL level. Otherwise you end up with Flowers and Apple again.

In comment 14387061 JonC said:

Quote:

I believe you'll get your wish. The prospect deck is loaded for it, as you said. Their first three picks should be foundation players.

Nice. It’s the smart play.

In comment 14387039 JonC said:

Quote:

where you could make a case for pure BPA. I just don't see a QB worthy of #6 in this draft. At #17, I could see it as it appears the value isn't much different for prospects in the 15-45 range, imo.

This is how I see it too. The closer we get to the draft, the more scared of all the QB's I get. I think any of the top 6 could bust, and we know 1 or 2 will be good, but I have no idea who. I'd rather take top D players at #6 and #17, then wait and see what QB is there at #37 (Grier for example). IMO whoever we get at #37 will have just as much of a chance as one we would pick at #6.

this is a good draft to have a lot of picks, so many options to go with and can argue for most of all of them. No matter what position they pick, they just have to be a good player.

Eric, I think most years are like this ... only the football gods really know who the real playas will be ... and for sure every yearteams reach for QBs based on media hype which has gotten more intense and confusing.
I only hope DG stays true to his tenets and doesn’t reach ... or panic.

In comment 14387160 WillVAB said:

Quote:

In comment 14387061 JonC said: Quote: I believe you'll get your wish. The prospect deck is loaded for it, as you said. Their first three picks should be foundation players. Nice. It’s the smart play.

What's not a smart play is to continue to pass on QB with major assets with no preparation to land one in the future. If the plan is to defer QB to next year, it's a terrible plan if they simply decide to "wing it" with whatever draft picks they fall into next season.

is not force a QB and find the one you believe in. Load up the roster around Eli in the meantime, see who reaches UFA, and go from there.

It's SPORTs! It's our chance to be "upset" about shiznit that does not actually (sssshhhh.... 'matter'...secret..but. yeah)

In comment 14387446 JonC said:

Quote:

is not force a QB and find the one you believe in. Load up the roster around Eli in the meantime, see who reaches UFA, and go from there.

Agreed not to force one. But my point is this: They held the #2 pick last year and passed in a year when 5 went in round 1. They passed on a SB winning QB in FA who had a history with the coach. This year they have the #6 pick and are likely to pass again with another high draft pick. Their biggest chip in a potential trade to secure their QB was Odell and they cashed that in this year so have an extra 1st round pick this year --but likely to pass with that one as well. They have a second shot at Rosen at a discounted rate, but likely to pass there as well. So if the pass on all that, we're probably looking at passing on QBs three times in the first round in years where likely 9 of them go in the first while spending an abundance of draft capital elsewhere.

If the team decides to pass on the QBs again, that is fine. But if they do so and don't trade any of their draft assets to put themselves in position to finally make a legitimate run at someone next year then they are outright irresponsible. At least trade your second round pick for a 1 next year. Because the QBs next year are not going to be easily had. So if that's the plan, they had better prepare for it, not just spend all their available resource and wing it next year.

In comment 14387438 UberAlias said:

Quote:

In comment 14387160 WillVAB said: Quote: In comment 14387061 JonC said: Quote: I believe you'll get your wish. The prospect deck is loaded for it, as you said. Their first three picks should be foundation players. Nice. It’s the smart play. What's not a smart play is to continue to pass on QB with major assets with no preparation to land one in the future. If the plan is to defer QB to next year, it's a terrible plan if they simply decide to "wing it" with whatever draft picks they fall into next season.

They have a ton of cap space next year and a ton of picks this year.

They could trade a bunch of draft picks next year to move up for a QB if they need to. The picks this year and space next year should set the roster up where giving up some picks in the future won’t sting.

The absolute wrong decision to make is to draft a QB bc they’re at 6. Or bc a name may fall to 17. Lets be real — at the end of the college season the majority opinion around here was Herbert or bust. Nothing’s really changed besides media hype on a handful of QBs.

As far as last year’s QB crop goes, none of those guys have shown that the Giants made a mistake passing on them. All of their issues heading into the draft remained the same when they laced them up on Sundays.

I very clearly said they shouldn’t if they weren’t high on any of them. But to ignore the need over and over again without any preparation to make a future move would be foolish. After years of passing, you would hope they would be smart enough not to simply roll the dice and hope.

In comment 14387783 UberAlias said:

Quote:

I very clearly said they shouldn’t if they weren’t high on any of them. But to ignore the need over and over again without any preparation to make a future move would be foolish. After years of passing, you would hope they would be smart enough not to simply roll the dice and hope.

They aren’t ignoring it. They’ve done their due diligence on all of the QBs last year and this year. Look at the time and visits the organization has spent on QB prospects this year.

They aren’t rolling the dice and hoping. DG is rebuilding the roster the right way, and if they’re in a position to grab the next QB they love they will. I suspect that will happen in 2020.

The QB position isn’t just some other need. It’s the single most important element to a teams sustained success. You can’t just say we will draft a QB next year. For any of the top prospects you have to be in position to draft them. If they don’t suck next year or don’t transfer some draft assets from this year to next year, very good odds they won’t be in position to draft one of the top prospects. That’s a fact. I doubt the plan is to suck this year. Hence if they intend to draft a guy next year they would be wise to prepare accordingly.

Is three players, how far down tier 2 goes will be critical to any trades down (assuming there will be a willing partner).

Because it makes sense. The problem to me is overvaluing a QB and using the 6th pick on a guy just because he might not make it to 17.

Many have Haskins, some think Lock and a few think Jones.

One thing I know, there is a good chance they like somebody who may be available at pick 37. Grier, Finley or Stidham could all be possible choices and in reality, how far behind are they from Haskins, Lock or Jones?

My hope is a trade for Rosen materializes and we use the 37th pick to make it happen. Otherwise Lock is the most exciting QB to me. I think a year on the bench learning from Eli and having Shurmur and Shula work with him will refine his skills. He already has a rocket arm and good size and has played against tough competition for 4 years.

that if Giants have no conviction in QBs that could have been had in last year's draft, in Free Agency or this year's draft, then they need to sell some of their draft collateral to gain an extra #1 for 2020.

A brand new shiny QB isn't going to just wind up on their doorstep in a basket one day...

I totally get it, let's see what happens.