We give #17 overall and a 5 rd pick and a 4th next year.
We get Rosen and AZ 2nd rd pick (# 33)
We then draft Def at #6 and and with our 2nd rd picks we draft 2 def players or 1def and RT or WR.
AZ gets their first rd pick for Rosen plus other picks and we get qb of future and still keep Peppers and 3 picks in top 37 this year.
why would we give up a 1st rounder in any scenario??
He's reportedly worth a #2 at best.
Overpaying for the sake of it seems like a bad move.
in effect you are trading down from 15 to 33 and getting Josh Rosen as compensation. After 2 rounds of the draft the Giants would have whoever they take at 6, 33, 37 and Josh Rosen. That's a pretty good outcome.
dependent upon number of starts (or maybe percentage). I would be steadfastly committed to trading up high into the first round in 2020 to take one of the top 3 QB's. Rosen could then fight it out with Tanney for the backup spot. Or, if he can out compete , say, Fromm, then (Fromm (for example) would get lots of first team reps for when Rosen retired. Anything else, would be a dealbreaker for me.
nobody wants him. Washington seems to be not interested anymore. Offer them a 3rd and a 5th his value goes down as soon as they pick Murray
If they like him (BIG IF), I'd offer something like Cleveland's 3rd rounder this year plus a max of a 3rd rounder next year (which one would think would be recouped by virtue of a compensatory pick for Collins):
Then the '19 draft could look like this:
1 ER Josh Allen (sneaking suspicion he slides a bit)
1a LB Devin Bush
2 DE Zach Allen
3 QB Josh Rosen
4 OL Michael Dieter
4a CB Iman Marshall
5 CB Corey Ballentine
5a OL Alex Bars
5b WR Lil Jordan Humphey
6 RB LJ Scott
7 P Tyler Newsome
Sounds possible as far as value too. Nice idea.
probably do that trade, but there is no way the Giants would. As has been discussed, the Giants are interested in Rosen, but will likely be outbid by someone else. That's just the way it goes sometimes. We need to focus on getting a QB elsewhere. My hope is that's next year.
The Giants are not in love with Rosen. Who knows, maybe a smoke screen, maybe not. The next few weeks should be very interesting, and we may even get to see a few BBI heads explode like year when the team didn't grab Darnold.
I like the idea of the Giants giving another pick this year and one next year. I really like getting a pick back but maybe a third round pick. Maybe swap third round picks.
Cardinals donít need more picks and the Giants extra picks are too low to have much value.
All that said, I would have been happy to get Rosen last year st 17 and he didnít do anything to devalue himself except play down to the level of the rest of the team.
Trade Giants 2nd and 3rd for Rosen and Cards 4th. Giants throw in any other 3rd day picks they like, although Cards donít need more draft picks this year.
accept a conditional pick based on starts with Eli still on the Giants. We all know Eli is going to be the starter unless they go down the toilet again or he gets injured. Why would the Cards agree to a conditional pick when they know Rosen going to be the starter in his first year on the team?
...when Rosen ISN'T going to be the starter
why AZ is dumping their 1st RD pick after only 1 year.
For 2nd round this year and two 5ís this year
about Josh Rosen to Giants.
Honestly, I can't wait for this to be over. I'd almost rather that bum get traded to the Giants so BBI can get the fuck over it already. Who cares if we suck another 3 years straight at this point? At least I'll have the schadenfreude.
This year is too rich in front 7 to use this years picks.
Hell, he was arguably the top QB in last years draft (at least he was considered by some analysts to be the top QB last year). I'd absolutely give the #37 pick and something else. I may even give the #17, if we get around that pick and it looks like we'll take a QB (like Jones) then why not? We're getting a QB with that pick anyway, and he's better than anyone we will get.
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| why AZ is dumping their 1st RD pick after only 1 year.
Because they are a mismanaged front office who hired and fired their head coach after only one season is the reason.
Why are people so down on him. He didnt have a good first year but neither did Goff or Eli. Eli y/g-115, passer rating-54. Rosen y/g-163, passer rating-67.
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| Why are people so down on him. He didnt have a good first year but neither did Goff or Eli. Eli y/g-115, passer rating-54. Rosen y/g-163, passer rating-67.
And Eli took over a 5-4 team, Rosen got launched into a dumpster fire in which they fired the offensive coordinator mid-year and replaced him with the QB coach who had no coordinating experience.
Compared to the other drafted QB's, Mayfield aside, he was pretty much the same. This is impressive considering his situation was definitely the worst, AZ was the worst team in football and the OL was horrible.
Cmp Att % PPG Yards YPP TD INT QB Rating
Sam Darnold 239 414 57.7 31.8 2,865 6.9 17 15 77.6
Josh Rosen 217 393 55.2 28.1 2,278 5.8 11 14 66.7
Josh Allen 169 320 52.8 26.7 2,074 6.5 10 12 67.9