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Dwayne Haskins

Chris684 : 4/15/2019 9:12 am
I'm having more trouble understanding His status as a prospect. I'm really looking forward to Sy's rankings to shed some more light on this situation.

Rumors that he's falling out of 1st round (seems like BS) yet every draft publication I read has him as, at worst, the 2nd rated QB prospect after Murray, and in some cases, guys like Rob Rang and Bucky Brooks have him as the #1 rated QB prospect.

None of the insiders (jt, JonC, etc) have mentioned any level of interest in Haskins yet Shurmur and the whole NYG contingent was front and center at his pro day.

I'm starting to wonder if the reason why we haven't heard anything about him is deeper than lack of interest.
I worry  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/15/2019 9:16 am : link
that, in very unlike Giant fashion, DG and the coaching staff are keeping mum because they want to draft Haskins. I am not thrilled by that idea. I am not interested in another statue-like QB. Not in this era of football.
I think DGís interest in Barkley and his sharing of  
Big Blue '56 : 4/15/2019 9:16 am : link
it, was an outlier. Everyone pretty much knew where SB was going if the Browns didnít take him. This time around, DG hasnít said squat beyond generalities. So, we really have zero idea what his and Shurmurís true feelings on the prospects are, especially Haskins, imv
Picking 6 and in love with a player....  
George from PA : 4/15/2019 9:19 am : link
Requires mis-direction.

Leaking to asshats would be part of it.

Its lying season....anything is possible.
Got  
AcidTest : 4/15/2019 9:20 am : link
to believe the Giants would take him at #17, but I have a hard time believing he'll fall that far. QBs tend to be overdrafted. At this point, I think Murray, Haskins, and Lock will all be gone by #17. What will be interesting is if the Giants trade up from #17 for the one that's left.
One thing that makes me think about Haskins is that last season was  
Ira : 4/15/2019 9:22 am : link
his first as a full time starter. Most college qb's improve significantly from year to year as starters.

On the other side, he's less mobile than Eli. His 40 time is probably along the lines of a qb you may have heard of named Tom Brady.
RE: One thing that makes me think about Haskins is that last season was  
Big Rick in FL : 4/15/2019 9:24 am : link
In comment 14386844 Ira said:
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his first as a full time starter. Most college qb's improve significantly from year to year as starters.

On the other side, he's less mobile than Eli. His 40 time is probably along the lines of a qb you may have heard of named Tom Brady.


He's not less mobile then Eli.
I have not heard one rumor that he is falling out of first round  
ZogZerg : 4/15/2019 9:37 am : link
I suggest you un-follow whatever BS person posted that rumor.

Haskins is clearly a first round QB and will go top 15 for sure.
The only one less mobile  
Big Blue '56 : 4/15/2019 9:39 am : link
than Eli is Fat Mara, I believe. :)
RE: I have not heard one rumor that he is falling out of first round  
English Alaister : 4/15/2019 9:41 am : link
In comment 14386856 ZogZerg said:
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I suggest you un-follow whatever BS person posted that rumor.

Haskins is clearly a first round QB and will go top 15 for sure.


Lot of chat Haskins is falling to #4 in the pecking order. I highly doubt he goes top 15 if true.
The Patriots will draft him....  
nzyme : 4/15/2019 9:44 am : link
Since they seem to have no problem winning Super Bowls every other year with a 42 year old immobile QB. Then the whole NFL fan base will say how stupid the Giants were for not drafting him.... :)
NYG had to do their due diligence of him  
MM_in_NYC : 4/15/2019 9:45 am : link
That they scouted him heavily is not surprising nor should it be taken to mean anything other than that it was a basic job responsibility for them.

Personally, I see some issues with his game that I believe are leading to the negative turn his stock is taking as we get closer. Of course, it only takes one team to not to be part of that negative turn and boom, he's a top 10/top 5 pick.
RE: RE: I have not heard one rumor that he is falling out of first round  
ZogZerg : 4/15/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14386862 English Alaister said:
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In comment 14386856 ZogZerg said:


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I suggest you un-follow whatever BS person posted that rumor.

Haskins is clearly a first round QB and will go top 15 for sure.



Lot of chat Haskins is falling to #4 in the pecking order. I highly doubt he goes top 15 if true.


Can you link just ONE piece of "chatter" that says Hankins is dropping to #4?
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Peppers : 4/15/2019 9:48 am : link
From what I heard thereís a lot of support for Haskins within NYG.. but Iíd be lying if I said where he ranks among the other prospects.

Itís been pretty quiet from them. A lot of whatís been out there has been speculation or guess work.
All indications remain  
JonC : 4/15/2019 9:50 am : link
defense at #6. #17 is less certain, which is where jt's info of them considering QB before OL or another defender is interesting.
RE: All indications remain  
Big Rick in FL : 4/15/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14386880 JonC said:
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defense at #6. #17 is less certain, which is where jt's info of them considering QB before OL or another defender is interesting.


I saw you say the other day you haven't heard anything about Ed Oliver. So what happens if Bosa, Allen, Quinnen & White go off the board in the top 5? Where do they go from there?
Admittedly, I feel a sense of desperation to identify the next QB  
Pep22 : 4/15/2019 10:03 am : link
Not sure if I like Lock or Haskins better:

Edge to Haskins:

Seems to have more favorable opinions in terms of mental part of the game.
Accuracy is elite.
While younger, he seems well coached by Ryan Day.

Edge to Lock:

Pure arm strength (Haskins is above avg, Lock is elite).
Better athlete.
Taller (slightly).
More experience.

I hope the idea of Daniel Jones is dismissed.
Nothing exact  
JonC : 4/15/2019 10:04 am : link
but I'd assume it would be a choice of Oliver, Gary, or perhaps Sweat, if they're ok with his heard condition (I'm not).
RE: All indications remain  
Peppers : 4/15/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14386880 JonC said:
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defense at #6. #17 is less certain, which is where jt's info of them considering QB before OL or another defender is interesting.


Just a good example of guess work.

At 6 itís easy to say the BPA will be a defensive player. So we can assume its a higher probability that the Giants go defense there.

At 17 Itís a little harder to pinpoint who will be the best available. Itís much easier to say theyíll possibly take a QB at that pick because thatís where the value seems to be lining up. Also, itíll be much easier for Gettleman to defend the Beckham trade if the pick was spent on a QB. So again, safe bet.

Anyone who has gone into detail about what the giants plans are or thought process is have been out right lying. Thereís only been a few whispers on who a few within the organization like. Other than that, itís sifting through your typical pre-draft B.S.
RE: Nothing exact  
Big Rick in FL : 4/15/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14386899 JonC said:
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but I'd assume it would be a choice of Oliver, Gary, or perhaps Sweat, if they're ok with his heard condition (I'm not).


Why aren't you ok with his heart condition? The NFL didn't shut him down at the combine or bring him back for medical recheck.
RE: RE: Nothing exact  
JonC : 4/15/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14386911 Big Rick in FL said:
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but I'd assume it would be a choice of Oliver, Gary, or perhaps Sweat, if they're ok with his heard condition (I'm not).



Why aren't you ok with his heart condition? The NFL didn't shut him down at the combine or bring him back for medical recheck.


Need more details, that info isn't good enough.
RE: RE: All indications remain  
JonC : 4/15/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14386910 Peppers said:
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In comment 14386880 JonC said:


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defense at #6. #17 is less certain, which is where jt's info of them considering QB before OL or another defender is interesting.



Just a good example of guess work.

At 6 itís easy to say the BPA will be a defensive player. So we can assume its a higher probability that the Giants go defense there.

At 17 Itís a little harder to pinpoint who will be the best available. Itís much easier to say theyíll possibly take a QB at that pick because thatís where the value seems to be lining up. Also, itíll be much easier for Gettleman to defend the Beckham trade if the pick was spent on a QB. So again, safe bet.

Anyone who has gone into detail about what the giants plans are or thought process is have been out right lying. Thereís only been a few whispers on who a few within the organization like. Other than that, itís sifting through your typical pre-draft B.S.


It lines up with what I've heard to this point, which granted has been lean this year so far.
Sweat  
JonC : 4/15/2019 10:18 am : link
If you're old enough to recall Cedric Jones, you'll understand hesitation over Sweat, or any other significant potential medical flag. A lot of younger posters on this forum aren't old enough to understand age/defect/ailment.
RE: Sweat  
Rjanyg : 4/15/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14386921 JonC said:
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If you're old enough to recall Cedric Jones, you'll understand hesitation over Sweat, or any other significant potential medical flag. A lot of younger posters on this forum aren't old enough to understand age/defect/ailment.


Yeah Cedric Jones was an awful pick. Reaching for a pass rusher who is legally blind in 1 eye not a good pick, especially when you could have drafted Ray Lewis.
RE: Sweat  
Big Rick in FL : 4/15/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14386921 JonC said:
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If you're old enough to recall Cedric Jones, you'll understand hesitation over Sweat, or any other significant potential medical flag. A lot of younger posters on this forum aren't old enough to understand age/defect/ailment.


I'm not sure of the correlation of the two. The Giants didn't know of him being blind in one eye. All NFL teams know about this. They've stopped many guys from participating in the combine due to injuries. They let him perform and didn't think it was serious enough to even check it out again.
It's an example  
JonC : 4/15/2019 10:30 am : link
of the team not completing due diligence and wasting a top 5 draft pick on a medical flag that should've gone up.

Better safe than sorry, they can't afford to blow this pick.
I think Allen could be there at #6  
JonC : 4/15/2019 10:35 am : link
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RE: RE: Sweat  
Big Blue '56 : 4/15/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14386928 Rjanyg said:
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If you're old enough to recall Cedric Jones, you'll understand hesitation over Sweat, or any other significant potential medical flag. A lot of younger posters on this forum aren't old enough to understand age/defect/ailment.



Yeah Cedric Jones was an awful pick. Reaching for a pass rusher who is legally blind in 1 eye not a good pick, especially when you could have drafted Ray Lewis.


Jones was an awful pick, but in fairness, wasnít Lewis bypassed by 20 teams or more?
RE: I think Allen could be there at #6  
Big Rick in FL : 4/15/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14386945 JonC said:
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I think so too. Been saying it since before the combine. Just a gut feeling he's gonna fall right into our laps.
Smokescreen trying not to drive the price up  
Maineline : 4/15/2019 10:58 am : link
If Haskins is there at 6 he will be the pick. They will pick BPA in the event he is not. They are not willing to pay the price if they had to move up to get him.
Haskins  
JonC : 4/15/2019 11:13 am : link
probably goes in the teens, imo.
if Allen is there at 6  
cjac : 4/15/2019 11:19 am : link
you have to take him


I still think he's going to the Jets
We have to hope that this regime  
ColHowPepper : 4/15/2019 11:23 am : link
approaches their board differently than the predecessor's. If their board has a "BPA" that is not skewed by positional need in the case of a QB, we hope the braintrust stays true to their scouting and assessments. We hope there is no creeping up from Row 2 to Row 1 to fill that need.

From what the broad consensus of draft gurus (including BBI's own) is saying, the top defensive players/ERs/DTs are given better grades. So, yes, JonC's and gt's handicapping makes sense. I don't know why those indications should be tarnished by asserting that it is guesswork. Hopefully the two jibe.

And I don't know what Ira spiked his coffee with this AM. LOL
Sometimes it's eduated guesswork  
JonC : 4/15/2019 11:30 am : link
High draft picks are often not well kept secrets, and as we're closer to being on the clock the less guesswork it tends to be.
RE: RE: RE: I have not heard one rumor that he is falling out of first round  
DonQuixote : 4/15/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14386874 ZogZerg said:
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In comment 14386862 English Alaister said:


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In comment 14386856 ZogZerg said:


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I suggest you un-follow whatever BS person posted that rumor.

Haskins is clearly a first round QB and will go top 15 for sure.



Lot of chat Haskins is falling to #4 in the pecking order. I highly doubt he goes top 15 if true.



Can you link just ONE piece of "chatter" that says Hankins is dropping to #4?


Here. Donít call someone a BS person if you canít care enough to google it.
Lonk - ( New Window )
This is the trap that people fall into  
Brown Recluse : 4/15/2019 11:42 am : link
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Rumors that he's falling out of 1st round (seems like BS) yet every draft publication I read has him as, at worst, the 2nd rated QB prospect after Murray, and in some cases, guys like Rob Rang and Bucky Brooks have him as the #1 rated QB prospect.


Assuming that draft publications and draft "experts" are in sync with NFL teams.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I have not heard one rumor that he is falling out of first round  
ZogZerg : 4/15/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14387046 DonQuixote said:
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Here. Donít call someone a BS person if you canít care enough to google it. Lonk - ( New Window )


Thanks for linking the Chatter that says Haskins could go #4.

But, where is the link to "chatter" saying he could drop to the second round? Reading comprehension helps, maybe you need to try reading the thread again.

BTW, Don't tell me what to call people.
Thanks Peppers  
twostepgiants : 4/15/2019 6:41 pm : link
Great info. As always.
Haskins  
Archer : 4/15/2019 6:42 pm : link
I believe that one concern that the Giants could have with Haskins is that he was not in shape at the combine
He ran a 5:04 forty and did not participate other drills
While he threw well at his pro day, he was sweating profusely and he did not partake of any of the physical tests

It appears that Haskins was not physically prepared for his most important interview
That could raise a red flag



Peppers  
twostepgiants : 4/15/2019 6:45 pm : link
Do you have any sense if Rosen is in play if he becomes available?

Thank you.
RE: Haskins  
PatersonPlank : 4/15/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14387013 JonC said:
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probably goes in the teens, imo.


The Bengals may grab him
RE: Haskins  
blueblood : 4/15/2019 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14387756 Archer said:
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I believe that one concern that the Giants could have with Haskins is that he was not in shape at the combine
He ran a 5:04 forty and did not participate other drills
While he threw well at his pro day, he was sweating profusely and he did not partake of any of the physical tests

It appears that Haskins was not physically prepared for his most important interview
That could raise a red flag




Honestly some of this is stupid IMO. He sweated a lot?? big friggin deal.. some people sweat a lot...

This is how stupid the sweating issue is..

DNA affects how much you sweat.

"Why do some people sweat more in certain areas than others? Much has to do with your DNA (or predisposition to sweating). Some people start sweating in a particular area ó like their armpits or feet ó because those glands react to the brain's signal first. Hyperhidrosis (excessive sweating) is also a hereditary condition influenced by your genes."

". As you build endurance, your body becomes more adept at sweating to keep you cool. Studies show athletes sweat sooner and more heavily than untrained people because they have a higher maximum oxygen uptake ó a measure of high cardiovascular fitness and aerobic endurance. "

Thats how stupid the whole " he was sweating a lot argument is to me" I personally know people who are well conditioned endurance athletes and some of them will start sweating profusely VERY quickly into a workout...
Haskins I have no clue .  
Bluesbreaker : 4/15/2019 9:35 pm : link
There is just something about him that I just don't feel
comfortable with him . There wasn't a ton of tape on him
But he just looks soft and when he was truly pressured
he looked less than average even with the eye popping
stats his WR's took short passes and made huge gains
he certainly had a lot of talent around him but he
is not all that athletic . DG has been mum and thats
good to me Barkley was a no-brainer despite all the
QB's sitting there it won't break my heart if they
wait another season and go after Fromm or Tua .
Just help the defense and pickup a RT .
I want Josh Allen and at 17 Dexter Lawrence .
RE: Peppers  
Peppers : 4/16/2019 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14387760 twostepgiants said:
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Do you have any sense if Rosen is in play if he becomes available?

Thank you.


I know they've shown interest.. Fans can say what they will about Gettleman so far but one thing I've picked up is that he isn't leaving any stone unturned.
Defense at #6 and trade up from #17 with the draft capital the Giants  
GFAN52 : 4/16/2019 7:05 pm : link
have to grab a QB or another falling player on their board. I know DG has never traded up, but there's always a first time. No guts no glory as he says.
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