would you be willing to trade both #1 picks this year for? Knowing you would have to pay them top dollar on top of the trade cost and they would be added to the current roster with no help for the deffense coming until rd 2.
Started thinking about it when someone told me the Giants should trade both picks for Russel Wilson and sign him to the contract he wants.
My list is short.
Mahomes and Luck. Thats it.
Rodgers just misses out he is just past his prime and injuries have lowered his ability to elevate his team. If it was just picks or just money there would be more guys on my list.
Whos on your list?
If we are going to get this team competitive again, we need good players in each side of the ball.
Mahomes is a sexy choice, but I am not sure I would do that either. Keep your picks and get as many good players as possible.
If you are only trading two picks, you are only losing out in on player.
In this unrealistic hypothetical scenario, the list should be pretty long.
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and you know it. You're assuming both situations are the same and the same outcome would have happened if you switched player A for player B. Thats not how sports work.
If thats where you are going with this, you know you are just creating an argument with me that the simple minds would eat up. But neither you or I would believe.
Why not bring up the stat of Saquan being hit the qucikest of any QB in the history of the game? Barkley was being hit within a yard of the LOS for the majority of the year. Mike Davis, Chris Carson, and Rashad penny all averaged more than 4.6 yards per carry. Lets not act they struggled as runners.
My point is just that Wilson makes the Seattle OL look better in the stats column than they are in real life. And you were just as guilty of what I did when you only listed the league rankings for Seattle's rushing offense without noting that Wilson makes up a sizable chunk of that from year to year (anywhere from 15-35% of their rushing totals in any given season).
I didnt say he didnt play a role. but lets not act like the RBs didnt have success on their own.
And I acknowledged they arent a good pass blocking team. But they have been a good run blocking team. What I said is not untrue, is it?
See to me, I think the success of Seattles' run game was because their OL could block and I woul say Barkley succeeded because he was able to do thigns other RBs couldnt do and not because of our OL.
I would say that having a QB that defenses still fear does a hell of a lot to keep your offense in a favorable position including letting a trio of junior varsity tailbacks pile up a respectable total.
It's all interconnected. The Giants OL sucks, yes. But if defenses were still afraid of Eli, I don't think Barkley would face so many stacked boxes.
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are you going on recrod saying that if the Giants had Carson, Penny, and Davis over barkley or run game would be as good if not better?
See to me, I think the success of Seattles' run game was because their OL could block and I woul say Barkley succeeded because he was able to do thigns other RBs couldnt do and not because of our OL.
I would say that having a QB that defenses still fear does a hell of a lot to keep your offense in a favorable position including letting a trio of junior varsity tailbacks pile up a respectable total.
It's all interconnected. The Giants OL sucks, yes. But if defenses were still afraid of Eli, I don't think Barkley would face so many stacked boxes.
Most teams played cover 2 when Odell was there. So they didnt need to stack the box and this has been backed up by coverage statistics.
And Wilson's rushing total this past season was the lowest of his career. The designed runs for him are going down. Why? Because the OL can run block.
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Fuck man, it's a passing league. Fluker couldn't crack our starting line up for a while. He started in Seattle. Let that sink in. You watched him, he can't pass block for shit. I live in the Seattle market. Every single Seahawk fan knows the OL is shit and complains about them non stop. When you argue that Seattle has a good OL you are making a fool of yourself. It seems as though EVERYONE but you knows Seattle has had a terrible OL.
You're looking at it the wrong way. I admit Seattles wasnt good at pass blocking, but Fluker was a helluva run blocker for us and why he fit in well there. They EXCELLED in run blocking. EXCELLED.
If the average Seattle fan doesnt see that, thats their problem.
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Again, we need to separate Pass blocking from run blockign cause I agree that their pass blocking hasnt been good.
But you are using formulas to determine success. I am using game results. Seattle, outside 2016-2017 has been one of the best rushing teams in the NFL for awhile. And Wilson has contributed to that but Lynch was one of the best RBs in the leagues in his prime. As GD stated, the JV RBs had a shit ton of success this year. Thoma sRawls, when not injured, put up great numbers.
That is because their OL can run block very well. You dont run the ball well with a shitty blocking OL. We should know first hand...
Now snap back to reality and realize that we'll probably have Manning for yet another year followed by Daniel Jones. Ugh.
No matter where Wilson plays, the concept of designed running plays for Wilson is going to decrease.
Bahahahaha. What a crock of shit. I'd love to see Murray here how's that for ya?
Eli is a favorite player of mine but I'd be happy to have Wilson here. There is now way that will happen. That said (again and again and again), with even mediocre pass protection Eli will be competitive.
And I'm not sure how people are arguing against the run blocking of Seattle. Yes their pass blocking was close to as bad as ours. But our RBs were also literally being hit 6 inches on average after receiving a handoff. If you don't think that makes it harder for an offense, I just don't know what to say.
There is zero chance Mahomes plays under the 5th year option. If he dosent regress he will want a new contract next year and if Wilson got 35 per he will get 40+. Mahomes contract is going to be a crazy number.
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If he is not signed by tonight he will be FA next year
Luck and Pat Mahomes are the real deal
Seattle can franchise Wilson for 2 years at a reasonable cost after this year.
Reasonable cost? Under the franchise tag he will likely be the highest paid QB in the league (or very close to it) for that franchised season.
I read 30 million first year, 36 the 2nd.
Sorry so late to respond. Forgot to follow-up.
$30M would be good for 2nd highest. Tied with Matt Ryan. Rogers averages $33.5M. Naturally, $36M would be the highest. Since it's suppose to be the average of the highest 3 paid or 120% of player's average yearly salary (whichever is higher and in this case the 3 highest salaries are higher), I believe he would actually get $30.5M bumping Ryan down to 3rd highest.