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History of players drafted at 6, 17 and 37...

M.S. : 4/15/2019 10:49 am
...here's a look at the 63 picks that went #6, #17 and #37 for the Draft Years 1998 - 2018.

A few observations:
(1) You're supposed to get a pretty good player with these selections, but as you can see from below, sometimes you do... and sometimes you don't;

(2) A quick perusal of the list seems to reveal (subjectively) that maybe these selections got better in more recent years (say, 2011 onward);

(3) Check out the offensive linemen; very few "misses" in twenty-one Drafts. It seems (subjectively) that it was a lot more hit-or-miss along the defensive front;

(4) The Giants have never drafted in any of these slots (at least for the past 21 years).


Apologies ahead of time for the formatting which runs:
Draft Year
Player Selected
NFL Team
Position
College Team


Sixth Overall Selection
1998 Wistrom, Grant St. Louis Rams DE Nebraska
1999 Holt, Torry St. Louis Rams WR North Carolina St.
2000 Simon, Corey Philadelphia Eagles DT Florida St
2001 Seymour, Richard New England Patriots DT Georgia
2002 Sims, Ryan Kansas City Chiefs DT North Carolina
2003 Sullivan, Johnathan New Orleans Saints DT Georgia
2004 Winslow, Kellen Cleveland Browns TE Miami (Fla)
2005 Jones, Adam Tennessee Titans DB West Virginia
2006 Davis, Vernon San Francisco 49ers TE Maryland
2007 Landry, LaRon Washington Redskins DB LSU
2008 Gholston, Vernon New York Jets DE Ohio State
2009 Smith, Andre Cincinnati Bengals OT Alabama
2010 Okung, Russell Seattle Seahawks OT Oklahoma State
2011 Jones, Julio Atlanta Falcons WR Alabama
2012 Claiborne, Morris Dallas Cowboys DC LSU
2013 Mingo, Barkevious Cleveland Browns OB LSU
2014 Matthews, Jake Atlanta Falcons OT Texas A& M
2015 Williams, Leonard New York Jets DT Southern Cal
2016 Stanley, Ronnie Baltimore Ravens OT Notre Dame
2017 Adams, Jamal New York Jets SS LSU
2018 Nelson, Quenton Indianapolis Colts OG Notre Dame

Seventeenth Overall Selection
1998 Simmons, Brian Cincinnati Bengals LB North Carolina
1999 Woody, Damien New England Patriots C Boston College
2000 Janikowski, Sebastian Oakland Raiders K Florida St.
2001 Hutchinson, Steve Seattle Seahawks G Michigan
2002 Buchanon, Phillip Oakland Raiders DB Miami (Fla)
2003 Johnson, Bryant Arizona Cardinals WR Penn St.
2004 Williams, D.J. Denver Broncos LB Miami (Fla)
2005 Pollack, David Cincinnati Bengals LB Georgia
2006 Greenway, Chad Minnesota Vikings LB Iowa
2007 Moss, Jarvis Denver Broncos DE Florida
2008 Cherilus, Gosder Detroit Lions OT Boston College
2009 Freeman, Josh Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB Kansas State
2010 Lupati, Mike San Francisco 49ers OG Idaho
2011 Solder, Nate New England Patriots OT Colorado
2012 Kirkpatrick, Dre Cincinnati Bengals DC Alabama
2013 Jones, Jarvis Pittsburgh Steelers OB Georgia
2014 Mosley, CJ Baltimore Ravens IB Alabama
2015 Armstead, Arik San Francisco 49ers DE Oregon
2016 Neal, Keanu Atlanta Falcons SS Florida
2017 Allen, Jonathan Washington Redskins DT Alabama
2018 James, Derwin Los Angeles Chargers SS Florida State

Thirty-Seventh Overall Selection
1998 Holcombe, Robert St. Louis Rams RB Illinois
1999 Jansen, Jon Washington Redskins T Michigan
2000 Claridge, Travis Atlanta Falcons T USC
2001 Idrees, Bashir Indianapolis Colts DB Memphis
2002 Gurode, Andre Dallas Cowboys G Colorado
2003 Stinchcomb, Jon New Orleans Saints T Georgia
2004 Lehman, Teddy Detroit Lions LB Oklahoma
2005 Cody, Shaun Detroit Lions DT USC
2006 Williams, Jimmy Atlanta Falcons DB Virginia Tech
2007 Weddle, Eric San Diego Chargers DB Utah
2008 Lofton, Curtis Atlanta Falcons LB Oklahoma
2009 Smith, Alphonso Cleveland Browns CB Wake Forest
2010 Allen, Nate Philadelphia Eagles FS South Florida
2011 Sheard, Jabaal Cleveland Browns DE Pittsburgh
2012 Schwartz, Mitchell Cleveland Browns OT California
2013 Bernard, Giovani Cincinnati Bengals RB North Carolina
2014 Hageman, Ra'Shede Atlanta Falcons DT Minnesota
2015 Smith, Devin New York Jets WR Ohio State
2016 Jones, Chris Kansas City Chiefs DT Mississippi State
2017 Jones, Zay Buffalo Bills WR East Carolina
2018 Smith, Braden Indianapolis Colts OG Auburn
All 3 need to be Day 1  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/15/2019 11:07 am : link
contributors and mainstays for DG's sake
This list demonstrates  
Jarvis : 4/15/2019 11:12 am : link
Why trading 1 or more of these picks to possibly move up or obtain a player isnít so terrible. The odds on all 3 players the Giants draft being impactful is very low.
especially 17  
Ron Johnson : 4/15/2019 11:14 am : link
which is the biggest piece of the Beckham trade.

Pretty much a 'must hit on' pick for Dave
Thank you.  
Angus : 4/15/2019 12:05 pm : link
The lesson being - the draft is a crap shoot.
RE: Thank you.  
M.S. : 4/15/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14387093 Angus said:
Quote:
The lesson being - the draft is a crap shoot.

Yep, end of story.
Hoping Gettleman has a bit of luck!

RE: This list demonstrates  
crackerjack465 : 4/15/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14387010 Jarvis said:
Quote:
Why trading 1 or more of these picks to possibly move up or obtain a player isnít so terrible. The odds on all 3 players the Giants draft being impactful is very low.


I guess, or you can look at it in a different way; there are pro bowlers at all three draft spots and draft busts at all three draft slots... acquire as many draft picks as possible and hope you hit on a few of them. You can use all your picks on one guy and strike out.
Thanks to the OP on the thread  
bluetothegrave : 4/15/2019 12:10 pm : link
Good work on the post. It certainly is hit or miss and your list really hits home. Lots of these guys were busts. This is the biggest Giant draft possibly in their history. Coming off 2 bad bad seasons and in the last 7 seasons only 1 gross playoff appearance. 12 draft picks including 2 in the first round. It must start turning around now.

Gettlemen being questioned and rightly so about his age and is he with it, plus he hasn't done shit yet as a Giant GM or nothing that we can tangibly see results with yet, nor really would you expect to in his first year with an awful last 5 years draft history before he took over.

DG's claim to fame..what hes supposedly great at is the draft and assesing talent. We need the best draft in the NFL this year. The positive news on that is we are set up with it with the 6 pick in every rd (except 3) and 6 extra picks including pick 17.

Even a good draft won't cut it. We need a historic draft.
well  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2019 12:11 pm : link
that was depressing.
Just get me a football player  
Carl in CT : 4/15/2019 12:22 pm : link
I donít care what position.
You should get good picks at spots 9 & 10 as well  
ZogZerg : 4/15/2019 12:25 pm : link
That hasn't worked out so well for the Giants.
Alex, I'll take CJ Molsely at #17  
ZogZerg : 4/15/2019 12:26 pm : link
..
I try to be more positive...  
Reb8thVA : 4/15/2019 12:46 pm : link
The chances that we will draft a player that is better than th ones on the roster at each of those picks is pretty high because the bar is so low.
The lesson here is that...  
since1925 : 4/15/2019 1:07 pm : link
The person doing the drafting is the most important part of the draft equation.
The draft is always, ALWAYS a crapshoot.  
81_Great_Dane : 4/15/2019 1:17 pm : link
A lot of fans overvalue draft choices -- and get enraged at the GM if/when picks don't pan out. The reality is: a LOT of picks don't pan out, for every GM and every team. There are a lot more Ereck Flowers and William Josephs than David Diehls or Ahmad Bradshaws.

This is why it isn't "insane" to talk about packaging a bunch of picks for Russell Wilson. I think it's a bad idea, in part because if you are going to pay your QB that much money, you need some good, young, cost-controlled players or you're going to be fighting just to be mediocre (like Tarkenton's Giants), but it's not a crazy idea. Draft picks are a roll of the dice. Russell Wilson is a proven commodity at the most important position on the field.

On the other hand, as the GM you'd like to have more confidence in your scouts than that.
With the 7th pick of the 1979 NFL draft, the NY Giants select ....  
Spider56 : 4/15/2019 2:30 pm : link
Phil who? Huh ? But look how it turned out ... you just never know.
What this tells me  
FrankieR : 4/15/2019 2:40 pm : link
Is that we shouldnt be afraid to package 37 and 17 to move up. We have tons of draft capital and getting back into the 2nd shouldnt be too hard. Especially with teams like the Seahawks who need more picks.
It also tells me that Rashan Gary  
FrankieR : 4/15/2019 2:41 pm : link
Should not be in the discussiin for 6. I would love to stay put and pick where we are, but if aomebody slips, we need to move up.
DG needs a Colts draft  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/16/2019 8:31 am : link
From last year to fall for hin
Gettleman should be able to pick  
Frank from CA : 4/16/2019 2:57 pm : link
three NFL football players with picks 6, 17 and 37. They may not be All Pros or HOFers but they should be quality NFL players. Please do not let this FO of the hook. They need to do better with the draft, trades and FA. Right now they are spending a lot of time defending their 'Plan' and rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. There is no CAP on scouts and there should be talent evaluating talent. The more players you draft, successfully, the less FA money you will need waste later. The more value FAs you sign successfully the less big ticket players you have to gamble on (the latest is the Left Tackle).

Yes the draft is a crap shoot because the humans you are drafting have many components you cannot control and you are depending on the prospect to want to do well. The smart FO makes good decisions based on quality information and ....expertise. We Giants fans are in wait and hope mode.
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