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kennyd : 4/15/2019 3:49 pm
was taken down, is there? I leave this site for 30 minutes and it's gone? WTF is wrong with some people on this site???
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How..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/15/2019 3:50 pm : link
does a thread like that get derailed??

I guess I shouldn't ask with some of the yahoos on here interjecting religion/politics, but a burning cathedral thread??
& amazing that the dude who brought it down isn't  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/15/2019 3:53 pm : link
even suspended. Great job mods!
I left it for  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2019 3:53 pm : link
30 minutes, came back, and it had turned ugly.

Also, I started receiving e-mail complaints about it.

Sorry.
The thread was redeemable  
idiotsavant : 4/15/2019 3:53 pm : link
Someone's on the quick draw
It is the American landscape  
jvm52106 : 4/15/2019 3:53 pm : link
today. Really frustrating overall that things become completely fucked up. I am tired of all of it.
RE: The thread was redeemable  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14387510 idiotsavant said:
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Someone's on the quick draw


Too labor intensive. It would have quickly turned ugly again.
Is there not a way to just delete the offending post  
Mike from Ohio : 4/15/2019 3:54 pm : link
and keep the thread? There are always idiots who will post something stupid. Eliminating a worthwhile thread because of it seems like too extreme a response.

And yes, I am not surprised that someone found the controversial view to a beautiful, historic building burning down.
They are now not sure the fire can be stopped  
Jints in Carolina : 4/15/2019 3:55 pm : link
This is a major major loss.
RE: I left it for  
kennyd : 4/15/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14387508 Eric from BBI said:
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30 minutes, came back, and it had turned ugly.

Also, I started receiving e-mail complaints about it.

Sorry.


Not your fault. There were some great photos that I wanted to return to. Insane that a burning cathedral/work of art/loss of a piece of human history would be a problem thread. pretty pathetic actually.
RE: I left it for  
steve in ky : 4/15/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14387508 Eric from BBI said:
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30 minutes, came back, and it had turned ugly.

Also, I started receiving e-mail complaints about it.

Sorry.


Once you started reacting to complaints you may have indirectly motivated and invited even more.

RE: Is there not a way to just delete the offending post  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14387517 Mike from Ohio said:
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and keep the thread? There are always idiots who will post something stupid. Eliminating a worthwhile thread because of it seems like too extreme a response.

And yes, I am not surprised that someone found the controversial view to a beautiful, historic building burning down.


Too labor intensive. Again, the same points would have been raised later.

We can no longer have current events discussions on BBI. It inevitably becomes a free speech vs. hate speech shitfest and a no-win situation for moderators.
sad update  
FranchiseQB : 4/15/2019 3:58 pm : link
msnbc is reporting that french govt officials are saying they may not be able to save the cathedral
I was just remembering a spooky moment near the N.D.  
idiotsavant : 4/15/2019 3:59 pm : link
I saw this French girl who looked -exactly - like my cousin and aunt. In a spooky way. I was with the baby mama at the time so I said nothing.

Years later I learned that my grandfather had a French wife during his WW1 service. Maybe it was my cousin. I had had a very spooky feeling at that moment.

Special place, Notre Dame, where occurrences like that are in the hundreds of thousands over the years.
RE: RE: I left it for  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14387526 steve in ky said:
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In comment 14387508 Eric from BBI said:


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30 minutes, came back, and it had turned ugly.

Also, I started receiving e-mail complaints about it.

Sorry.



Once you started reacting to complaints you may have indirectly motivated and invited even more.


Steve, we've tried numerous options. It's a no-win situation for us to allow any of these discussions. Sad, but it is what it is.
lol  
Beezer : 4/15/2019 4:00 pm : link
Idiots.
RE: RE: Is there not a way to just delete the offending post  
FranchiseQB : 4/15/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14387528 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14387517 Mike from Ohio said:


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and keep the thread? There are always idiots who will post something stupid. Eliminating a worthwhile thread because of it seems like too extreme a response.

And yes, I am not surprised that someone found the controversial view to a beautiful, historic building burning down.



Too labor intensive. Again, the same points would have been raised later.

We can no longer have current events discussions on BBI. It inevitably becomes a free speech vs. hate speech shitfest and a no-win situation for moderators.

i see the mods here take things down every time there is a hint of of criticism of right wing politics. most of us know the political orientation of the site. you should just let everything stand except the most egregious instances. just my opinion
Well when  
Little boy Lost : 4/15/2019 4:03 pm : link
One and one equal two the answer is irrefutable. Why can’t one utter the truth anymore?? This is sick!!
I was there last summer  
Vanzetti : 4/15/2019 4:03 pm : link
Devastating that it would burn down. What a tragic loss. A monument to human endeavor. Unbelievable that they were able to build such a magnificent structure with only labor power and no steam or electric powered tools.
RE: RE: RE: I left it for  
steve in ky : 4/15/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14387535 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14387526 steve in ky said:


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In comment 14387508 Eric from BBI said:


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30 minutes, came back, and it had turned ugly.

Also, I started receiving e-mail complaints about it.

Sorry.



Once you started reacting to complaints you may have indirectly motivated and invited even more.




Steve, we've tried numerous options. It's a no-win situation for us to allow any of these discussions. Sad, but it is what it is.


It always has surprised me, and still does, how so many adults e-mail you with complaints about posts on a message board. How do they get through their days when navigating through life? Always has been a head scratcher for me.
FranchiseQB  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2019 4:04 pm : link
We take down every thread we see with any hint of politics from any side.

I regularly get hate e-mail accusing me of being a Marxist and a Nazi.
RE: I left it for  
AcidTest : 4/15/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14387508 Eric from BBI said:
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30 minutes, came back, and it had turned ugly.

Also, I started receiving e-mail complaints about it.

Sorry.


You have nothing to apologize for. I'm sure you're sad that you had to take it down.
RE: I left it for  
halfback20 : 4/15/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14387508 Eric from BBI said:
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30 minutes, came back, and it had turned ugly.

Also, I started receiving e-mail complaints about it.

Sorry.


Lol who the heck emails you to complain? Thats insane to me...maybe I'm crazy.
LOL - idiots on here blame the mods and not the morons who  
PatersonPlank : 4/15/2019 4:05 pm : link
make everything a political crapshow
steve in ky  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2019 4:05 pm : link
You think my in-box is bad, visit anyone's feed on Twitter.

Social media is a cesspool of human interaction.
RE: FranchiseQB  
AcidTest : 4/15/2019 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14387546 Eric from BBI said:
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We take down every thread we see with any hint of politics from any side.

I regularly get hate e-mail accusing me of being a Marxist and a Nazi.


Wow. I'm sorry you get email like that. That is awful.
Some good news  
Mr. Nickels : 4/15/2019 4:06 pm : link
Good news: all the artworks have been saved. The treasure of the cathedral is intact, the crown of thorns, the holy sacraments
RE: Some good news  
FranchiseQB : 4/15/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14387556 Mr. Nickels said:
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Good news: all the artworks have been saved. The treasure of the cathedral is intact, the crown of thorns, the holy sacraments

but the building, which is the most important thing imo, is likely completely lost.
Sorry Eric  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2019 4:11 pm : link
and everyone else, I hope I did not contribute to the thread being removed. When I left that thread it seemed 100% non-confrontational.

And I don't think I posted anything controversial, but we all have different definitions of the word.
Sad times when a monumental event is deleted  
bigblue1124 : 4/15/2019 4:11 pm : link
People need to grow up and simply act like adults.

But that wont happen sadly.
I'm blaming the mods for not suspending or deleting the  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/15/2019 4:13 pm : link
account of the dude who started the downward spiral. Like, come on. No repercussions for firebombing a threat?
I cannot believe how much history is being lost.  
Ryan in Albany : 4/15/2019 4:13 pm : link
Tragic.
Just think  
idiotsavant : 4/15/2019 4:15 pm : link
WW1 and 2 soldiers looking to meet in front of the ND, to meet up with old friends, lovers, strangers.

The knights and the saints.

The various types of Craftsmen who labored for 300 years to build it.

30O years of hand craft

Bakers, butchers, people getting married, baptisms ..thousands of all that, thousands of occurrences such as those over sooooo long.

The crown of thorns! Statuary...
RE: LOL - idiots on here blame the mods and not the morons who  
FrankieR : 4/15/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14387549 PatersonPlank said:
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make everything a political crapshow


This. But they are enabled by action.
RE: I'm blaming the mods for not suspending or deleting the  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/15/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14387568 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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account of the dude who started the downward spiral. Like, come on. No repercussions for firebombing a threat?

It's not the first time he's tried to steer a thread in that direction, either. Must be something in the water in Marin County.
Fire so hot, it burned the thread down!  
x meadowlander : 4/15/2019 4:19 pm : link
I missed the fireworks.

Trying to imagine a scenario that would've turned a church fire political... ah, now that I write it, I hear it. :)
Doesn’t sound great  
Oscar : 4/15/2019 4:31 pm : link
Fire has spread to one of the towers and they are hoping they can stop it from spreading to the other tower. Probably an impossible job to stop fire spreading in a massive 700 year old building.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2019 4:36 pm : link
RE: ...  
FrankieR : 4/15/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14387592 Eric from BBI said:
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WOW!
RE: Doesn’t sound great  
Beer Man : 4/15/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14387588 Oscar said:
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Fire has spread to one of the towers and they are hoping they can stop it from spreading to the other tower. Probably an impossible job to stop fire spreading in a massive 700 year old building.
Not just that. They are saying on the news that the church was nicknamed the Forest because they used 56 acres of timber on the inside. I can only imagine how flammable timber is that has been drying for 900+ years.
That picture is insane  
Oscar : 4/15/2019 4:42 pm : link
Can’t imagine they’re saving anything. Shame.
RE: ...  
regulator : 4/15/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14387592 Eric from BBI said:
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That image shows, amazingly, that as of this moment, the stone ceiling (vault) hasn't failed.

It would truly be remarkable if the interior of the cathedral is spared.
Just so sad  
uconngiant : 4/15/2019 4:45 pm : link
I hope they can salvage some of the Cathedral and all is not lost
RE: RE: ...  
FranchiseQB : 4/15/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14387600 regulator said:
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In comment 14387592 Eric from BBI said:


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That image shows, amazingly, that as of this moment, the stone ceiling (vault) hasn't failed.

It would truly be remarkable if the interior of the cathedral is spared.


the interior is already gone. i think they are just trying to save the structure now.
I wonder what  
bubba0825 : 4/15/2019 4:48 pm : link
The plan will be to rebuild, I know it will never be the same. I just hope the priceless art pieces and stone facade are spared
I'm not an architect  
idiotsavant : 4/15/2019 4:49 pm : link
But can the stone walls hold without the wood ceiling joists and frame?

If any of the butresses are wood as well.

Calling all Craftsmen who work by hand!
I can’t imagine that they would rebuild  
Bill L : 4/15/2019 4:50 pm : link
It probably took several treasuries and many conquests to build it in the first place.. even if they could do it now, it would be highly irresponsible. Best they could do is some sort of modern homage.
I never would have imagined that much wood  
Eli Wilson : 4/15/2019 4:52 pm : link
in a place like that.
Crazy
It might just be a form of prayer  
idiotsavant : 4/15/2019 4:52 pm : link
To build with your hands a part of something like that.

Or to rebuild.
RE: I wonder what  
kennyd : 4/15/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14387613 bubba0825 said:
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The plan will be to rebuild, I know it will never be the same. I just hope the priceless art pieces and stone facade are spared


I've heard a couple reports that as soon as the fire started there was a mad dash to get as much artwork out as they could. How much and what they saved I have no idea but hopefully they saved some of the important pieces.
RE: I can’t imagine that they would rebuild  
Chris in Philly : 4/15/2019 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14387616 Bill L said:
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It probably took several treasuries and many conquests to build it in the first place.. even if they could do it now, it would be highly irresponsible. Best they could do is some sort of modern homage.


Why would it be irresponsible? Cathedrals have burned down in Europe before and been rebuilt.
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