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NFT: There's now way the Notre Dame thread

kennyd : 4/15/2019 3:49 pm
was taken down, is there? I leave this site for 30 minutes and it's gone? WTF is wrong with some people on this site???
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RE: RE: Terrible Loss for Paris and France  
Percy : 4/19/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14387883 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 14387868 Percy said:


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And for all of Western civilization actually.

I can't understand why there was not more immediate and more powerful fire fighting capability brought to bear. Why did it take so long to get it there, such as it was? Where were the federal and city governments on this score? It was no secret that the place was a tinderbox. They simply weren't ready. How can that be?



How can you say exactly what fire fighting capability was brought to bear?

Can't, of course, Just looked that way to me on TV and it's not as if there wasn't enough coverage or that what was being used to fight it was hidden or being ignored.
RE: It's a huge symbol of changes in Western Civilization  
Percy : 4/19/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14388159 Bill2 said:
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Its the most significant non government forces undertaking up to that time.

Think about it. Up to then only states could collect capital and build things that large over that many years.

It memorializes the rise of craftsman ( the beginning of the professional and middle class). It marks power moving away from the capital center of Rome. I marks the contributions of many people moving voluntarily instead of a few people by force.

It marked people talking other people into significant "movement" over generations instead of the only other lever at the time...force.

It marked non state belief systems into actions.

It's a initial symbol of the movement to tension and then balance between state, religion and individuals that played out over centuries through the Rennisance and finally to the Enlightenment based revolutions.

It was a marker on the road of the power shift from the Mediterranean to the North Sea that still dominates Europe.

It was a symbol, if understood, of a lot more than catholicism.

imo


True. Excellent remark.
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