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YANKEE28 : 4/15/2019 5:22 pm
has just posted his list of the Top 150 players for this year's draft.

Brandt talks to a lot of NFL people and his Top 150 list over the years has been a pretty good barometer.

Enjoy !!
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Sorry  
YANKEE28 : 4/15/2019 5:26 pm : link
I could have titled this thread better.
His QB's in order are Murray, Jones, Lock, Haskins, Grier, Finley  
PatersonPlank : 4/15/2019 5:26 pm : link
He has Grier as a late 2nd type pick. Grier in the 3rd would be very interesting. He has Haskins in the mid 20's.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2019 5:27 pm : link
I wonder what the Giants think of Ed Oliver.
RE: ...  
Jim Bur(n)t : 4/15/2019 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14387680 Eric from BBI said:
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I wonder what the Giants think of Ed Oliver.


Oliver hates the Eagles apparently, so that's a start ;)
Hmmm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2019 5:28 pm : link
Daniel Jones as the #2 QB.
Since he is potentially available for a draft pick  
twostepgiants : 4/15/2019 5:28 pm : link
Last year Gil Brandt ranked Rosen #2 in the entire Draft behind Barkley


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2
Josh Rosen - QB
School: UCLA | Year: Junior

I don't have any questions about this young man with regard to the chatter about his character. A good athlete, Rosen has a strong arm and accuracy -- he can make all the throws. By Year 2, he'll be a successful starter in the NFL. I really like this player.

The  
YANKEE28 : 4/15/2019 5:35 pm : link
Brandt list has over a dozen names that are shockingly higher or lower than what so many "draft experts" have been saying for weeks.
RE: Since he is potentially available for a draft pick  
Giantz_comeback : 4/15/2019 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14387685 twostepgiants said:
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Last year Gil Brandt ranked Rosen #2 in the entire Draft behind Barkley


RANK
2
Josh Rosen - QB
School: UCLA | Year: Junior

I don't have any questions about this young man with regard to the chatter about his character. A good athlete, Rosen has a strong arm and accuracy -- he can make all the throws. By Year 2, he'll be a successful starter in the NFL. I really like this player.


Brandt is one of the best in the biz in terms of his eye for translatable NFL talent.

Sweat is high up there as is Oliver and rightly so. If Giants stay at 6 and Q Will, Bosa or Allen dont drop it should be one of these guys of White. Or a trade down.
Has Sweat as #5 and Hockenson as #6  
Deejboy : 4/15/2019 5:35 pm : link
Both ahead of Murray
I respect Brandt,  
Mr. Bungle : 4/15/2019 5:36 pm : link
but he seems to rely too much on Combine/Pro Day numbers for my liking in those player blurbs.

I much prefer to read about what prospects do best in live games and what they need to improve on. I don't particularly care about a defensive tackle's broad jump numbers or a quarterback's Pro Day completion % (when there's no one else on the field except a receiver).
Bryan Kehl  
ColHowPepper : 4/15/2019 5:53 pm : link
!! A good natured poke in the ribs, YANKEE28. Now, lemme go check his list for this year.
T.J. Hockenson, TE at #6  
ZogZerg : 4/15/2019 5:54 pm : link
Do it Giants!!
Compares Jones to Danny White. Not a bad comparison.  
Blue21 : 4/15/2019 5:56 pm : link
Giants could do a lot worse than Danny White. Grier is interesting too where he has him.
Always a must ďpay attentionĒ  
Big Blue '56 : 4/15/2019 5:56 pm : link
for me
Here's a link to his list from last year  
ZogZerg : 4/15/2019 5:58 pm : link
He had Barkley #1 (like everyone else).
He also had Mayfield at #4, which was a good call.

Hernandez was at #15, which seems about right.

But, I have no clue on a lot of these guys.

2018 Hot 150 - ( New Window )
He ranks the QBs  
GoDeep13 : 4/15/2019 5:59 pm : link
Exactly how I do.
RE: T.J. Hockenson, TE at #6  
ZogZerg : 4/15/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14387715 ZogZerg said:
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Do it Giants!!


And Jones is at #17. LOL
RE: Compares Jones to Danny White. Not a bad comparison.  
Blue21 : 4/15/2019 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14387716 Blue21 said:
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Giants could do a lot worse than Danny White. Grier is interesting too where he has him.


Meant to also say if he's picked in the correct round. Although ironic Gibrandt has him at 17th rated player
Another who has Hockenson in the top 10  
jeff57 : 4/15/2019 6:06 pm : link
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Stud TE or no stud TE,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/15/2019 6:28 pm : link
we can more than make do with what we have. We need a lot of talent on D and some more OL talent. THATís what we need to be doing. A potentially great TE is a luxury we can ill-afford right now, imv
Think Jones is definitely in the picture if ELI  
TMS : 4/15/2019 6:35 pm : link
is going to get a shot for a few more years, Could be taken at at #17 or #37. Not at #6. JMO.
RE: Hmmm  
bigbluescot : 4/15/2019 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14387683 Eric from BBI said:
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Daniel Jones as the #2 QB.


That seems to be the scuttlebutt from the more NFL connected draftniks even if they don't share the assessment. Jones or Lock as #2
RE: Since he is potentially available for a draft pick  
eric2425ny : 4/15/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14387685 twostepgiants said:
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Last year Gil Brandt ranked Rosen #2 in the entire Draft behind Barkley


RANK
2
Josh Rosen - QB
School: UCLA | Year: Junior

I don't have any questions about this young man with regard to the chatter about his character. A good athlete, Rosen has a strong arm and accuracy -- he can make all the throws. By Year 2, he'll be a successful starter in the NFL. I really like this player.


Lol, twostep, you have all of this Rosen stuff right at your fingertips. I am with you on this one, we need to make that trade if we get the right deal.
His comments on Danielle Jones worry me a bit,  
barens : 4/15/2019 7:52 pm : link
he's not a power thrower, more of a touch thrower. I know Met Life isn't as windy as it used to be, but I think in order to play in Met Life, you've got to have a strong arm.
RE: Stud TE or no stud TE,  
Eman11 : 4/15/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14387747 Big Blue '56 said:
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we can more than make do with what we have. We need a lot of talent on D and some more OL talent. THATís what we need to be doing. A potentially great TE is a luxury we can ill-afford right now, imv


I agree about the talent needed but Hockenson is a fantastic blocker and would really help the OL, especially in setting the edge.

If the top three D players are gone, I wouldn't be pissed if we drafted him, considering I don't think an OL is rated high enough to take at 6.
Round and round I go  
joeinpa : 4/15/2019 8:22 pm : link
In my desire to want the next quarterback. But I keep coming back to Rosen.

He would be the cheapest, and I keep reading things like Brandt wrote about him.
The Rosen lobby will keep trying to keep him in the mix  
TMS : 4/15/2019 8:56 pm : link
but think he was passed over last year for various reasons. They make him the bargain of the year . Not surprising he is marketed that way. Pass.
RE: The  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/15/2019 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14387690 YANKEE28 said:
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Brandt list has over a dozen names that are shockingly higher or lower than what so many "draft experts" have been saying for weeks.


Brandt has forgotten more more than most of the supposed experts know

He knows these kids. Heís not compiling others info. Heís still involved in a lot of draft stuff including player evaluations. Iíd thatís his list heís not using others opinions Imo From everything Iíve heard of him still at his age
RE: Round and round I go  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/15/2019 9:13 pm : link
In comment 14387837 joeinpa said:
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In my desire to want the next quarterback. But I keep coming back to Rosen.

He would be the cheapest, and I keep reading things like Brandt wrote about him.


Rosen is a no-brainer. The problem is that the Giants brass have no brains.
RE: RE: Round and round I go  
eric2425ny : 4/15/2019 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14387886 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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In comment 14387837 joeinpa said:


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In my desire to want the next quarterback. But I keep coming back to Rosen.

He would be the cheapest, and I keep reading things like Brandt wrote about him.



Rosen is a no-brainer. The problem is that the Giants brass have no brains.


I think trading for Rosen is a good idea for the right price, but saying DG has no brains if he doesnít trade for him is idiotic. These guys know a hell of a lot more about 1.) football and 2.) who these players are than we will ever know.

Itís irritating to read these posts about DG like he is some jackass first time GM that knows nothing. Iím not saying he is the greatest GM ever, but you could do a hell of a lot worse. He knew enough to fire that smug prick Marc Ross.
Brandt has Oliver #4  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/15/2019 9:31 pm : link
Dane Bruger has Oliver #5...hope DG thinks so as well
Sweat is going to be the pick  
MM_in_NYC : 4/15/2019 9:41 pm : link
It's becoming obvious.

JonC hints that medical is concern is only stumbling block.
Top three corners going 27-30  
ChicagoMarty : 4/15/2019 9:57 pm : link
then his next nine corners going 38-74 which is after our #37 and before our #95.

If it were to fall this way it would really suck
RE: His QB's in order are Murray, Jones, Lock, Haskins, Grier, Finley  
TMS : 4/15/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14387679 PatersonPlank said:
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He has Grier as a late 2nd type pick. Grier in the 3rd would be very interesting. He has Haskins in the mid 20's.
Like his QB picks.
RE: Since he is potentially available for a draft pick  
SterlingArcher : 4/15/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14387685 twostepgiants said:
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Last year Gil Brandt ranked Rosen #2 in the entire Draft behind Barkley


RANK
2
Josh Rosen - QB
School: UCLA | Year: Junior

I don't have any questions about this young man with regard to the chatter about his character. A good athlete, Rosen has a strong arm and accuracy -- he can make all the throws. By Year 2, he'll be a successful starter in the NFL. I really like this player.
If what you say is true why is AZ dumping him?
RE: RE: Since he is potentially available for a draft pick  
PatersonPlank : 4/15/2019 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14387942 SterlingArcher said:
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In comment 14387685 twostepgiants said:


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Last year Gil Brandt ranked Rosen #2 in the entire Draft behind Barkley


RANK
2
Josh Rosen - QB
School: UCLA | Year: Junior

I don't have any questions about this young man with regard to the chatter about his character. A good athlete, Rosen has a strong arm and accuracy -- he can make all the throws. By Year 2, he'll be a successful starter in the NFL. I really like this player.


If what you say is true why is AZ dumping him?


Because they have a new HC who wants to install a specific, "Gimmiky" offense like he had at Texas Tech, and he thinks Murray is "touched by the hand of god". He thinks Murray is the perfect guy to run this crappy Texas Tech offense. It has more to do with Kingsbury and Murray, than Rosen. Most people think Rosen played well considering how crappy the Cardinals were.
Rosen spells disaster for the  
TMS : 4/15/2019 10:58 pm : link
Giants locker room and he will be injury retired before his first contract, DG sees right though this I hope. ELI he is not. MO.
Didn't jtgiants say GMEN had little to interest in Rosen ?  
giantstock : 4/15/2019 11:13 pm : link
Rosen would be my 2nd rd pick/trade.

For those that would like a QB whether it be rd 1 or rd 2-- one pick within rds 1 and 2 you have to get an OLINEMAN, don't you? Or are you going to expect Giants get someone like Remmers?
I commented on another post,  
prdave73 : 4/15/2019 11:39 pm : link
If the Giants don't go up and get 1 of those top 3, go and get Ed Oliver with the 6th pick. Like Brandt ranking..
RE: I commented on another post,  
SGMen : 4/15/2019 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14388066 prdave73 said:
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If the Giants don't go up and get 1 of those top 3, go and get Ed Oliver with the 6th pick. Like Brandt ranking..
With some work, he could be a superb inside pass rusher or end. You can line him up to penetrate and disrupt.
RE: RE: Round and round I go  
Deejboy : 4/16/2019 2:41 am : link
In comment 14387886 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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In comment 14387837 joeinpa said:


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In my desire to want the next quarterback. But I keep coming back to Rosen.

He would be the cheapest, and I keep reading things like Brandt wrote about him.



Rosen is a no-brainer. The problem is that the Giants brass have no brains.

The Giants brass has no brains cause they aren't doing what you want. Gotcha.
RE: Rosen spells disaster for the  
ZogZerg : 4/16/2019 6:23 am : link
In comment 14387991 TMS said:
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Giants locker room and he will be injury retired before his first contract, DG sees right though this I hope. ELI he is not. MO.


We get it - you don't like Rosen.
But, please stop with this nonsense.
I have been on the Rosen trade since Kingsbury was hired  
Rjanyg : 4/16/2019 7:31 am : link
And Murray entered the draft. Many have me shit about it too.

It is very plausible that a trade is made and if NYG doesnít cost a 1st round pick then it would allow NYG to add to the defensive front and maybe the OL.

The ideal situation.
Gil Brandt  
Gman11 : 4/16/2019 7:56 am : link
is a smart guy, but, to me, the way he speaks, he sounds like the old guy on the park bench feeding the birds wondering what day it is. :)
re: Sweat  
JonC : 4/16/2019 8:24 am : link
It's my opinion, not heard his name so far.
Last years list....he had Carter, Hill and Lauletta in top 100  
George from PA : 4/16/2019 8:30 am : link
And McIntosh was 133...with Barkley 1 and Hernandez 15...if we get Rosen 2...not a bad haul.
If 1 -5 are gone  
arniefez : 4/16/2019 9:28 am : link
I hope the Giants skip 6 & 7 and pick the best pro from 9, 10, 11 and 13.
Check out this one on Bush  
Giantz_comeback : 4/16/2019 10:11 am : link
Imagine Bush and Sweat, 2 4.4 guys added to this defense.

Wow. Pretty special. Bush also has some blitz potential too which Bettcher likes.


Devin Bush analysis - ( New Window )
RE: I have been on the Rosen trade since Kingsbury was hired  
Gruber : 4/16/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14388150 Rjanyg said:
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And Murray entered the draft. Many have me shit about it too.

It is very plausible that a trade is made and if NYG doesnít cost a 1st round pick then it would allow NYG to add to the defensive front and maybe the OL.

The ideal situation.


And we can add: such a trade almost certainly won't happen until the draft is taking place.
RE: RE: Since he is potentially available for a draft pick  
twostepgiants : 4/16/2019 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14387789 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 14387685 twostepgiants said:


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Last year Gil Brandt ranked Rosen #2 in the entire Draft behind Barkley


RANK
2
Josh Rosen - QB
School: UCLA | Year: Junior

I don't have any questions about this young man with regard to the chatter about his character. A good athlete, Rosen has a strong arm and accuracy -- he can make all the throws. By Year 2, he'll be a successful starter in the NFL. I really like this player.




Lol, twostep, you have all of this Rosen stuff right at your fingertips. I am with you on this one, we need to make that trade if we get the right deal.


Thanks. I'd actually prefer Kyler Murray at 6 but since that does not appear likely then I think Rosen is exceptional value and is too good to pass up on. It would be hard to swallow if the Giants go a different QB route in this draft IF Rosen can truly be had for #37.

Im not sure how we could take Lock/Haskins/Jones at 17 or gosh forbid 6 or a trade up if Rosen can be had for 37. Or a Grier or Finley at 37.
To illustrate the value- the 17 pick is worth 950 and the 37 is worth 530. Thats the difference of a high second rounder in value

Clearly, Brandts rankings show Rosen is at worst an equal prospect to the above and probably available for a cheaper draft pick and less money.
Brandt's 2018 list looks pretty good with hindsight  
WillieYoung : 4/17/2019 11:19 am : link
Had Tremaine Edmunds higher (6th) than almost every draft guru. Just read this AM that with Kyle Williams gone Edmunds has become the leader of the Bills defense in his second season!
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