First Round Projection from GBN Draft Report (4/15)...

if it actually turned out that way.

with minimal movement up or down from 6 and 17 (and 37).

Realistic.

Would not mind that at all.

I wonder if it is realistic. Giants always wanted big players. Supposedly their value board favors those type of players. In this case, both players are testing the limits of that philosophy. Again, I would like/love the draft, just not sure whether it is a NY Giants draft.

Maybe they have walked away from their system. And that might be a good thing.

projections?
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draft capital.

Seems like their only hope to move up from 6 to get Allen/Q would be an Oak deal - swap of 17/24 (4s and 5s are worthless for top 15 moves). They can easily move from 17 and/or 37 with 95,108,132. They could also move back to the 17 area if the Oak swap happened.

...at 17!

He isn't everyone's cup of tea due to his size, but let me tellya, this guy is a load. Very compact and can run like crazy.

And here's a novel idea... a Giants LBer who can actually drop back in coverage!

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Ed Oliver at 6; Devin Bush at 17.

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Oliver would fit for us. We play a 3-4 and he isn't playing the Nose. He is under 6'2" so playing a 5 technique in a 3-4 doesn't seem right either.

Bush I am fine with.

I am really starting to warm up to the idea of taking TJ Hockenson in the first (even at 6). He will be a difference maker and allows EE to be used outside. Think of the Pats of 2011 with their two TE's one a complete and one an athletic move TE.

love Devin Bush, I just can't imagine he falls to 17. Was on a plane last week watching NFL Network the whole flight, and heard Jeramiah talking about how at least three teams in the top ten including the Giants really like Devin Bush.

I just find it hard to believe that Lock, Haskins and Jones get picked 10-13 and they don't jump up to get one.

love that, although I'd be mildly surprised if the Giants drafted Oliver. As someone said, he doesn't really fit a 3-4. My answer is that it doesn't really matter because he's so good, and we play a lot of different front anyway.

Bush would be a great pick at #17.

As Colin notes, it does seem like there is nothing going on, which is somewhat unusual this close to the draft.

But that Eagles story scares me. Maybe it scares me off completely

In comment 14388206 Bill L said:

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But that Eagles story scares me. Maybe it scares me off completely

Exactly what is that story?

I think GBN has called the first six picks correctly (maybe I'd flip the choices made by NY Jets and Oakland). If Murray, Bosa, Allen, QW, and White - IMO the best four players in the draft + the best QB - are gone by our pick, I think we go with Oliver at 6. I suspect Gary and Sweat and even Burns will be in the conversation, but I think DG goes with the BPA who's closest to the football on every snap.

I love Bush, and you can quote me on that. I think he'll be great.

Or even
6 - Montez Sweat
17 - Dexter Lawrence

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In comment 14388206 Bill L said: Quote: But that Eagles story scares me. Maybe it scares me off completely Exactly what is that story?

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like the Eagles are doing some borderline unethical things if they are intentionally trying to provoke interviewees.

But I also had not previously heard of the altercation with Applewhite. That seems like a flag.

My only question is how and whether Oliver would fit in Bettcher's 3-4.

In comment 14388185 jvm52106 said:

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Oliver would fit for us. We play a 3-4 and he isn't playing the Nose. He is under 6'2" so playing a 5 technique in a 3-4 doesn't seem right either. Bush I am fine with. I am really starting to warm up to the idea of taking TJ Hockenson in the first (even at 6). He will be a difference maker and allows EE to be used outside. Think of the Pats of 2011 with their two TE's one a complete and one an athletic move TE.

If we take another TE with a 1st rd pick this year, the Giants front office should all have forced lobotomies

has direct contacts inside the Eagles' organization?

there's a good chance NYG will have a shot at Allen or Oliver at #6, and Bush at #17.

In comment 14388185 jvm52106 said:

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Oliver would fit for us. We play a 3-4 and he isn't playing the Nose. He is under 6'2" so playing a 5 technique in a 3-4 doesn't seem right either. Bush I am fine with. I am really starting to warm up to the idea of taking TJ Hockenson in the first (even at 6). He will be a difference maker and allows EE to be used outside. Think of the Pats of 2011 with their two TE's one a complete and one an athletic move TE.

I've been saying that for a while. A Travis Kelce type would be just what the offense would need.

to the question jeff57 posed, where would Oliver fit? Even though DTomlinson could not fill the void left by Snacks' departure (few thought he would), Oliver just doesn't seem to fit the OL-eating NT you would want there.

Is there a hybrid role for him in 3-4?

Oliver is rumored to hate the Eagles, which is a bow on that gift...

Bush... When did we last have speed at LB??? Jessie??

An IDEAL 1st rd IMV.

It's a good question, posted it myself a number of times when posters were banging the table for him. If they deploy as many 4-man fronts as they did a year ago (the number was somewhere around 60% or higher), then EO would see plenty of time at DT. Think of how the Rams deploy Donald, they even use the Bear front, at times.

If they're running more 3-man fronts, then he has ability to be multiple up front, but then I wonder if an ER would just plain be better value.

seems like a bit between a rock and hard place; the talent is undeniable, but far from a slam dunk fit, so it prompts the thought exactly how their board is ranked @6. Too much use as a space eater in traditional 3-4 sets--again depending how often these are rotated--could see him wear down. I think Gil Brandt's comment on the comp to Donald is that not as strong--and he's smaller.

Hope all good with you all, Pine Bush, etc.

And move him inside on passing downs and let him play over center. Heck, you could even move him to OLB in some spots. His versatility can make up for his lack of prototypical size.

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It's a good question, posted it myself a number of times when posters were banging the table for him. If they deploy as many 4-man fronts as they did a year ago (the number was somewhere around 60% or higher), then EO would see plenty of time at DT. Think of how the Rams deploy Donald, they even use the Bear front, at times. If they're running more 3-man fronts, then he has ability to be multiple up front, but then I wonder if an ER would just plain be better value.

This is part of the conundrum and why I really hope we trade up or Quinnen Williams. Quinnen can play anywhere on the line . Rare combination of height weigh strength and speed and nuanced hand technique and tremendous balance. Total package. He will create rushing lanes for blitzers from the back 7-8 as well

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that's the problem with picking Oliver, if they're paying close attention to asset allocation, cap, etc.

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But he’s definitely in play at 6, you think?

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But I also had not previously heard of the altercation with Applewhite. That seems like a flag.

For the millionth time Applewhite was the asshole in that situation.

So, if this pans out, then if the Giants are taking a quarterback in this draft, it's not going to be any of Murray, Lock, Haskins or Jones.
Giants trade for Josh Rosen? Or what if one of the QB drafting teams instead trade for Rosen, that frees up one of the above.
Hmmm.

if he's drafted that high and would have plans on how to use him.

he's the problem... not the other way around. At the very least, the defense matches personnel with the opponents so much that Oliver would be back in his regular position as soon as a third receiver comes on the field.

Who could complain about Oliver and Bush?

But too many here are ignoring Haskins as one of the prime alternates to Oliver.

In the end, swimming against the asshattery tide, I think Haskins will be the pick at 6, then a DL or edge rusher at 17.

imo, he's in play.

unless a team feels they must trade up for him.

the Giants have done a great job this year masking their intentions. It almost makes me think Haskins is the pick, just from what our asshats are putting out there. It's just weird at the pro day with the contingent and body language and everything that went on there, than nothing on him and now we don't like him at all? Although knowing the Giants, I wouldn't be surprised if Lock is their number 1 QB.

What makes it complicated is that we really don't know who is going to available at 6. Assuming Murray, Bosa, Allen, and White (live in TB and it seems he's the pick for them) are gone. If Q is there I wouldn't be surprised if we run to the podium. Just seems like a DG pick. If not who the hell knows?

Allen is there at 6

is reshaped right away. Oliver is a monster and how can he not remind you of Donald.

I like devin bush more than his team mate gary and Devin white. We would add 2 premier players in our front 7..which we need desperately.

Love it! Little/Risner at #37 and I'll do backflips around my media room.