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Sy'56: 2019 NFL Draft Preview - Guards/Centers

Sy'56 : 4/16/2019 10:34 am
Just so it is slightly easier to understand how I grade players. Similar to a tier system. I have had teams/services ask for more specific grades based on schemes and situations, thus these grades are more general-based.

*Grading Scale:

90+ Elite, All Pro
85-89: Immediate starter, building block for a decade, franchise player
80-84: First round talent, starter and/or majority of the snaps each week

77-79: Day 2 pick, starter within their first 16-24 games as a pro
75-76: Fourth rounder, has starter traits but needs development
71-74: Fifth/Sixth rounder, should develop in to weekly contributor over rookie contract
68-70: Draftable, hopeful for special teams impact and long term development
67 and under: UDFA

*Positions are based on where I think they will play in the NFL

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GUARDS/CENTERS

WHERE THEY STAND


The interior of the NYG offensive line in 2018 was a major road block at any consistency on that side of the ball as a whole. Will Hernandez will be back after a strong finish to his rookie season and the team acquired Kevin Zeitler from CLE in the Vernon trade. Zeitler was one of my favorite guard prospects backs in 2012 and since then, he’s been one of the league’s top guards. Center was a revolving door as the team traded Brett Jones last summer and Jon Halapio missed almost the entire season with a leg injury. Spencer Pulley was brought back for depth after an underwhelming 2018 with the team a he joins the unknowns Evan Brown, Chad Slade, and Kristjan Sokoli on the depth chart.

TOP 25

1: Chris Lindstrom – Boston College – 6’4/308

Grade: 82

Summary: Son of former NFL lineman, Chris. A four year starter that ended his career as a 1st Team All ACC lineman. A very solid run blocker that can make an impact in traffic and in space, Lindstrom has the playing style and athletic ability to make an impact early in his career. He needs to prove he can handle the power of interior defensive linemen, but the nasty streak that always appears to be on combined with his more-than-solid technique translate well. The former tackle will be most sought after by teams that employ zone blocking concepts.

*In a class full of solid interior blockers, Lindstrom is the lone prospect that I am confident can start in year one and be a impact guy on multiple levels. He has the hustle and grit combined with plus foot speed and technique. He is a fun player to watch and no matter what scheme he gets put in to, he will be able to more than hold his own in year one. There is some sloppiness here and there that needs to be cleaned up, but he is a sure-bet to be a long time player.

NFL Comparison: Joe Thuney / NE



2: Dalton Risner – Kansas State – 6’5/312

Grade: 79

Summary: Fifth year senior that starting experience at center and right tackle. A three time 1st Team All Big 12 honoree and 2018 All American. Risner was the leader of the Kansas State offensive line for three years and leaves the program as arguably the top player at the position group in school history. Risner is an old school, punch-you-in-the-mouth type blocker that uses a lot of upper body and desire to get the job done. His farm-boy hands can stifle even the most powerful defenders but if he doesn’t clean up his footwork, he will struggle in pass protection. He got away with a lot in college that he simply will not in the NFL. His future is inside where some of those issues can be hidden and his ability to move people in the running game can be used more often.

*I forecast a move inside for Risner at the next level, as I jus don’t love his bending in space in pass protection. He is at his best inside where he can beat guys up in a phone booth. He does have experience at center and tackle and he could be the valuable 6th lineman right away and fill in where needed as the season progresses in year one. Risner is a tone setter, the kind of young buck you want in the trenches based solely on hustle, aggression, and mindset.

NFL Comparison: Brandon Scherff / WAS



3: Garrett Bradbury – NC State – 6’3/306

Grade: 79

Summary: Fifth year senior. Began his career as a tight end and ended it as a three year starter and 2018 Rimington Trophy Award winner. Mentally, Bradbury is exactly what every team wants in the middle of their offensive line. He is a coach that wears pads and bangs helmets with the opponents. Bradbury’s intelligence combined with his top tier movement skills and ability will make him a major draw to teams that demand a lot of lateral movement from their center position. There are legitimate fears about his ability to maintain ground and position against the bigger defenders in the NFL, but that can be hidden inside. Bradbury is a week 1 starter and a long time pro.

*I like Bradbury but I am not on the first round train like many are. If I am drafting a center in round 1, he needs to be a guy that can handle the big, powerful nose tackles by himself. I’m not sure I trust Bradbury there. Movement wise, intelligence wise, he has the goods. I trust him to be a solid player but I would wait until round 2 to take him, that’s all.

NFL Comparison: Cody Whitehair / CHI



4: Elgton Jenkins – Mississippi State – 6’4/310

Grade: 78

Summary: Fifth year senior. Has started games at both tackle spots and at left guard before settling in at center for the past two years. Jenkins is a mammoth for the position and considering his versatility he showed throughout his college career, he can be viewed as a versatile backup right away. He is intelligent enough and if the scheme is a right fit, he may be viewed as a better guard prospect. Wherever he plays, his stoutness and ability to get movement will make him an asset to any running game, but whether or not he improves his foot speed and balance in space will be the biggest determining factor when it comes to his impact.

*Antonym to Bradbury, Jenkins is the kind of stonewall you want inside against power rushers. He anchors really well and is always fighting through the whistle, but the late start that I saw out of him from time to time could make him a liability against the smaller but quicker interior guys that are becoming more and more popular. Jenkins is the kind of kid that will work his butt off and in time, I think he is a reliable starter especially for a team that wants to run the ball.

NFL Comparison: Travis Frederick / DAL




5: Nate Davis – North Carolina-Charlotte - 6’3/316

Grade: 78

Summary: Fifth year senior with three years of starting experience at right guard and one at right tackle. The two time All-Conference USA selection did miss time early in the 2018 season due to a NCAA suspension, but the quality tape he put out as a right tackle was more than enough for him to warrant day 2 consideration. Davis is built like the ideal guard with a stout presence, athletic feet, and ability to adjust. He is really twitchy for a lineman and that translates very well to the next level. His solid week at the Senior Bowl confirmed he is one of the better guard prospects in this class.

*The quality tape Davis has at tackle is only going to help his overall grade not because anyone is actually going to play him out there, but it showed twitch and comfort in space that scouts didn’t know he had. He is more than a power guy. If it weren’t for some immaturity issues that have popped up a few times in recent years, Davis would be a 1st round grade. I do think he can play right away for any blocking scheme that brings him in. Keep him in mind towards the end of round 1, he has a shot at hearing his name called.

NFL Comparison: Joel Bitonio / CLE



6: Hjate Froholdt – Arkansas – 6’5/306

Grade: 78

Summary: After moving to the United States as a high school senior, Froholdt put himself on the radar as a raw but highly talented defensive tackle. After a year on the defensive side of the ball at Arkansas, he was moved to the offensive line where he started three straight seasons. Most of his time was spent at guard, but he did see some action at center as a senior. Considering how new he is to the game in comparison to other prospects, Froholdt’s level of play and consistent techniques are overly impressive. He projects to both inside spots at the next level but his lack of length may keep him at center long term. No matter the case, Froholdt is an elite pass blocker with perhaps the best tape all year against Alabama’s star tackle Quinnen Williams. He is going to be an early starter in the league.

*This is a guy I am really targeting day 2, and there is a shot he is there early day 3. I am higher on Froholdt than what I see out there, but for what we consider to still be “raw and learning”, Froholdt’s tape is come of the cleanest out there. He is a big guy that plays with plenty of knee bend, light feet, and inside hands. I think his ideal role is at OC, but early on when he isn’t in the starting lineup he would be valuable interior backup.

NFL Comparison: Nick Easton / NO



7: Erik McCoy – Texas A& M – 6’4/303

Grade: 78

Summary: Fourth year junior. A three year starter that didn’t miss a game since the start of 2016. The team captain and coach’s favorite started to turn heads as 2018 progressed where he was putting together multiple big time performances against the stiffest competition in the SEC. McCoy brings plus athleticism and a stout frame to the table. His game can wear multiple hats, as he shows fullback type movement in space as a lead blocker but more than enough leg drive to anchor against the power tackles. McCoy is a safe bet to be a solid starter in the league for a long time.

*A popular name among many when it comes to teams looking for a week 1 starter, McCoy jumps off the screen with athleticism and range. He really can cover the B gap with ease in either direction, as seen how often they pulled him outside to lead block on outside runs. I’m not completely sold on immediate contribution unless it is an ideal scheme fit though. He is inaccurate with his hands and he doesn’t get a ton of push. Solid but not much more, yet. High upside.

NFL Comparison: Pat Elflein / MIN



8: Mike Jordan – Ohio State – 6’6/312

Grade: 77

Summary: Junior entry. Jordan was the first true freshman to start right away on the offensive line for Ohio State in 23 years when the great Orlando Pace did so. He was a Freshman All American and followed that with two All Big 10 performances in consecutive years at different positions. Jordan doesn’t play with the ideal quickness of a center and he did struggle with shotgun snaps. He best projects at right guard in a scheme where he won’t need to move laterally often. His size and power are natural and ever-present. He does a lot of little things right but he will need to improve balance and quickness before he can be thrown in to the fire.

*I was excited about Jordan at the start of the 2018 season. Rarely do you see a guy with this kind of body play with his kind of leverage and lateral range, but I just don’t think OC was the spot for him. I prefer his tape at OG and that will likely be the spot he ends up at in the NFL. He won’t be a fit in every scheme, but some power run-game offenses could end up having a 2nd round grade on him.

NFL Comparison: James Carpenter / ATL



9: Keaton Sutherland – Texas A& M – 6050, Wgt – 322

Grade: 76

Summary: Three-plus year starter that has battled injuries throughout his career. 2018 was a solid campaign for the senior, as he earned the honor of playing in the East West Shrine game after coming in to the year as a near-unknown. Sutherland has the frame and athletic ability that will make a coach salivate. The techniques are pretty far along and he shows easy, natural knee bend. There is a lot to like here and had his injuries stayed away earlier in his career, we may be discussing him as a top 32 pick.

*Really like this kid when day 3 rolls around. He was a pretty awful miss by those that select who goes to the combine and what not. His 2018 tape combined with his tools and athletic ability is among the best in this group. I do think he will need an extra year to build up his body since much of his college career revolved around recovering from injuries but there is no denying the fact this kid has eventual starter written all over him.

NFL Comparison: Kyle Long / CHI



10: Brandon Knight – Indiana – 6’4/314

Summary: Three year starter from Noblesville, In. After earning the team’s Newcomer of the Year award in 2015 as a rotational tackle and blocking tight end, Knight earned a starting role. After missing a combined 7 games over 2016 and 2017, Knight was an every week starter as a senior and earned Honorable Mention All Big 10 honors. He is at his worst the further in to space he gets and his body type screams interior lineman. Knight will move to guard, maybe even center, and develop in to a quality starter with the upside of being more. His technique and combination of fast feet and hands translate well and once he enhances his strength and power presence, he could be a blocker that has it all.

*Another guy a really high on if he can be there early day 3. Knight will almost surely make the move to guard at the next level where his body type and ability in space is more natural. He had some of the nicest looking techniques in spurts that I saw all year, but just didn’t bring it all year. He fought through injuries and it sounds like there may still something going on with him that could hamper his next few months, but I want this kid on my team to mold and strengthen up for a year or two.

NFL Comparison: Kevin Zeitler / NYG



11: Kaleb McGary – Washington – 6’7/317

Grade: 76

Summary: Fifth year senior. 3+ year starter that made the full time transition to tackle from defensive end during his redshirt year. Two time 1st Team All Pac 12. McGary played tackle his entire career but there is some debate whether or not he will stay out there or move inside at the next level. Athletically he moves with fast feet but there are balance issues and enough poor tape to make me think he has to stay inside. He is a violent, try-hard player that can really do damage in the running game. Early on he projects as a solid, versatile backup but in order for him to take the next step, plenty of work needs to be done.

*McGary is a guy that I could equally project inside and outside. If I had to choose, I am going for guard because of his style and over-aggressive manner that can sometimes get him in to trouble in space. While guards that stand this tall don’t often pan out, McGary is a different kind of athlete which has teams looking at him really hard as a day 2 guy. I am not quite there, but I won’t deny the upside. Blocking is so much about grit and desire, McGary has all of it. It may not sound sexy, but I would draft this kid to be my 6th lineman for a long time, a guy that backs up every spot other than OC.

NFL Comparison: Alex Lewis / BAL



12: Dru Samia – Oklahoma – 6’5/305

Grade: 76

Summary: A three year starter that earned 1st Team All Big 12 honors in 2018. Samia was an overlooked part of the OU offensive line coming in to his senior season, but he came out of it as maybe the second best pro prospect among the group. Samia checks the size, speed, and strength boxes but what sets him apart from others is the consistent desire and effort to be physical and aggressive. He gets everything out of himself and more. Teams looking for more presence inside, particularly in the running game, will love Samia. He can be a starter, a solid one at that, within a year or two.

*Samia is one of those prospects that earned his way on to the radar with quality play week after week. I went in to the OU games looking at other players but he kept standing out not because of talent or tools, but his nasty mean streak and constant desire to play through the whistle. I want those guys on my team, especially in the trenches and especially in an offense that wants to run the ball early and often. He is sloppy and lacks some tools, but I think he can will himself in to a starting role over time.

NFL Comparison: Andrew Norwell / JAC



13: Connor McGovern – Penn State – 6’5/308

Grade: 76

Summary: Junior entry. Three year starter that has played multiple interior spots and could project to any of the three at the next level. A two time All Big 10 performer, McGovern was the leader of that PSU offensive line on and off the field. He has the body and athleticism combined with an aggressive, hands on approach to blocking. Offensive line coaches will love his dedication and grit along with his versatility. The concerns around his pad level and lower body engagement will need to be addressed over time, but he can be a very solid backup with the potential to be more.

*I think McGovern will go higher than where I have him. He has the pro-body and with a little more fine tuning below the waist, he could have the complete package. I wouldn’t say I look down on him at all, but I just think he is going to struggle if he gets thrown in there right away. Athletically I think he can handle it, but there are several moments on tape where his reactions are a hair too slow and he couldn’t make up for it. I see him as a long time, quality backup.

NFL Comparison: Justin Britt / SEA



14: Michael Dieter – Wisconsin – 6’5/309

Grade: 75

Summary: Fifth year senior with a school record 54 consecutive starts ranging from left tackle, left guard, and center. The two time first team All Big 10 and 2018 All American enters the draft as one of the most versatile linemen in the class. The flexibility he can bring to a team’s depth chart can raise his overall value a tad, but at the end of his day his talent and upside are limited. He doesn’t show consistent lateral movement and his anchor against the quality bull rush looks weak at times. Dieter does bring a lot of consistent effort to the table and should help full multiple spots on the bench, but his potential as a starter is limited.

*I often left the Wisconsin scouting assignments being more impressed with Deiter than Benzschawel. It is ironic I had them graded exactly the same when all was said and done. Anyway, Deiter’s versatility will help his cause because a guy that can actually play multiple spots and has experience doing so can make game day roster decisions a lot easier. I’m not sure I want to rely on a guy like this to start, but I am comfortable him my sixth or seventh lineman.


NFL Comparison: Caleb Benenoch / TB




15: Beau Benzschawel – Wisconsin – 6’6/309

Grade: 75

Summary: Fifth year senior that started 49 games over his career. Three time All Big 10 honoree, first team in 2017 and 2018. A tall and rangy blocker that specializes in run blocking stemming from strong initial contact and powerful hands. Benzschawel has a lot of attractive and ugly tape each week, as he struggles with pad level and lower body balance. While he brings the right mentality to the field week in, week out, the inconsistencies and struggles with staying upright with proper leverage can be eaten up in the NFL. He can be an eventual solid starter in the NFL, but it will take time to get there.

*Benzschawel may have been one of the more disappointing prospects of the year for me personally. In my preseason stacks, I had him as a 1st round player that could eventually sneak in to the top 10 overall, boy was I wrong. The size and flashes of dominance make me think there is still more than enough to work with, but he is just way too stiff and awkward to be considered anything more than a 4th or 5th rounder on my board. I think a few NFL coaches will want to work with him so he could go earlier, but buyer beware.

NFL Comparison: Spencer Long / BUF



16: Tyler Jones – NC State – 6’3/306: 75
17: Ross Pierschbacher – Alabama – 6’4/307: 75
18: Lamont Gaillard – Georgia – 6’3/305: 74
19: Wes Martin – Indiana – 6’3/311: 74
20: Fred Johnson – Florida – 6’7/326: 72
21: Phil Haynes – Wake Forest – 6’4/322: 72
22: Sam Mustipher – Notre Dame – 6’5/324: 71
23: Ryan Bates – Penn State – 6’4/306: 70
24: Stefano Millin – Pittsburgh – 6’3/300: 70
25: Oshea Dugas – Louisiana Tech – 6’4/335: 69


**TOP UDFA SLEEPER**

Joshua Miles – Morgan State – 6’5/300


Fifth year senior that started 3 years and was forced to sit out 2017 because of academic reasons. Miles had a solid week at the Shrine Game and considering the tool set, there is an upside and enough quality tape to warrant a decent amount of attention. He is a sloppy mover but I think it is more technique based than what he is physically. He is a practice squad type that, if he grows in to his frame with quality weight and keeps his head on the details, could be a very solid backup.

NYG APPROACH

With the acquisition of Kevin Zeitler and the assumption that Will Hernandez will build off his fine rookie season, the Giants appear to be set at both guard spots. Their lack of young depth at center showed up in 2018, however, as Jon Halapio went down with a severe leg injury early on and there simply wasn’t anyone to step up. Expecting Halapio to come back and offer a high level of play is a risk in and of itself, thus I think NYG needs to look at OC at some point in the first 4 rounds. In addition, we have all seen what a lack of depth can do to an offensive line when the near-inevitable injuries arise. Does NYG have that? I don’t think so. While they won’t be drafting a candidate to start in 2019, that isn’t always the point of the draft. This offensive line needs to be built in the draft year after year and with the amount of quality prospects with 2nd-4th round grades, there is a strong chance a strong value grab will be there early day 3.

I can see McGovern being targeted if he slips  
dep026 : 4/16/2019 10:36 am : link
To the 4th as he can play both G/C.
Great Read Sy.......thanks!  
edavisiii : 4/16/2019 10:40 am : link
I like the fact that you don't see eye to eye with all the draft reads out there. You can tell its YOUR opinion, not the regurgitated stuff we get on some sites. I don't see them looking at interior line until day 3 but I could see them taking a G/C type with the intention of him starting down the road. Halapio and Pulley are on short deals so I think they will add an IOL if the value jumps out at them.
Funny that you and Dave Tee both like one of the guys from Indiana. Again thanks!
RE: I can see McGovern being targeted if he slips  
Lionhart28 : 4/16/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14388354 dep026 said:
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To the 4th as he can play both G/C.


I've seen every game he's played and McGovern has the physical tools but never really put it all together. Also has some reallllly bad mental lapses. He struggles mightily picking up stunts. You just didn't see the type of dominance you would expect out of an athlete like that at guard. Better suited for center or maybe a interior swing guy.
Thanks Sy.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2019 10:55 am : link
No Cody Ford? USA Today has him ranked 2nd overall at G
RE: Thanks Sy.  
Brown Recluse : 4/16/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14388387 Big Blue '56 said:
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No Cody Ford? USA Today has him ranked 2nd overall at G


Though probably better suited to play Guard, he's officially a Tackle.
RE: Thanks Sy.  
Sy'56 : 4/16/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14388387 Big Blue '56 said:
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No Cody Ford? USA Today has him ranked 2nd overall at G


I have him at OT
And Gil Brandt has him 23 overall in his top  
Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2019 10:57 am : link
150
Ahh,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2019 10:58 am : link
gotcha
Well done, Sy.  
Klaatu : 4/16/2019 11:06 am : link
As I've said before, it's a shame that Halapio went out so early last year. We never got to see if he would've improved as the season progressed. I suppose he'll be penciled in as the starter this year.

I agree with edvisiii. I don't think the Giants will tap a C/OG until Day 3, but maybe they'll trade up that day - maybe even earlier, into late Day 2 - to get a prospect they have graded higher than anyone who might be available later on.
SY or other schematic experts...  
Lionhart28 : 4/16/2019 11:09 am : link
It seems like DG has been going after more power blockers versus the mobile athletes. With this in mind is someone like McCoy a better fit at C than a more mobile guy like Bradbury?
You don't think McCoy and/or Elgton Jenkins  
The_Boss : 4/16/2019 11:13 am : link
could beat out Jon Halapio as early as this year if the NYG draft either of them at, say 37? Come on. Halapio stinks.
Wow  
Doubledeuce22 : 4/16/2019 11:29 am : link
Lot's of depth here. Should be able to get a nice solid inside OL.
Phil Haynes – Wake Forest  
Pep22 : 4/16/2019 11:31 am : link
While I realize he is not a top level athlete and won't be the type of guy to block LBs beyond the LOS, I did like his strength (obviously he is a dedicated weight room worker), solid/balanced technique and attentiveness to coaching at the Sr Bowl.

Sy - your thoughts?
RE: You don't think McCoy and/or Elgton Jenkins  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14388428 The_Boss said:
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could beat out Jon Halapio as early as this year if the NYG draft either of them at, say 37? Come on. Halapio stinks.


Coaches love experience. These particular coaches have been praising Halapio nonstop.

Despite the fact that he's new to Center, he's a veteran player. A rookie would probably have to be really, really good to win a job.
I was hoping for a write-up on...  
rasbutant : 4/16/2019 11:33 am : link
19: Wes Martin – Indiana – 6’3/311: 74

He has been mentioned a few times before on BBI and looks really good to me. I'm interested to know why he isn't highly thought of. No senior bowl invite, no combine invite, most don't even list him as being drafted.

Others I expected to see  
Pep22 : 4/16/2019 11:35 am : link
Terronne Prescod

Mitch Hyatt

Alex Bars

thoughts on them? draft worthy? can they make a team in year 1?
Thanks Sy  
ArlingtonMike : 4/16/2019 11:38 am : link
These reports are amazing and I cant wait for work breaks to read the latest. Thanks for all that you do!

I remember when the draft was on Thursday and we would play sick in HS to stay home and watch. :)

Sounds like there is a strong indication the Giants may very well go middle rounds for G/C. Of the guys you predict for the 3rd or 4th round, who do you feel is the best match for Shurmurs offense?
Thanks Sy for these every year  
sjnyfan : 4/16/2019 11:40 am : link
What are your thoughts on Ben Powers and Terrone Prescod? I have both as mid round picks.
Thanks Sy  
Jay on the Island : 4/16/2019 11:51 am : link
I’m hoping the Giants draft at least two offensive linemen but I would prefer 3. Tytus Howard, Hjate Froholdt, and Yosuah Nijman sounds good.
Evan Brown  
Pep22 : 4/16/2019 11:56 am : link
From an athletic (and even college experience) standpoint, this guy may have meaningful upside. Do you agree or do you think he's more camp fodder that is more likely to get cut to the extent NYG that they have a draft that Jay on the Island (who seems to have a good feel for OL prospects) recommends?
Great work, Sy! Thank you!  
TC : 4/16/2019 12:00 pm : link
FWIW this is a list of OT's, guards and centers with whom the Giants are reported to have met -


• Paul Adams, OT, Missouri

• Yodny Cajuste, OT, West Virginia

• Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State

• David Edwards, OT, Wisconsin

• Bobby Evans^, OT, Oklahoma

• Cody Ford^, OT/G, Oklahoma

• Tytus Howard, OT, Alabama State

• Martez Ivey, OT/G, Florida

• Chris Lindstrom, G, Boston College

• Greg Little^, OT, Ole Miss

• Tyree St. Louis, OT, Miami

• Erik McCoy, G/C, Texas A&M

• Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida

• Olisaemeka Udoh, OT, Elon

• Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
Reading the leaves  
ryanmkeane : 4/16/2019 12:36 pm : link
as long as a great defensive prospect doesn’t slip, Ford at 17 seems like a no brainer to me
Sy, you were pretty critical of Hernandez last year  
MM_in_NYC : 4/16/2019 12:54 pm : link
Do you attribute his success with us to scheme (which you said was possible), coaching, or did he show more ability in the pros than what you saw on his college tape?

Appreciate your analysis a lot. McCoy at 37 is on pick I'm thinking about.
RE: Reading the leaves  
Earl the goat : 4/16/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14388577 ryanmkeane said:
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as long as a great defensive prospect doesn’t slip, Ford at 17 seems like a no brainer to me


I agree about Ford

Ford and Zeitler on right side will add another 300-500 yds to Barkley’s rushing
thanks, Sy'!!  
ColHowPepper : 4/16/2019 1:58 pm : link
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Expecting Halapio to come back and offer a high level of play is a risk in and of itself, thus I think NYG needs to look at OC at some point in the first 4 rounds.
AMEN! imo Halapio is mediocre at best and likely no improvement coming off nearly whole year in rehab/recovery. Fortify the fuggin middle of the OL
I have a feeling that the Giants want to come out of this draft with .  
TC : 4/16/2019 3:08 pm : link
a RT, and that they have targets in multiple tiers to secure one if the price is right. Suspect they like both Dillard and Ford, but possibly Dillard a little more. Might want one of those if they're still there in the 2nd.
Seems like in would have  
idiotsavant : 4/16/2019 3:24 pm : link
A different set of measurables looking though the guards while presuming:

"this player will start at center only, never play as a guard or tackle"

And

" Value the initial or immediate post snap skill set above all other skills, such as in space"

Quick get up, low leverage, good angles, smart, heavy.

As opposed to tall, long arms, runs quickly

Wes Martin maybe  
idiotsavant : 4/16/2019 3:32 pm : link
A Dave Te sleeper guard as your 2019 starting -center- on the NY football Giants organization.
Farm boy like David deihl was  
idiotsavant : 4/16/2019 3:34 pm : link
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RE: SY or other schematic experts...  
Sy'56 : 4/16/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14388417 Lionhart28 said:
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It seems like DG has been going after more power blockers versus the mobile athletes. With this in mind is someone like McCoy a better fit at C than a more mobile guy like Bradbury?


A lot of teams pick OCs based on scheme / then divisional opponents / then intelligence.

When it comes to McCoy, I think he is more in the athlete camp than power camp
RE: Phil Haynes – Wake Forest  
Sy'56 : 4/16/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14388466 Pep22 said:
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While I realize he is not a top level athlete and won't be the type of guy to block LBs beyond the LOS, I did like his strength (obviously he is a dedicated weight room worker), solid/balanced technique and attentiveness to coaching at the Sr Bowl.

Sy - your thoughts?


I like Haynes...had him a bit higher initially but there are a couple medical red flags. Reminds me a lot of Shaq Mason of NE
RE: Others I expected to see  
Sy'56 : 4/16/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14388479 Pep22 said:
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Terronne Prescod

Mitch Hyatt

Alex Bars

thoughts on them? draft worthy? can they make a team in year 1?


Prescod big and physical, but a really slow and heavy mover.

Hyatt I still have at OT, but I do see plenty of OG there. Reminds me of a poor man's Justin Pugh.

Bars nearly made the list, but the injuries have hurt him and I'm not sure I see more than a backup anyway
I know I asked Dave  
Mike in NY : 4/16/2019 4:44 pm : link
But your thoughts on Drew Forbes?
RE: Thanks Sy for these every year  
Sy'56 : 4/16/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14388489 sjnyfan said:
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What are your thoughts on Ben Powers and Terrone Prescod? I have both as mid round picks.


Prescod above.

Powers was a hot name coming in to the year but I rarely left a game with a positive grade. That was confirmed against Alabama where he looked like a big schooler. Really poor lower body power and strength and I don't like the inflexibility.
RE: Sy, you were pretty critical of Hernandez last year  
Sy'56 : 4/16/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14388597 MM_in_NYC said:
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Do you attribute his success with us to scheme (which you said was possible), coaching, or did he show more ability in the pros than what you saw on his college tape?

Appreciate your analysis a lot. McCoy at 37 is on pick I'm thinking about.


They gave him a decent amount protection and help after his rough start. But I think he really started to understand angles and what the defense was trying to do. Chalk that up to good coaching and a willing student. Power was always there and the footwork is still choppy, but he worked hard to improve and excelled in the second half.
RE: I know I asked Dave  
Sy'56 : 4/16/2019 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14389016 Mike in NY said:
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But your thoughts on Drew Forbes?


Small school kid that has a shot at getting drafted late simply because of tools and there will be teams hot on his tail to get the inside track. He is a year or two away away from even being in the discussion though. Was a dominant lower level player but he didn't do many things correctly, he was simply just a better athlete and stronger force than everyone he was up against.
Sy, I agree completely with your comments on Risner, Bradbury  
yatqb : 4/16/2019 5:23 pm : link
and McGary. I think each have their issues.
After Richburg, I am definitely NOT on board  
widmerseyebrow : 4/16/2019 6:31 pm : link
with a center who doesn't have some power to his game.
RE: Evan Brown  
Jay on the Island : 4/16/2019 6:37 pm : link
In comment 14388513 Pep22 said:
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From an athletic (and even college experience) standpoint, this guy may have meaningful upside. Do you agree or do you think he's more camp fodder that is more likely to get cut to the extent NYG that they have a draft that Jay on the Island (who seems to have a good feel for OL prospects) recommends?

I am in now way an expert I just do a lot of reading about some players that I find intriguing. Personally I like Evan Brown as he was my favorite UDFA signing last year. Every year I hope that we find the next Rich Seubert and I am not saying that Brown is similar to him but there is a lot to like. He just needed a year to get stronger and I am hoping that he surprises this camp. He is my dark horse surprise pick this training camp. I am not a fan of Pulley at all and I hope Brown beats him out for the backup job.
As far as guards go, that's probably the strongest position on the  
Ira : 4/16/2019 6:51 pm : link
team. At center, the Giants seem to be high on Halapio and have a serviceable backup in Pulley. So, I'd be very surprised to see us pick any player at these positions before day 3 - maybe late day 3.
widereyesbrow  
Marty866b : 4/16/2019 7:18 pm : link
I agree. Reading the report on Bradbury read like the scouting report on Weston Richburg. That's a pass for me. There are many good prospects at the center position this year and we should get one,probably in the 4th round.
If Bradbury  
XBRONX : 4/16/2019 8:46 pm : link
is the best,than who are the other good centers?
How effective of a Center can Lindstrom be Sy?  
Optimus-NY : 4/16/2019 10:03 pm : link
The Giants have a big hole there. Can Lindstrom do it at the pivot in the pros in your opinion?
About Bradbury you write...  
bw in dc : 4/16/2019 10:28 pm : link
"There are legitimate fears about his ability to maintain ground and position against the bigger defenders in the NFL, but that can be hidden inside. Bradbury is a week 1 starter and a long time pro.

Out of curiosity, how many prospect have you said that about this year?

To me, that's a terrific endorsement.
RE: How effective of a Center can Lindstrom be Sy?  
Sy'56 : 4/16/2019 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14389417 Optimus-NY said:
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The Giants have a big hole there. Can Lindstrom do it at the pivot in the pros in your opinion?



Tough to say to be honest. So much of an OC job is about the mental side of the game. Seeing things, mapping stuff out. And the hand-techniques are different and not easy to learn.
RE: About Bradbury you write...  
Sy'56 : 4/16/2019 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14389438 bw in dc said:
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"There are legitimate fears about his ability to maintain ground and position against the bigger defenders in the NFL, but that can be hidden inside. Bradbury is a week 1 starter and a long time pro.

Out of curiosity, how many prospect have you said that about this year?

To me, that's a terrific endorsement.


Not many...if I had to guess...maybe 20? Bradbury needs the right scheme but whoever takes him (which will be in round 1)....they will do so with the intention of starting him
RE: widereyesbrow  
widmerseyebrow : 4/16/2019 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14389184 Marty866b said:
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I agree. Reading the report on Bradbury read like the scouting report on Weston Richburg. That's a pass for me. There are many good prospects at the center position this year and we should get one,probably in the 4th round.


Its fun to think about getting a center who push people around flanked by Hernandez and Zeitler. Great for Barkley and hopefully an end to pressure up the middle.
Bradbury can bulk up  
SGMen : 4/16/2019 11:42 pm : link
He starts at OC for us UNLESS J. Hilapio really surprises and wins out due to experience.

Bradbury will need some weightroom work, sure, but he'll bulk up and has the technique and smarts needed at OC. He is a bit bigger than Richburg.
Why is Bradbury at least 80?  
giantstock : 4/17/2019 12:04 am : link
Hi SY-- that for the updates. I lve it. Love it.

I see you said the following of Bradbury--
"Bradbury is a week 1 starter and a long time pro."

If he is a week 1 starter and long-term pro wouldn't his grading be at least 80?

And secondly, what do you feel is 2nd most important position in the OLINE? My estimate would be center being more important than all others other than LT. WHat do you feel?

Thanks again!
I meant to ask why ISN'T Bradbury at least 80 ?  
giantstock : 4/17/2019 12:07 am : link
I think the dude is a stud. The comments he'll start day 1 for a center imo impressive.
RE: Why is Bradbury at least 80?  
Sy'56 : 4/17/2019 7:16 am : link
In comment 14389481 giantstock said:
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Hi SY-- that for the updates. I lve it. Love it.

I see you said the following of Bradbury--
"Bradbury is a week 1 starter and a long time pro."

If he is a week 1 starter and long-term pro wouldn't his grading be at least 80?

And secondly, what do you feel is 2nd most important position in the OLINE? My estimate would be center being more important than all others other than LT. WHat do you feel?

Thanks again!


Bradbury is scheme-dependent, thats all.

The second most important position is....RT
Hey Sy big thank you for this as always.  
mattyblue : 4/17/2019 9:03 am : link
I especially love reading about the guys that are farther down that I have never really heard of.

RE: RE: widereyesbrow  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/17/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14389467 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 14389184 Marty866b said:


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I agree. Reading the report on Bradbury read like the scouting report on Weston Richburg. That's a pass for me. There are many good prospects at the center position this year and we should get one,probably in the 4th round.



Its fun to think about getting a center who push people around flanked by Hernandez and Zeitler. Great for Barkley and hopefully an end to pressure up the middle.

The constant pressure up the middle disappeared in the later half of the year, not because we found bums to throw in and magically the line improved, but I would contend because of Barkley. Defenses started playing more bend but don't break 2 gap later in the year. Certainly ill advised to send a double A gap blitz against Barkley.
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