Daniel Jeremiah 2019 NFL mock draft 3.0: Drew Lock to Pack

Week until we stop seeing these dumb mocks. Can’t wait.

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Take the defensive player and then lets see how things roll out

I pity the BBI hamster.

And trying to groom a QB behind Rogers seems like an entertainingly toxic idea.

Is awful... Not a fan of Bucky Brooks either...

NFLN needs some new blood... Miss Mayock.

then that tells me they have a conviction on the next franchise guy. They will not reach at 6 just to secure a QB

Mock drafts at all. Let alone 9 days from the draft. They are never really close to what actually happens. Search for Daniel Jeremiah 3.0 2018 mock draft. It was 9 days from the draft and it was bad.

But he has been all over the map this year

In comment 14388567 Big Blue '56 said:

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then that tells me they have a conviction on the next franchise guy. They will not reach at 6 just to secure a QB

+1, Exactly

In comment 14388567 Big Blue '56 said:

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then that tells me they have a conviction on the next franchise guy. They will not reach at 6 just to secure a QB

Been saying this for months. The only way they take a QB in the first round is if they take one at 6 or trade up for one.

They are not going to spend a first round pick on a QB they don't think is a Franchise QB, and you don't trade down or wait until 17 and hope a franchise QB drops to you.

In comment 14388574 ryanmkeane said:

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But he has been all over the map this year

That's how he is every year. His 3rd mock draft from last year is terrible. He hit on Saquon at 2 and Derwin James to the Chargers.

and that’s definitely their guy, I think it would be foolish to take him at 6 knowing there will likely be some stellar defensive players sitting there.

The more reasonable solution to me if they really want Jones would be to take the defender at 6 and then trade up from 17 to get Jones.

And for the record I hate the idea of trading anything to get Jones, but if they do I’ll be his biggest fan as I want our team to win. Same goes for Rosen. Don’t have to like the guys personality, just don’t commit any crimes and play well on the field.

way to Jones at #6. And does anyone really think Sweat will last until #17? Not realistic.

In comment 14388563 Jim Bur(n)t said:

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Is awful... Not a fan of Bucky Brooks either... NFLN needs some new blood... Miss Mayock.

Agree, she probably picked up a lot from her husband, though conflict of interest would be difficult to overcome :)

A lot of people do think he is a top 2 QB, which means at 6 is it not completely unreasonable. While not my choice this is possibility to be prepared for.

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I have a hunch it's Grier. Follow the money - Gettleman went to see Grier play last year when Grier and WVU put up 56 points against Oklahoma (though arguably he was there to see Murray as well). Shurmur went to Grier's pro day.

Grier is a playmaker. I honestly believe he's a dark horse in all of this...

In comment 14388614 GiantNatty said:

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I have a hunch it's Grier. Follow the money - Gettleman went to see Grier play last year when Grier and WVU put up 56 points against Oklahoma (though arguably he was there to see Murray as well). Shurmur went to Grier's pro day. Grier is a playmaker. I honestly believe he's a dark horse in all of this...

That's certainly plausible.

In comment 14388614 GiantNatty said:

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I have a hunch it's Grier. Follow the money - Gettleman went to see Grier play last year when Grier and WVU put up 56 points against Oklahoma (though arguably he was there to see Murray as well). Shurmur went to Grier's pro day. Grier is a playmaker. I honestly believe he's a dark horse in all of this...

Charlie Weis is a fan as well. He’s definitely the most experienced of all of the higher end QB’s in this year’s draft.

late 2nd or so. Not too many plus attributes, but his intangibles are off the charts and he's accurate. Type of guy that could be extremely valuable on a rookie deal.

I said this in another thread. You guys are way too caught up on value. If you love a QB, you don’t wait for the guy to fall to you. You don’t draft a guy at 6 and hope Jones is there at 17. The only reason you pick a QB in the first is because you love him. And if you love him, you don’t play games in getting him. I’d even guess that the Giants would trade up to 5 and swap picks with TB for a 4th or 5th to ensure they don’t get leapfrogged.

if they took Jones at 6.

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I said this in another thread. You guys are way too caught up on value. If you love a QB, you don’t wait for the guy to fall to you. You don’t draft a guy at 6 and hope Jones is there at 17. The only reason you pick a QB in the first is because you love him. And if you love him, you don’t play games in getting him. I’d even guess that the Giants would trade up to 5 and swap picks with TB for a 4th or 5th to ensure they don’t get leapfrogged.

The problem is, why would they love him?

Want Haskins at 17. That’s what they are hoping for

In comment 14388689 Tuckrule said:

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Want Haskins at 17. That’s what they are hoping for

Not sure how likely this is. Both JonC and Jt have said their top QB is Lock and they've heard very little on Haskins. Dave Te also said the Giants requested a bunch of reports from him and Haskins was the only top QB they didn't ask for.

Doesn't make a lot of sense. Basically, every QB needy team in the league is picking between 6 and 17. Outside of a playoff team electing to groom a guy (unlikely) or the Raiders implementing a similar half hearted attempt at QB, he's likely dropping within striking distance of 37.

If you don't love any of these QBs, and passing on them at 6 confirms that, then grab two studs with your first two picks. From there, aggressively move up to grab your 2nd tier QB prospect from 37 or start acquiring assets for the 2020 draft in the unlikely event he comes off the board before the end of round 1.

In comment 14388718 AcesUp said:

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Doesn't make a lot of sense. Basically, every QB needy team in the league is picking between 6 and 17. Outside of a playoff team electing to groom a guy (unlikely) or the Raiders implementing a similar half hearted attempt at QB, he's likely dropping within striking distance of 37. If you don't love any of these QBs, and passing on them at 6 confirms that, then grab two studs with your first two picks. From there, aggressively move up to grab your 2nd tier QB prospect from 37 or start acquiring assets for the 2020 draft in the unlikely event he comes off the board before the end of round 1.

If the Giants pick a QB at #17 it would seem to indicate they don't understand the importance of the QB position.

Is stupid if Rosen is available for less. If you watch them for just a few minutes and do not come away with the understanding of how much better Rosen is than Jones, just do not talk about QBs anymore.

For the inevitable, The Giants front office..blah blah blah....I believe you and it worries me.

However, when see the way the ball comes out of Rosen's hand and then watch him repeat it like a robot over and over, understanding he will be available for less than a 1st round pick, I get hopeful and concerned we will blow this for non football reasons.

Just imagine accurate, beautiful spirals with touch, dropping into SB's hands perfectly in stride , then watching him gash the defense with his unmatched ability with the ball in his hands. Make it so.

In comment 14388721 FranchiseQB said:

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In comment 14388718 AcesUp said: Quote: Doesn't make a lot of sense. Basically, every QB needy team in the league is picking between 6 and 17. Outside of a playoff team electing to groom a guy (unlikely) or the Raiders implementing a similar half hearted attempt at QB, he's likely dropping within striking distance of 37. If you don't love any of these QBs, and passing on them at 6 confirms that, then grab two studs with your first two picks. From there, aggressively move up to grab your 2nd tier QB prospect from 37 or start acquiring assets for the 2020 draft in the unlikely event he comes off the board before the end of round 1. If the Giants pick a QB at #17 it would seem to indicate they don't understand the importance of the QB position.

lol, wut?

In comment 14388739 Thegratefulhead said:

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Is stupid if Rosen is available for less. If you watch them for just a few minutes and do not come away with the understanding of how much better Rosen is than Jones, just do not talk about QBs anymore. For the inevitable, The Giants front office..blah blah blah....I believe you and it worries me. However, when see the way the ball comes out of Rosen's hand and then watch him repeat it like a robot over and over, understanding he will be available for less than a 1st round pick, I get hopeful and concerned we will blow this for non football reasons. Just imagine accurate, beautiful spirals with touch, dropping into SB's hands perfectly in stride , then watching him gash the defense with his unmatched ability with the ball in his hands. Make it so.

Doesn’t matter what you, as a fan sees. It only matters what Shurmur thinks. If he likes Jones and not Rosen, then I’d have to lean heavily towards the decision of a real QB maven, imv

In comment 14388706 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 14388689 Tuckrule said: Quote: Want Haskins at 17. That’s what they are hoping for Not sure how likely this is. Both JonC and Jt have said their top QB is Lock and they've heard very little on Haskins. Dave Te also said the Giants requested a bunch of reports from him and Haskins was the only top QB they didn't ask for.

I agree Big Rick but I think they’re going to get Haskins at 6 and then maybe Devin Bush at 17

In comment 14388567 Big Blue '56 said:

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then that tells me they have a conviction on the next franchise guy. They will not reach at 6 just to secure a QB

Agreed.

is that there were a lot of BBI members who said we need a QB no matter what for the future and we need to take one...

Now that Jones may be picked at 6 - I am curious to see the reactions.

In comment 14388640 Giants38 said:

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I said this in another thread. You guys are way too caught up on value. If you love a QB, you don’t wait for the guy to fall to you. You don’t draft a guy at 6 and hope Jones is there at 17. The only reason you pick a QB in the first is because you love him. And if you love him, you don’t play games in getting him. I’d even guess that the Giants would trade up to 5 and swap picks with TB for a 4th or 5th to ensure they don’t get leapfrogged.

I agree with this for the most part. That's why I think a QB is very much in play at #6. If they don't love any of these QBs then why pick one at 17 or later. We already have a mid round QB to work with. Whether its Haskins/Lock/Jones - if they really like one, they need to grab him at 6.

In comment 14388751 ZogZerg said:

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In comment 14388640 Giants38 said: Quote: I said this in another thread. You guys are way too caught up on value. If you love a QB, you don’t wait for the guy to fall to you. You don’t draft a guy at 6 and hope Jones is there at 17. The only reason you pick a QB in the first is because you love him. And if you love him, you don’t play games in getting him. I’d even guess that the Giants would trade up to 5 and swap picks with TB for a 4th or 5th to ensure they don’t get leapfrogged. I agree with this for the most part. That's why I think a QB is very much in play at #6. If they don't love any of these QBs then why pick one at 17 or later. We already have a mid round QB to work with. Whether its Haskins/Lock/Jones - if they really like one, they need to grab him at 6.

exactly

In comment 14388743 dep026 said:

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In comment 14388721 FranchiseQB said: Quote: In comment 14388718 AcesUp said: Quote: Doesn't make a lot of sense. Basically, every QB needy team in the league is picking between 6 and 17. Outside of a playoff team electing to groom a guy (unlikely) or the Raiders implementing a similar half hearted attempt at QB, he's likely dropping within striking distance of 37. If you don't love any of these QBs, and passing on them at 6 confirms that, then grab two studs with your first two picks. From there, aggressively move up to grab your 2nd tier QB prospect from 37 or start acquiring assets for the 2020 draft in the unlikely event he comes off the board before the end of round 1. If the Giants pick a QB at #17 it would seem to indicate they don't understand the importance of the QB position. lol, wut?

If there is a qb they want then he has to be taken at 6. If they wait until 17 then they are sort of saying yea maybe we like him.. then why are you wasting a #17 on him. either you have conviction about a qb or you dont. hedging with a #17 reveals a problem with their analysis.

In comment 14388764 FranchiseQB said:

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In comment 14388743 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 14388721 FranchiseQB said: Quote: In comment 14388718 AcesUp said: Quote: Doesn't make a lot of sense. Basically, every QB needy team in the league is picking between 6 and 17. Outside of a playoff team electing to groom a guy (unlikely) or the Raiders implementing a similar half hearted attempt at QB, he's likely dropping within striking distance of 37. If you don't love any of these QBs, and passing on them at 6 confirms that, then grab two studs with your first two picks. From there, aggressively move up to grab your 2nd tier QB prospect from 37 or start acquiring assets for the 2020 draft in the unlikely event he comes off the board before the end of round 1. If the Giants pick a QB at #17 it would seem to indicate they don't understand the importance of the QB position. lol, wut? If there is a qb they want then he has to be taken at 6. If they wait until 17 then they are sort of saying yea maybe we like him.. then why are you wasting a #17 on him. either you have conviction about a qb or you don't. hedging with a #17 reveals a problem with their analysis.

There are a number of reasons to wait until #17. They could like a few of them the same, so why not get a defensive stud at #6 first and see who drops? Or they could like a guy like Grier the best (for example), and they feel very confident he will be there. To just blindly say if we don't draft a QB we like at #6 DG is an idiot is very simplistic.

In comment 14388764 FranchiseQB said:

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If there is a qb they want then he has to be taken at 6. If they wait until 17 then they are sort of saying yea maybe we like him.. then why are you wasting a #17 on him. either you have conviction about a qb or you dont. hedging with a #17 reveals a problem with their analysis.

They are not going to pass on higher rated players just to take a QB. They didnt last year. And they arent this year. If they value Q. Williams or Josh Allen much higher than the QBs and 1 is available at 6, they arent taking a QB.

Now if Jones or Lock is there at 17, then they will take one of them. I think thats pretty simple.

Ranking prospects- excellent
looking at say top 200 is so much fun, Sy's breakdown is the absolute best. I come to this site mainly to read anything he says. Dave TE..not so much. Sy..sy is special..but I digress.

Lists of the top 10 at every position..also awesome but Mock drafts? Truly horrendous. These guys with way to much time on their hands feel they have to justify their pay check and when they are right be able to say "see I told you"

I love the draft, I love football. I love talking about prospects but the Mock draft thing and everyone does 4,5,6 of them...puke.

In comment 14388771 dep026 said:

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In comment 14388764 FranchiseQB said: Quote: If there is a qb they want then he has to be taken at 6. If they wait until 17 then they are sort of saying yea maybe we like him.. then why are you wasting a #17 on him. either you have conviction about a qb or you dont. hedging with a #17 reveals a problem with their analysis. They are not going to pass on higher rated players just to take a QB. They didnt last year. And they arent this year. If they value Q. Williams or Josh Allen much higher than the QBs and 1 is available at 6, they arent taking a QB. Now if Jones or Lock is there at 17, then they will take one of them. I think thats pretty simple.

Follow the reasoning here.

1) QB is the most important position in the NFL by a wide margin, and elite QBs get paid that way.

2) An NFL team should strive to obtain an elite franchise QB.

3) Conversely, NFL teams should avoid wasting first round resources and avoid wasting time on a QB they do not view as a franchise QB.

4) If there is a QB target that the brain trust views as a franchise qb then that target is by definition a) more valuable than any player at any other position and b) not worth gambling they will still be on the board 11 picks later.

5) If there is a franchise QB in the draft and if you need a QB, that player must be at the top of the board.

6) passing on this franchise QB to obtain another player and hoping that QB will remain on the board 11 picks later is malpractice and reveals you don't understand how to valuate QBs.

7) or hoping to select a qb at 17 when you passed at 6 means you do not have conviction he is a franchise QB and you foolishly decided to waste valuable time and first round resources on an undeserving player

In comment 14388750 dep026 said:

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is that there were a lot of BBI members who said we need a QB no matter what for the future and we need to take one... Now that Jones may be picked at 6 - I am curious to see the reactions.

No we wanted a highly rated QB prospect. Like Rosen, Darnold, or Haskins. Don’t twist it.

In comment 14388868 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14388750 dep026 said: Quote: is that there were a lot of BBI members who said we need a QB no matter what for the future and we need to take one... Now that Jones may be picked at 6 - I am curious to see the reactions. No we wanted a highly rated QB prospect. Like Rosen, Darnold, or Haskins. Don’t twist it.

Make no mistake about it: I don’t want Daniel Jones. I don’t want him at 6, 17, or elsewhere. What I am saying is simple: franchise QBs are viewed as such. If the Giants believe any of the guys to be franchise guys, they have to take him at 6. Otherwise, it’s an indication they don’t care about losing the guy. It’s not crazy reasoning; you don’t mess around in getting a franchise QB. If the Giants think Jones is that guy, they should take him at 6. I wouldn’t agree with the pick, but it would be the smart play for them.

If they loved Jones and lost him because they gambled on him falling to 17, that is epically dumb. You don’t fool around on losing a guy you have identified as a franchise QB.

In comment 14388868 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14388750 dep026 said: Quote: is that there were a lot of BBI members who said we need a QB no matter what for the future and we need to take one... Now that Jones may be picked at 6 - I am curious to see the reactions. No we wanted a highly rated QB prospect. Like Rosen, Darnold, or Haskins. Don’t twist it.

What makes Haskins rated higher than jones?

In comment 14388888 Giants38 said:

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In comment 14388868 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14388750 dep026 said: Quote: is that there were a lot of BBI members who said we need a QB no matter what for the future and we need to take one... Now that Jones may be picked at 6 - I am curious to see the reactions. No we wanted a highly rated QB prospect. Like Rosen, Darnold, or Haskins. Don’t twist it. Make no mistake about it: I don’t want Daniel Jones. I don’t want him at 6, 17, or elsewhere. What I am saying is simple: franchise QBs are viewed as such. If the Giants believe any of the guys to be franchise guys, they have to take him at 6. Otherwise, it’s an indication they don’t care about losing the guy. It’s not crazy reasoning; you don’t mess around in getting a franchise QB. If the Giants think Jones is that guy, they should take him at 6. I wouldn’t agree with the pick, but it would be the smart play for them. If they loved Jones and lost him because they gambled on him falling to 17, that is epically dumb. You don’t fool around on losing a guy you have identified as a franchise QB.

I’m not disagreeing with the concept, just the fact that Jones isn’t the guy.

In comment 14388888 Giants38 said:

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In comment 14388868 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14388750 dep026 said: Quote: is that there were a lot of BBI members who said we need a QB no matter what for the future and we need to take one... Now that Jones may be picked at 6 - I am curious to see the reactions. No we wanted a highly rated QB prospect. Like Rosen, Darnold, or Haskins. Don’t twist it. Make no mistake about it: I don’t want Daniel Jones. I don’t want him at 6, 17, or elsewhere. What I am saying is simple: franchise QBs are viewed as such. If the Giants believe any of the guys to be franchise guys, they have to take him at 6. Otherwise, it’s an indication they don’t care about losing the guy. It’s not crazy reasoning; you don’t mess around in getting a franchise QB. If the Giants think Jones is that guy, they should take him at 6. I wouldn’t agree with the pick, but it would be the smart play for them. If they loved Jones and lost him because they gambled on him falling to 17, that is epically dumb. You don’t fool around on losing a guy you have identified as a franchise QB.

bingo.. agreed. i don't love Jones either, actually i barely know anything about him but dont like what i have heard but if they love him they cant risk losing him waiting for him to be there at 17.

How can we go wrong it's not like we haven't done this before and he's in the Hall Of Fame, NO!