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exiled : 4/16/2019 4:12 pm
I never hear about the 2004 drama from the Charger’ perspective.

“Former Chargers GM says trading Eli Manning was the 'most satisfying moment' of career”
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AJ Smith is a prick  
robbieballs2003 : 4/16/2019 4:15 pm : link
and that hasn't changed. Great job letting Brees go for nothing.
RE: AJ Smith is a prick  
Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14388981 robbieballs2003 said:
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and that hasn't changed. Great job letting Brees go for nothing.


Mic drop



Great job letting Brees go for nothing



And both Manning and Brees went on the win Super Bowls. Did that give  
Ira : 4/16/2019 4:22 pm : link
him satisfaction?
Yup  
Matt in SGS : 4/16/2019 4:29 pm : link
Smith is a card carrying asshole.

But I was always intrigued by the fact that there actually weren't rules in the NFL for Accorsi and Smith to make a trade like this on draft day. It was very much an NBA draft deal deal in which you pick a player for another team and trade him. If Smith wanted to be the biggest prick on Earth, he tells Accorsi to pick Rivers, and then walks away. The Giants had no grounds to say "hey...they told us to pick him and we'd get Manning".
He could feel that his pick of Manning  
BillT : 4/16/2019 4:34 pm : link
Got him the QB he wanted plus picks but his QB doesn't have 2 SB MVPs so.... screw him.
Ben and Eli have 2 Super Bowl wins  
JohnB : 4/16/2019 4:35 pm : link
And Rivers has none.

If building a "playoff team" is the goal, then AJ Smith did pretty good. I think the goal is winning the Super Bowl. In that aspect, Smith is a failure.
I think Smith made the right deal, and a great deal  
Csonka : 4/16/2019 4:38 pm : link
I don't think not winning a SB proves he didn't.
RE: I think Smith made the right deal, and a great deal  
ron mexico : 4/16/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14389010 Csonka said:
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I don't think not winning a SB proves he didn't.


That maybe true, but results are what matter and he gave up two QBs with a combine three Super Bowl wins
RE: Yup  
robbieballs2003 : 4/16/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14388999 Matt in SGS said:
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Smith is a card carrying asshole.

But I was always intrigued by the fact that there actually weren't rules in the NFL for Accorsi and Smith to make a trade like this on draft day. It was very much an NBA draft deal deal in which you pick a player for another team and trade him. If Smith wanted to be the biggest prick on Earth, he tells Accorsi to pick Rivers, and then walks away. The Giants had no grounds to say "hey...they told us to pick him and we'd get Manning".


From my understanding, I think Acorsi said they only picked Rivers because that is who they knew SD wanted. However, there was no outline for a deal. Acorsi took a huge gamble.
Didn't Eli force the trade anyway?  
Csonka : 4/16/2019 4:49 pm : link
I remember he threatened to hold out the year of the Chargers took him.
RE: RE: Yup  
Eman11 : 4/16/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14389017 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14388999 Matt in SGS said:


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Smith is a card carrying asshole.

But I was always intrigued by the fact that there actually weren't rules in the NFL for Accorsi and Smith to make a trade like this on draft day. It was very much an NBA draft deal deal in which you pick a player for another team and trade him. If Smith wanted to be the biggest prick on Earth, he tells Accorsi to pick Rivers, and then walks away. The Giants had no grounds to say "hey...they told us to pick him and we'd get Manning".



From my understanding, I think Acorsi said they only picked Rivers because that is who they knew SD wanted. However, there was no outline for a deal. Acorsi took a huge gamble.


Wait, you mean their second choice or who they wanted back in a trade if Wli wouldn't sign there right? Because if Rivers was the guy they wanted they would've drafted him at 1 no?

No trying to be a wise ass just trying to make sure I understand your post.
^^^ Eli ^^^^  
Eman11 : 4/16/2019 4:50 pm : link
Not Wli. Lol
RE: I think Smith made the right deal, and a great deal  
BillT : 4/16/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14389010 Csonka said:
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I don't think not winning a SB proves he didn't.

Didn't really turn out to be a great deal. The players he netted didn't lead the Chargers to great things. Good things but not great things. EA got the better of the deal.
If we're going to compare GMs success  
Eli2020 : 4/16/2019 4:54 pm : link
Remember Reese won 2. Would you truly consider him a successful GM?
*2 Super Bowls  
Eli2020 : 4/16/2019 4:55 pm : link
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RE: RE: AJ Smith is a prick  
clatterbuck : 4/16/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14388987 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14388981 robbieballs2003 said:


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and that hasn't changed. Great job letting Brees go for nothing.



Mic drop



Great job letting Brees go for nothing




Pick up that mic and drop it again.
Can understand his animosity at the time.  
TMS : 4/16/2019 5:25 pm : link
Eli and his father certainly dissed San Diego before the draft. Just being honest I guess. Wonder how he felt watching ELI get all that early SB glory.
RE: RE: RE: Yup  
robbieballs2003 : 4/16/2019 5:37 pm : link
In comment 14389021 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14389017 robbieballs2003 said:


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In comment 14388999 Matt in SGS said:


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Smith is a card carrying asshole.

But I was always intrigued by the fact that there actually weren't rules in the NFL for Accorsi and Smith to make a trade like this on draft day. It was very much an NBA draft deal deal in which you pick a player for another team and trade him. If Smith wanted to be the biggest prick on Earth, he tells Accorsi to pick Rivers, and then walks away. The Giants had no grounds to say "hey...they told us to pick him and we'd get Manning".



From my understanding, I think Acorsi said they only picked Rivers because that is who they knew SD wanted. However, there was no outline for a deal. Acorsi took a huge gamble.



Wait, you mean their second choice or who they wanted back in a trade if Wli wouldn't sign there right? Because if Rivers was the guy they wanted they would've drafted him at 1 no?

No trying to be a wise ass just trying to make sure I understand your post.


I have no idea what you mean. EA drafted Rivers hoping that Smith would still trade Eli for him. But at the time of the pick there was no agreement saying that if you pick Rivers we will work something out. It was basically a hail mary based on Eli not wanting to be there.
I think people are acting like it was a huge risk  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/16/2019 5:42 pm : link
Eli was holding out if he went to SD period, that much is known. And it was very well known around the league, just look at his face at the podium lol. A trade would have been worked out eventually even if it wasn't on draft day. What was that asshole in SD do? Nah I'm cool with my first overall pick holding out for the year while we don't have a QB for the future. Not happening. He actually got quite a haul from us considering the circumstance and why a deal got done so fast.
I'm trying to understand  
Eman11 : 4/16/2019 5:43 pm : link
Your point about Rivers being the guy SD wanted. Do you mean the guy they wanted back in a trade for Eli ( as opposed to Ben) or the guy they wanted all along? I'm thinking you mean the former because if Rivers was their guy all along they would've drafted him at 1, no?

Again, not trying to be a wise ass just trying to understand exactly what you meant about Rivers being the guy SD wanted.
Smith making that Mannings' point  
DonQuixote : 4/16/2019 7:23 pm : link
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