Nothing I’ve seen even gives me a glimmer of hope as to a productive future. He doesn’t make plays consistently. Very accurate in the short to intermediate area, but nothing screams wow.
If we draft him, I’ll root like he’ll, but I’m not holding my breath.
because he doesn’t have “flashy” skills. He’s mobile but not quick. He’s got a good arm, not special. His best attribute is his head, but he puts he ball in harms way too often. He “seems” to be a high floor, low ceiling kind of guy, who is hard to get excited about. If they want to go that route they should take the guy with the better arm- Haskins. More potential for growth too.
after reading all the BBI opinions, I expected to see a noodle armed mush when I watched his pro day and he looked pretty good to me. A pro day isn't much so I went and looked at what I could find on youtube and it still wasn't bad. THE thing I came away with was just how horrible his WRs were as there were too many drops to count....I don't know squat but he doesn't look terrible to me and the arm looks strong enough to my untrained eye. Lauleta on the other hand looks like a guy with a weak arm and did to me before he was drafted...just as a comparison.
Whether he merits a first round pick (I don't think he does) is another matter.
There was a compelling podcast discussion the other day between Evan Silva and Greg Gabriel about the Giants and what they're doing at QB. Gabriel (who has a lot of history with the Giants) read quite a bit into Chris Mara's attendance at Daniel Jones's workout (but not Lock's).
There are two key concepts/bits of info from this offseason on this subject, IMO:
1. jtgiants - the #6 pick will be a defensive player
2. Sy - if the Giants want Jones, they're not going to wait until #17 to pick him
Gabriel also said something else on the podcast...Jones would probably require a trade up from #17 to get him.
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but how bad IS his arm? It seems that is his biggest issue. Is it Chad Pennington bad?
Eli doesn't have a Mahomes-like cannon, but it is more than enough. How does he compare?
It's not bad at all. He has really good touch on the long stuff, but I guess the knock is he puts too much air under them. From what I saw it was good placement though. The only other thing was he falls in love with the primary option, and there was some concern on mid range sideline throws that there's some potential for INTs the was he places those. The arm strength stuff is not accurate in my view. His velocity is not bad.
Who knows though? LOL I thought last years draft was interesting, I have ZERO idea what to expect from us on draft day. It's kinda cool actually.
because he doesn’t have “flashy” skills. He’s mobile but not quick. He’s got a good arm, not special. His best attribute is his head, but he puts he ball in harms way too often. He “seems” to be a high floor, low ceiling kind of guy, who is hard to get excited about. If they want to go that route they should take the guy with the better arm- Haskins. More potential for growth too.
The worry on Haskins was his receivers were awesome. Jones had a few JAGs, many that won't sniff the NFL and dropped a lot of balls.
Seriously though, take away Cutcliffe, his sneaky athleticism and his size, and what do you have? He has never thrown for more than 3000 yards in a season, he has no zip on his passes,
But he doesn't turn the ball over. Okay, great. If I wanted a tall, sneaky athletic QB who doesn't turn the ball over and was coached by David Cutcliffe, I'd draft Erik Ainge.
RE: Has some arm strength and accuracy questions Â
After all, he's been to the Manning football camps and he and Eli are chums.
Pardon the sarcasm, but it seems to me that the organization has chosen a self inflicted "180" since the Geno Smith start. Rather than thinking strategically, they've gotten soft. The irony is that the longer this goes on, the more they're damaging Manning's legacy. Meanwhile...predictably, its been a seemingly endless run of poor results.
I don't love the guy. But he's very competitive and tough Â
After all, he's been to the Manning football camps and he and Eli are chums.
Pardon the sarcasm, but it seems to me that the organization has chosen a self inflicted "180" since the Geno Smith start. Rather than thinking strategically, they've gotten soft. The irony is that the longer this goes on, the more they're damaging Manning's legacy. Meanwhile...predictably, its been a seemingly endless run of poor results.
OMG dude. Can you drop the Eli stuff every other post? What in the world does Jones climbing up NFL draft boards have to do with Eli Manning? Let it go man.
After all, he's been to the Manning football camps and he and Eli are chums.
Pardon the sarcasm, but it seems to me that the organization has chosen a self inflicted "180" since the Geno Smith start. Rather than thinking strategically, they've gotten soft. The irony is that the longer this goes on, the more they're damaging Manning's legacy. Meanwhile...predictably, its been a seemingly endless run of poor results.
OMG dude. Can you drop the Eli stuff every other post? What in the world does Jones climbing up NFL draft boards have to do with Eli Manning? Let it go man.
There is a reason they're likely to draft Jones and its not talent.
You can't just look at stats - you need to look at the team Â
around him. Guys like Leinert can throw for all kinds of yards when USC was pumping out 1st rd picks at OL and WR. Jones played for Duke, who I don't think has any other pro prospect on its roster (I may be slightly wrong here but you get my point). Then he has to go play Clemson and others with superior talent. So completion rates, wins, even passing yards need to be calibrated. This is also why its critical to get these players our of their environment, and put them side by side. This is the only way to really judge.
After all, he's been to the Manning football camps and he and Eli are chums.
Pardon the sarcasm, but it seems to me that the organization has chosen a self inflicted "180" since the Geno Smith start. Rather than thinking strategically, they've gotten soft. The irony is that the longer this goes on, the more they're damaging Manning's legacy. Meanwhile...predictably, its been a seemingly endless run of poor results.
OMG dude. Can you drop the Eli stuff every other post? What in the world does Jones climbing up NFL draft boards have to do with Eli Manning? Let it go man.
There is a reason they're likely to draft Jones and its not talent.
Again, what does that have to do with the original post, that he is high on other peoples boards? Do you think you know more than Gil Brandt et al?
If we have an expectation that the next QB is going to be Eli 2.0, we're going to be disappointed. 15 years, 2 titles, and a model face of the franchise...that's a ridiculously high standard. And of course we've already heard Gettleman say he wants to do for this organization what Accorsi did in 2004. A silly thing for Gettleman to say.
We can't be trying to recreate the past with the next QB.
He certainly did. Do not think ELI could have ever shown that kind of speed. Let Shurmur, DG and Shula make the call. They could live or die with it. Like smarts and toughness in a QB and he seems to have that as well.
RE: You can't just look at stats - you need to look at the team Â
around him. Guys like Leinert can throw for all kinds of yards when USC was pumping out 1st rd picks at OL and WR. Jones played for Duke, who I don't think has any other pro prospect on its roster (I may be slightly wrong here but you get my point). Then he has to go play Clemson and others with superior talent. So completion rates, wins, even passing yards need to be calibrated. This is also why its critical to get these players our of their environment, and put them side by side. This is the only way to really judge.
I don't see what separates Jones from a guy like Eric Dungey, another guy who I don't think is anything more than at most a backup QB prospect in the NFL.
btw, their stats were nearly identical
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If we have an expectation that the next QB is going to be Eli 2.0, we're going to be disappointed. 15 years, 2 titles, and a model face of the franchise...that's a ridiculously high standard. And of course we've already heard Gettleman say he wants to do for this organization what Accorsi did in 2004. A silly thing for Gettleman to say.
We can't be trying to recreate the past with the next QB.
Perhaps he just meant stability at the qb position
Don’t fuck around at QB. Don’t want to hear about the quality of these defensive prospects, the defensive player you take at #6 would literally have to be Lawrence Taylor to be close in value to a franchise QB. Spoiler alert, none of these prospects will become Lawrence Taylor.
IF he is the guy you draft him at 6 and figure out the rest later.
Now, I am not thrilled about Jones and don’t like a lot of what I read or hear about him as a player but I am not an expert. If the Giants love him the only move is to draft him at #6.
After all, he's been to the Manning football camps and he and Eli are chums.
Pardon the sarcasm, but it seems to me that the organization has chosen a self inflicted "180" since the Geno Smith start. Rather than thinking strategically, they've gotten soft. The irony is that the longer this goes on, the more they're damaging Manning's legacy. Meanwhile...predictably, its been a seemingly endless run of poor results.
OMG dude. Can you drop the Eli stuff every other post? What in the world does Jones climbing up NFL draft boards have to do with Eli Manning? Let it go man.
There is a reason they're likely to draft Jones and its not talent.
Again, what does that have to do with the original post, that he is high on other peoples boards? Do you think you know more than Gil Brandt et al?
I'm not alone. There are many who think he's the 4th best QB in the draft. Basically, a Ryan Tannehill type. Nobody looks at Jones and thinks, now there's a guy that can sling it.
RE: One problem I think this organization is going to face Â
If we have an expectation that the next QB is going to be Eli 2.0, we're going to be disappointed. 15 years, 2 titles, and a model face of the franchise...that's a ridiculously high standard. And of course we've already heard Gettleman say he wants to do for this organization what Accorsi did in 2004. A silly thing for Gettleman to say.
We can't be trying to recreate the past with the next QB.
I agree with most of your post but I don't think what DG said is silly. Doing what Accorsi did for the franchise should be the goal, and him saying that's what he wants to do is just acknowledging that IMO.
I prefer that to him saying the challenge is too high a standard.
I don't believe much of what's written this time of year... Â
If we have an expectation that the next QB is going to be Eli 2.0, we're going to be disappointed. 15 years, 2 titles, and a model face of the franchise...that's a ridiculously high standard. And of course we've already heard Gettleman say he wants to do for this organization what Accorsi did in 2004. A silly thing for Gettleman to say.
We can't be trying to recreate the past with the next QB.
Don't forget, historic durability....that aspect is often over looked when discussing Eli, very very rare.
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around him. Guys like Leinert can throw for all kinds of yards when USC was pumping out 1st rd picks at OL and WR. Jones played for Duke, who I don't think has any other pro prospect on its roster (I may be slightly wrong here but you get my point). Then he has to go play Clemson and others with superior talent. So completion rates, wins, even passing yards need to be calibrated. This is also why its critical to get these players our of their environment, and put them side by side. This is the only way to really judge.
I don't see what separates Jones from a guy like Eric Dungey, another guy who I don't think is anything more than at most a backup QB prospect in the NFL.
btw, their stats were nearly identical
First off, I wasn't talking about Dungy and don't know much about him. I was talking about Jones, so I don't see what your response is about. Second, a quick reviewing of multiple draft sites shows Dungy never even in the top 20 of college QB's this year (most even have him lower than 30). So why are you comparing a QB that all scouts have between #2-#4, with a guy who won't even be drafted (and may not even get invited to try out as a FA somewhere)? Are you right and every scout in the NFL wrong?
RE: One problem I think this organization is going to face Â
If we have an expectation that the next QB is going to be Eli 2.0, we're going to be disappointed. 15 years, 2 titles, and a model face of the franchise...that's a ridiculously high standard. And of course we've already heard Gettleman say he wants to do for this organization what Accorsi did in 2004. A silly thing for Gettleman to say.
We can't be trying to recreate the past with the next QB.
Nothing wrong with what DG said. They all generalize like that. Of course he’d like a 2004 redux, but to me, that’s GM-speak. He is not going to reach for a QB he and Shurmur do not believe are franchise-worthy. If he does, that would really set us back. A fireable offense, imo
Stability should only be the goal if the QB is an elite player. Stability with Eli was a good thing...we got two titles out of it...but even that ended up being taken too far. Is the next QB going to be as good as Eli was at his peak? Almost certainly not.
The odds are overwhelming that the next QB we get (Jones, Haskins, Fromm, whomever) is not going to be an elite player. We have to be willing to accept that reality the moment it becomes apparent, and not expect him to make the jump that Eli made circa 2007.
This process demands clear eyes and objective minds, otherwise we could end up waiting six years for a Ryan Tannehill type to become Eli Manning.
I'm not alone. There are many who think he's the 4th best QB in the draft. Basically, a Ryan Tannehill type. Nobody looks at Jones and thinks, now there's a guy that can sling it.
Not a Jones guy, myself, but Pep who cares if you are not alone? You are not Gil Brandt or a professional scout. I can understand you are not impressed or you don't "see it" with him. But that is merely your opinion(and some other fans). I have read he has an accurate and strong arm on short and intermediate range throws. What? All of a sudden his arm strength disappears on deep balls? People say he "floats" it, but is it just a technique failure?
McShay was on last week and he was asked about Jones moving up on boards and he asked the scouts he knew and he was told they aren't moving up on their boards.
We know Jones isn't moving up on David Te's board so far.
After all, he's been to the Manning football camps and he and Eli are chums.
Pardon the sarcasm, but it seems to me that the organization has chosen a self inflicted "180" since the Geno Smith start. Rather than thinking strategically, they've gotten soft. The irony is that the longer this goes on, the more they're damaging Manning's legacy. Meanwhile...predictably, its been a seemingly endless run of poor results.
I don’t want Jones or any other QB in this year’s (or from last year’s) draft.
But if you’re insinuating that you wouldn’t want Eli Manning (redux) at the beginning of his career, you’re crazy.
that someone can be rising up a draft board on April 16th with the draft 2 weeks away seems like something is broken with the process (if that's legit).
None of these people have played a meaningful football down in 90 days by draft day, some in 120 or more.
Don’t fuck around at QB. Don’t want to hear about the quality of these defensive prospects, the defensive player you take at #6 would literally have to be Lawrence Taylor to be close in value to a franchise QB. Spoiler alert, none of these prospects will become Lawrence Taylor.
IF he is the guy you draft him at 6 and figure out the rest later.
Now, I am not thrilled about Jones and don’t like a lot of what I read or hear about him as a player but I am not an expert. If the Giants love him the only move is to draft him at #6.
You’re never going to win anything without a complete team. So get the best you can at the appropriate time. The margin of difference greatly favors the DL guy over QB this year and next year’s QB over this year’s QB. Either way, you have the same holes to fill..
that someone can be rising up a draft board on April 16th with the draft 2 weeks away seems like something is broken with the process (if that's legit).
None of these people have played a meaningful football down in 90 days by draft day, some in 120 or more.
Rising up draft boards = dissonance between Mock drafters(sports writers) and the late leaks of how the NFL views these prospects. It happens every year.
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and drops. The teams have seen the combine, had private workouts, had interviews and meetings, and are now compiling the data. The "media" had made their mock drafts weeks ago to get clicks, with little or no input, so it makes sense things change after the actual scouting analysis is completed.
I can't help but think the value would be better on Finley a couple rounds later. I just can't find much of a gap anywhere between he and Jones and I can't find anything about Jones that really excites me or makes me think he has a high ceiling.
He screams "average" and "safe" to me. Not really seeing the upside. I also didn't watch Duke play on a weekly basis... but I haven't seen a whole lot of analysts suggest 6th overall would be an appropriate spot to draft Jones. If anything, it feels like it'd be a major reach.
There will be better defensive players on the board there. I just don't like or see the value and it's the one pick (aside from maybe Gary) that would bug me.
If they decide he's the guy, I'll root for him and hope they're right. I just don't see it and wouldn't be thrilled.
that someone can be rising up a draft board on April 16th with the draft 2 weeks away seems like something is broken with the process (if that's legit).
None of these people have played a meaningful football down in 90 days by draft day, some in 120 or more.
When a person is "rising" close to the draft it is more a product of the media collecting more information from teams about their true opinions on players. We are now hearing that several teams actually like Daniel Jones over Dwayne Haskins.
that someone can be rising up a draft board on April 16th with the draft 2 weeks away seems like something is broken with the process (if that's legit).
None of these people have played a meaningful football down in 90 days by draft day, some in 120 or more.
Rising up draft boards = dissonance between Mock drafters(sports writers) and the late leaks of how the NFL views these prospects. It happens every year.
Good point, makes sense.
It probably explains the December 2007 mock draft with Andre Woodson in the first round. As we know the Giants took him in the 6th.
Damontre Moore was in many 1st rounds of mocks drafts in February of his draft year, as we know he went in the 3rd.
that someone can be rising up a draft board on April 16th with the draft 2 weeks away seems like something is broken with the process (if that's legit).
None of these people have played a meaningful football down in 90 days by draft day, some in 120 or more.
When a person is "rising" close to the draft it is more a product of the media collecting more information from teams about their true opinions on players. We are now hearing that several teams actually like Daniel Jones over Dwayne Haskins.
Yeah, makes sense, still seems a little bizarre to me, but teams also leak a lot of false stuff around now.
Just watch youtube and you'll see. I mean if Jones and Duke couldn't move the ball against Clemson then he obviously sucks
Anyone who saw Russell Wilson in college knew he had the IT factor and would be a player on the next level. He still fell to the 3rd round because of his height. But here we are years later with him as the highest paid player in the game and former Super Bowl Champion.
Don't give these FO guys too much credit, some of these online guys live and breathe college football know more than the talking heads you watch on TV.
I don't think teams keep a rolling big board throughout the season the way pundits do - they scout these guys during the seasons, compile all their raw data, and then spend these few months after that season arguing, reviewing the tape, meeting with the players officially, assigning final grades, and then setting their boards. As they set their boards I think that's when the leaks start to some degree, as well as the tea leaf reading based on which players are getting visits + private workouts, and that's when the pundits can play catch up and see who the pros are higher on than the pundits + media consensus.
If we draft him, I’ll root like he’ll, but I’m not holding my breath.
I think my only other mention was that Gil Brandt had him as the #2 QB in the draft.
But if you check out the other pundits, he's not alone.
Arm strength was disbunked. The onlt ding I've seen is accuracy on the long ball, which could be him or the WR.
Eli doesn't have a Mahomes-like cannon, but it is more than enough. How does he compare?
There was a compelling podcast discussion the other day between Evan Silva and Greg Gabriel about the Giants and what they're doing at QB. Gabriel (who has a lot of history with the Giants) read quite a bit into Chris Mara's attendance at Daniel Jones's workout (but not Lock's).
There are two key concepts/bits of info from this offseason on this subject, IMO:
1. jtgiants - the #6 pick will be a defensive player
2. Sy - if the Giants want Jones, they're not going to wait until #17 to pick him
Gabriel also said something else on the podcast...Jones would probably require a trade up from #17 to get him.
Eli doesn't have a Mahomes-like cannon, but it is more than enough. How does he compare?
It's not bad at all. He has really good touch on the long stuff, but I guess the knock is he puts too much air under them. From what I saw it was good placement though. The only other thing was he falls in love with the primary option, and there was some concern on mid range sideline throws that there's some potential for INTs the was he places those. The arm strength stuff is not accurate in my view. His velocity is not bad.
Who knows though? LOL I thought last years draft was interesting, I have ZERO idea what to expect from us on draft day. It's kinda cool actually.
Jones - ( New Window )
The worry on Haskins was his receivers were awesome. Jones had a few JAGs, many that won't sniff the NFL and dropped a lot of balls.
But he doesn't turn the ball over. Okay, great. If I wanted a tall, sneaky athletic QB who doesn't turn the ball over and was coached by David Cutcliffe, I'd draft Erik Ainge.
He also had a poor OL, his receivers dropped a ton of balls, and it's a weak QB class.
Pardon the sarcasm, but it seems to me that the organization has chosen a self inflicted "180" since the Geno Smith start. Rather than thinking strategically, they've gotten soft. The irony is that the longer this goes on, the more they're damaging Manning's legacy. Meanwhile...predictably, its been a seemingly endless run of poor results.
Pardon the sarcasm, but it seems to me that the organization has chosen a self inflicted "180" since the Geno Smith start. Rather than thinking strategically, they've gotten soft. The irony is that the longer this goes on, the more they're damaging Manning's legacy. Meanwhile...predictably, its been a seemingly endless run of poor results.
OMG dude. Can you drop the Eli stuff every other post? What in the world does Jones climbing up NFL draft boards have to do with Eli Manning? Let it go man.
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After all, he's been to the Manning football camps and he and Eli are chums.
Pardon the sarcasm, but it seems to me that the organization has chosen a self inflicted "180" since the Geno Smith start. Rather than thinking strategically, they've gotten soft. The irony is that the longer this goes on, the more they're damaging Manning's legacy. Meanwhile...predictably, its been a seemingly endless run of poor results.
OMG dude. Can you drop the Eli stuff every other post? What in the world does Jones climbing up NFL draft boards have to do with Eli Manning? Let it go man.
There is a reason they're likely to draft Jones and its not talent.
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After all, he's been to the Manning football camps and he and Eli are chums.
Pardon the sarcasm, but it seems to me that the organization has chosen a self inflicted "180" since the Geno Smith start. Rather than thinking strategically, they've gotten soft. The irony is that the longer this goes on, the more they're damaging Manning's legacy. Meanwhile...predictably, its been a seemingly endless run of poor results.
OMG dude. Can you drop the Eli stuff every other post? What in the world does Jones climbing up NFL draft boards have to do with Eli Manning? Let it go man.
There is a reason they're likely to draft Jones and its not talent.
Again, what does that have to do with the original post, that he is high on other peoples boards? Do you think you know more than Gil Brandt et al?
People think QBs magically turn shit birds to all stars. They may make them better but you still need talented players.
We can't be trying to recreate the past with the next QB.
I don't see what separates Jones from a guy like Eric Dungey, another guy who I don't think is anything more than at most a backup QB prospect in the NFL.
btw, their stats were nearly identical
We can't be trying to recreate the past with the next QB.
Perhaps he just meant stability at the qb position
IF he is the guy you draft him at 6 and figure out the rest later.
Now, I am not thrilled about Jones and don’t like a lot of what I read or hear about him as a player but I am not an expert. If the Giants love him the only move is to draft him at #6.
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After all, he's been to the Manning football camps and he and Eli are chums.
Pardon the sarcasm, but it seems to me that the organization has chosen a self inflicted "180" since the Geno Smith start. Rather than thinking strategically, they've gotten soft. The irony is that the longer this goes on, the more they're damaging Manning's legacy. Meanwhile...predictably, its been a seemingly endless run of poor results.
OMG dude. Can you drop the Eli stuff every other post? What in the world does Jones climbing up NFL draft boards have to do with Eli Manning? Let it go man.
There is a reason they're likely to draft Jones and its not talent.
Again, what does that have to do with the original post, that he is high on other peoples boards? Do you think you know more than Gil Brandt et al?
I'm not alone. There are many who think he's the 4th best QB in the draft. Basically, a Ryan Tannehill type. Nobody looks at Jones and thinks, now there's a guy that can sling it.
We can't be trying to recreate the past with the next QB.
I agree with most of your post but I don't think what DG said is silly. Doing what Accorsi did for the franchise should be the goal, and him saying that's what he wants to do is just acknowledging that IMO.
I prefer that to him saying the challenge is too high a standard.
We can't be trying to recreate the past with the next QB.
Don't forget, historic durability....that aspect is often over looked when discussing Eli, very very rare.
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around him. Guys like Leinert can throw for all kinds of yards when USC was pumping out 1st rd picks at OL and WR. Jones played for Duke, who I don't think has any other pro prospect on its roster (I may be slightly wrong here but you get my point). Then he has to go play Clemson and others with superior talent. So completion rates, wins, even passing yards need to be calibrated. This is also why its critical to get these players our of their environment, and put them side by side. This is the only way to really judge.
I don't see what separates Jones from a guy like Eric Dungey, another guy who I don't think is anything more than at most a backup QB prospect in the NFL.
btw, their stats were nearly identical
First off, I wasn't talking about Dungy and don't know much about him. I was talking about Jones, so I don't see what your response is about. Second, a quick reviewing of multiple draft sites shows Dungy never even in the top 20 of college QB's this year (most even have him lower than 30). So why are you comparing a QB that all scouts have between #2-#4, with a guy who won't even be drafted (and may not even get invited to try out as a FA somewhere)? Are you right and every scout in the NFL wrong?
We can't be trying to recreate the past with the next QB.
Nothing wrong with what DG said. They all generalize like that. Of course he’d like a 2004 redux, but to me, that’s GM-speak. He is not going to reach for a QB he and Shurmur do not believe are franchise-worthy. If he does, that would really set us back. A fireable offense, imo
The odds are overwhelming that the next QB we get (Jones, Haskins, Fromm, whomever) is not going to be an elite player. We have to be willing to accept that reality the moment it becomes apparent, and not expect him to make the jump that Eli made circa 2007.
This process demands clear eyes and objective minds, otherwise we could end up waiting six years for a Ryan Tannehill type to become Eli Manning.
I'm not alone. There are many who think he's the 4th best QB in the draft. Basically, a Ryan Tannehill type. Nobody looks at Jones and thinks, now there's a guy that can sling it.
Not a Jones guy, myself, but Pep who cares if you are not alone? You are not Gil Brandt or a professional scout. I can understand you are not impressed or you don't "see it" with him. But that is merely your opinion(and some other fans). I have read he has an accurate and strong arm on short and intermediate range throws. What? All of a sudden his arm strength disappears on deep balls? People say he "floats" it, but is it just a technique failure?
We know Jones isn't moving up on David Te's board so far.
Pardon the sarcasm, but it seems to me that the organization has chosen a self inflicted "180" since the Geno Smith start. Rather than thinking strategically, they've gotten soft. The irony is that the longer this goes on, the more they're damaging Manning's legacy. Meanwhile...predictably, its been a seemingly endless run of poor results.
I don’t want Jones or any other QB in this year’s (or from last year’s) draft.
But if you’re insinuating that you wouldn’t want Eli Manning (redux) at the beginning of his career, you’re crazy.
None of these people have played a meaningful football down in 90 days by draft day, some in 120 or more.
IF he is the guy you draft him at 6 and figure out the rest later.
Now, I am not thrilled about Jones and don’t like a lot of what I read or hear about him as a player but I am not an expert. If the Giants love him the only move is to draft him at #6.
You’re never going to win anything without a complete team. So get the best you can at the appropriate time. The margin of difference greatly favors the DL guy over QB this year and next year’s QB over this year’s QB. Either way, you have the same holes to fill..
None of these people have played a meaningful football down in 90 days by draft day, some in 120 or more.
Rising up draft boards = dissonance between Mock drafters(sports writers) and the late leaks of how the NFL views these prospects. It happens every year.
He screams "average" and "safe" to me. Not really seeing the upside. I also didn't watch Duke play on a weekly basis... but I haven't seen a whole lot of analysts suggest 6th overall would be an appropriate spot to draft Jones. If anything, it feels like it'd be a major reach.
There will be better defensive players on the board there. I just don't like or see the value and it's the one pick (aside from maybe Gary) that would bug me.
If they decide he's the guy, I'll root for him and hope they're right. I just don't see it and wouldn't be thrilled.
None of these people have played a meaningful football down in 90 days by draft day, some in 120 or more.
When a person is "rising" close to the draft it is more a product of the media collecting more information from teams about their true opinions on players. We are now hearing that several teams actually like Daniel Jones over Dwayne Haskins.
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that someone can be rising up a draft board on April 16th with the draft 2 weeks away seems like something is broken with the process (if that's legit).
None of these people have played a meaningful football down in 90 days by draft day, some in 120 or more.
Rising up draft boards = dissonance between Mock drafters(sports writers) and the late leaks of how the NFL views these prospects. It happens every year.
Good point, makes sense.
It probably explains the December 2007 mock draft with Andre Woodson in the first round. As we know the Giants took him in the 6th.
Damontre Moore was in many 1st rounds of mocks drafts in February of his draft year, as we know he went in the 3rd.
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that someone can be rising up a draft board on April 16th with the draft 2 weeks away seems like something is broken with the process (if that's legit).
None of these people have played a meaningful football down in 90 days by draft day, some in 120 or more.
When a person is "rising" close to the draft it is more a product of the media collecting more information from teams about their true opinions on players. We are now hearing that several teams actually like Daniel Jones over Dwayne Haskins.
Yeah, makes sense, still seems a little bizarre to me, but teams also leak a lot of false stuff around now.
Anyone who saw Russell Wilson in college knew he had the IT factor and would be a player on the next level. He still fell to the 3rd round because of his height. But here we are years later with him as the highest paid player in the game and former Super Bowl Champion.
Don't give these FO guys too much credit, some of these online guys live and breathe college football know more than the talking heads you watch on TV.