If the Giants are smart, which is obviously another debate in and of itself, they don’t draft any of these QBs in the first round.
If they stupidly do, then Lock is the much better prospect.
If they are galactically stupid, they draft Jones, a third round prospect, because they are stuck in that “Giants Way” mentality, and like that Jones is a Eli, 2.0. It’s a completely fake 2.0 but the Cutcliffe, Manning, etc parts completely fool the dopes at Jints Central...
If they stupidly do, then Lock is the much better prospect.
If they are galactically stupid, they draft Jones, a third round prospect, because they are stuck in that “Giants Way” mentality, and like that Jones is a Eli, 2.0. It’s a completely fake 2.0 but the Cutcliffe, Manning, etc parts completely fool the dopes at Jints Central...
I don't particularly like Jones, but you lose credibility when you call him a 3rd round prospect.
Giants or not he's getting picked in top 20. There's a disconnect on him. Nfl teams like him a lot more then pundits. I've stated for the Giants it's lock or jones from my understanding. That said, this board doesn't take jones seriously, nfl teams do
You get to work in a bash against:
- Eli
- Cutcliffe
- Jints Central
- Archie
- Jones himself
It's like the Perfect Storm for trolls.
He just loves to hear himself bitch. Good lord. He's brutal. According to him Jones is a 3rd round pick. Yet a HOF GM has him ranked as the 2nd QB and ranked 17th overall.
Giants or not he's getting picked in top 20. There's a disconnect on him. Nfl teams like him a lot more then pundits. I've stated for the Giants it's lock or jones from my understanding. That said, this board doesn't take jones seriously, nfl teams do
Dont you mean he is getting picked in the top 20? Or am I misreading your statement?
In last week or so. As for trade.....ill keep quiet on that but still very possible but we'll have to see.
Is it a draft trade or a player trade?
Can't they also trade a player on draft day? I'll let jt speak for himself. But if we look back at what was written regarding a possible trade, jt said that some players should rent not buy.
Now, we can interpret who would have the most trade value and it was commonly assumed that Shep was a possibility heading into the final year of his contract at the time. But with the recent extension, it wouldn't be likely that Shep is traded. Of course, "we didn't sign him to trade him" is the reason that no player is safe from trade.
But if you look at the rest of the roster, Engram could be a target for trade. He has 2 years remaining at cost controlled rookie salary. He is a good receiver and an awful blocker. But what he is good at, he isn't great. If a player is going to be one-dimensional, then they need to be great at what they do especially with a 1st round draft grade. He is a Jerry pick that emphasized a basketball on grass mentality. DG is building a run-first offense. Engram and the 17th pick for a move up for Hockenson?
If they stupidly do, then Lock is the much better prospect.
If they are galactically stupid, they draft Jones, a third round prospect, because they are stuck in that “Giants Way” mentality, and like that Jones is a Eli, 2.0. It’s a completely fake 2.0 but the Cutcliffe, Manning, etc parts completely fool the dopes at Jints Central...
I don't particularly like Jones, but you lose credibility when you call him a 3rd round prospect.
Why? I’ve tried every which way to like Jones as a top prospect. But I see absolutely nothing in his game that is a plus or plus-plus category to warrant a first round investment. So a third round grade seems very reasonable.
the 2019 draft eligible QB's would be in this order (Giants wise):
1) Drew Lock
2) Daniel Jones
3) Kyler Murray
4) Will Grier
Haskins is not a guy I want at all. Just seems like a guy who will be functional- ala David Garrard, Stan Humphries (after knee injury) etc.. Minimal escape ability.
In last week or so. As for trade.....ill keep quiet on that but still very possible but we'll have to see.
Is it a draft trade or a player trade?
Can't they also trade a player on draft day? I'll let jt speak for himself. But if we look back at what was written regarding a possible trade, jt said that some players should rent not buy.
Now, we can interpret who would have the most trade value and it was commonly assumed that Shep was a possibility heading into the final year of his contract at the time. But with the recent extension, it wouldn't be likely that Shep is traded. Of course, "we didn't sign him to trade him" is the reason that no player is safe from trade.
But if you look at the rest of the roster, Engram could be a target for trade. He has 2 years remaining at cost controlled rookie salary. He is a good receiver and an awful blocker. But what he is good at, he isn't great. If a player is going to be one-dimensional, then they need to be great at what they do especially with a 1st round draft grade. He is a Jerry pick that emphasized a basketball on grass mentality. DG is building a run-first offense. Engram and the 17th pick for a move up for Hockenson?
Makes sense.
I was thinking perhaps Jackrabbit to a contender who needs a CB for a day 3 pick. Putting Jenkins on a legit contender keeps him focused and motivated. I’m not sure how he’d perform here if the team is irrelevant come Columbus Day.
You get to work in a bash against:
- Eli
- Cutcliffe
- Jints Central
- Archie
- Jones himself
It's like the Perfect Storm for trolls.
It as if BW is writing a Mad-Libs with only the words you listed above to choose from to fill in the blanks. Being able to use all in a single post is the highlight of his morning crap session.
I will defer to the pros....who merits better draft grades Â
And I am sure some of it is analytical and some subjective....but Jones is not someone I am overly excited about....but then again, neither is Haskins.
You get to work in a bash against:
- Eli
- Cutcliffe
- Jints Central
- Archie
- Jones himself
It's like the Perfect Storm for trolls.
I’ve never bashed Eli in these Jones comparisons. I’ve said Jones can’t touch Eli’s arm talent. And that’s one of the reasons I find the comparisons to Eli absolutely laughable. At least Eli and Ole Miss, with less talent than the other top SEC programs at the time, were very competitive and won big games in the SEC.
And I am sure some of it is analytical and some subjective....but Jones is not someone I am overly excited about....but then again, neither is Haskins.
Very little thinking like this happens when fans are evaluating players. In this very thread there is an example of someone valuing their own evaluation skills over professionals. Not to say they(pros)can't be wrong, but who is more likely to be wrong? Good for you
You've said many times that Eli vouching for Jones, knowing him through the camps and through Cutcliffe is factoring into a decision on drafting him.
I don't like Jones, either, but I've never made any context of that to apply to the Giants. You've already created a narrative where he's drafted and playing in Blue.
I have said from day 1 it's defense at 6. I do think the Giants wanted lock or jones at 17. They will both be gone by then most likely. What that means is the Giants have some interesting decisions to make in the next 8 days. I believe they will take defense at 6 in the end.
You could be right. Who knows? However there are many people in the league who have jones as the second best qb in draft. Many think he's going to be really good. I can tell you the Giants like him ALOT
JT mentioned the Giants were considering trading a player who was close to OBJ and adopted some of his bad traits. Hence the should be renting instead of buying comment. We assumed it was Shepard, could it be Engram? Jus guessing here
and there wasnt the Eli connection, this board would be much more positive on him. just a fact.
for me he is a good player and adds the mobile quality that this offense needs to improve the OL and running game just by having a threat to release the pocket.
If the Giants are smart, which is obviously another debate in and of itself, they don’t draft any of these QBs in the first round.
If they stupidly do, then Lock is the much better prospect.
If they are galactically stupid, they draft Jones, a third round prospect, because they are stuck in that “Giants Way” mentality, and like that Jones is a Eli, 2.0. It’s a completely fake 2.0 but the Cutcliffe, Manning, etc parts completely fool the dopes at Jints Central...
Whew!! I was getting a little worried your tagline wouldn't make it into the post. :)
I have no idea what your talking about😂😂😂
No disrespect intended btw I appreciate the contributions you, JonC, hitdog, and others make, but I also take it with a grain of salt. I believe it more when it supports my own POV and less when it doesn't.
You've said many times that Eli vouching for Jones, knowing him through the camps and through Cutcliffe is factoring into a decision on drafting him.
I don't like Jones, either, but I've never made any context of that to apply to the Giants. You've already created a narrative where he's drafted and playing in Blue.
That’s not bashing the Eli. That’s bashing Jints Central.
and there wasnt the Eli connection, this board would be much more positive on him. just a fact.
for me he is a good player and adds the mobile quality that this offense needs to improve the OL and running game just by having a threat to release the pocket.
I would be fine with Jones at 17
I totally agree. I happen to like Jones a lot. He was a player that definitely elevated his team at Duke. I get people not liking this guy, or liking some other guy, it’s all just a guess. However, the hate for the guy is just mob psychology at this point.
You could be right. Who knows? However there are many people in the league who have jones as the second best qb in draft. Many think he's going to be really good. I can tell you the Giants like him ALOT
Not a fan of Jones (or any of these QB’s to be honest) at all. Let someone else draft Jones and save the NYG from themselves. The fact that they like him as much as you claim, to me, is concerning. Better options were available last year and, by many accounts, the options next year should be better.
and there wasnt the Eli connection, this board would be much more positive on him. just a fact.
for me he is a good player and adds the mobile quality that this offense needs to improve the OL and running game just by having a threat to release the pocket.
I would be fine with Jones at 17
If Jones played better and demonstrated higher level physical skills than he would be viewed more favorably.
The fact the Giants are intrigued with Jones because of those peripheral items - like attending the Manning’s camp - is very disconcerting.
You get to work in a bash against:
- Eli
- Cutcliffe
- Jints Central
- Archie
- Jones himself
It's like the Perfect Storm for trolls.
He just loves to hear himself bitch. Good lord. He's brutal. According to him Jones is a 3rd round pick. Yet a HOF GM has him ranked as the 2nd QB and ranked 17th overall.
Agreed. Always talks like he's smarter than everyone else and just comes off like an arrogant, smug asshole.
and there wasnt the Eli connection, this board would be much more positive on him. just a fact.
for me he is a good player and adds the mobile quality that this offense needs to improve the OL and running game just by having a threat to release the pocket.
I would be fine with Jones at 17
I would add that if Daniel Jones was a Duke QB who wore number 17 we would also feel much better about him. A few of us from the mid 90's have some PTSD from Dave Brown.
I have said from day 1 it's defense at 6. I do think the Giants wanted lock or jones at 17. They will both be gone by then most likely. What that means is the Giants have some interesting decisions to make in the next 8 days. I believe they will take defense at 6 in the end.
Thanks again jt as always. And there does seem to be a groundswell for Jones. As we've said, I don't really like him and I don't want him on the Giants, but if the Giants are convinced he's going in the top 20, I've thought since the Odell trade that #17 was always a pivot point to move up to get a guy they like. They have all those extra picks to package to do so.
And I'm a million % on board with going with the best defensive player available at 6. There is nothing I hate more than watching a Giants team that has no defense. It's wrong. It's not the Giants. The only thing that was fun about 2016 was watching the defense gel late and stop teams to win games towards the end of the season. I think Gettleman or Shurmur mentioned the Giants need to "finish". That means defense. I am hoping to come out of this draft with no less than 2 starters and up to 4/5 contributors on defense as rookies. And to me that #6 pick has to be an impact defender.
One of his posts he mentioned the possibility of a trade. Didn't say who for who just a possibility.
One of his posts he mentioned the possibility of a trade. Didn't say who for who just a possibility.
Is it a draft trade or a player trade?
LOL. Come on folks.
LOL. Come on folks.
yeah no shit
Let me help you here.
If the Giants are smart, which is obviously another debate in and of itself, they don’t draft any of these QBs in the first round.
If they stupidly do, then Lock is the much better prospect.
If they are galactically stupid, they draft Jones, a third round prospect, because they are stuck in that “Giants Way” mentality, and like that Jones is a Eli, 2.0. It’s a completely fake 2.0 but the Cutcliffe, Manning, etc parts completely fool the dopes at Jints Central...
If they stupidly do, then Lock is the much better prospect.
If they are galactically stupid, they draft Jones, a third round prospect, because they are stuck in that “Giants Way” mentality, and like that Jones is a Eli, 2.0. It’s a completely fake 2.0 but the Cutcliffe, Manning, etc parts completely fool the dopes at Jints Central...
I don't particularly like Jones, but you lose credibility when you call him a 3rd round prospect.
Jones might rocket up his board if Giants were completely against him.
You get to work in a bash against:
- Eli
- Cutcliffe
- Jints Central
- Archie
- Jones himself
It's like the Perfect Storm for trolls.
You get to work in a bash against:
- Eli
- Cutcliffe
- Jints Central
- Archie
- Jones himself
It's like the Perfect Storm for trolls.
He just loves to hear himself bitch. Good lord. He's brutal. According to him Jones is a 3rd round pick. Yet a HOF GM has him ranked as the 2nd QB and ranked 17th overall.
Dont you mean he is getting picked in the top 20? Or am I misreading your statement?
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In last week or so. As for trade.....ill keep quiet on that but still very possible but we'll have to see.
Is it a draft trade or a player trade?
Can't they also trade a player on draft day? I'll let jt speak for himself. But if we look back at what was written regarding a possible trade, jt said that some players should rent not buy.
Now, we can interpret who would have the most trade value and it was commonly assumed that Shep was a possibility heading into the final year of his contract at the time. But with the recent extension, it wouldn't be likely that Shep is traded. Of course, "we didn't sign him to trade him" is the reason that no player is safe from trade.
But if you look at the rest of the roster, Engram could be a target for trade. He has 2 years remaining at cost controlled rookie salary. He is a good receiver and an awful blocker. But what he is good at, he isn't great. If a player is going to be one-dimensional, then they need to be great at what they do especially with a 1st round draft grade. He is a Jerry pick that emphasized a basketball on grass mentality. DG is building a run-first offense. Engram and the 17th pick for a move up for Hockenson?
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If they stupidly do, then Lock is the much better prospect.
If they are galactically stupid, they draft Jones, a third round prospect, because they are stuck in that “Giants Way” mentality, and like that Jones is a Eli, 2.0. It’s a completely fake 2.0 but the Cutcliffe, Manning, etc parts completely fool the dopes at Jints Central...
I don't particularly like Jones, but you lose credibility when you call him a 3rd round prospect.
Why? I’ve tried every which way to like Jones as a top prospect. But I see absolutely nothing in his game that is a plus or plus-plus category to warrant a first round investment. So a third round grade seems very reasonable.
1) Drew Lock
2) Daniel Jones
3) Kyler Murray
4) Will Grier
Haskins is not a guy I want at all. Just seems like a guy who will be functional- ala David Garrard, Stan Humphries (after knee injury) etc.. Minimal escape ability.
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In last week or so. As for trade.....ill keep quiet on that but still very possible but we'll have to see.
Is it a draft trade or a player trade?
Can't they also trade a player on draft day? I'll let jt speak for himself. But if we look back at what was written regarding a possible trade, jt said that some players should rent not buy.
Now, we can interpret who would have the most trade value and it was commonly assumed that Shep was a possibility heading into the final year of his contract at the time. But with the recent extension, it wouldn't be likely that Shep is traded. Of course, "we didn't sign him to trade him" is the reason that no player is safe from trade.
But if you look at the rest of the roster, Engram could be a target for trade. He has 2 years remaining at cost controlled rookie salary. He is a good receiver and an awful blocker. But what he is good at, he isn't great. If a player is going to be one-dimensional, then they need to be great at what they do especially with a 1st round draft grade. He is a Jerry pick that emphasized a basketball on grass mentality. DG is building a run-first offense. Engram and the 17th pick for a move up for Hockenson?
Makes sense.
I was thinking perhaps Jackrabbit to a contender who needs a CB for a day 3 pick. Putting Jenkins on a legit contender keeps him focused and motivated. I’m not sure how he’d perform here if the team is irrelevant come Columbus Day.
You get to work in a bash against:
- Eli
- Cutcliffe
- Jints Central
- Archie
- Jones himself
It's like the Perfect Storm for trolls.
It as if BW is writing a Mad-Libs with only the words you listed above to choose from to fill in the blanks. Being able to use all in a single post is the highlight of his morning crap session.
jt do you think either Lock or Jones is the pick at 6? Thanks!
You get to work in a bash against:
- Eli
- Cutcliffe
- Jints Central
- Archie
- Jones himself
It's like the Perfect Storm for trolls.
I’ve never bashed Eli in these Jones comparisons. I’ve said Jones can’t touch Eli’s arm talent. And that’s one of the reasons I find the comparisons to Eli absolutely laughable. At least Eli and Ole Miss, with less talent than the other top SEC programs at the time, were very competitive and won big games in the SEC.
Very little thinking like this happens when fans are evaluating players. In this very thread there is an example of someone valuing their own evaluation skills over professionals. Not to say they(pros)can't be wrong, but who is more likely to be wrong? Good for you
You've said many times that Eli vouching for Jones, knowing him through the camps and through Cutcliffe is factoring into a decision on drafting him.
I don't like Jones, either, but I've never made any context of that to apply to the Giants. You've already created a narrative where he's drafted and playing in Blue.
I think it’s more mixed than you suggest, but, yes, there does seem to be some real first round interest in Jones.
So if you like a taller version of Andy Dalton, Jones is your guy.
for me he is a good player and adds the mobile quality that this offense needs to improve the OL and running game just by having a threat to release the pocket.
I would be fine with Jones at 17
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Do you know how they rate lock vs Jones
Let me help you here.
If the Giants are smart, which is obviously another debate in and of itself, they don’t draft any of these QBs in the first round.
If they stupidly do, then Lock is the much better prospect.
If they are galactically stupid, they draft Jones, a third round prospect, because they are stuck in that “Giants Way” mentality, and like that Jones is a Eli, 2.0. It’s a completely fake 2.0 but the Cutcliffe, Manning, etc parts completely fool the dopes at Jints Central...
Whew!! I was getting a little worried your tagline wouldn't make it into the post. :)
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I’ve never bashed Eli in these Jones comparisons
You've said many times that Eli vouching for Jones, knowing him through the camps and through Cutcliffe is factoring into a decision on drafting him.
I don't like Jones, either, but I've never made any context of that to apply to the Giants. You've already created a narrative where he's drafted and playing in Blue.
That’s not bashing the Eli. That’s bashing Jints Central.
for me he is a good player and adds the mobile quality that this offense needs to improve the OL and running game just by having a threat to release the pocket.
I would be fine with Jones at 17
I totally agree. I happen to like Jones a lot. He was a player that definitely elevated his team at Duke. I get people not liking this guy, or liking some other guy, it’s all just a guess. However, the hate for the guy is just mob psychology at this point.
Not a fan of Jones (or any of these QB’s to be honest) at all. Let someone else draft Jones and save the NYG from themselves. The fact that they like him as much as you claim, to me, is concerning. Better options were available last year and, by many accounts, the options next year should be better.
Not sure how to read this post. General statement or info in the tea leaves?
Are you at liberty to say you’ve heard similar rumblings or no? No details is understandable
for me he is a good player and adds the mobile quality that this offense needs to improve the OL and running game just by having a threat to release the pocket.
I would be fine with Jones at 17
If Jones played better and demonstrated higher level physical skills than he would be viewed more favorably.
The fact the Giants are intrigued with Jones because of those peripheral items - like attending the Manning’s camp - is very disconcerting.
If Jones is supposedly liked by many teams, are they all fixated on Jones attending the Manning's camp?
You continue to just fabricate shit out of thin air.
And
Its his job...to make Jones more valuable.
So, that info must be taken with a grain of salt.
Seems odd to me....that 4 QBs go
Arizona Murray
Denver Lock
Cincinnati Haskins
But who is targeting Jones?
Giants Jones
Washington Rosin
What other team?
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guy if you are a poster like bw.
You get to work in a bash against:
- Eli
- Cutcliffe
- Jints Central
- Archie
- Jones himself
It's like the Perfect Storm for trolls.
He just loves to hear himself bitch. Good lord. He's brutal. According to him Jones is a 3rd round pick. Yet a HOF GM has him ranked as the 2nd QB and ranked 17th overall.
Agreed. Always talks like he's smarter than everyone else and just comes off like an arrogant, smug asshole.
for me he is a good player and adds the mobile quality that this offense needs to improve the OL and running game just by having a threat to release the pocket.
I would be fine with Jones at 17
I would add that if Daniel Jones was a Duke QB who wore number 17 we would also feel much better about him. A few of us from the mid 90's have some PTSD from Dave Brown.
Thanks again jt as always. And there does seem to be a groundswell for Jones. As we've said, I don't really like him and I don't want him on the Giants, but if the Giants are convinced he's going in the top 20, I've thought since the Odell trade that #17 was always a pivot point to move up to get a guy they like. They have all those extra picks to package to do so.
And I'm a million % on board with going with the best defensive player available at 6. There is nothing I hate more than watching a Giants team that has no defense. It's wrong. It's not the Giants. The only thing that was fun about 2016 was watching the defense gel late and stop teams to win games towards the end of the season. I think Gettleman or Shurmur mentioned the Giants need to "finish". That means defense. I am hoping to come out of this draft with no less than 2 starters and up to 4/5 contributors on defense as rookies. And to me that #6 pick has to be an impact defender.