I have said from day 1 it's defense at 6. I do think the Giants wanted lock or jones at 17. They will both be gone by then most likely. What that means is the Giants have some interesting decisions to make in the next 8 days. I believe they will take defense at 6 in the end.
This is solid asshattery. It's not the waiting at the airport and seeing someone get off the plane. But gives insight into their line of thinking.
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and there wasnt the Eli connection, this board would be much more positive on him. just a fact.
for me he is a good player and adds the mobile quality that this offense needs to improve the OL and running game just by having a threat to release the pocket.
I would be fine with Jones at 17
If Jones played better and demonstrated higher level physical skills than he would be viewed more favorably.
The fact the Giants are intrigued with Jones because of those peripheral items - like attending the Manning’s camp - is very disconcerting.
So you assume the Giants view his physical skills exactly as you do so therefor they are just "intrigued" enough with his Manning connection to pull the trigger regardless of the fact that both you and the Giants view him in lockstep regarding his inferior physical QB traits? Are you a scout for the Giants?
and there wasnt the Eli connection, this board would be much more positive on him. just a fact.
for me he is a good player and adds the mobile quality that this offense needs to improve the OL and running game just by having a threat to release the pocket.
I would be fine with Jones at 17
If Jones played better and demonstrated higher level physical skills than he would be viewed more favorably.
The fact the Giants are intrigued with Jones because of those peripheral items - like attending the Manning’s camp - is very disconcerting.
You do realize most of these guys attend the Manning passing academy right?
From just this draft class Lock, Kyle Shurmur, McSorley, Ryan Finley, Tyree Jackson, Stidham, Minshew, Easton Stick & more attended the event.
to compare media rankings of Jones to some unspecified experts in the NFL. Both the media (many of whom rely on current and former NFL talent evaluators) and NFL experts are wrong far more than they are right in evaluating talent. Giants need a young QB and have for a few years. Everyone agrees that the 2019 class is weaker than 2018 and 2020. It's a shame that the Giants are in this position, but arguing whether a flawed Jones is better than a flawed Haskins or Lock is what it has come down to and ultimately the odds are that the Giants will be "reaching" no matter who they choose.
If they stupidly do, then Lock is the much better prospect.
If they are galactically stupid, they draft Jones, a third round prospect, because they are stuck in that “Giants Way” mentality, and like that Jones is a Eli, 2.0. It’s a completely fake 2.0 but the Cutcliffe, Manning, etc parts completely fool the dopes at Jints Central...
I don't particularly like Jones, but you lose credibility when you call him a 3rd round prospect.
Why? I’ve tried every which way to like Jones as a top prospect. But I see absolutely nothing in his game that is a plus or plus-plus category to warrant a first round investment. So a third round grade seems very reasonable.
I disagree. I think the only thing NOT plus on him is his arm. Athleticism, decision making, going through progrssions, accuracy on short to intermediate throws are all plus IMO. Even arm strength on short to intermediate throws is close to plus. The only thing not plus is on deep balls.
to compare media rankings of Jones to some unspecified experts in the NFL. Both the media (many of whom rely on current and former NFL talent evaluators) and NFL experts are wrong far more than they are right in evaluating talent. Giants need a young QB and have for a few years. Everyone agrees that the 2019 class is weaker than 2018 and 2020. It's a shame that the Giants are in this position, but arguing whether a flawed Jones is better than a flawed Haskins or Lock is what it has come down to and ultimately the odds are that the Giants will be "reaching" no matter who they choose.
Every QB has flaws. Hell basically every prospect does. Darnold is a turnover machine. Josh Allen can't hit the ocean from a boat. Josh Rosen has attitude and injury issues. It's impossible to say last year was a stronger class then this year.
Most people said the 2017 class was weak. Yet Trubisky went 11-3 last year. Mahomes was the best QB in the NFL and Deshaun Watson went 11-5 with 26 TDs and 9 INTs.
I have said from day 1 it's defense at 6. I do think the Giants wanted lock or jones at 17. They will both be gone by then most likely. What that means is the Giants have some interesting decisions to make in the next 8 days. I believe they will take defense at 6 in the end.
First off, I will say I love JT's contributions to the board. But I am going to have to disagree with this assessment. If you like a QB as your franchise QB, you don't get cute. You take him at 6. Period. I don't want a guy they didn't like enough to take at 6.
The Giants are not taking a QB at 6 but they are interested in trading up from 17 to get one but it will most likely be Jones as Lock will force them to trade up inside the top 10.
I am not worried about Cincy or Miami taking Jones but I think Washington will take him if he is on the board unless they turn their sights back on Rosen. The Giants would have to trade up to 13 or 14 to get Jones. My buddy is a huge Phins fan and he has continues to say that Miami is 100% in on Tua next year and will not take one this year even if Lock, Haskins, and Jones fall to their pick. He also said that there are rumors that Miami wants to trade down in order to accumulate more picks in 2020 in case they need to move up for Tua.
I have said from day 1 it's defense at 6. I do think the Giants wanted lock or jones at 17. They will both be gone by then most likely. What that means is the Giants have some interesting decisions to make in the next 8 days. I believe they will take defense at 6 in the end.
First off, I will say I love JT's contributions to the board. But I am going to have to disagree with this assessment. If you like a QB as your franchise QB, you don't get cute. You take him at 6. Period. I don't want a guy they didn't like enough to take at 6.
I don't think they take a QB this year. I think they're going to build the team and then go all in on Herbert next year who is the guy they supposedly loved this year.
I have said from day 1 it's defense at 6. I do think the Giants wanted lock or jones at 17. They will both be gone by then most likely. What that means is the Giants have some interesting decisions to make in the next 8 days. I believe they will take defense at 6 in the end.
First off, I will say I love JT's contributions to the board. But I am going to have to disagree with this assessment. If you like a QB as your franchise QB, you don't get cute. You take him at 6. Period. I don't want a guy they didn't like enough to take at 6.
I don't think they take a QB this year. I think they're going to build the team and then go all in on Herbert next year who is the guy they supposedly loved this year.
I don't think they take a QB this year. I think they're going to build the team and then go all in on Herbert next year who is the guy they supposedly loved this year.
Then they should try like hell to get another 1st rounder during this draft for 2020.
I don't think they take a QB this year. I think they're going to build the team and then go all in on Herbert next year who is the guy they supposedly loved this year.
Then they should try like hell to get another 1st rounder during this draft for 2020.
This is why I loved the NE trading for 17 rumor. The offer was supposedly NE's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to move up to 17 for a TE. I would prefer to get NE's 2020 1st instead of the 32nd pick this year.
I don't think they take a QB this year. I think they're going to build the team and then go all in on Herbert next year who is the guy they supposedly loved this year.
Then they should try like hell to get another 1st rounder during this draft for 2020.
This is why I loved the NE trading for 17 rumor. The offer was supposedly NE's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to move up to 17 for a TE. I would prefer to get NE's 2020 1st instead of the 32nd pick this year.
I would absolutely love something like this. I feel like NYG have put off the 'next QB' thing for long enough that that now would be a silly time to force it with the stacked 2020 class staring them in the face.
At this point, I'd rather they do their 'we can win this year' thing (as much as I disagree with it) and make next year's draft all about getting one of the QBs.
And as for the rest...we all know the draft is a crapshoot. We all know that the guys being PAID as GMs, scouts, VPs of Football Ops, know it's a crapshoot. No one on the Giants' staff is enamored with Lock because he want to a passing camp or not. If they pick Lock, it's because they believe it's in the best interest of the franchise. And for better or worse, they're the ones paid to make that determination. We're all fans for a reason.
Just checking in. Have you heard any rumblings as of late?
Defense at #6 is all I've got right now. It sounds like they like Lock or Jones at #17. I'm curious if they would spend to trade up to the Bills spot at #9 for a QB.
Assuming the following - Giants go D at 6 and are unable to trade up - watching Lock and Jones go ahead of them at 17.
In that scenario - is there any interest in Haskins at 17? Is he basically off their board or does he just have a second (or later) round grade?
I appreciate hearing that they favor Lock & Jones but would love to hear where they think Haskins makes sense (if at all).
Thanks!
Clearly they have interest in Haskins regardless of what was said here. They had an Army to his pro day and had him in just yesterday for a top 30 visit.
and much more about the opportunity cost of using one of their top picks on him when there is excellent talent to be had in the top twenty of this draft. If Gettleman plays his cards right, he should be able to get two premier defenders in the first round that radically enhance the capability and speed of Bettcher's defense... Perhaps two of Allen, White, Sweat, Bush, Burns, Ferrell... In this context, taking any quarterback with either of these picks is extremely expensive in terms of the player they would be handing to one of their competitors...
The Giants need so much help everywhere on this team. They simply must get immediate starters with their first three picks and build quality depth with the rest of this draft. Then they will finally be at the starting line to go full throttle on quarterback succession...
The Browns have given us a beautiful thirty year road map of how not to do quarterback succession... Let's hope that the Giants have heeded the grueling lessons of their futility and make sensible choices starting next week. Reliving the folly of the Browns' mistakes over the next decade will make the past seven years seem like a blissful dream...
If they stupidly do, then Lock is the much better prospect.
If they are galactically stupid, they draft Jones, a third round prospect, because they are stuck in that “Giants Way” mentality, and like that Jones is a Eli, 2.0. It’s a completely fake 2.0 but the Cutcliffe, Manning, etc parts completely fool the dopes at Jints Central...
I don't particularly like Jones, but you lose credibility when you call him a 3rd round prospect.
Why? I’ve tried every which way to like Jones as a top prospect. But I see absolutely nothing in his game that is a plus or plus-plus category to warrant a first round investment. So a third round grade seems very reasonable.
I disagree. I think the only thing NOT plus on him is his arm. Athleticism, decision making, going through progrssions, accuracy on short to intermediate throws are all plus IMO. Even arm strength on short to intermediate throws is close to plus. The only thing not plus is on deep balls.
Even that is incorrect. He has a strong arm. Every scouting report says that short to intermediate his arm is strong, but he puts too much air under the ball on deep ones. So if his arm is strong on intermediate throws how is it not strong all over the field? This sounds like poor technique on deep balls, not arm strength. Your arm strength does not change on the length of the throw. Note the reports do not say strong "enough" on short and intermediate - they say strong.
I do not believe Haskins gets past Cincinnati.....
Right, but if the rumors are true that the NFL likes Jones better than the internet does, maybe they go with Jones or Lock and the guy who slips to 17 is Haskins.
I'm trying to figure out in that particular scenario, what do the asshats hear - would there be interest in Haskins @ 17 or do they think he's not really the future for them at QB?
Does not have a NFL caliber arm and his deep passes have too much air, he will be picked off deep by NFL secondaries. They all have elite speed, unlike college. If the NFL is in love with Jones it is fools gold and they are going to FORCE the pick.
Assuming the following - Giants go D at 6 and are unable to trade up - watching Lock and Jones go ahead of them at 17.
In that scenario - is there any interest in Haskins at 17? Is he basically off their board or does he just have a second (or later) round grade?
I appreciate hearing that they favor Lock & Jones but would love to hear where they think Haskins makes sense (if at all).
Thanks!
Clearly they have interest in Haskins regardless of what was said here. They had an Army to his pro day and had him in just yesterday for a top 30 visit.
Just checking in. Have you heard any rumblings as of late?
Defense at #6 is all I've got right now. It sounds like they like Lock or Jones at #17. I'm curious if they would spend to trade up to the Bills spot at #9 for a QB.
Question for Jon or jt. Whose their top QB? Lock or Jones? So if the Bills are on the clock. Lock, Jones & Haskins are available and they decide to trade up. Who do they take?
Thanks JonC. I agree with crooza guy that there is obviously some level of interest or they wouldn't be scouting him so hard, but I find it very curious that we aren't hearing ANYTHING about him through our asshats, meaning we're not hearing that they don't like him either, just that they have Lock/Jones ahead of him and that he's not a target at 6.
Often we hear a guy isn't liked, but not now. Makes me wonder why.
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I'm not sure that he's the ideal guy in this defense.
Very well could be, but what value does he really hold? He has a cheap rookie contract and at the very least offers a solid rotation. What team would give anything of value for him?
Assuming the following - Giants go D at 6 and are unable to trade up - watching Lock and Jones go ahead of them at 17.
In that scenario - is there any interest in Haskins at 17? Is he basically off their board or does he just have a second (or later) round grade?
I appreciate hearing that they favor Lock & Jones but would love to hear where they think Haskins makes sense (if at all).
Thanks!
Clearly they have interest in Haskins regardless of what was said here. They had an Army to his pro day and had him in just yesterday for a top 30 visit.
Totally agree that they have interest in Haskins and I think Haskins is having a 2 day visit with us also so if they were not interested why would he be here for 2 days ?
Could he be brilliant enough to be feeding certain asshats with information intended to deflect his interest in Haskins at #6?
It’s common knowledge that some media regularly read Erics bbi and knowing how many media just regurgitate what they hear or read from “sources “.
It just seems weird that Haskins lack of foot speed or agility or whatever you want to call it would cause him to slide. Teams were impressed with his football IQ. Kid has a spotless background, great arm, leadership ability etc etc..... I’m not buying this slide for a minute
Could he be brilliant enough to be feeding certain asshats with information intended to deflect his interest in Haskins at #6?
It’s common knowledge that some media regularly read Erics bbi and knowing how many media just regurgitate what they hear or read from “sources “.
It just seems weird that Haskins lack of foot speed or agility or whatever you want to call it would cause him to slide. Teams were impressed with his football IQ. Kid has a spotless background, great arm, leadership ability etc etc..... I’m not buying this slide for a minute
The biggest myth is a guy "falling"... Just because the media and others say a guy is at this level, doesn't mean other teams feel that way. PLus, teams slot guys by position and by selection spot, against other players for that same selection spot. Not every player fits every scheme, regardless of perceived talent.
is this years Rosen. Last year two insiders said the same thing. Both hadn't heard a peep about the Giants having any interest in Rosen. Now it is confirmed that they aren't interested in him unless it is at an extreme discount. This year they haven't heard anything about Haskins which clearly suggests that they don't like.
I'd imagine this means there are at least 5 defensive players in this draft they love that they know they will only have a shot at with the 6th pick (Q, Bosa, Allen, Oliver, ?). I'd expect the 5th person on that list to be an edge just due to positional value of a pass rusher - so I'd guess either Sweat or Burns. There are valid arguments that either one of them has more upside than Josh Allen, though less well rounded.
The comparison to the 2017 QB class is a really good observation. Mahomes was a guy with a ton of talent, who started a lot of games, but viewed as needing time to adapt to the pro game - just like Lock. Watson had also started a lot of games and had a lot questions about his raw ability, but was a gamer. I see some similarities with Jones there, although at Clemson obviously Watson had the chance to prove himself on the big stage. I'd be happy with either QB if Shurmur thinks they fit what he wants to do.
I think we will see the Giants end up with 1 of those top 4 defensive players at #6 and then trade up to #12 or #13 to get either Lock or Jones. I think Denver takes either Haskins or Lock, probably with a trade up. Cincy, GB, and Miami could all be in the QB market, but I expect at least 1 of them is willing to listen to a trade down offer - and most likely it will be Miami. Last year Arizona had to trade #79 and #151 to move from #15 to #10. The Bills traded #22 and #65 for #16. So the price of moving up will likely be higher than #95 but not as high as #37 or next year's 1. I do wonder if they have to put 1 of those assets on the table while getting a lower 2nd/3rd back. Or perhaps give up next year's 2nd rounder.
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and there wasnt the Eli connection, this board would be much more positive on him. just a fact.
for me he is a good player and adds the mobile quality that this offense needs to improve the OL and running game just by having a threat to release the pocket.
I would be fine with Jones at 17
If Jones played better and demonstrated higher level physical skills than he would be viewed more favorably.
The fact the Giants are intrigued with Jones because of those peripheral items - like attending the Manning’s camp - is very disconcerting.
So you assume the Giants view his physical skills exactly as you do so therefor they are just "intrigued" enough with his Manning connection to pull the trigger regardless of the fact that both you and the Giants view him in lockstep regarding his inferior physical QB traits? Are you a scout for the Giants?
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until they're on the clock, for many obvious reasons. This is something you should be ok waiting for.
Not sure how to read this post. General statement or info in the tea leaves?
Are you at liberty to say you’ve heard similar rumblings or no? No details is understandable
General statement, this info isn't likely to hit the Internet.
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and there wasnt the Eli connection, this board would be much more positive on him. just a fact.
for me he is a good player and adds the mobile quality that this offense needs to improve the OL and running game just by having a threat to release the pocket.
I would be fine with Jones at 17
If Jones played better and demonstrated higher level physical skills than he would be viewed more favorably.
The fact the Giants are intrigued with Jones because of those peripheral items - like attending the Manning’s camp - is very disconcerting.
You do realize most of these guys attend the Manning passing academy right?
From just this draft class Lock, Kyle Shurmur, McSorley, Ryan Finley, Tyree Jackson, Stidham, Minshew, Easton Stick & more attended the event.
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until they're on the clock, for many obvious reasons. This is something you should be ok waiting for.
Not sure how to read this post. General statement or info in the tea leaves?
Are you at liberty to say you’ve heard similar rumblings or no? No details is understandable
General statement, this info isn't likely to hit the Internet.
Thank you
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If they stupidly do, then Lock is the much better prospect.
If they are galactically stupid, they draft Jones, a third round prospect, because they are stuck in that “Giants Way” mentality, and like that Jones is a Eli, 2.0. It’s a completely fake 2.0 but the Cutcliffe, Manning, etc parts completely fool the dopes at Jints Central...
I don't particularly like Jones, but you lose credibility when you call him a 3rd round prospect.
Why? I’ve tried every which way to like Jones as a top prospect. But I see absolutely nothing in his game that is a plus or plus-plus category to warrant a first round investment. So a third round grade seems very reasonable.
I disagree. I think the only thing NOT plus on him is his arm. Athleticism, decision making, going through progrssions, accuracy on short to intermediate throws are all plus IMO. Even arm strength on short to intermediate throws is close to plus. The only thing not plus is on deep balls.
Every QB has flaws. Hell basically every prospect does. Darnold is a turnover machine. Josh Allen can't hit the ocean from a boat. Josh Rosen has attitude and injury issues. It's impossible to say last year was a stronger class then this year.
Most people said the 2017 class was weak. Yet Trubisky went 11-3 last year. Mahomes was the best QB in the NFL and Deshaun Watson went 11-5 with 26 TDs and 9 INTs.
First off, I will say I love JT's contributions to the board. But I am going to have to disagree with this assessment. If you like a QB as your franchise QB, you don't get cute. You take him at 6. Period. I don't want a guy they didn't like enough to take at 6.
I am not worried about Cincy or Miami taking Jones but I think Washington will take him if he is on the board unless they turn their sights back on Rosen. The Giants would have to trade up to 13 or 14 to get Jones. My buddy is a huge Phins fan and he has continues to say that Miami is 100% in on Tua next year and will not take one this year even if Lock, Haskins, and Jones fall to their pick. He also said that there are rumors that Miami wants to trade down in order to accumulate more picks in 2020 in case they need to move up for Tua.
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I have said from day 1 it's defense at 6. I do think the Giants wanted lock or jones at 17. They will both be gone by then most likely. What that means is the Giants have some interesting decisions to make in the next 8 days. I believe they will take defense at 6 in the end.
First off, I will say I love JT's contributions to the board. But I am going to have to disagree with this assessment. If you like a QB as your franchise QB, you don't get cute. You take him at 6. Period. I don't want a guy they didn't like enough to take at 6.
I don't think they take a QB this year. I think they're going to build the team and then go all in on Herbert next year who is the guy they supposedly loved this year.
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I have said from day 1 it's defense at 6. I do think the Giants wanted lock or jones at 17. They will both be gone by then most likely. What that means is the Giants have some interesting decisions to make in the next 8 days. I believe they will take defense at 6 in the end.
First off, I will say I love JT's contributions to the board. But I am going to have to disagree with this assessment. If you like a QB as your franchise QB, you don't get cute. You take him at 6. Period. I don't want a guy they didn't like enough to take at 6.
I don't think they take a QB this year. I think they're going to build the team and then go all in on Herbert next year who is the guy they supposedly loved this year.
Apparently they also have a hard on for Fromm.
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I don't think they take a QB this year. I think they're going to build the team and then go all in on Herbert next year who is the guy they supposedly loved this year.
Then they should try like hell to get another 1st rounder during this draft for 2020.
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I don't think they take a QB this year. I think they're going to build the team and then go all in on Herbert next year who is the guy they supposedly loved this year.
Then they should try like hell to get another 1st rounder during this draft for 2020.
This is why I loved the NE trading for 17 rumor. The offer was supposedly NE's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to move up to 17 for a TE. I would prefer to get NE's 2020 1st instead of the 32nd pick this year.
Thanks jt, I know a lot can change in the time leading up to the draft but I appreciate you sharing.
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I don't think they take a QB this year. I think they're going to build the team and then go all in on Herbert next year who is the guy they supposedly loved this year.
Then they should try like hell to get another 1st rounder during this draft for 2020.
This is why I loved the NE trading for 17 rumor. The offer was supposedly NE's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to move up to 17 for a TE. I would prefer to get NE's 2020 1st instead of the 32nd pick this year.
I would absolutely love something like this. I feel like NYG have put off the 'next QB' thing for long enough that that now would be a silly time to force it with the stacked 2020 class staring them in the face.
At this point, I'd rather they do their 'we can win this year' thing (as much as I disagree with it) and make next year's draft all about getting one of the QBs.
Defense at #6 is all I've got right now. It sounds like they like Lock or Jones at #17. I'm curious if they would spend to trade up to the Bills spot at #9 for a QB.
In that scenario - is there any interest in Haskins at 17? Is he basically off their board or does he just have a second (or later) round grade?
I appreciate hearing that they favor Lock & Jones but would love to hear where they think Haskins makes sense (if at all).
Thanks!
In that scenario - is there any interest in Haskins at 17? Is he basically off their board or does he just have a second (or later) round grade?
I appreciate hearing that they favor Lock & Jones but would love to hear where they think Haskins makes sense (if at all).
Thanks!
Clearly they have interest in Haskins regardless of what was said here. They had an Army to his pro day and had him in just yesterday for a top 30 visit.
The Giants need so much help everywhere on this team. They simply must get immediate starters with their first three picks and build quality depth with the rest of this draft. Then they will finally be at the starting line to go full throttle on quarterback succession...
The Browns have given us a beautiful thirty year road map of how not to do quarterback succession... Let's hope that the Giants have heeded the grueling lessons of their futility and make sensible choices starting next week. Reliving the folly of the Browns' mistakes over the next decade will make the past seven years seem like a blissful dream...
So, no Haskins at 6 jt, and the preference is for Lock or Jones at 17, but if they aren't available and Haskins is - could he be in play?
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If they stupidly do, then Lock is the much better prospect.
If they are galactically stupid, they draft Jones, a third round prospect, because they are stuck in that “Giants Way” mentality, and like that Jones is a Eli, 2.0. It’s a completely fake 2.0 but the Cutcliffe, Manning, etc parts completely fool the dopes at Jints Central...
I don't particularly like Jones, but you lose credibility when you call him a 3rd round prospect.
Why? I’ve tried every which way to like Jones as a top prospect. But I see absolutely nothing in his game that is a plus or plus-plus category to warrant a first round investment. So a third round grade seems very reasonable.
I disagree. I think the only thing NOT plus on him is his arm. Athleticism, decision making, going through progrssions, accuracy on short to intermediate throws are all plus IMO. Even arm strength on short to intermediate throws is close to plus. The only thing not plus is on deep balls.
Even that is incorrect. He has a strong arm. Every scouting report says that short to intermediate his arm is strong, but he puts too much air under the ball on deep ones. So if his arm is strong on intermediate throws how is it not strong all over the field? This sounds like poor technique on deep balls, not arm strength. Your arm strength does not change on the length of the throw. Note the reports do not say strong "enough" on short and intermediate - they say strong.
Right, but if the rumors are true that the NFL likes Jones better than the internet does, maybe they go with Jones or Lock and the guy who slips to 17 is Haskins.
I'm trying to figure out in that particular scenario, what do the asshats hear - would there be interest in Haskins @ 17 or do they think he's not really the future for them at QB?
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Assuming the following - Giants go D at 6 and are unable to trade up - watching Lock and Jones go ahead of them at 17.
In that scenario - is there any interest in Haskins at 17? Is he basically off their board or does he just have a second (or later) round grade?
I appreciate hearing that they favor Lock & Jones but would love to hear where they think Haskins makes sense (if at all).
Thanks!
Clearly they have interest in Haskins regardless of what was said here. They had an Army to his pro day and had him in just yesterday for a top 30 visit.
Yeah, that makes it crystal clear.
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Just checking in. Have you heard any rumblings as of late?
Defense at #6 is all I've got right now. It sounds like they like Lock or Jones at #17. I'm curious if they would spend to trade up to the Bills spot at #9 for a QB.
Question for Jon or jt. Whose their top QB? Lock or Jones? So if the Bills are on the clock. Lock, Jones & Haskins are available and they decide to trade up. Who do they take?
Thanks JonC. I agree with crooza guy that there is obviously some level of interest or they wouldn't be scouting him so hard, but I find it very curious that we aren't hearing ANYTHING about him through our asshats, meaning we're not hearing that they don't like him either, just that they have Lock/Jones ahead of him and that he's not a target at 6.
Often we hear a guy isn't liked, but not now. Makes me wonder why.
Very well could be, but what value does he really hold? He has a cheap rookie contract and at the very least offers a solid rotation. What team would give anything of value for him?
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Assuming the following - Giants go D at 6 and are unable to trade up - watching Lock and Jones go ahead of them at 17.
In that scenario - is there any interest in Haskins at 17? Is he basically off their board or does he just have a second (or later) round grade?
I appreciate hearing that they favor Lock & Jones but would love to hear where they think Haskins makes sense (if at all).
Thanks!
Clearly they have interest in Haskins regardless of what was said here. They had an Army to his pro day and had him in just yesterday for a top 30 visit.
It’s common knowledge that some media regularly read Erics bbi and knowing how many media just regurgitate what they hear or read from “sources “.
It just seems weird that Haskins lack of foot speed or agility or whatever you want to call it would cause him to slide. Teams were impressed with his football IQ. Kid has a spotless background, great arm, leadership ability etc etc..... I’m not buying this slide for a minute
JonC, old dogs can learn new tricks
It’s common knowledge that some media regularly read Erics bbi and knowing how many media just regurgitate what they hear or read from “sources “.
It just seems weird that Haskins lack of foot speed or agility or whatever you want to call it would cause him to slide. Teams were impressed with his football IQ. Kid has a spotless background, great arm, leadership ability etc etc..... I’m not buying this slide for a minute
The biggest myth is a guy "falling"... Just because the media and others say a guy is at this level, doesn't mean other teams feel that way. PLus, teams slot guys by position and by selection spot, against other players for that same selection spot. Not every player fits every scheme, regardless of perceived talent.
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He could be, but it would be a shift from past behavior.
JonC, old dogs can learn new tricks
Actions speak louder than words.
Then why take a visit and send that many people to his pro day? Don't see the logic.
The comparison to the 2017 QB class is a really good observation. Mahomes was a guy with a ton of talent, who started a lot of games, but viewed as needing time to adapt to the pro game - just like Lock. Watson had also started a lot of games and had a lot questions about his raw ability, but was a gamer. I see some similarities with Jones there, although at Clemson obviously Watson had the chance to prove himself on the big stage. I'd be happy with either QB if Shurmur thinks they fit what he wants to do.
I think we will see the Giants end up with 1 of those top 4 defensive players at #6 and then trade up to #12 or #13 to get either Lock or Jones. I think Denver takes either Haskins or Lock, probably with a trade up. Cincy, GB, and Miami could all be in the QB market, but I expect at least 1 of them is willing to listen to a trade down offer - and most likely it will be Miami. Last year Arizona had to trade #79 and #151 to move from #15 to #10. The Bills traded #22 and #65 for #16. So the price of moving up will likely be higher than #95 but not as high as #37 or next year's 1. I do wonder if they have to put 1 of those assets on the table while getting a lower 2nd/3rd back. Or perhaps give up next year's 2nd rounder.
Can’t wait till next week
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In comment 14389788 JonC said:
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He could be, but it would be a shift from past behavior.
JonC, old dogs can learn new tricks
Actions speak louder than words.
It's always darkest before the dawn.