“[The trade] was the most satisfying moment for me in my career and I really mean that. I would say that if I was ever fortunate to win a Super Bowl, I’m sure it would’ve trumped that, but I don’t know that. I gotta tell you there was a lot of highs and lows in the business, but that moment was the greatest high for me as an executive for an organization.”
I guess without any Super Bowl victories to show for it, sticking it to Condon and the Mannings was A.J. Smith's most satisfying moment of his career. Maybe if he had kept Brees and drafted Fitzgerald they would have one won.
That is one bizarre thing to single out in your career as the highlight. Especially after the guy you traded went on to be a 2 time SB MVP.
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This guy has traded 2 QBs who have not only gone on and won 3 SBs but were the MVPs in all 3.
But yeah that's his most satisfying career moment.
God your citing an article from a college professor who uses pointless stats as means of an argument.
You’ve got issues. When are you going to the Browns board like you proclaimed?
This guy has traded 2 QBs who have not only gone on and won 3 SBs but were the MVPs in all 3.
But yeah that's his most satisfying career moment.
The only way it makes sense for it to have been his most satisfying moment is if he's secretly a Giant fan, and knowing he had a hand in getting them two SB wins.
Used to be big on here...
I'm with Title on this, your opinion of someone's behavior during a business transaction should have no impact on your emotional attachemnt to a team, and visa a versa. Eli's behavior was not admirable; and thats probably why renegotiating a pay cut for the team now is off the table. He's squeaky clean as a professional player, and that entitles him to ask and demand top dollars. Its business; he and the Giants have been served well by it.
So, he figured he'd try to extract maximum value and make them sweat in the process. If you think about it - he did about as well as he possibly could have. Manning and Condon figured by telling him to piss off that either he'd just draft someone else, or work out a trade in advance. This would save face for both crowds - SD could claim that they got too much to pass up and it had nothing to do with Manning's demands, and Manning could say he would have played for SD but the trade made it moot. Instead, the mechanics caused some discomfort and uncertainty, and painted Eli as the villain for many NFL fans.
Smith always seemed like a pissy kind of dude, so hearing him say this isn't exactly a surprise - you'd figure he would say the hallmark of his career was building a perennial winner despite being told by the player that he wanted to go pound sand. Instead, he seems to have taken solace in making them uncomfortable.
What an idiotic comment and self-own.
Brees ending up in New Orleans instead of Miami is one of the biggest "what ifs" in the last 30 years of the NFL. If the Dolphins listen to Nick Saban and sign Brees instead of Culpepper, Saban might have built the Dolphins into someone that could compete with the Pats, and he likely doesn't go to Alabama. As for the Saints, I've heard Peter King say that they might not even be in New Orleans anymore if they hadn't turned it around the way they did under Brees.
So Eli is the THE main reason why the Giants won the SB both times...?
So if Eli was with the Dolphins during the Marino Era the Dolphins would have won the SB than Marino never could?
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they would be the San Diego Chargers today?
So Eli is the THE main reason why the Giants won the SB both times...?
So if Eli was with the Dolphins during the Marino Era the Dolphins would have won the SB than Marino never could?
Maybe... Can't deny Eli is pretty damn clutch when the game is on the line.
What we do know is damning enough.
Maybe... Can't deny Eli is pretty damn clutch when the game is on the line.
I don't. But nor do I think Eli has been this great force multiplier who has to make chicken salad...like a Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, etc. He's had a very good timing twice in his career, and to his credit, he showed up big.
But, and I really don't want to start another Eli v Rivers debate, for the duration of their career Rivers has been the better QB...
Also, what Eli did in 2011 is on par with anything Brady, Rodgers or Wilson have ever done in their careers.
What other junk arguments are you trying to make?
Also, what Eli did in 2011 is on par with anything Brady, Rodgers or Wilson have ever done in their careers.
What other junk arguments are you trying to make?
Are you sure Eli has the equivalent of a 25 point 4th quarter comeback in the SB?
I'd say that's weird but it's probably not coming from you.
You can think whatever you want about Eli, and I agree with you that he has been here too long...but what I wrote above is a fact that can't ever be taken away.
He changed two Super Bowl losses into wins with historic plays. Those two drives alone define his career, and are worth an enormous amount.
I'd say that's weird but it's probably not coming from you.
Nice try. You asked the question and I gave a better example.
Why is good timing bad, btw? It happens all the time in sports. The Giants D gelled late in the season and became a top D at the right time.
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Maybe... Can't deny Eli is pretty damn clutch when the game is on the line.
I don't. But nor do I think Eli has been this great force multiplier who has to make chicken salad...like a Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, etc. He's had a very good timing twice in his career, and to his credit, he showed up big.
But, and I really don't want to start another Eli v Rivers debate, for the duration of their career Rivers has been the better QB...
You don't really think Rivers could have done what Eli did in those Playoff/Super Bowl run years? San Diego has had a ton of talent throughout the years and have never won a thing. We don't win the super bowl much less get there without Eli in 2007 and 2011. That is just my opinion and you have yours. Eli was clutch though.
You can think whatever you want about Eli, and I agree with you that he has been here too long...but what I wrote above is a fact that can't ever be taken away.
He changed two Super Bowl losses into wins with historic plays. Those two drives alone define his career, and are worth an enormous amount.
I don't deny the point. The question was asked/posed as if no other current great QB has produced something similar.
Well, that's not true. In fact, Brady, and I realize I'm using a historically great benchmark, had also had some monumental moments in the clutch. And the list is more than two...
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that's a fact.
Also, what Eli did in 2011 is on par with anything Brady, Rodgers or Wilson have ever done in their careers.
What other junk arguments are you trying to make?
Are you sure Eli has the equivalent of a 25 point 4th quarter comeback in the SB?
Tom Brady is probably the best QB of all time, but you want to compare that and I will say Eli hasn't had that kind of talent on the Giants ever. Who knows what he could do with that.
You don't really think Rivers could have done what Eli did in those Playoff/Super Bowl run years? San Diego has had a ton of talent throughout the years and have never won a thing. We don't win the super bowl much less get there without Eli in 2007 and 2011. That is just my opinion and you have yours. Eli was clutch though.
I really don't know. And while I've been through this exercise before, the talent Eli has been surrounded by is just as good what Rivers has worked with.
Rivers has to live with 2006. They were 14-2. And were something like 6 points away from being undefeated. A great team. But as was his nature, Marty went ultra conservative against New England in the divisional round games and lost an absolute heart breaker. One of the great Houdini acts ever pulled off by the Pats...
Give me a break.
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You don't really think Rivers could have done what Eli did in those Playoff/Super Bowl run years? San Diego has had a ton of talent throughout the years and have never won a thing. We don't win the super bowl much less get there without Eli in 2007 and 2011. That is just my opinion and you have yours. Eli was clutch though.
I really don't know. And while I've been through this exercise before, the talent Eli has been surrounded by is just as good what Rivers has worked with.
Rivers has to live with 2006. They were 14-2. And were something like 6 points away from being undefeated. A great team. But as was his nature, Marty went ultra conservative against New England in the divisional round games and lost an absolute heart breaker. One of the great Houdini acts ever pulled off by the Pats...
Well we would never know anything. How good would Eli be on NE with Bill Belichek and his Defs and Gronk and good OLs. How many SB wins would SD have with Eli? How many would we have with Rivers?
Saying that I wouldn't change anything because we have two Super Bowl wins with Eli Manning and Rivers has none. That is the known and I wouldn't change it.
I did. And Eli is/was a very good one dimensional QB - proficient when he had optimal protection, a running game, and a top D.
QBs with the force multiplier effect are multi-dimensional and don't need everything to be place to succeed.
And really that's less on Eli than Jints Central's inability to create that environment.
But that still can't deflect away your position that no other QB had a SB/playoff accomplishment like Eli. I gave one example, and have others, and you have simply chosen to sidestep the issue.
Were you asleep in 2011? Under a rock?
Give me a break.
We could play this all day. If Asante Samuel can catch the 2008 SB is over. If Wes Welker can catch there is a great chance the 2011 game is put away.
So let's be careful what we pick and choose...
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You don't really think Rivers could have done what Eli did in those Playoff/Super Bowl run years? San Diego has had a ton of talent throughout the years and have never won a thing. We don't win the super bowl much less get there without Eli in 2007 and 2011. That is just my opinion and you have yours. Eli was clutch though.
I really don't know. And while I've been through this exercise before, the talent Eli has been surrounded by is just as good what Rivers has worked with.
Rivers has to live with 2006. They were 14-2. And were something like 6 points away from being undefeated. A great team. But as was his nature, Marty went ultra conservative against New England in the divisional round games and lost an absolute heart breaker. One of the great Houdini acts ever pulled off by the Pats...
This is very interesting argumentation.
Eli is immensely helped by timing and a great D. Rivers is hurt by timing and coaching.
The lengths some posters will go to minimize actual accomplishments while fabricating all sorts of shit is pretty fucking astounding.
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of two of the biggest giveaways of games ever seen in both the Seattle and Atlanta Super Bowl wins.
Give me a break.
We could play this all day. If Asante Samuel can catch the 2008 SB is over. If Wes Welker can catch there is a great chance the 2011 game is put away.
So let's be careful what we pick and choose...
If Asante Samuel was 10 feet tall. He makes the catch.
Point remains. Fabrication of shit.
A master at it.
Were you asleep in 2011? Under a rock?
Well, for the uninformed, the Pats were down 24-14 heading into the 4th quarter in that Seattle game. And Brady rallied the team with 200 yards passing in the quarter, and 2 TD passes against the famed Legion of Doom.
The Butler INT was probably as improbable - at the time - as catching a ball on your helmet on third and long...
The troll characterization applies more and more each day that goes by.
If Asante Samuel was 10 feet tall. He makes the catch.
Point remains. Fabrication of shit.
A master at it.
It was argued above that Pats were lucky to have won against Seattle and Atlanta. Which is very odd considering the amount of serendipity the Giants and Eli had in 2008 and 2011.
You seem a bit off today. Everything okay?
And it’s funny he mention Wilso has had the capabilities of turning a team into a SB winner when the year they won it they had the first ranked run game and defense and the 2nd year he got there... hisnplay at the end single handily lost them the game.
But let’s use conjecture to sound smart I guess?
This is very interesting argumentation.
Eli is immensely helped by timing and a great D. Rivers is hurt by timing and coaching.
The lengths some posters will go to minimize actual accomplishments while fabricating all sorts of shit is pretty fucking astounding.
You dare to challenge the Curse of Marty?!?
Dismissing this as a means of judging a player better than him who is a notorious playoff failure is just weird. He sucked against Baltimore last year, and if it were for 2 garbage TDs when they were down 40 against NE - he would have had another poor stat line.
Rivers has proven time and time again when the chips are down, he usually folds.
And it’s funny he mention Wilso has had the capabilities of turning a team into a SB winner when the year they won it they had the first ranked run game and defense and the 2nd year he got there... hisnplay at the end single handily lost them the game.
But let’s use conjecture to sound smart I guess?
Well, I forgot - you "proved it". So I do guess the case is closed.
On other thing. You have used stats to show that the Chargers have had - seemingly - better defenses and running games than what Eli had. Fine.
So when I use stats to show that Rivers has been a better QB than Eli that really shouldn't apply, right?
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Rivers had had better defenses and run games throughout their careers. BW ignores it.
And it’s funny he mention Wilso has had the capabilities of turning a team into a SB winner when the year they won it they had the first ranked run game and defense and the 2nd year he got there... hisnplay at the end single handily lost them the game.
But let’s use conjecture to sound smart I guess?
Well, I forgot - you "proved it". So I do guess the case is closed.
On other thing. You have used stats to show that the Chargers have had - seemingly - better defenses and running games than what Eli had. Fine.
So when I use stats to show that Rivers has been a better QB than Eli that really shouldn't apply, right?
Go right ahead. But ranking a QB based on the stats you wanna use doesn’t correlate to the effectiveness as the ones I did.
And of course Eli has the 2 Super Bowls and 2 super bowl MVPs to better anything you have to offer. It’s easier to prove who has had effective units much much easier than it is to compare individuals.
But we all know he sucked and it was all garbage time stat padding, but the “stats” won’t reflect that.
Go right ahead. But ranking a QB based on the stats you wanna use doesn’t correlate to the effectiveness as the ones I did.
Please don't ever change. I hope I give you half the entertainment as you give me... ;)
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Go right ahead. But ranking a QB based on the stats you wanna use doesn’t correlate to the effectiveness as the ones I did.
Please don't ever change. I hope I give you half the entertainment as you give me... ;)
I’ll just assume you couldn’t understand what I meant cause it’s a little more complex than what your capable of learning.