I was just over at the Cards fansite and saw an interesting bit of information from Peter King. We all know that Rosen and David Johnson had very mediocre years. My eyeballs every week told me that their OL stunk, even worse than ours. Here's the sad fact about the Cards' personnel
" The respected player-rating site Pro Football Focus ranks players top to bottom at each position. In 2018, Arizona had only two players from its starting 22 rated in the top 15 in the league at their positions: middle linebacker Josh Bynes (fifth) and cornerback Patrick Peterson (ninth). Arizona did not have a top-30 guard, center, tackle, tight end, running back, quarterback, defensive tackle or safety. Alarming. Trading the top pick could be medicine for a lot of personnel issues in Arizona."
Not a single player along the OL, including TEs were in the top 30 in the league. Now that sucks. Not saying to trade for Rosen, but I also don't think he's nearly as bad as he looked behind that group.
Especially since you are not getting close to the value you spent on Rosen.
Even if Murray is electric to start, he has zero team around him with a rookie head coach with very little NFL experience.
This is a making of a disaster.
Murray could end up like RG3 and the beaten he took the first 2 years
Here are my thoughts. If NYG is convinced on any QB as our next stud, draft him at 6. You can't control what you cant control after 6, until 17.
I think only Will Grier will be left at 17, honestly. And I am not opposed to Will Grier at 17, at all.
Once Murray and Lock go, a run will start. It always does. It cost us Patrick Mahomes.
It's all hearsay, but a number of teams have been rumored to be in on him. One of them was the Patriots.
And, to be honest, he wasn't very good last year.
My hesitation with Rosen is that he was hailed as this QB savant ("The Rosen One") from the day he signed with UCLA, and he never lived up to that hype. He was fine at UCLA, brilliant at times, but there's this whiff of underachievement around the guy. And while he had a terrible team around him last year, he didn't do anything to change that vague feeling that he's not as good as people expect him to be.
It’s hard to tank in the NFL. Youth alone won’t get the culture where it needs to be unless you have a transcendent talent and leader on the roster. That is rare.
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I was impressed he stuck in there; he could have easily said “no mas” and sat with injuries, but he kept getting up to take the beating. Runs counter to the speculation that he would be soft. Also in the plus column: how he has handled the Murray speculation by keeping quiet and showing up (early) for work; and public support from new Giant Golden, which runs counter to the gist that his college teammates hated the guy.
I think Rosen doesn't fit the mold of what a lot of people (including some BBIers) think a football player should be, so those people are looking for negative spin. Confirmation bias. Evidence that he's tough, committed and well-liked by his teammates doesn't fit their narrative, so they just ignore such evidence. They're happy to look at evidence that says he just wasn't very good last year.
And, to be honest, he wasn't very good last year.
My hesitation with Rosen is that he was hailed as this QB savant ("The Rosen One") from the day he signed with UCLA, and he never lived up to that hype. He was fine at UCLA, brilliant at times, but there's this whiff of underachievement around the guy. And while he had a terrible team around him last year, he didn't do anything to change that vague feeling that he's not as good as people expect him to be.
His stats were better than Josh Allens and not far off of Darnolds. Considering the crap he had in AZ, I think thats pretty impressive
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not saying this isn't true, nor am I against exploring a trade for Rosen, however if this were so cut and dry (bad team around him) vs. how talented/good he is, you would think a bunch of teams would be all over him (maybe they are) but it's not like teams aren't privy to this information (and more).
It's all hearsay, but a number of teams have been rumored to be in on him. One of them was the Patriots.
And the rumors are that nobody is offering anything worth a shit. So again, if this guy is a franchise QB, why hasn’t any team offered up a 1st rounder yet? You’d think a franchise QB could get that back, right? Maybe some team will or has offered a 1st, but if we are going by rumors, nothing close to that has been offered.
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not saying this isn't true, nor am I against exploring a trade for Rosen, however if this were so cut and dry (bad team around him) vs. how talented/good he is, you would think a bunch of teams would be all over him (maybe they are) but it's not like teams aren't privy to this information (and more).
It's all hearsay, but a number of teams have been rumored to be in on him. One of them was the Patriots.
And the rumors are that nobody is offering anything worth a shit. So again, if this guy is a franchise QB, why hasn’t any team offered up a 1st rounder yet? You’d think a franchise QB could get that back, right? Maybe some team will or has offered a 1st, but if we are going by rumors, nothing close to that has been offered.
It's because teams know that they have the Cardinals over a barrel if they draft Murray. They have to trade Rosen; so teams are trying to get him for as little as possible. It has nothing to do with his talent.
I don't think you can answer a concussion issuequestion merely because you didn't get a concussion.
It's because teams know that they have the Cardinals over a barrel if they draft Murray. They have to trade Rosen; so teams are trying to get him for as little as possible. It has nothing to do with his talent.
And if the Cards trade Rosen prior to the draft, Murray and his agent would have them over a barrel.
Imagine if Kliff Kingsbury wasn't head coach, they could trade that #1 pick for more picks to fill those holes.
This has nothing to do with Rosen, positive or negative. I'm just griping.
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It's because teams know that they have the Cardinals over a barrel if they draft Murray. They have to trade Rosen; so teams are trying to get him for as little as possible. It has nothing to do with his talent.
And if the Cards trade Rosen prior to the draft, Murray and his agent would have them over a barrel.
Imagine if Kliff Kingsbury wasn't head coach, they could trade that #1 pick for more picks to fill those holes.
How much of a barrel? I thought that slotting made negotiating room very limited?
Here are my thoughts. If NYG is convinced on any QB as our next stud, draft him at 6. You can't control what you cant control after 6, until 17.
I think only Will Grier will be left at 17, honestly. And I am not opposed to Will Grier at 17, at all.
Once Murray and Lock go, a run will start. It always does. It cost us Patrick Mahomes.
Will Grier is hot trash and drafting him at 17 will cause my tv to be thrown out the window. If we even dare look his way, it better not be until atleast the fourth rd. I want no parts of Geno Smith redux
This has nothing to do with Rosen, positive or negative. I'm just griping.
Guys like Iupati and Pugh were very good when they were playing and have been injured constantly.
Says who? Rosen is plenty mobile. He just chooses to stand tall in the pocket amd make his throws. In terms of designed roll outs he is more than adequate. You might want to look into his athleticism.
I guess it's hard to predict. But if he's going to get sacked 45 times a year that sure won't be good for his health.
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Anyone who has made up their mind about Rosen based on his play from last season are clueless. I am not for adding Rosen, but it has nothing to do with his performance last season, in fact, if anything, that should boost his stock in my view. My issues are plain and simply has ability to stay healthy, I know he did last season, but when I look at his body, I just do not see a guy that can withstand the NFL. I may be proven dead wrong, but that is my view.
I guess it's hard to predict. But if he's going to get sacked 45 times a year that sure won't be good for his health.
That wouldn’t be good for any QB’s health.
As soon as he leaves the showroom he loses 50% of his value
If you get Rosen for less than a First it is a steal
Most of his guaranteed money was paid by Arizona
His yearly salaries are less than a backup
You have him for thee years plus an option Year
This will allow the Giants to spend money in other areas
This is a low risk high benefit move
This is similar to Steve Young joining San Fran
If Rosen becomes a quality starter this could change the trajectory of the team
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Our QB is pushing 40!
Here are my thoughts. If NYG is convinced on any QB as our next stud, draft him at 6. You can't control what you cant control after 6, until 17.
I think only Will Grier will be left at 17, honestly. And I am not opposed to Will Grier at 17, at all.
Once Murray and Lock go, a run will start. It always does. It cost us Patrick Mahomes.
Will Grier is hot trash and drafting him at 17 will cause my tv to be thrown out the window. If we even dare look his way, it better not be until atleast the fourth rd. I want no parts of Geno Smith redux
I don't know where yo get your "facts" from. Grier is far from trash. He's the most accuracte QB in the draft, ahs a good arm, good enough size, and is fairly mobile. He also played in an offense like Shurmur runs. This guy has just as much of a chance to be a top QB as any of the other QB's in the draft, and we could get him in the 2nd.
As soon as he leaves the showroom he loses 50% of his value
If you get Rosen for less than a First it is a steal
Most of his guaranteed money was paid by Arizona
His yearly salaries are less than a backup
You have him for thee years plus an option Year
This will allow the Giants to spend money in other areas
This is a low risk high benefit move
This is similar to Steve Young joining San Fran
If Rosen becomes a quality starter this could change the trajectory of the team
Way too sensible a post.
Add to that: if he tanks, likely the Giants tank and go into the 2020 draft with a high pick.
The reason the Giants don't make a trade for Rosen is if they have "fallen in love with" a quarterback in this draft. Otherwise, make a trade for Rosen.