and not qb or Oline.
Last year we had a new HC with a new offense. It has been documented that normally (there are some exceptions) it takes an offense several games to really grasp the new offense and start to make it flow. From the qb play and new wr routes to the oline's blocking assignments it takes time.
Last season our oline was not good. BUT....it improved when we added a new starting guard. At the end of last season we had no problem putting points on the board.
30 vs Chi
40 vs Wash
27 vs Colts
35 vs Dal
Heck we even did this without OBJ!!!
It was the defense that could not stop the other teams from putting up big numbers
Chi 27
Colts 27
Dal 36
If we had been able to stop the final drive vs Colts and Dal
We would have finished 7-9 which may only be 2 games better but an important 2 games better.
In the offseason we were able to add a almost probowl RG to our oline. We may sign Mike Remmers..we may not. Point is we improved the oline with one move. Now RT is an issue but one that could be addressed in rd 3. Package several picks and move up to grab a guy.
We have a chance to add 3 playmakers in the top 37 picks. We could add 2 pass rushers (2 ER or 1 ER and 1 DE) and a ILBER or a playmaking CB or S. Look at these names
Oliver
Sweat
Burns
Ferrell
White
Bush
Rock Ya Sin
Adderly
Greedy W
Ferguson
Mack Wilson
I am betting 3 of these guys will be there when we pick. We could address each level of the Def if we wanted to.. Oliver-Ferrell-Rock Ya Sin look great to me!!! Or how about White (if he falls)-Ferrell-Wilson??? OR Sweat-Greedy-Wilson??
my point is we have a chance to go along way to fixing the defense. By the way I am also ok with 2 def players and RT and then move up in rd 3 to get another defensive player.
So come on board the DEFENSE train..Next stop....Sacksville population DAK Prescott !!!
There's no guarantee our offense comes out this year and starts putting up 38 points a game as is
There's no guarantee our offense comes out this year and starts putting up 38 points a game as is
There is never a guarantee about anything except taxes or death. But going off how we ended last year; I have more faith in our ability to score than stop the other team from scoring.
There's no guarantee our offense comes out this year and starts putting up 38 points a game as is
Agree with this. This has been a long standing problem with the way the giants operated the past decade. they mistakenly believe that one unit is strong and as a result do nothing to to add, while simultaneously pour all their resources to the unit that struggled, Thus, one unit regresses the following year, while the other improves, and thus repeating the cycle again.
All you do is pigeonhole yourself that way.
We've been trying to do this for years. In 2013, the offense was embarrassing... we managed to improve that unit significantly by 2015, but then the defense was historically poor.
So, we went on a shopping spree... and in 2016, we had a top 5 defense, but the offense was on the way down again.
In 2017, both units were horrific.
Then in 2018, the offense showed signs of life while the defense was, again, awful.
Notice the pattern? It's like a dog chasing its tail.
The focus needs to be on bringing the best football players on board that we can. If it means making a strength more of a strength, great.
For the RT position I would like to draft 2 guys in RD 4. Plenty of good tackles in this draft in between pcks 98-130 pick the best 2 offensive lineman there. More than likely one of them hits.
At 17, that is most likely defense (Lawrence, Greedy, Bush) - but I can see the appeal of a Risner/Ford “road grader” added. Build OL, feed Saquon, kill defense with play action and control the clock.
At 37, I start to like some of the OL/WR value (AJ Brown, Butler, etc.) but not against D again if those players off the board.
I expect improved secondary play and if they nail this draft as well as last years (by focusing on D prospects) - this team could be competitive. Run the ball, play decent defense, win the close games they blew last year.
Later picks can be used to fill defensive holes. It is a deeper defensive than offensive draft.
Use the strength of this draft to build the defense and possibly get Eli a big bodied WR (Butler or AJ Brown preferably)
I’d take Hock at 17 in a heartbeat, but he’ll be gone most likely
You have no idea how things will fall or what the best value will be at any given pick. If Jonah Williams is there at 17 should they leave on the board like morons to draft defense? How about if Cody Ford is there at 37?
The team has enough holes that BPA for the first three rounds will fill 4 major holes.
The offense didn't have really anything to do with that win. Multiple defensive touchdowns did.
6: R1P6 EDGE JOSH ALLEN KENTUCKY
17: R1P17 LB DEVIN BUSH MICHIGAN
37: R2P5 DL DEXTER LAWRENCE CLEMSON
95: R3P31 C ELGTON JENKINS MISSISSIPPI STATE
108: R4P6 WR TERRY MCLAURIN OHIO STATE
132: R4P30 S AMANI HOOKER IOWA
142: R5P4 RB JUSTICE HILL OKLAHOMA STATE
143: R5P5 CB JAMEL DEAN AUBURN
171: R5P33 TE FOSTER MOREAU LSU
180: R6P7 EDGE JONATHAN LEDBETTER GEORGIA
232: R7P18 OT OLI UDOH ELON
245: R7P31 WR DARIUS SLAYTON AUBURN
If all of those are on defense, fantastic. Seriously, I'd love that. What's important, though, is to improve the team as much as possible. If that means they get an immediate starter at right tackle, a Pro Bowl QB and a Hall of Fame center (to take an extreme case), I'm not going to be complaining that they didn't go defense.
Bush ILB
Tillery DL
Savage FS
Sagapulo NT
Martin G for Center
Sample TE According to someone here
6: R1P6 EDGE JOSH ALLEN KENTUCKY
17: R1P17 LB DEVIN BUSH MICHIGAN
37: R2P5 DL DEXTER LAWRENCE CLEMSON
95: R3P31 C ELGTON JENKINS MISSISSIPPI STATE
108: R4P6 WR TERRY MCLAURIN OHIO STATE
132: R4P30 S AMANI HOOKER IOWA
142: R5P4 RB JUSTICE HILL OKLAHOMA STATE
143: R5P5 CB JAMEL DEAN AUBURN
171: R5P33 TE FOSTER MOREAU LSU
180: R6P7 EDGE JONATHAN LEDBETTER GEORGIA
232: R7P18 OT OLI UDOH ELON
245: R7P31 WR DARIUS SLAYTON AUBURN
If Allen, Bush, and Dexter Lawrence are NY Giants in a week I would be beyond thrilled. I want Dexter Lawrence at 17 if Bush is gone ... absolutely love Lawrence - he made that Clemson DL go. Monster.
Perhaps I'm old school but I believe a strong run game sets the tone for the game. The Giants have the best RB in the league and need to take advantage of that.
A great run game keeps your defense rested. A great run game establishes a rhythm for your team while keeping the opposing team's offense on the bench longer. A great run game beats up and tires out the opposing team's defense. Their backfield starts to get lazy and opens them up for a big play downfield. A run game sets up the play action which is a boon for all pocket passers. Etc etc etc
I don't care that it's a "passing league". The basic premise of running to set up the pass still exists and no it does not work as well the other way around. I've been saying it. The run game is making a come back.
They can go defense the rest of the draft if they want but I am really hoping for one of the top 3 picks to be a starter quality OT regardless of whatever happens with Remmers.
- #6 TE TJ Hockenson
- #17 C Garrett Bradbury or OT Jonah Williams
- #37 C Erik McCoy, C Elgton Jenkins, OT Andre Dillard, or OT Cody Ford
Alternatively, you could go something like:
- #6 Oliver
- #17 Wilkins
- #37 Winovich
If I'm the Giants I want to come out of this draft knowing there's a part of the roster I can hang my hat on. Given what we currently have, I think going the first option (Hockenson + OL) gets us to the strongest possible unit and builds around our best player (Barkley).
Consider now if we spread it around:
- #6 Ed Oliver
- #17 Daniel Jones
- #37 Cody Ford
Yeah we've addressed 3 areas, but are any of those areas now strengths? What are we hanging our hat on?
- #6 TE TJ Hockenson
- #17 C Garrett Bradbury or OT Jonah Williams
- #37 C Erik McCoy, C Elgton Jenkins, OT Andre Dillard, or OT Cody Ford
Alternatively, you could go something like:
- #6 Oliver
- #17 Wilkins
- #37 Winovich
If I'm the Giants I want to come out of this draft knowing there's a part of the roster I can hang my hat on. Given what we currently have, I think going the first option (Hockenson + OL) gets us to the strongest possible unit and builds around our best player (Barkley).
Consider now if we spread it around:
- #6 Ed Oliver
- #17 Daniel Jones
- #37 Cody Ford
Yeah we've addressed 3 areas, but are any of those areas now strengths? What are we hanging our hat on?
There’s two sides to the line of scrimmage.
You’re sacrificing value at one of the 3 picks going all offense or all defense. All defense could work if the draft breaks a certain way, but I suspect the value at OT will be too good to pass up at 17 or 37.
While I agree that the spreading it around approach is a mistake, some Draconian draft philosophy based on the current roster is equally bad.
The Giants have an opportunity to fix both sides of the LoS with their first three picks if they play their cards right. There’s no need to get cute. Let the other teams get cute.
A quality OT fixes the OL. They shouldn’t scoff at that opportunity based on some pre-determined draft philosophy.
There’s plenty of 3 player combos where the Giants come away with two potentially quality pass rushers and a quality OT.
I agree with terps on this. Can’t fix things over night but you just might field a devastating offense with the right additions here and it would be an offense with staying power. Draft Hock and the tackle and forget about it, the offense would be nasty.
The Giants can get a center upgrade in the 3rd or 4th round. I think the quality of OTs available drops substantially after 37.
#17- D
Drumroll Please!.......
#37- RT
Sorry but you're wrong. RT has to be upgraded asap.
17-- Dillard is avail if not then get Bradbury. (I don't think WIlliams or Taylor will be available.)
37-- Rosen. If not Rosen then dratf a starter preferably in the front 7 defense or OLINE.
I think a priority should be to get the OLINE "right" and getting at least 1 OLINEMAN fills that. And ofc a rd2 Rosen imo would be ideal.
I agree with terps on this. Can’t fix things over night but you just might field a devastating offense with the right additions here and it would be an offense with staying power. Draft Hock and the tackle and forget about it, the offense would be nasty.
Hock, Dexter Lawrence, Jaylon Ferguson .... that’ll do
And then go absolutely batshit nuts on QB and WR next off season, 2020.