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Sy'56: 2019 NFL Draft Preview - Offensive Tackles

Sy'56 : 4/17/2019 2:28 pm
Just so it is slightly easier to understand how I grade players. Similar to a tier system. I have had teams/services ask for more specific grades based on schemes and situations, thus these grades are more general-based.

*Grading Scale:

90+ Elite, All Pro
85-89: Immediate starter, building block for a decade, franchise player
80-84: First round talent, starter and/or majority of the snaps each week

77-79: Day 2 pick, starter within their first 16-24 games as a pro
75-76: Fourth rounder, has starter traits but needs development
71-74: Fifth/Sixth rounder, should develop in to weekly contributor over rookie contract
68-70: Draftable, hopeful for special teams impact and long term development
67 and under: UDFA

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OFFENSVE TACKLE

WHERE THEY STAND


The Ereck Flowers experiment finally came to an end in 2018, as the team cut him loose and after JAC wanted nothing to do with him, he currently sits as a backup in WAS. That left undrafted free agent Chad Wheeler to take over at right tackle, a role that looked overwhelming for him at several points in his second year. 2019 will be telling as to whether or not he has a long term future with the club. Nate Solder had a year to forget on the other side after signing a monster contract with the team last offseason. A lingering neck injury didn’t help and his play did stabilize a bit down the stretch, but there is some long term concern there. Similar to their situation inside, the depth leaves a lot to be desired. Jylan Ware and Brian Mihalik have not impressed in their limited playing time on Sundays and Victor Salako may not be athletic enough to handle the speed of the NFL. This group needs talent and depth.

TOP 25

1: Jonah Williams – Alabama – 6’4/302

Grade: 87

Summary: Junior entry. A three year starter dating back the beginning of his freshman season, a rarity under the Nick Saban era along the offensive line. One year at right tackle before settling in for two seasons at left tackle. First Team All SEC in 2017 and 2018 respectively. Williams is likely to be the unquestioned top offensive lineman in the class. He has the pro-caliber technique and control that can mirror just about anyone with a sense of ease and consistency. While he does have some work to do in the weight room, his upside is that of a 10+ year starter at a position that can be very hard to fill for some clubs. What he lacks in current power presence can be more than made up for with his arsenal of blocking-tools. Some will view him as a guard early on in his career, but his fit will depend on the team that drafts him. Week 1 starter regardless.

*The entire pre-draft process, Williams has been my guy for NYG at #6, cat is out of the bag (unless they sign Remmers). I believe in this kid both as a player and as a person and if there is one guy I am the most confident will be at least a very solid player for a long time, it’s this kid. Williams has experience at right tackle and I think he is a week 1 starter that can handle the Ryan Kerrigans, the Demarcus Lawrence’s…etc right away. After watching how badly this OL has impacted the potential of this offense and team overall, this could be the final piece that, in combination with Zeitler, creates a right side of the line that can be one of the best in the league coming up from one of the worst.

NFL Comparison: David Bakhtiari / GB



2: Andre Dillard – Washington State – 6’5/315

Grade: 84

Summary: Fifth year senior. Three year starter and two-time First Team All Pac 12. The jury may still be out if he is better suited inside or on the edge, but no matter the case Dillard will be a long-time solid pro. His movement-efficiency and contact-balance will be a weapon against any kind of defender whether it be at the point of attack or in space. Dillard checks a lot of boxes and will give a team multiple options how to use him both right away and in the future.

*Over and over again, Dillard just screamed smooth and consistent. The term “dancing bear” that I have heard Gettleman use several times fits Dillard very well. I do question some power and aggression traits, but not to a point where I bumped him down out of the top 15-20 overall. If NYG goes defense early, I think Dillard will very much be in play at 17. Another guy that can handle RT right away and gives the offense a lot more confidence.

NFL Comparison: Jake Matthews / ATL



3: Jawaan Taylor – Florida – 6’5/312

Grade: 84

Summary: Junior entry. Three year starter that has seen the majority of his action on the right side and that is where he likely ends up in the pros. Taylor is a massive, silver-back that can dominate on contact time after time. When his lower body is bent enough which keeps his feet in the game, there isn’t much that can be done to beat him in pass protection. The awareness and confidence are apparent, as he never seems to lose himself no matter who he is matched up against. Taylor has as high a ceiling as any lineman in this entire class as long he puts the work in to shore up simple, but vital, technique components.

*There is more boom or bust in Taylor’s projection than most of the guys at the top of this list, but the more I scouted the more I liked. He has heavy hands and such a sturdy base that if his footwork and leverage can be just OK, he will win the one on one battles. I think there is a strong chance he is the first OT off the board if I am predicting what will actually happen. Looking hard at JAC.

NFL Comparison: Ja’Wuan James / DEN



4: Cody Ford – Oklahoma – 6’4/329

Grade: 79

Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Former left guard with just seven career starts entering 2018. Ford made the move to right tackle and earned 1st Team All Big 12 honors. He projects equally well at both spots in the NFL but his technique shortcomings and inconsistency may keep him inside initially. The footwork, triangle numbers, and desire all have checks in their respective boxes. Drafting him is a gamble because there is an assumption is he will continue to develop the notable shortcomings, as he just doesn’t have a lot of experience to look back on.

*I think most teams are looking at Ford as a tackle and if NYG brings him in, that will be the case. I am split on where he fits best but with tackles being harder to find, that is where I think he ends up. Getting past that debate, Ford was really hot and cold on my sheet when it came to grades. He was inconsistent but when he was on, he looked as reliable as anyone. The sticky hands and play-through-the-whistle mindset are attractive but I’m not sold on him being ready right away.

NFL Comparison: La’el Collins / DAL



5: Max Scharping – Northern Illinois – 6’6/327

Grade: 78

Summary: Fifth year senior that has had one of the most successful careers in MAC history. He started all 52 games of his career split between both tackle spots and some action at guard. Scharping was a three time 1st Team All MAC honoree and a top tier kid off the field. His jump to higher competition at the senior bowl exposed some core strength and functional athleticism issues, but Scharping is as advanced as anyone when it comes to technique and consistency. His hands and feet are constantly where they need to be and he rarely compensates them based on what the defender is doing. If his ability can catch up to his skill set, Scharping will be a solid starting caliber tackle.

*During the year I had a 1st round outlook on Scharping. I always have a thing for tackles that play with plus technique and consistency because at the end of the day, I want reliability from that spot. But when the Senior Bowl came around, Scharping struggled more than I thought and it made me re-think the grades a tad. I still like him but I view it more as a Day 2-like meaning I think he needs a year before he can be thrown in there. But I mean it, if this kid can get stronger and more stable, he can be one of the best OTs coming from the class. He checks a lot of boxes.

NFL Comparison: Ryan Ramczyk / NO



6: Yodny Cajuste – West Virginia – 6’5/312

Grade: 76

Summary: Sixth year senior that overcame knee issues early in his career to eventually earn All Big 12 honors in 2017 and 2018. Cajuste showed stretched of play where he looked like a first rounder and week 1 starter in the NFL. However it was almost always followed by stretches of play where he looked like a day 3 prospect at best. Throw in the notion that scouting and projecting tackles from the West Virginia offense can be difficult and makes Cajuste one of the riskier prospects in the class. He will bring physicality and toughness to the trenches but the hope will reside in how he develops the skill set. If he does, he will be a long time starter.

*Another guy that, early on in the year, I was all over and had him heading towards round 1 territory. However the more I watched and after seeing him in a different light, his grade went backwards. Cajuste isn’t completely clean off the field, either. There is a heavy handed beast that lives inside though and when he really gets after it, it is bad news for the opponent. It just comes down to him always playing like that and taking in NFL coaching. If he does, look out. Also a shot he moves inside to guard.

NFL Comparison: Bobby Massie / CHI



7: Dennis Daley – South Carolina – 6’5/317

Grade: 76

Summary: Former junior college All American that started for two years in the SEC at left tackle, matching up against some of the best edge defenders college football had to offer. Daley has been a very up and down player throughout his career. His low points make him look undraftable but his best tapes make him look like a day 2 pick. He is somewhere in the middle of those two and lot of his success will depend on how hard he works at his craft and a team not rushing him in to action. Daley is a solid left tackle prospect worth taking a chance on if you can promise he sits and cleans himself up for at least a year.

*Daley really has the upside of a top end starting tackle if he can apply himself and clean the little things up. He isn’t far away but it will come down to the situation he is brought in to and how hard he grinds. He has the goods and he has proven they are fully functional on numerous occasions, the consistency just needs to show up.

NFL Comparison: Reilly Reiff / MIN




8: Yosh Nijman – Virginia Tech – 6’7/324

Grade: 76

Summary: Fifth year senior. Former defensive end that was quickly moved to tackle during his redshirt year. Nijman has starting experience at both tackle spots but missed time in both 2017 and 2018 with injuries. There is still a lot of rawness to his game but he has flashed some really good tape against some really good competition. Nijman has natural power and heavy hands combined with a mammoth frame that can end things quickly if he is accurate with his hands. The stiffness and inconsistent technique along with the medicals are all red flags, but there is something about this kid that screams upside.

*I didn’t get a full medical report on Nijman like I do on most others, so there is a little asterisk mark here. That aside, I have been drawn to Nijman for the past few months. I really like what I saw in flashes and even though there are movement limitations, I think he has enough length and hand power to keep tackles from reaching the edge. A 1-2 year project that has the upside of a really good starter.

NFL Comparison: Rob Havenstein / LAR



9: Chuma Edoga – USC – 6’3/308

Grade: 76

Summary: After some spot duty in 2015 and 2016, Edoga put together two very solid years as the starting right tackle for the Trojans. He ended his career with a 2nd Team All Pac 12 season and is viewed as one of the best athletes at the position. He lost over 50 pounds of bad weight since arriving at USC, but the athletic tools were always there and now he needs to put some more quality weight back on. His gifted lower body in terms of athleticism and flexibility can make him a weapon if he enhances his strength and power. He is likely a guard in the NFL and one that zone blocking schemes will be especially attracted to.

*I’m not all in on the idea that tackles need to be a certain height and I think the league is past that as well. Edoga has the necessary length and footwork to handle the best speed rushers in the game, but he lacks power presence and hand strength. There is enough stand out tape to his name, but I wouldn’t want him in there right away similar to what MIN ideally wanted to do with Brian O’Neill a year ago. However he was forced in to action because of injuries and fared OK down the stretch. Edoga could be in a similar situation.

NFL Compariosn: Charles Leno Jr / CHI



10: Greg Little – Ole Miss – 6’5/310

Grade: 75

Summary: Junior entry with 2+ years of starting experience. First Team All SEC in 2018 after being named second team in 2017. Little has the ideal physical package for the hard-to-find left tackle position and more than enough to tape to warrant the belief he can be a solid player there in the NFL. The athletic ability is there and while his power presence appears good enough against the bull rush, he struggled to lock defenders up over and over all year. The hand-techniques are vital to success in the NFL and it may be his biggest issue. A lot of work to be done for Little and if he consistently works at it, his future is bright. But the one thing a team will need to be sure about is his work ethic/passion/drive.

*I know I have Little a lot lower than where most people project. But this is a kid everyone touted as a first rounder last summer. Halfway through the year he “dropped” if you will, in to the 20’s. Now most don’t think he is a first rounder. Well his stone dropped in to the deeper end of the pool for me, as I think his potential is solely based on the tool set but nothing to do with his skill set of drive. Little doesn’t have a great reputation among coaches and looks to be yet another gifted but chronic underachiever. Day 3 is the soonest I would look at him.

NFL Comparison: DJ Humphries / ARI




11: Donnelle Greene – Minnesota – 6’5/335

Grade: 75

Summary: Fifth year senior. After two years in junior college, Greene transferred to Minnesota and started his last two and a half years. He locked himself in to left tackle and earned Honorable Mention All Big 10 honors two straight seasons. Greene is a wide, physical power blocker that is capable of winning most matchups when he locks his bear paws on defenders. He has a way of putting defenders through the ground and really controlling his gaps as a run blocker. His issues reside in pass protection where his balance and inconsistent foot and hand placements can hurt him. If he can take in coaching and work hard at his craft for a year or two, he has starting tackle or guard written all over him.

*If a team really wants to enhance their run blocking with a little loss in pass protection, Greene can be a higher target than this. He is a nasty, angry dude when he gets to move north and push defenders around. He doesn’t look nearly as efficient or confident when he has to drop back and play the balance game. Still a decent amount to work with here.

NFL Comparison: Brandon Shell / NYJ



12: Justin Skule – Vanderbilt – 6’7/320

Grade: 74

Summary: Four year starter in the SEC that checks a lot of boxes but his weaknesses are obvious every week. Skule is a well oiled, technique-savvy veteran that knows how to play the game with his feet. His balance and control make it easy for him to adjust in space, but the lack of lower body strength and overall aggressiveness came back to bite him over and over. The base is there, but he needs time to really improve his body and core strength.

*A multi year project that has a lot of things going for him from a coachability and technique perspective. Throw in the really wide long frame, Skule could be a candidate to throw in the weight room with a sleeping bag and tell him to come out in 2021 ready for action.

NFL Comparison: Anthony Castanzo / IND



13: Tytus Howard – Alabama State – 6’5/322

Grade: 74

Summary: Fifth year senior. Four year starter from Monroeville, Alabama. The former high school quarterback and basketball star progressed year by year in to a 1st Team All SWAC tackle that played on both sides of the line. Howard’s background and body scream upside, but his tape doesn’t always agree. While he shows some natural combat ability, his lower body is slow and heavy and he is going to need a lot of time and work to improve vital techniques. Howard needs to replace some of his bad weight so he can sustain his power on them move outside. A move inside may even be in the forecast.

*Howard is a really hot name that many are projecting as a 2nd rounder. Trust me I went back a couple times and I just didn’t see it. There is so much sloppiness to his game and he is not the athlete many make him out to be. I see a backup caliber guy that you just don’t want to see in there because he loses too many battles inside and outside. I can understand the desire to bring him in late, there was some quality tape from the Senior Bowl week, but he is a major project.

NFL Comparison: Germain Ifedi / SEA



14: Paul Adams – Missouri – 6’6/317

Grade: 74

Summary: Fifth year senior and three year starter. Two time team captain. Adams has had a lot of ups and downs, but he put together a solid pre-draft process and the thought is that his best days are ahead. He is a tough, hard nosed competitor that was up against some of the best competition college football had to offer. He fought through a couple injuries as a senior but when he’s right, he proved to be capable of handling speed, but not power. There is a lot of extra core strength needed here but if he can acquire that in time, he could be a very capable, versatile backup.

*Adams is in a cluster of tackles that project to backup roles, but I want to keep him at the top of that cluster. I like his game from an athleticism point of view and he plays really hard. Constantly the guy downfield looking to pick up the extra block. Some are saying he will move inside, but I think he gets a shot at tackle initially.

NFL Comparison: Ty Sambrailo / ATL



15: Mitch Hyatt – Clemson – 6’5/303

Grade: 74

Summary: Four year starter with 59 starts to his name, a school record. Freshman All American in 2015, Two time All American, two time winner of the Jacobs Blocking Trophy, given to the best offensive lineman in the ACC. Hyatt has more experience and more accolades that can fit on a normal sized shelf. He has been a steady piece to arguably the top team in the nation in recent years. His tools aren’t overly impressive, as he lacks a lot of push and hand power, but he is a consistent and constantly repeated player that can project to a few spots. Hyatt may not translate in to an NFL starter, but he is the kind of quality backup every team is looking for.

*Just looking as his career experience for maybe the best college football team in the nation in recent years, Hyatt should be projected a lot higher. There are some initial tests that he passes with flying colors, but for the past two years I have seen a ton of him and the same issues exist. He doesn’t have a power game and he isn’t a very gifted mover in space. I just see a very limited ceiling here, although I wouldn’t mind a guy like this backing up a few spots.

NFL Comparison: Chris Hubbard / CLE



16: Ryan Pope – San Diego State - 6’7/320: 73
17: Williams Sweet – North Carolina – 6’6/313: 73
18: Trey Pipkins – Sioux Fallas – 6’6/309: 73
19: Bobby Evans – Oklahoma – 6’4/312: 72
20: Oli Udoh – Elon – 6’5/324: 72
21: Calvin Anderson – Texas - 6’4/297: 71
22: David Edwards – Wisconsin – 6’6/308: 71
23: Jackson Barton – Utah – 6’7/310: 71
24: Martez Ivey – Florida – 6’5/315: 70
25: Joe Lowery – Ohio – 6’6/300



**TOP UDFA SLEEPER**

Christian Harris – Duke – 6’5/300

A fifth year senior that really only started for a year. A late bloomer that still has a ways to go physically, Harris stood out to me on several occasions from a balance and technique point of view. I look for that more than most, and I think he has the base you want to work with when talking about candidates for your practice squad. I liked what I saw against Clemson, his stiffest competition and I think he can be a guy you revisit in a year to see what kind of power improvements he made, because the other things are there.



NYG APPROACH

A lot depends on the Mike Remmers situation, as the need for a starter significantly decreases if he is brought in. Ideally that situation is figured out before the draft, but who knows. Anyway, the Giants marching Chad Wheeler out there isn’t the worst thing in the world because this line has potential to be strong enough elsewhere, but if there is a possibility to bring a highly graded player to take that spot, I think they need to go for it. A quality offensive line is near-mandatory with the current personnel and situation at the NYG skill positions. Jonah Williams at #6 or Andre Dillard/Jawaan Taylor at #17 needs to be heavily discussed. I think NYG fans have lost track of just how much of a difference a quality line can be, especially for a team with an immobile, nearly done QB and a superstar RB. If they look past OT early, fine. But they need more talent on this team at that spot at some point, plan and simple.
Sy  
ryanmkeane : 4/17/2019 2:40 pm : link
I am with you on Jonah Williams. Dude is gonna be at the very least, a really solid pro for 10+ years out there. Take him and move along
Sy...all true. 8 years of.lousy OL play  
George from PA : 4/17/2019 2:44 pm : link
At this point, a reliable RT is a must. My preference is with an experience pro....but if you feel a rookie can step right in...great.

It must be done.

Q: you do not actually interview, meet these players, do you?.....it is pretty much all film work? Just asking.

Thanks again
Great stuff as usual Sy  
BigBlueShock : 4/17/2019 2:45 pm : link
I’m also big time on the Jonah train. My question to you is, there seems to be plenty of tackles that rank pretty highly on your list, so do you think that Jonah is that much better than the rest that you’d take him at 6 and find the edge rusher at 17? You mentioned you like him at 6, so I’m just wondering how much better he is than the others that can be had at 17. I know I’m in the minority but I actually think taking Jonah at 6 makes sense if the top guys are off the board. I think an edge could be had at 17.
I'm with you on Jonah Williams as well  
allstarjim : 4/17/2019 2:51 pm : link
The only hesitation is I think I'd prefer defense at #6. And with some teams possibly preferring Taylor as the top guy, I think there's a decent enough chance that either Williams or Dillard will be there at 17. I think from a value perspective, I'd rather have say, Ed Oliver at 6 and Dillard at 17 rather than Williams at 6 and perhaps a Clellin Ferrell at 17.
Sy  
Jay on the Island : 4/17/2019 2:54 pm : link
what's your feeling on Trey Pipkins. Would he be a good developmental day 3 OT for the Giants?
Max Scharping  
Jay on the Island : 4/17/2019 2:57 pm : link
sounds like a Patriots 2nd round pick that will be a great starting RT for 10 years.
I've been banging his drum since December.  
Diver_Down : 4/17/2019 3:26 pm : link
While he needs some time in the weight room, his technique is flawless. From day 1 in rookie mini camp, he is teaching technique to Hal. Jonah fixes RT immediately (low bar set), but having him able to move Solder off the roster should be the goal in the long-term. Having our answer at RT and eventually at LT should stabilize the line especially since Hernandez will be getting his 2nd contract at the same time as Zeitler is due. Having a LT on a rookie contract (even if it is only for 2 years) will prolong the cap commitment that the OL will demand.
RE: Max Scharping  
Pep22 : 4/17/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14390398 Jay on the Island said:
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sounds like a Patriots 2nd round pick that will be a great starting RT for 10 years.


I thought he was really overwhelmed from a speed perspective versus any decently athletic DL at Senior Bowl practices.
Sy  
Pep22 : 4/17/2019 3:30 pm : link
what's your feeling on Udoh? I thought he did very well during Sr Bowl week. Also seemed serious, professional, diligent in how he conducted himself. For many guys, but particularly positions where success is so dictated by technique and toughness I tend to value how guys connect with coaches and their instruction
Ummm...  
Klaatu : 4/17/2019 3:36 pm : link
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Anyway, the Giants marching Chad Wheeler out there isn’t the worst thing in the world...


No, no, there are definitely worse things in the world. War, floods, famine, disease...Star Trek: Discovery...but, come on, dude, the Giants shouldn't march Chad Wheeler anywhere except in front of a firing squad.

Okay, that was way too harsh. Sorry, Chad. Sorry BBI.

But you get my point. RT is way too important not to be given a high priority in the upcoming draft.
Jonah  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/17/2019 3:43 pm : link
isn't getting much attention as a potential pick at #6, but I'd have to think it's possible depending on how the board falls.
Taylor is my guy  
BigBlueCane : 4/17/2019 4:01 pm : link
as I have no faith in anyone from Alabama progressing or improving to be worth it.
Been waiting for this one!  
TC : 4/17/2019 4:33 pm : link
Thanks, Sy!
Cajuste...  
bw in dc : 4/17/2019 4:42 pm : link
at #6 is beyond generous. I really liked him last year but his second half this year was dreadful. Talk about someone going the wrong way.

Between you and Boylhart Jonah is looking very appealing.  
MM_in_NYC : 4/17/2019 4:43 pm : link
His lack of power is concerning to me but if you all really think his technique is that great then I would say the real way to reverse the direction of this team is go after him. Usually the top tackle goes top ~3 and if we can get him at 6, in what your grade says is not a down year, then we should do it.
I agree  
Marty866b : 4/17/2019 5:59 pm : link
On Williams. If the draft goes accordingly as most see it, the top defenders will be off the board and there is no sure fire edge guy that would have more value then our starting right tackle for the next 10 years(could move over to left when Solder is gone). Williams seems like a can't miss prospect. Unless some top defender slips, Williams should be the Giants guy.
Great stuff.....  
edavisiii : 4/17/2019 6:04 pm : link
If they go Defense and QB with the 1st 3 picks who would you target at 90?
I saw  
PaulN : 4/17/2019 6:32 pm : link
The Alabama offensive line dominated by the Clemson defensive line, that made my mind up that these guys are not elite at all.
Sy - question: what do you think happened vs. Ferrell in CFP?  
MM_in_NYC : 4/17/2019 6:35 pm : link
Ferrell took advantage of him consistently. Technique thing or exposed flaws?
RE: Max Scharping  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/17/2019 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14390398 Jay on the Island said:
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sounds like a Patriots 2nd round pick that will be a great starting RT for 10 years.

Or we overpay for with the biggest RT FA contract in history
Cody Ford  
GothamGiants : 4/17/2019 7:16 pm : link
Solder - Hernandez - Halapio - Zeitler - Ford

Wouldn't mind seeing these 5 lined up in front of Saquon on opening day
I'm sure Eli wouldn't mind either - ( New Window )
MM -Ferrell  
XBRONX : 4/17/2019 8:00 pm : link
did not dominate Williams. Dont know what you saw but many observers said Williams more than held his own in true one on one match ups in that game.
RE: Sy...all true. 8 years of.lousy OL play  
Sy'56 : 4/17/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14390357 George from PA said:
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At this point, a reliable RT is a must. My preference is with an experience pro....but if you feel a rookie can step right in...great.

It must be done.

Q: you do not actually interview, meet these players, do you?.....it is pretty much all film work? Just asking.

Thanks again


No interviews...I have been offered to get on the road and do exactly that, but this is my side gig, not a full time profession. Too many other responsibilities to get out there that often
RE: Great stuff as usual Sy  
Sy'56 : 4/17/2019 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14390364 BigBlueShock said:
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I’m also big time on the Jonah train. My question to you is, there seems to be plenty of tackles that rank pretty highly on your list, so do you think that Jonah is that much better than the rest that you’d take him at 6 and find the edge rusher at 17? You mentioned you like him at 6, so I’m just wondering how much better he is than the others that can be had at 17. I know I’m in the minority but I actually think taking Jonah at 6 makes sense if the top guys are off the board. I think an edge could be had at 17.


Playing that game can really back fire? Sure, does Quinnen Williams + Dillard provide more value than Jonah Williams + a DL like Ferrell? But in can turn in to missing out on the OT and NYG going through another year of poor OT play on both sides.

I am confident that if NYG waits until 17 to take OT, that guy likely won't be a starter right away.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 4/17/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14390388 Jay on the Island said:
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what's your feeling on Trey Pipkins. Would he be a good developmental day 3 OT for the Giants?


I like him a lot as a 1-2 year project. Higher upside than most in that discussion. Needs better pad level and lower body engagement and the jump in competition is significant.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 4/17/2019 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14390453 Pep22 said:
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what's your feeling on Udoh? I thought he did very well during Sr Bowl week. Also seemed serious, professional, diligent in how he conducted himself. For many guys, but particularly positions where success is so dictated by technique and toughness I tend to value how guys connect with coaches and their instruction


He is a good kid that I will root for. Tools are top notch, as are the intangibles. But there are significant warts in his game that the NFL really eats up. Project, but ceiling is high. Could be an Osemele caliber starter...some teams see an OG here.
RE: Great stuff.....  
Sy'56 : 4/17/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14390647 edavisiii said:
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If they go Defense and QB with the 1st 3 picks who would you target at 90?


Daley and Nijman are really interesting to me...
RE: Sy - question: what do you think happened vs. Ferrell in CFP?  
Sy'56 : 4/17/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14390686 MM_in_NYC said:
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Ferrell took advantage of him consistently. Technique thing or exposed flaws?


Wouldn't put the word consistently in there. If anything, Williams handled him really well outside of 2-3 plays. Williams got over-anxious on his outside set up, and Ferrell, who plays the game like a seasoned pro, took advantage of it. Williams ability to call on quick power is limited, and had hard time recovering on those noted plays
I’ve been beating the “Dillard at 17” drum  
The_Boss : 4/17/2019 8:44 pm : link
Since we learned we’d be getting back #17 in the Beckham trade. It makes a ton of sense.
RE: MM -Ferrell  
MM_in_NYC : 4/17/2019 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14390830 XBRONX said:
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did not dominate Williams. Dont know what you saw but many observers said Williams more than held his own in true one on one match ups in that game.


There were multiple plays. Like a WR, DE's only need to beat OT so many times to be considered to win the matchup.
Little/Risner at #37 after, D and D  
Torrag : 4/17/2019 11:04 pm : link
Call it a day.
RE: RE: Sy - question: what do you think happened vs. Ferrell in CFP?  
MM_in_NYC : 4/17/2019 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14390970 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 14390686 MM_in_NYC said:


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Ferrell took advantage of him consistently. Technique thing or exposed flaws?



Wouldn't put the word consistently in there. If anything, Williams handled him really well outside of 2-3 plays. Williams got over-anxious on his outside set up, and Ferrell, who plays the game like a seasoned pro, took advantage of it. Williams ability to call on quick power is limited, and had hard time recovering on those noted plays


That's fair. Consistently may not have been the right word. 1.5 TFL and what would have been probably 2 sacks had TT not been forced by Ferrell to dump some balls. Was a good match-up. Appreciate your response.
Some early Jonah Williams/OL discussion  
adamg : 4/18/2019 2:49 am : link
compared to now after Sy's rankings.
Way Back Machine - ( New Window )
Sy,  
Festina Lente : 4/18/2019 8:49 am : link
What do you think of people's suggestion that in addition to playing tackle, JW might be an even better OC or OG. Obviously if you get him you let him start at tackle until he fails but do you agree that he is good chance of being high caliber OC or OG?
IF so, such versatility makes him especially interesting to me. OLmen frequently get inured and having a high quality player who can fill multiple positions is quite a luxury and increases value.
Re: Dillard  
Festina Lente : 4/18/2019 8:53 am : link
I asked this of Dave Te (who loves him) but what do you think of his poor run-blocking? You don't mention it but in a team who invested so heavily in a RB, I would assume that would be a bit of question mark from a NYG perspective.
RE: Sy - question: what do you think happened vs. Ferrell in CFP?  
Dave in PA : 4/18/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14390686 MM_in_NYC said:
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Ferrell took advantage of him consistently. Technique thing or exposed flaws?
Ferrell put Williams on his ass on one play, which definitly stood out, but hardly was indicative of how that matchup went throughout the game. I thought Ferrell was relatively quiet in that game actually
The Remmers signing is all about not shopping hungry  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/18/2019 10:50 am : link
If they have someone at 17 or in the second I still expect them to get a RT. This offense can be very dangerous if they can fill that RT spot. Disappointing about the WVU guy can't say I saw him too much later in the year.
If we went #6 J. Williams and #17 Dillard, I'd be happy  
SGMen : 4/18/2019 5:40 pm : link
Why? Well, you can try both at RT in 2019 and whoever fairs better starts. You can give both work at LT in camp as well. Both can be starting OT's in 2020 with Solder either traded or cut in free agency. Not, perhaps, optimal due to attituded, money invested, etc., but BPA doesn't always jive with expectations or "norms" and such.

Bottom line: if J. Williams is there at #6 and he will be, the only question is whether he is clearly BPA at that spot. If you trade down you can't move more than a few spots and hope he is still there, right?

My gut is hoping, in truth, we get a blue-chip defender at #6 and #17 is Dillard or Taylor, God willing.
RE: Sy,  
Sy'56 : 4/18/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14391498 Festina Lente said:
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What do you think of people's suggestion that in addition to playing tackle, JW might be an even better OC or OG. Obviously if you get him you let him start at tackle until he fails but do you agree that he is good chance of being high caliber OC or OG?
IF so, such versatility makes him especially interesting to me. OLmen frequently get inured and having a high quality player who can fill multiple positions is quite a luxury and increases value.


Can Jonah play inside? Sure. Do I think you are getting Zack Martin? No. He isn't as stout but he can move a bit better. I still think this kid should play OT
RE: RE: Sy,  
Giantz_comeback : 4/19/2019 4:21 am : link
In comment 14392622 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 14391498 Festina Lente said:


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What do you think of people's suggestion that in addition to playing tackle, JW might be an even better OC or OG. Obviously if you get him you let him start at tackle until he fails but do you agree that he is good chance of being high caliber OC or OG?
IF so, such versatility makes him especially interesting to me. OLmen frequently get inured and having a high quality player who can fill multiple positions is quite a luxury and increases value.



Can Jonah play inside? Sure. Do I think you are getting Zack Martin? No. He isn't as stout but he can move a bit better. I still think this kid should play OT


Does Jonah have enough sand in his pants for RT? Think hell be an amazing LT but not really a people mover at RT (though very good in pass pro). Don't think he is a tremendous fit for NYG at this point. If we didn't have Solder that would be a different story.
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