First off, Im not going to reference "tape" watching or being a hard core college fan, but everything I have read, heard and seen of him on a college football field is outstanding. Then his movement ability at 250 at the combine was unreal. He has multiple pass rush moves. He fits our OLB position really well. Very explosive measurables.
If Q, JA, Oliver are all gone, I would love him even at 6. Even over Bosa (with whom I have big time doubts).
He is slippery and fast getting after the QB, but can drop back in coverage too.
Looks like a more versatile and polished Leonard Floyd...especially if he can play at 250.
I also would look at players like Jawaan Taylor, Greg Little, and Andre Dillard. Barring a QB, possibly a cornerback, or Devin Bush, these are the players I see the Giants taking, one or two of these guys, maybe all three even.
I know that the Simmons move would be un Giant like, they do not pick players that can't play from day 1, they passed on players like that in recent drafts. But perhaps they can take a look at the Cowboys and see if they are happy they did this a few years back? With players like Jaylon Smith, or La’el Collins, back a few years further even. Both these moves were sensational.
I think he can fit in at OLB playing at even 245. He will kill Tackles in space, but certainly my worry as well.
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last year at like 232 lbs... he did put on weight for the combine but I worry his game film is a fast speed than what he would play at 250+. At 6 no thanks... 17 I would put him in the mix for sure.
I think he can fit in at OLB playing at even 245. He will kill Tackles in space, but certainly my worry as well.
Yeah I think so also... could be a lot like Dee Ford, but not someone I want at 6... 17 sure.
Def a weird take from my standpoint too Joey. But the game has changed as has our defense. With him, we would have two young guys who fill that OLB role for a while in Carter and Burns.
Just keep in mind if youre an Allen fan, he plays the same position, has more moves, more coverage ability and similar production.
He wont make it to 17. If the 3 I mentioned are gone, I would be happy with Dex Law at 17 or him and a qb at 17.
At 6??????
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Not my type of player. I hope he's not an option at 6.
Def a weird take from my standpoint too Joey. But the game has changed as has our defense. With him, we would have two young guys who fill that OLB role for a while in Carter and Burns.
Just keep in mind if youre an Allen fan, he plays the same position, has more moves, more coverage ability and similar production.
He wont make it to 17. If the 3 I mentioned are gone, I would be happy with Dex Law at 17 or him and a qb at 17.
both 6'5, 250 at combine with nearly identical arm length/hand size
4.5 40, 36" vert, similar broad jump (Carter slightly better at 130 v 129)
(not an argument for or against Burns, just shocked at how they are nearly identical in terms of stature/measurables)
Game tape is king in this regard.
I don’t see Burns going before we pick at #17, but that’s me... Leonard Floyd went in the top ten a couple years ago, but he was more violent than Burns. Finess doesn’t work well in the NFL at certain position groups
am i crazy for actually preferring Devin Bush over White? I hate the thought of having to teach a LB "improved tackling technique" - especially when I have to take him top 5-10.
I also feel like Bush would thrive in the money backer role alongside Ogletree
Game tape is king in this regard.
Burns was more productive in college than either of those guys. Mingo was actually a disappointment his final year in college. I think people are being more conservative about Burns than they were with either of those 2 guys, hence him likely being a middle first round pick as opposed to a top of the draft guy.
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And the basketball on turf experiment ...see Barkevious Minho and Dion Jordan. You need to be able to convert speed to power. If you don’t, you struggle against grown men. The combine doesn’t capture and can’t capture power at the POA.
Game tape is king in this regard.
Burns was more productive in college than either of those guys. Mingo was actually a disappointment his final year in college. I think people are being more conservative about Burns than they were with either of those 2 guys, hence him likely being a middle first round pick as opposed to a top of the draft guy.
Agreed....awful argument against.
He plays the run pretty good. Not sure how he’s one dimensional
Give me a DL that can occupy blockers and another pass rusher - let Golden serve in a reserve/3rd down role - and this D should be better.
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Not my type of player. I hope he's not an option at 6.
Def a weird take from my standpoint too Joey. But the game has changed as has our defense. With him, we would have two young guys who fill that OLB role for a while in Carter and Burns.
Just keep in mind if youre an Allen fan, he plays the same position, has more moves, more coverage ability and similar production.
He wont make it to 17. If the 3 I mentioned are gone, I would be happy with Dex Law at 17 or him and a qb at 17.
I think Carter is similar and we need a more stout guy on the strong side. I am not a huge Allen fan, I like Sweat better there. You have a conviction though, I dig that.
Joey...youre a smart football fan and Ive noticed this. But Strong side? If we have 3-4 as part of our base, shouldnt we have interchangeable parts? As far as I know there is no strong side in 3-4 looks.
He plays the run pretty good. Not sure how he’s one dimensional
He can run things down and make spin moves to avoid blockers, but there's no power aspect to his ability to stop the run (or rush the passer). That's what I mean by one dimensional... the dimension is purely speed and athleticism based.
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He plays the run pretty good. Not sure how he’s one dimensional
He can run things down and make spin moves to avoid blockers, but there's no power aspect to his ability to stop the run (or rush the passer). That's what I mean by one dimensional... the dimension is purely speed and athleticism based.
Stopping the run isn’t all about power. It’s about football IQ and setting the edge in today’s game.
Very weird take....especially if he is targeted as OLB where hed be perfect
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Biggest bust potential besides Devin White in the top 20 IMO
am i crazy for actually preferring Devin Bush over White? I hate the thought of having to teach a LB "improved tackling technique" - especially when I have to take him top 5-10.
I also feel like Bush would thrive in the money backer role alongside Ogletree
I feel the same way regarding Bush>White and a few major heads in the industry too. I wouldnt be surprised if Bush goes before White honestly