Imagine the draft goes like this (it's very likely):
1) KYLER MURRAY
2) NICK BOSA
3) JOSH ALLEN
4) QUINNEN WILLIAMS
5) DEVIN WHITE
6)
Who do you feel comfortable taking here? Ok, lets say the Giants decide that Ed Oliver has an instant starting roll. They decide to make BJ Hill the backup. Oliver is undersized, but Aaron Donald is too and if your body frame is similar to Aaron Donald you can suddenly perform as well as him. Yadda yadda yadda.
You want high impact players who are constantly on the field with a pick this high. Who else is in contention in this draft slot? Besides Murray, all defensive players were selected. Do you consider an OT like Williams and Taylor. Basically building a monster OL so that Barkley becomes an instant hall of famer (think of Emmitt Smith's OL) and the line is built for the next Giant QB, or do you take some other forms of risk? Do you gamble with Montez Sweat, Rashan Gary, etc. In this scenario we say that Haskins is not a consideration. The Giants want their future QB to have mobility and he doesn't have any. So who's at the top of your board in this awful situation?
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In comment 14390867 BSIMatt said:
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
If Hockenson ends up being the next Gronk as many have compared him to I don’t give a shit if we have 5 TE’s already on the roster and drafted him. Engram is basically a WR who sometimes plays TE and Ellison could be cut tomorrow if we drafted Hockenson. Remember the Patriots when they had Gronkowski and Hernandez before he went crazy. They were both amazing in that offense.
Proof: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/o.j.-howard?id=2557856
Hockenson: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/t.j.-hockenson?id=3219484f-4342-2041-c442-6c874885b155
Mike Mayock helped with the draft grades on NFL.com in that year for Howard.
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In comment 14390873 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:
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In comment 14390867 BSIMatt said:
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
If Hockenson ends up being the next Gronk as many have compared him to I don’t give a shit if we have 5 TE’s already on the roster and drafted him. Engram is basically a WR who sometimes plays TE and Ellison could be cut tomorrow if we drafted Hockenson. Remember the Patriots when they had Gronkowski and Hernandez before he went crazy. They were both amazing in that offense.
Next Gronk? lol. OJ Howard had a higher draft grade than Hockenson and he was drafted 19th overall.
Proof: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/o.j.-howard?id=2557856
Hockenson: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/t.j.-hockenson?id=3219484f-4342-2041-c442-6c874885b155
Mike Mayock helped with the draft grades on NFL.com in that year for Howard.
and OJ Howard was elite this year, so I'll gladly take another version of him too.
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Would you pass on Tony Gonzalez because you have Rhett Ellison? If you have him rated that high ( and I don't know that they do) I say take him and figure it out later IF you think he is going to be that good.
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In comment 14390873 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:
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In comment 14390867 BSIMatt said:
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
If Hockenson ends up being the next Gronk as many have compared him to I don’t give a shit if we have 5 TE’s already on the roster and drafted him. Engram is basically a WR who sometimes plays TE and Ellison could be cut tomorrow if we drafted Hockenson. Remember the Patriots when they had Gronkowski and Hernandez before he went crazy. They were both amazing in that offense.
Next Gronk? lol. OJ Howard had a higher draft grade than Hockenson and he was drafted 19th overall.
Proof: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/o.j.-howard?id=2557856
Hockenson: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/t.j.-hockenson?id=3219484f-4342-2041-c442-6c874885b155
Mike Mayock helped with the draft grades on NFL.com in that year for Howard.
and OJ Howard was elite this year, so I'll gladly take another version of him too.
Heh.
Hockenson, Devin Bush/Dexter Lawrence at 17, and Jaylon Ferguson @ 37 is not a bad haul either ...
this draft is beyond loaded on defense - especially with help in the front 7. They don't "have to" go defense [I think they should, just pointing out the depth at their disposal]
You build a board based on talent and need. That's how Gentlemen drafts.
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if that’s Hockenson then you take him. Very simple.
That's just stupid. No one drafts like that but the Philadelphia 76ers. They have 2 centers. Lets draft a 3rd center! (Jahlil Okafor when they had Joel Embiid and that other center (can't think of his name)).
You build a board based on talent and need. That's how Gentlemen drafts.
Have a look at the 2013 1st Rd... FAR from a science.
BTW, that reminds me.. Who is Cynthia Fruland banging on the NFLN? Great to look at, but analysts in projecting success? GTFOH
2013 1st rd - ( New Window )
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In comment 14390873 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:
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In comment 14390867 BSIMatt said:
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
If Hockenson ends up being the next Gronk as many have compared him to I don’t give a shit if we have 5 TE’s already on the roster and drafted him. Engram is basically a WR who sometimes plays TE and Ellison could be cut tomorrow if we drafted Hockenson. Remember the Patriots when they had Gronkowski and Hernandez before he went crazy. They were both amazing in that offense.
Next Gronk? lol. OJ Howard had a higher draft grade than Hockenson and he was drafted 19th overall.
Proof: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/o.j.-howard?id=2557856
Hockenson: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/t.j.-hockenson?id=3219484f-4342-2041-c442-6c874885b155
Mike Mayock helped with the draft grades on NFL.com in that year for Howard.
and OJ Howard was elite this year, so I'll gladly take another version of him too.
Evan Engram had a better year than OJ Howard. Sorry, kid. Engram played in 1 game more than OJ Howard yet he had 11 more catches. Engram has been far better than OJ Howard has. He apparently has a QB throwing to him that is way past his prime too. Like he shouldn't be putting up these kinds of numbers with a dinosaur QB. OJ Howard has the former 1st overall QB Jameis Winston to throwing to him.
Heh.
1. Engram also has the former 1st overall QB throwing to him too
2. OJ Howard's QB was benched repeatedly throughout the year.
3. OJ Howard had more TDs in less games than Engram
4. OJ Howard graded out as the #2 overall TE in the league last year by people who actually watch players instead of just googling statistics
"Heh".
OJ Howard - pretty good - ( New Window )
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Why is it that people think that any new user who posts has to be a dupe? Do you guys have multiple accounts or something? This is the first time I've been here. You guys are acting quite strange. Do you never get new users here or something? Is there anything I should be aware of? Are you guys rejects from another forum or something?
No, you are a reject from this forum.
Get a life.
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Why is it that people think that any new user who posts has to be a dupe? Do you guys have multiple accounts or something? This is the first time I've been here. You guys are acting quite strange. Do you never get new users here or something? Is there anything I should be aware of? Are you guys rejects from another forum or something?
Perfect, moderators, he just called us all rejects, ban hammer time.
So it looks like this:
1) NICK BOSA
2) JOSH ALLEN
3) QUINNEN WILLIAMS
4) ED OLIVER
5) DEVIN WHITE
Take Murray!
6)
The obvious idea would be to trade out. But lets say for argument sake you can't trade out. You have to take someone. You can't take a QB. The Giants have decided they don't feel good about this QB class.
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This is the first time I've ever been on this website. Stop it. Just because someone has a sweet sweet user name doesn't mean you need to hate him for it because you wish you had it.
LOL! How would you know what a dupe was if this was your first time here?
GO AWAY!
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is basically like adding an extra OT to your run game ... his blocking alone is 1st round worthy.
Oh God no, that's the same failed logic that got Jerry Reach fired. "Yeah yeah, everyone says that Ereck Flowers is a bust and we need offensive line help... but hear me out. What if we sign Rhett Ellison INSTEAD of drafting offensive line talent! He's one of the highest rated TE blockers in football. Surely, that will solve our OL woes!". Then Jerry Reach was fired shortly after that.
No, what got Mr. “Reach” (clever) fired was the stupidity of drafting players like Flowers top 10 in the first place and bookending him with an even worse Bobby Hart - to this day the worst OL tandem I’ve ever seen. Mark Bavaro couldn’t have saved those 2 ... not to mention Hockenson projects as much better than Rhett Ellison ... good night
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Do you watch football? Do you know anything about our team and Hockenson? You see how many times we were in 2 TE sets? Just give up man.
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This is the first time I've ever been on this website. Stop it. Just because someone has a sweet sweet user name doesn't mean you need to hate him for it because you wish you had it.
LOL! How would you know what a dupe was if this was your first time here?
GO AWAY!
Lets stick to the thread at hand. You guys can have your "dupe" hard on accusations later. Start a thread and gossip away. Compare my IP address to every user past and present on this board and it won't match. But I must be an NSA member who is circumventing that with technology that costs thousands of dollar so that I can post on Giant forums with new IPs every time. Pass me the tin foil hat fellas!
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In comment 14390867 BSIMatt said:
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Do you watch football? Do you know anything about our team and Hockenson? You see how many times we were in 2 TE sets? Just give up man.
What weird fucking story are we going to hear about your family?
Or is your Uncle/Father locked up in jail for abusing the elderly.
When will it end!
What weird fucking story are we going to hear about your family?
Or is your Uncle/Father locked up in jail for abusing the elderly.
When will it end!
Absolutely
2) NICK BOSA
3) JOSH ALLEN
4) QUINNEN WILLIAMS
5) DEVIN WHITE
Plenty of quality talent left for us at #6 in that scenario. I'd be very excited to Draft Oliver, Bush or Sweat in that instance. And if the FO has a conviction on a QB at #6 that works too.
Absolutely
That would apparently be a ridiculous thing to do, since we already have well-paid plsyers on the roster at each of those positions.
This feels a lot like 1996 when it was a 4 player draft and we were sitting at 5 and wound up with Cedric "Cyclops" Jones.
This one seems like a 5 player draft and we are sitting at 6... Get the hell out of there, and do it sooner rather than later. I think the Giants lose leverage once they are on the clock.
There is a clear dropoff after the top 5. The next group of players all seem to grade out similarly until the next dropoff around 15...
Neither of the Giant's picks are well situated...
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This is the first time I've ever been on this website. Stop it. Just because someone has a sweet sweet user name doesn't mean you need to hate him for it because you wish you had it.
You say, this is the first time on this website, but you're an absolute liar. The moniker 'Jerry Reach' was coined on this website a long time ago, yet you use it
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In comment 14390961 GothamGiants said:
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is basically like adding an extra OT to your run game ... his blocking alone is 1st round worthy.
Oh God no, that's the same failed logic that got Jerry Reach fired. "Yeah yeah, everyone says that Ereck Flowers is a bust and we need offensive line help...
So who really are you???
Do you really think that you know who will be picked ahead of us?
Do you really think that you know the values of the top players in the draft or even know who they are?
Do you really think that regardless of who we pick that we are going to get a bunch of starters who will move us from 5-13 to 13-5 in one year, or that this would happen if we were to draft in the 3rd or 4th slot instead of the 6th?
Do you really think that if there is no good player at 6, or that the rest of the League will stop drafting first rounders 7-32 and paying them millions of dollars?
Puhleese!