Imagine the draft goes like this (it's very likely):
1) KYLER MURRAY
2) NICK BOSA
3) JOSH ALLEN
4) QUINNEN WILLIAMS
5) DEVIN WHITE
6)
Who do you feel comfortable taking here? Ok, lets say the Giants decide that Ed Oliver has an instant starting roll. They decide to make BJ Hill the backup. Oliver is undersized, but Aaron Donald is too and if your body frame is similar to Aaron Donald you can suddenly perform as well as him. Yadda yadda yadda.
You want high impact players who are constantly on the field with a pick this high. Who else is in contention in this draft slot? Besides Murray, all defensive players were selected. Do you consider an OT like Williams and Taylor. Basically building a monster OL so that Barkley becomes an instant hall of famer (think of Emmitt Smith's OL) and the line is built for the next Giant QB, or do you take some other forms of risk? Do you gamble with Montez Sweat, Rashan Gary, etc. In this scenario we say that Haskins is not a consideration. The Giants want their future QB to have mobility and he doesn't have any. So who's at the top of your board in this awful situation?
2 - Bush
We will get a player at 6.
2 - Bush
We will get a player at 6.
2 - Bush
We will get a player at 6.
Imagine if we got one of those guys at 6 and the other at 17. It would be known as the year of the Sweaty Bush
So it looks like this:
1) NICK BOSA
2) JOSH ALLEN
3) QUINNEN WILLIAMS
4) ED OLIVER
5) DEVIN WHITE
6)
The obvious idea would be to trade out. But lets say for argument sake you can't trade out. You have to take someone. You can't take a QB. The Giants have decided they don't feel good about this QB class.
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1- Sweat
2 - Bush
We will get a player at 6.
Do you have any sources showing Bush being ranked as a top 10 player. If not, wouldn't you consider that reaching? If you are making a big board and you have to select a guy ranked around #15 at pick 6 isn't that a Jerry Reach? (for you Jerry Reese fans)
What sources? The draft is subjective & the biggest crapshoot as they come... Do i need Daniel Jeremiah to legitimize my preference??? FUCK NO! I see a productive FOOTBALL PLAYER in Bush... If the draft rolls as suggested, then I would consider Bush.
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1- Sweat
2 - Bush
We will get a player at 6.
Imagine if we got one of those guys at 6 and the other at 17. It would be known as the year of the Sweaty Bush
lolololol
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In comment 14390822 Jim Bur(n)t said:
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1- Sweat
2 - Bush
We will get a player at 6.
Do you have any sources showing Bush being ranked as a top 10 player. If not, wouldn't you consider that reaching? If you are making a big board and you have to select a guy ranked around #15 at pick 6 isn't that a Jerry Reach? (for you Jerry Reese fans)
What sources? The draft is subjective & the biggest crapshoot as they come... Do i need Daniel Jeremiah to legitimize my preference??? FUCK NO! I see a productive FOOTBALL PLAYER in Bush... If the draft rolls as suggested, then I would consider Bush.
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In comment 14390827 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:
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In comment 14390822 Jim Bur(n)t said:
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1- Sweat
2 - Bush
We will get a player at 6.
Do you have any sources showing Bush being ranked as a top 10 player. If not, wouldn't you consider that reaching? If you are making a big board and you have to select a guy ranked around #15 at pick 6 isn't that a Jerry Reach? (for you Jerry Reese fans)
What sources? The draft is subjective & the biggest crapshoot as they come... Do i need Daniel Jeremiah to legitimize my preference??? FUCK NO! I see a productive FOOTBALL PLAYER in Bush... If the draft rolls as suggested, then I would consider Bush.
Well, it just reminds me of the Giants drafting Ereck Flowers. Where you are saying to yourself? Who!? Because you have been looking at NFL draft guides and NO ONE had Ereck Flowers graded that high. Then you see him play and you understand why. You needed to have a pair of Jerry Reach googles on.
Dude... Brady - 6th Rd, Wilson - 3rd Rd, Montana - 3rdRd, Kamara - 3rd Rd... Do i need to list the abundance of 1st rounders who shit the bed? Look at the 2012 Draft ALONE.
"A free man thinks for himself". :)
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
3rd TE? He would be at the top of the depth chart when we deal Engram on Day 2.
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
If Hockenson ends up being the next Gronk as many have compared him to I don’t give a shit if we have 5 TE’s already on the roster and drafted him. Engram is basically a WR who sometimes plays TE and Ellison could be cut tomorrow if we drafted Hockenson. Remember the Patriots when they had Gronkowski and Hernandez before he went crazy. They were both amazing in that offense.
Kinda like herpes
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In comment 14390867 BSIMatt said:
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
3rd TE? He would be at the top of the depth chart when we deal Engram on Day 2.
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Hockenson is not just a "3rd tight end" - he instantly upgrades the run game with his blocking prowess while freeing up Engram to be used more creatively ... and he's a receiving weapon himself. Also makes Ellison expendable
Hock - ( New Window )
Going into this season he was the highest rated player
During the season he was downgraded due to insubordination with his coaches
However, his physical attributes and testing were off the charts
So he is rising again
I have read that he will not get passed Oakland
I doubt he will be available but the Giants will have a choice of White and
Murray, Bosa, Q. Williams, Oliver, White, Allen
I see Josh Allen dropping to thd Guants
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In comment 14390867 BSIMatt said:
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
If Hockenson ends up being the next Gronk as many have compared him to I don’t give a shit if we have 5 TE’s already on the roster and drafted him. Engram is basically a WR who sometimes plays TE and Ellison could be cut tomorrow if we drafted Hockenson. Remember the Patriots when they had Gronkowski and Hernandez before he went crazy. They were both amazing in that offense.
Proof: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/o.j.-howard?id=2557856
Hockenson: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/t.j.-hockenson?id=3219484f-4342-2041-c442-6c874885b155
Mike Mayock helped with the draft grades on NFL.com in that year for Howard.
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In comment 14390873 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:
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In comment 14390867 BSIMatt said:
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
If Hockenson ends up being the next Gronk as many have compared him to I don’t give a shit if we have 5 TE’s already on the roster and drafted him. Engram is basically a WR who sometimes plays TE and Ellison could be cut tomorrow if we drafted Hockenson. Remember the Patriots when they had Gronkowski and Hernandez before he went crazy. They were both amazing in that offense.
Next Gronk? lol. OJ Howard had a higher draft grade than Hockenson and he was drafted 19th overall.
Proof: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/o.j.-howard?id=2557856
Hockenson: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/t.j.-hockenson?id=3219484f-4342-2041-c442-6c874885b155
Mike Mayock helped with the draft grades on NFL.com in that year for Howard.
and OJ Howard was elite this year, so I'll gladly take another version of him too.
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Would you pass on Tony Gonzalez because you have Rhett Ellison? If you have him rated that high ( and I don't know that they do) I say take him and figure it out later IF you think he is going to be that good.
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In comment 14390888 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 14390873 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:
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In comment 14390867 BSIMatt said:
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
If Hockenson ends up being the next Gronk as many have compared him to I don’t give a shit if we have 5 TE’s already on the roster and drafted him. Engram is basically a WR who sometimes plays TE and Ellison could be cut tomorrow if we drafted Hockenson. Remember the Patriots when they had Gronkowski and Hernandez before he went crazy. They were both amazing in that offense.
Next Gronk? lol. OJ Howard had a higher draft grade than Hockenson and he was drafted 19th overall.
Proof: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/o.j.-howard?id=2557856
Hockenson: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/t.j.-hockenson?id=3219484f-4342-2041-c442-6c874885b155
Mike Mayock helped with the draft grades on NFL.com in that year for Howard.
and OJ Howard was elite this year, so I'll gladly take another version of him too.
Heh.
Hockenson, Devin Bush/Dexter Lawrence at 17, and Jaylon Ferguson @ 37 is not a bad haul either ...
this draft is beyond loaded on defense - especially with help in the front 7. They don't "have to" go defense [I think they should, just pointing out the depth at their disposal]
You build a board based on talent and need. That's how Gentlemen drafts.
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if that’s Hockenson then you take him. Very simple.
That's just stupid. No one drafts like that but the Philadelphia 76ers. They have 2 centers. Lets draft a 3rd center! (Jahlil Okafor when they had Joel Embiid and that other center (can't think of his name)).
You build a board based on talent and need. That's how Gentlemen drafts.
Have a look at the 2013 1st Rd... FAR from a science.
BTW, that reminds me.. Who is Cynthia Fruland banging on the NFLN? Great to look at, but analysts in projecting success? GTFOH
2013 1st rd - ( New Window )
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In comment 14390888 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 14390873 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:
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In comment 14390867 BSIMatt said:
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Offensive tackle.
Really? You think the Giants need a 3rd Tight End? That's the solution to our woes? We are set to start winning because what we really needed was a 3rd tight end?
Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.
If Hockenson ends up being the next Gronk as many have compared him to I don’t give a shit if we have 5 TE’s already on the roster and drafted him. Engram is basically a WR who sometimes plays TE and Ellison could be cut tomorrow if we drafted Hockenson. Remember the Patriots when they had Gronkowski and Hernandez before he went crazy. They were both amazing in that offense.
Next Gronk? lol. OJ Howard had a higher draft grade than Hockenson and he was drafted 19th overall.
Proof: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/o.j.-howard?id=2557856
Hockenson: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/t.j.-hockenson?id=3219484f-4342-2041-c442-6c874885b155
Mike Mayock helped with the draft grades on NFL.com in that year for Howard.
and OJ Howard was elite this year, so I'll gladly take another version of him too.
Evan Engram had a better year than OJ Howard. Sorry, kid. Engram played in 1 game more than OJ Howard yet he had 11 more catches. Engram has been far better than OJ Howard has. He apparently has a QB throwing to him that is way past his prime too. Like he shouldn't be putting up these kinds of numbers with a dinosaur QB. OJ Howard has the former 1st overall QB Jameis Winston to throwing to him.
Heh.
1. Engram also has the former 1st overall QB throwing to him too
2. OJ Howard's QB was benched repeatedly throughout the year.
3. OJ Howard had more TDs in less games than Engram
4. OJ Howard graded out as the #2 overall TE in the league last year by people who actually watch players instead of just googling statistics
"Heh".
OJ Howard - pretty good - ( New Window )