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Jordan Raanan's thoughts on Giants plans

GFAN52 : 4/17/2019 8:39 pm
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What they're most likely to do: Defense at No. 6 and move up a few spots from No. 17 to land Lock. Maybe it's to 12 in a trade with the Packers or 13 with the Dolphins. The price shouldn't be too steep, and it would give the Giants hope for the future. They know the pressure is on to find Eli Manning's successor, and the fan base is restless. Getting the next franchise quarterback on the roster provides hope. The organization needs some positive momentum right now. -- Jordan Raanan
I think that’s the plan too, but I think it’s Jones  
Sean : 4/17/2019 8:41 pm : link
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Meh, def at #6 and  
section125 : 4/17/2019 8:42 pm : link
Def at #17 and OL at #37....They are not moving up unless they can do it for some 4s and 5s....They have so many needs that cannot piss away high draft picks.
I'm not that restless.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/17/2019 8:43 pm : link
I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.
Most fans I know  
GothamGiants : 4/17/2019 8:43 pm : link
don't want QB this year so now they'll give in this perceived pressure and trade up for a QB?

i expect some draft day trades, but on day 2-3 to move up for specific targets. i don't expect them to use all of their draft picks ... move up in round 3/4/5 for guys they like and then call it a day
RE: I'm not that restless.  
The_Boss : 4/17/2019 8:46 pm : link
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.


Agree.
Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.
This would be ideal  
Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2019 8:46 pm : link
I think we'd have to move up a bit higher if we wanted Lock, but I'm fine with that.

Get me a Defender at 6 and Lock in a trade up and I'm happier then a pig in shit.
RE: I'm not that restless.  
crooza172 : 4/17/2019 8:47 pm : link
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.


This is just stupid. You don’t wait until next year and trade up. Who the hell says top 3 or 4 overall picks won’t tell you to F off as they take all the elite guys in front of you?!
Hey Jordan  
rasbutant : 4/17/2019 8:47 pm : link
This fan is good with Eli.

Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.


If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.
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Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2019 8:48 pm : link
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.



Agree.
Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.


Most Giants fans want a QB in the first round.
RE: Hey Jordan  
Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14390989 rasbutant said:
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This fan is good with Eli.

Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.


If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.


LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/17/2019 8:49 pm : link
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This is just stupid. You don’t wait until next year and trade up. Who the hell says top 3 or 4 overall picks won’t tell you to F off as they take all the elite guys in front of you?!


That's a possibility, but it rarely happens that a team can't trade up to get a QB. You just have to be willing to pay the price.
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GFAN52 : 4/17/2019 8:51 pm : link
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This is just stupid. You don’t wait until next year and trade up. Who the hell says top 3 or 4 overall picks won’t tell you to F off as they take all the elite guys in front of you?!



That's a possibility, but it rarely happens that a team can't trade up to get a QB. You just have to be willing to pay the price.


Depends on where the Giants finish and how much of their future picks they'd have to mortgage to move up.
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The_Boss : 4/17/2019 8:51 pm : link
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.



Agree.
Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.



Most Giants fans want a QB in the first round.


Not the ones I know. Most realize these QB’s this year aren’t very good. Some are Eli disciples. Essentially, it’s like real life BBI.
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Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2019 8:52 pm : link
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This is just stupid. You don’t wait until next year and trade up. Who the hell says top 3 or 4 overall picks won’t tell you to F off as they take all the elite guys in front of you?!



That's a possibility, but it rarely happens that a team can't trade up to get a QB. You just have to be willing to pay the price.


Yeah you can. Whose to say next years class is better? Everybody said the 2017 class wasn't good and they should wait until 2018. Well Trubisky was 11-3. Mahomes is the MVP and best QB in the league and Watson is going to be a superstar.
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crooza172 : 4/17/2019 8:52 pm : link
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This is just stupid. You don’t wait until next year and trade up. Who the hell says top 3 or 4 overall picks won’t tell you to F off as they take all the elite guys in front of you?!



That's a possibility, but it rarely happens that a team can't trade up to get a QB. You just have to be willing to pay the price.


Point is, assumptions make an ass out of u and me. Can’t do it. You take the guy when you can and we are in prime position.
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AcidTest : 4/17/2019 8:52 pm : link
agree it's defense at #6, but I think that the price to move up to get Lock or Jones will be too high, especially given all the needs of this team. The only exception would be if Jones somehow fell to at least #15.

Lock and Haskins will likely go #10 and #11, maybe higher if teams are willing to trade into the top 10. If not, remember that Miami needs a QB. The argument that they are "tanking for Tua" is ridiculous. Washington also needs a QB. It will cost #37 and probably more to ensure the Giants get one of these players.
Murray,  
AcidTest : 4/17/2019 8:53 pm : link
Lock, Haskins, and Jones are all being overvalued, which is common with QBs. It's a function of desperation.
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Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2019 8:54 pm : link
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.



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Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.



Most Giants fans want a QB in the first round.



Not the ones I know. Most realize these QB’s this year aren’t very good. Some are Eli disciples. Essentially, it’s like real life BBI.


Most fans aren't very smart. Just go on other Giants boards or Twitter. They want to draft a QB just to draft a QB.

I happen to like some of these guys QB. Especially Lock. Think he's gonna be a star.
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crooza172 : 4/17/2019 8:55 pm : link
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.



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Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.



Most Giants fans want a QB in the first round.



Not the ones I know. Most realize these QB’s this year aren’t very good. Some are Eli disciples. Essentially, it’s like real life BBI.



Most fans aren't very smart. Just go on other Giants boards or Twitter. They want to draft a QB just to draft a QB.

I happen to like some of these guys QB. Especially Lock. Think he's gonna be a star.


Lock is my guy at six unless Q or Allen is on the board.
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Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2019 8:56 pm : link
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agree it's defense at #6, but I think that the price to move up to get Lock or Jones will be too high, especially given all the needs of this team. The only exception would be if Jones somehow fell to at least #15.

Lock and Haskins will likely go #10 and #11, maybe higher if teams are willing to trade into the top 10. If not, remember that Miami needs a QB. The argument that they are "tanking for Tua" is ridiculous. Washington also needs a QB. It will cost #37 and probably more to ensure the Giants get one of these players.


Some people don't think the Broncos or Bengals take a QB. The Bengals have only brought in 1 QB this year. That was Ryan Finley. Very hard to believe they draft a QB they didn't have a private workout or top 30 visit with.
Can’t listen to relentless fans  
DonnieD89 : 4/17/2019 8:56 pm : link
just to get a QB. It needs to be the right QB. If they really like the QB at a particular spot, then you go for it. Listening to bumbling fans that don’t understand the value of the QB not lining up with the value of the pick is ridiculous. DG should not give a shit about relentless fans. He will let the draft come to him and make the move if he values that quarterback.
RE: Can’t listen to relentless fans  
Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2019 9:01 pm : link
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just to get a QB. It needs to be the right QB. If they really like the QB at a particular spot, then you go for it. Listening to bumbling fans that don’t understand the value of the QB not lining up with the value of the pick is ridiculous. DG should not give a shit about relentless fans. He will let the draft come to him and make the move if he values that quarterback.


I think Ranaan including the part about the fans is dumb. Gettleman obviously doesn't care. He drafted a RB at 2 last year and traded away our most popular player. Gettleman does know we need a QB though. They can lie to us as much as they want saying Eli can still play, but their actions speak much louder. If Eli could still play for multiple years he'd have an extension and you wouldn't be sending all of the top decision makers to every QBs Pro Day.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/17/2019 9:04 pm : link
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Yeah you can. Whose to say next years class is better? Everybody said the 2017 class wasn't good and they should wait until 2018. Well Trubisky was 11-3. Mahomes is the MVP and best QB in the league and Watson is going to be a superstar.


I'm giving you my opinion. Perhaps the Giants really like one of these QBs. (Although if they did, rational thinking would dictate they select that player with #6 as opposed to hoping he drops, then trading up.)

Using "the restlessness of fans" as an excuse to draft one of these QBs is foolish. I think the depth and quality of next year's QB class is worth waiting for and using additional resources to choose the QB of the future. Using additional resources to draft one of these guys isn't something I would do and I like Drew Lock.
I think Ranaan might have setup a dupe  
eric2425ny : 4/17/2019 9:05 pm : link
as turnyourheadandcoughlin today.
Sounds like he is reading BBI  
ZogZerg : 4/17/2019 9:08 pm : link
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I have been a Giant fan for 50 years  
Chip : 4/17/2019 9:09 pm : link
I don't want a QB. Defense is a must and these QBs are all overvalued on this board.
Count me as another who's not restless  
barens : 4/17/2019 9:11 pm : link
for another QB, especially if the ranking doesn't equate to the pick.
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AcidTest : 4/17/2019 9:12 pm : link
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agree it's defense at #6, but I think that the price to move up to get Lock or Jones will be too high, especially given all the needs of this team. The only exception would be if Jones somehow fell to at least #15.

Lock and Haskins will likely go #10 and #11, maybe higher if teams are willing to trade into the top 10. If not, remember that Miami needs a QB. The argument that they are "tanking for Tua" is ridiculous. Washington also needs a QB. It will cost #37 and probably more to ensure the Giants get one of these players.



Some people don't think the Broncos or Bengals take a QB. The Bengals have only brought in 1 QB this year. That was Ryan Finley. Very hard to believe they draft a QB they didn't have a private workout or top 30 visit with.


Possible, but I still think trading up for Lock will require at least moving up to #9 just to be sure. Haskins and Jones probably to #10 or #11. If the Giants want to move up from #17, they should first move down from #6. As I've said, I'd pass on all these QBs. If one fell to the Giants at #17, they should auction the pick to the highest bidder.
Has Ranaan ever been right about the draft?  
Breeze_94 : 4/17/2019 9:14 pm : link
besides about being adamant they wouldn't take Njoku?

RE: Has Ranaan ever been right about the draft?  
Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2019 9:21 pm : link
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besides about being adamant they wouldn't take Njoku?


He was the first one who called Flowers. He was the one who said we wanted Conklin & Floyd.
I just can't see them taking a QB in the 1st round  
jlukes : 4/17/2019 9:27 pm : link
Unless it's at 6

If Gettleman thinks a guy is a franchise QB, he won't be cute about it and hope he drops to a certain point
This is the year to take a quarterback IF management believes  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 4/17/2019 9:29 pm : link
that the one they choose can win a championship. This year we have the draft position and the "draft assets" to be the 2nd team to choose a quarterback.

God forbid they win two or three more games next year and hold the fifteenth pick, moving up to grab a QB will for starters cost the 2021 1st pick and they still might be no better than the fourth team to pick a QB. (Unless Gettleman trades Barkley for more first rounders.) (joke, I hope).

Also the ability to have Eli mentor the rookie will be gone.

But if management doesn't believe any of those available this year can win a championship, then we have to take our chances next year, unless we trade.
RE: RE: I'm not that restless.  
Giants38 : 4/17/2019 9:31 pm : link
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.



This is just stupid. You don’t wait until next year and trade up. Who the hell says top 3 or 4 overall picks won’t tell you to F off as they take all the elite guys in front of you?!


I agree with you. Why do people not get that trading up next year is not just that simple? The same people ironically also believe we'll win 8 games, which will put us way out of range for next year's QBs.
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Peppers : 4/17/2019 9:38 pm : link
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.



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Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.



Most Giants fans want a QB in the first round.



Not the ones I know. Most realize these QB’s this year aren’t very good. Some are Eli disciples. Essentially, it’s like real life BBI.


The preconceived notion that this years QB class isn't any good is just not close to reality. Before Murray and Haskins sprouted maybe you can make that argument.. But with those two this class is much better than it was originally thought to be. I was told this QB class has a type for everyone. Forget rankings. How these QBs come off the board will come down to their fit in the scheme and philosophy. Pay closer attention to that if you want to project how these guys come off the board.

Sorry Jordan...  
morrison40 : 4/17/2019 10:04 pm : link
“Hope” is not a strategy, if you are not in love with a QB in rd1...move on
RE: Hey Jordan  
joeinpa : 4/17/2019 10:21 pm : link
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This fan is good with Eli.

Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.


If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.


Except those teams have had a bit more success over the past 7 years
Wonder how many of  
joeinpa : 4/17/2019 10:24 pm : link
You guys weren’t restless for a quarterback when Mahomes came out
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Johnny5 : 4/17/2019 10:25 pm : link
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This fan is good with Eli.

Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.


If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.



LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.

They have far better OL and established offenses and coaching staffs you meant to say.
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GothamGiants : 4/17/2019 10:31 pm : link
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This fan is good with Eli.

Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.


If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.



LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.


They have far better OL and established offenses and coaching staffs you meant to say.


This is basically what I was getting at in my Haskins thread post about the “franchise QB”. Brees is excellent, but put Eli in a dome with that OL/run game and pretty good defense and he’s magically a playoff QB too.

QB matters, but the supporting cast is just as important. When your D and run game are good, even guys like Dak can “win”.
I’d rather trade for Rosen  
KWALL2 : 4/17/2019 10:50 pm : link
If we could do it and keep #17.

But I’d like a pass rusher at 6 (Sweat) and Lock. I’d be very happy with that combo.
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Scuzzlebutt : 4/17/2019 10:59 pm : link
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This fan is good with Eli.

Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.


If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.



LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.


They have far better OL and established offenses and coaching staffs you meant to say.



This is basically what I was getting at in my Haskins thread post about the “franchise QB”. Brees is excellent, but put Eli in a dome with that OL/run game and pretty good defense and he’s magically a playoff QB too.

QB matters, but the supporting cast is just as important. When your D and run game are good, even guys like Dak can “win”.


+1 ... football is the ultimate team sport
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Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2019 11:05 pm : link
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This fan is good with Eli.

Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.


If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.



LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.


They have far better OL and established offenses and coaching staffs you meant to say.



This is basically what I was getting at in my Haskins thread post about the “franchise QB”. Brees is excellent, but put Eli in a dome with that OL/run game and pretty good defense and he’s magically a playoff QB too.

QB matters, but the supporting cast is just as important. When your D and run game are good, even guys like Dak can “win”.


Drew Brees threw for 32 TDs and 5 INTs with a 115 QB rating.

Eli has NEVER had a 115 QB rating. In fact he's never even had a 95 QB rating.

In a full season he's NEVER had less then 10 INTs

He's had more then 31 TDs exactly 1 time in his 15 year career. So let's not act like he could do any of those things at 38 years old.
Jordan  
BBelle21 : 4/17/2019 11:09 pm : link
loves to act like he knows this fanbase. He doesn’t.
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Johnny5 : 4/17/2019 11:34 pm : link
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This fan is good with Eli.

Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.


If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.



LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.


They have far better OL and established offenses and coaching staffs you meant to say.



This is basically what I was getting at in my Haskins thread post about the “franchise QB”. Brees is excellent, but put Eli in a dome with that OL/run game and pretty good defense and he’s magically a playoff QB too.

QB matters, but the supporting cast is just as important. When your D and run game are good, even guys like Dak can “win”.



Drew Brees threw for 32 TDs and 5 INTs with a 115 QB rating.

Eli has NEVER had a 115 QB rating. In fact he's never even had a 95 QB rating.

In a full season he's NEVER had less then 10 INTs

He's had more then 31 TDs exactly 1 time in his 15 year career. So let's not act like he could do any of those things at 38 years old.

He also has one more SB ring (and one more SB MVP) than Brees.
another Gman fan of 50 years...and  
dee-fense : 4/18/2019 12:07 am : link
I know the end is near but I love all you guys who see Eli can still win...plays outside in NY...god damn I love that guy...so looking forward to seeing him kick some butt in 2019....and if it doesn't happen, I will never forget him...all class and 2 SB MVPs....god damn boys...we had it good...going to be fun to watch the end...enjoy the ride.

And I love you guys who want Eli gone too but I'll just have to enjoy you more in the back nine..

:)

Enjoy the ride team!
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GothamGiants : 4/18/2019 12:14 am : link
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This fan is good with Eli.

Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.


If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.



LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.


They have far better OL and established offenses and coaching staffs you meant to say.



This is basically what I was getting at in my Haskins thread post about the “franchise QB”. Brees is excellent, but put Eli in a dome with that OL/run game and pretty good defense and he’s magically a playoff QB too.

QB matters, but the supporting cast is just as important. When your D and run game are good, even guys like Dak can “win”.



Drew Brees threw for 32 TDs and 5 INTs with a 115 QB rating.

Eli has NEVER had a 115 QB rating. In fact he's never even had a 95 QB rating.

In a full season he's NEVER had less then 10 INTs

He's had more then 31 TDs exactly 1 time in his 15 year career. So let's not act like he could do any of those things at 38 years old.


I’m not talking about stats, I’m talking about how Brees is surrounded by a much better situation rather than him simply being an ageless wonder. I’ve also said several times that Brees is better, so relax.

I’m not sending this spiraling into Eli-oblivion, my point was the almighty franchise QB is overrrated and the supporting cast matters just as much. That’s how scrubs like Keenum and Bortles make conference championships. My other point: use the draft for its strengths and build this defense back to respectability. Make this a dominant run team with good enough defense to win those close games they gave away last year.

Run the ball, stop the run, hit the other teams QB - it still wins games.
Attaboy Gotham  
dee-fense : 4/18/2019 12:17 am : link
:)
RE: Wonder how many of  
DonQuixote : 4/18/2019 5:04 am : link
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You guys weren’t restless for a quarterback when Mahomes came out


Exactly, the actual KC model would have been to draft Mahomes when the Chiefs did...
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Bill L : 4/18/2019 5:20 am : link
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Exactly, the actual KC model would have been to draft Mahomes when the Chiefs did...

By definition.
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Rafflee : 4/18/2019 6:00 am : link
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I agree....if they like a QB, they're likely to draft the player at 6, then "let the 17 and 37 come to them) as their BPA board flows.

"Over-drafted" or NOT, they need the courage to be wrong on a QB...may as well start the review process with the next young qb THIS YEAR..... draft and fail as needed until you find one. First Round...fourth round....andy round you'd---draft two---I don't care.







Yeah you can. Whose to say next years class is better? Everybody said the 2017 class wasn't good and they should wait until 2018. Well Trubisky was 11-3. Mahomes is the MVP and best QB in the league and Watson is going to be a superstar.



I'm giving you my opinion. Perhaps the Giants really like one of these QBs. (Although if they did, rational thinking would dictate they select that player with #6 as opposed to hoping he drops, then trading up.)

Using "the restlessness of fans" as an excuse to draft one of these QBs is foolish. I think the depth and quality of next year's QB class is worth waiting for and using additional resources to choose the QB of the future. Using additional resources to draft one of these guys isn't something I would do and I like Drew Lock.
wow  
giantfan2000 : 4/18/2019 7:15 am : link
sorry you can't both win now and rebuild for future when you have 23 million dollar QB on roster and yet with a team so full of holes as Giants turn around and draft a QB in first round

Rosen is better answer -- you still can get 2 top picks to shore up defense and/or OL. and get a potential starter the next 3 years for very very cheap





RE: RE: I'm not that restless.  
Jesse B : 4/18/2019 7:15 am : link
In comment 14390978 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14390971 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.



Agree.
Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.


There is no superior QB class next year. Qb is a position of hope. They always look great the gear before and then always get torn down by the process. This also assumes early entry QBs come out and play well. Ocassuonaly there are transcendent talents (Luck, the two Mannings) but not often.
I'd be good with that  
UberAlias : 4/18/2019 8:46 am : link
I hope Raanan is right.
Agree  
PaulN : 4/18/2019 9:44 am : link
With anyone that feels that a QB should not be taken unless the Giants feel they can be a franchise QB, otherwise, load up on talent to upgrade the team, it is a two way street, Eli is not the blame for all these woes, in my opinion if you had to point to 1 person, it is Jerry Reese, but it is never one person, never. Giants need a defense, I am okay if the Giants use the first three picks all on defense. I am also more in line with adding two big defensive linemen versus edge rushers. Unless Allen is there at 6, then you have to take him without thinking.
Someone  
PaulN : 4/18/2019 9:46 am : link
Really good is going to fall to pick 37.
if thats the plan to trade up from 17  
GiantsFan84 : 4/18/2019 9:52 am : link
just draft a QB at 6, save the picks and go defense at 17. there are not big differences from the players who are going to be available at 6 and 17 defense wise
I wonder what the reaction would be...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/18/2019 9:56 am : link
to this twist:

Take Lock at 6, trade up to 12 to get whatever defensive player they are targeting who is left.

The actual trade would be: NYG gives #17 (950 points), #37 (530) total 1480 points GB gives #12 (1200 points), #75 (215) #114 (66) total 1481 points.

Would you do that?

I know this seems stupid and would never happen, but wouldn't it depend on the grades of the players available? If they are trading to 12 to make sure they get a top defender and a QB they covet, would it make sense to do it this way? 11 players will be off the board by the 12th pick. The Giants are going to get one of them. That means they are going to miss out on 10 players if they move up to 12.

Assuming those ten should include Murray, and possibly either Haskins or Jones, that means really 8-9 position players will be gone. So we're looking at the 9th-10th highest position player they have on their board if they trade up. Since it is more likely that another QB comes off the board after 12 the alternative to trading up if they pick Lock would be their 12th highest position player on the board.

They would have to REALLY, REALLY love a particular player to go back from 37-75 just to pick up a player they love 4 spots better.

Worth it? We always say yes to moving up for a QB, but passing that same QB then five spots later in the draft giving up this much to get that same QB? Hmmm.....
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hey Jordan  
MM_in_NYC : 4/18/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14391313 GothamGiants said:
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Drew Brees threw for 32 TDs and 5 INTs with a 115 QB rating.

Eli has NEVER had a 115 QB rating. In fact he's never even had a 95 QB rating.

In a full season he's NEVER had less then 10 INTs

He's had more then 31 TDs exactly 1 time in his 15 year career. So let's not act like he could do any of those things at 38 years old.



I’m not talking about stats, I’m talking about how Brees is surrounded by a much better situation rather than him simply being an ageless wonder. I’ve also said several times that Brees is better, so relax.

I’m not sending this spiraling into Eli-oblivion, my point was the almighty franchise QB is overrrated and the supporting cast matters just as much. That’s how scrubs like Keenum and Bortles make conference championships. My other point: use the draft for its strengths and build this defense back to respectability. Make this a dominant run team with good enough defense to win those close games they gave away last year.

Run the ball, stop the run, hit the other teams QB - it still wins games.


Agree here - reaching for QB greatness and ignoring other weaknesses in process is how you stay losing. The HOF QB will come, but there aren't that many of them around and continually wasting 1st round picks trying to acquire one is why most bad teams have stayed bad longer than they should have.
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