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What they're most likely to do: Defense at No. 6 and move up a few spots from No. 17 to land Lock. Maybe it's to 12 in a trade with the Packers or 13 with the Dolphins. The price shouldn't be too steep, and it would give the Giants hope for the future. They know the pressure is on to find Eli Manning's successor, and the fan base is restless. Getting the next franchise quarterback on the roster provides hope. The organization needs some positive momentum right now. -- Jordan Raanan |
i expect some draft day trades, but on day 2-3 to move up for specific targets. i don't expect them to use all of their draft picks ... move up in round 3/4/5 for guys they like and then call it a day
Agree.
Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.
Get me a Defender at 6 and Lock in a trade up and I'm happier then a pig in shit.
This is just stupid. You don’t wait until next year and trade up. Who the hell says top 3 or 4 overall picks won’t tell you to F off as they take all the elite guys in front of you?!
Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.
If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.
Agree.
Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.
Most Giants fans want a QB in the first round.
Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.
If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.
LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.
This is just stupid. You don’t wait until next year and trade up. Who the hell says top 3 or 4 overall picks won’t tell you to F off as they take all the elite guys in front of you?!
That's a possibility, but it rarely happens that a team can't trade up to get a QB. You just have to be willing to pay the price.
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This is just stupid. You don’t wait until next year and trade up. Who the hell says top 3 or 4 overall picks won’t tell you to F off as they take all the elite guys in front of you?!
That's a possibility, but it rarely happens that a team can't trade up to get a QB. You just have to be willing to pay the price.
Depends on where the Giants finish and how much of their future picks they'd have to mortgage to move up.
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.
Agree.
Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.
Most Giants fans want a QB in the first round.
Not the ones I know. Most realize these QB’s this year aren’t very good. Some are Eli disciples. Essentially, it’s like real life BBI.
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This is just stupid. You don’t wait until next year and trade up. Who the hell says top 3 or 4 overall picks won’t tell you to F off as they take all the elite guys in front of you?!
That's a possibility, but it rarely happens that a team can't trade up to get a QB. You just have to be willing to pay the price.
Yeah you can. Whose to say next years class is better? Everybody said the 2017 class wasn't good and they should wait until 2018. Well Trubisky was 11-3. Mahomes is the MVP and best QB in the league and Watson is going to be a superstar.
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This is just stupid. You don’t wait until next year and trade up. Who the hell says top 3 or 4 overall picks won’t tell you to F off as they take all the elite guys in front of you?!
That's a possibility, but it rarely happens that a team can't trade up to get a QB. You just have to be willing to pay the price.
Point is, assumptions make an ass out of u and me. Can’t do it. You take the guy when you can and we are in prime position.
Lock and Haskins will likely go #10 and #11, maybe higher if teams are willing to trade into the top 10. If not, remember that Miami needs a QB. The argument that they are "tanking for Tua" is ridiculous. Washington also needs a QB. It will cost #37 and probably more to ensure the Giants get one of these players.
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.
Agree.
Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.
Most Giants fans want a QB in the first round.
Not the ones I know. Most realize these QB’s this year aren’t very good. Some are Eli disciples. Essentially, it’s like real life BBI.
Most fans aren't very smart. Just go on other Giants boards or Twitter. They want to draft a QB just to draft a QB.
I happen to like some of these guys QB. Especially Lock. Think he's gonna be a star.
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.
Agree.
Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.
Most Giants fans want a QB in the first round.
Not the ones I know. Most realize these QB’s this year aren’t very good. Some are Eli disciples. Essentially, it’s like real life BBI.
Most fans aren't very smart. Just go on other Giants boards or Twitter. They want to draft a QB just to draft a QB.
I happen to like some of these guys QB. Especially Lock. Think he's gonna be a star.
Lock is my guy at six unless Q or Allen is on the board.
Lock and Haskins will likely go #10 and #11, maybe higher if teams are willing to trade into the top 10. If not, remember that Miami needs a QB. The argument that they are "tanking for Tua" is ridiculous. Washington also needs a QB. It will cost #37 and probably more to ensure the Giants get one of these players.
Some people don't think the Broncos or Bengals take a QB. The Bengals have only brought in 1 QB this year. That was Ryan Finley. Very hard to believe they draft a QB they didn't have a private workout or top 30 visit with.
I think Ranaan including the part about the fans is dumb. Gettleman obviously doesn't care. He drafted a RB at 2 last year and traded away our most popular player. Gettleman does know we need a QB though. They can lie to us as much as they want saying Eli can still play, but their actions speak much louder. If Eli could still play for multiple years he'd have an extension and you wouldn't be sending all of the top decision makers to every QBs Pro Day.
Yeah you can. Whose to say next years class is better? Everybody said the 2017 class wasn't good and they should wait until 2018. Well Trubisky was 11-3. Mahomes is the MVP and best QB in the league and Watson is going to be a superstar.
I'm giving you my opinion. Perhaps the Giants really like one of these QBs. (Although if they did, rational thinking would dictate they select that player with #6 as opposed to hoping he drops, then trading up.)
Using "the restlessness of fans" as an excuse to draft one of these QBs is foolish. I think the depth and quality of next year's QB class is worth waiting for and using additional resources to choose the QB of the future. Using additional resources to draft one of these guys isn't something I would do and I like Drew Lock.
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agree it's defense at #6, but I think that the price to move up to get Lock or Jones will be too high, especially given all the needs of this team. The only exception would be if Jones somehow fell to at least #15.
Lock and Haskins will likely go #10 and #11, maybe higher if teams are willing to trade into the top 10. If not, remember that Miami needs a QB. The argument that they are "tanking for Tua" is ridiculous. Washington also needs a QB. It will cost #37 and probably more to ensure the Giants get one of these players.
Some people don't think the Broncos or Bengals take a QB. The Bengals have only brought in 1 QB this year. That was Ryan Finley. Very hard to believe they draft a QB they didn't have a private workout or top 30 visit with.
Possible, but I still think trading up for Lock will require at least moving up to #9 just to be sure. Haskins and Jones probably to #10 or #11. If the Giants want to move up from #17, they should first move down from #6. As I've said, I'd pass on all these QBs. If one fell to the Giants at #17, they should auction the pick to the highest bidder.
He was the first one who called Flowers. He was the one who said we wanted Conklin & Floyd.
If Gettleman thinks a guy is a franchise QB, he won't be cute about it and hope he drops to a certain point
God forbid they win two or three more games next year and hold the fifteenth pick, moving up to grab a QB will for starters cost the 2021 1st pick and they still might be no better than the fourth team to pick a QB. (Unless Gettleman trades Barkley for more first rounders.) (joke, I hope).
Also the ability to have Eli mentor the rookie will be gone.
But if management doesn't believe any of those available this year can win a championship, then we have to take our chances next year, unless we trade.
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.
This is just stupid. You don’t wait until next year and trade up. Who the hell says top 3 or 4 overall picks won’t tell you to F off as they take all the elite guys in front of you?!
I agree with you. Why do people not get that trading up next year is not just that simple? The same people ironically also believe we'll win 8 games, which will put us way out of range for next year's QBs.
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.
Agree.
Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.
Most Giants fans want a QB in the first round.
Not the ones I know. Most realize these QB’s this year aren’t very good. Some are Eli disciples. Essentially, it’s like real life BBI.
The preconceived notion that this years QB class isn't any good is just not close to reality. Before Murray and Haskins sprouted maybe you can make that argument.. But with those two this class is much better than it was originally thought to be. I was told this QB class has a type for everyone. Forget rankings. How these QBs come off the board will come down to their fit in the scheme and philosophy. Pay closer attention to that if you want to project how these guys come off the board.
Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.
If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.
Except those teams have had a bit more success over the past 7 years
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This fan is good with Eli.
Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.
If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.
LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.
They have far better OL and established offenses and coaching staffs you meant to say.
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This fan is good with Eli.
Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.
If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.
LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.
They have far better OL and established offenses and coaching staffs you meant to say.
This is basically what I was getting at in my Haskins thread post about the “franchise QB”. Brees is excellent, but put Eli in a dome with that OL/run game and pretty good defense and he’s magically a playoff QB too.
QB matters, but the supporting cast is just as important. When your D and run game are good, even guys like Dak can “win”.
But I’d like a pass rusher at 6 (Sweat) and Lock. I’d be very happy with that combo.
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This fan is good with Eli.
Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.
If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.
LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.
They have far better OL and established offenses and coaching staffs you meant to say.
This is basically what I was getting at in my Haskins thread post about the “franchise QB”. Brees is excellent, but put Eli in a dome with that OL/run game and pretty good defense and he’s magically a playoff QB too.
QB matters, but the supporting cast is just as important. When your D and run game are good, even guys like Dak can “win”.
+1 ... football is the ultimate team sport
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This fan is good with Eli.
Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.
If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.
LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.
They have far better OL and established offenses and coaching staffs you meant to say.
This is basically what I was getting at in my Haskins thread post about the “franchise QB”. Brees is excellent, but put Eli in a dome with that OL/run game and pretty good defense and he’s magically a playoff QB too.
QB matters, but the supporting cast is just as important. When your D and run game are good, even guys like Dak can “win”.
Drew Brees threw for 32 TDs and 5 INTs with a 115 QB rating.
Eli has NEVER had a 115 QB rating. In fact he's never even had a 95 QB rating.
In a full season he's NEVER had less then 10 INTs
He's had more then 31 TDs exactly 1 time in his 15 year career. So let's not act like he could do any of those things at 38 years old.
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This fan is good with Eli.
Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.
If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.
LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.
They have far better OL and established offenses and coaching staffs you meant to say.
This is basically what I was getting at in my Haskins thread post about the “franchise QB”. Brees is excellent, but put Eli in a dome with that OL/run game and pretty good defense and he’s magically a playoff QB too.
QB matters, but the supporting cast is just as important. When your D and run game are good, even guys like Dak can “win”.
Drew Brees threw for 32 TDs and 5 INTs with a 115 QB rating.
Eli has NEVER had a 115 QB rating. In fact he's never even had a 95 QB rating.
In a full season he's NEVER had less then 10 INTs
He's had more then 31 TDs exactly 1 time in his 15 year career. So let's not act like he could do any of those things at 38 years old.
He also has one more SB ring (and one more SB MVP) than Brees.
And I love you guys who want Eli gone too but I'll just have to enjoy you more in the back nine..
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Enjoy the ride team!
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This fan is good with Eli.
Giants don’t need a qb anymore than the chargers, Steelers, Saints or Pats do.
If the QB is BPA, then take him if not take BPA.
LOL stop lying to yourself. Those 4 QBs are FAR SUPERIOR to Eli.
They have far better OL and established offenses and coaching staffs you meant to say.
This is basically what I was getting at in my Haskins thread post about the “franchise QB”. Brees is excellent, but put Eli in a dome with that OL/run game and pretty good defense and he’s magically a playoff QB too.
QB matters, but the supporting cast is just as important. When your D and run game are good, even guys like Dak can “win”.
Drew Brees threw for 32 TDs and 5 INTs with a 115 QB rating.
Eli has NEVER had a 115 QB rating. In fact he's never even had a 95 QB rating.
In a full season he's NEVER had less then 10 INTs
He's had more then 31 TDs exactly 1 time in his 15 year career. So let's not act like he could do any of those things at 38 years old.
I’m not talking about stats, I’m talking about how Brees is surrounded by a much better situation rather than him simply being an ageless wonder. I’ve also said several times that Brees is better, so relax.
I’m not sending this spiraling into Eli-oblivion, my point was the almighty franchise QB is overrrated and the supporting cast matters just as much. That’s how scrubs like Keenum and Bortles make conference championships. My other point: use the draft for its strengths and build this defense back to respectability. Make this a dominant run team with good enough defense to win those close games they gave away last year.
Run the ball, stop the run, hit the other teams QB - it still wins games.
Exactly, the actual KC model would have been to draft Mahomes when the Chiefs did...
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You guys weren’t restless for a quarterback when Mahomes came out
Exactly, the actual KC model would have been to draft Mahomes when the Chiefs did...
By definition.
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I agree....if they like a QB, they're likely to draft the player at 6, then "let the 17 and 37 come to them) as their BPA board flows.
"Over-drafted" or NOT, they need the courage to be wrong on a QB...may as well start the review process with the next young qb THIS YEAR..... draft and fail as needed until you find one. First Round...fourth round....andy round you'd---draft two---I don't care.
Yeah you can. Whose to say next years class is better? Everybody said the 2017 class wasn't good and they should wait until 2018. Well Trubisky was 11-3. Mahomes is the MVP and best QB in the league and Watson is going to be a superstar.
I'm giving you my opinion. Perhaps the Giants really like one of these QBs. (Although if they did, rational thinking would dictate they select that player with #6 as opposed to hoping he drops, then trading up.)
Using "the restlessness of fans" as an excuse to draft one of these QBs is foolish. I think the depth and quality of next year's QB class is worth waiting for and using additional resources to choose the QB of the future. Using additional resources to draft one of these guys isn't something I would do and I like Drew Lock.
Rosen is better answer -- you still can get 2 top picks to shore up defense and/or OL. and get a potential starter the next 3 years for very very cheap
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I'm perfectly fine with waiting until next year's superior QB class, then trading up (if necessary) to land one of those guys.
Agree.
Raanan thinks he has the pulse of the NYG fan, but he doesn’t.
There is no superior QB class next year. Qb is a position of hope. They always look great the gear before and then always get torn down by the process. This also assumes early entry QBs come out and play well. Ocassuonaly there are transcendent talents (Luck, the two Mannings) but not often.
Take Lock at 6, trade up to 12 to get whatever defensive player they are targeting who is left.
The actual trade would be: NYG gives #17 (950 points), #37 (530) total 1480 points GB gives #12 (1200 points), #75 (215) #114 (66) total 1481 points.
Would you do that?
I know this seems stupid and would never happen, but wouldn't it depend on the grades of the players available? If they are trading to 12 to make sure they get a top defender and a QB they covet, would it make sense to do it this way? 11 players will be off the board by the 12th pick. The Giants are going to get one of them. That means they are going to miss out on 10 players if they move up to 12.
Assuming those ten should include Murray, and possibly either Haskins or Jones, that means really 8-9 position players will be gone. So we're looking at the 9th-10th highest position player they have on their board if they trade up. Since it is more likely that another QB comes off the board after 12 the alternative to trading up if they pick Lock would be their 12th highest position player on the board.
They would have to REALLY, REALLY love a particular player to go back from 37-75 just to pick up a player they love 4 spots better.
Worth it? We always say yes to moving up for a QB, but passing that same QB then five spots later in the draft giving up this much to get that same QB? Hmmm.....
Drew Brees threw for 32 TDs and 5 INTs with a 115 QB rating.
Eli has NEVER had a 115 QB rating. In fact he's never even had a 95 QB rating.
In a full season he's NEVER had less then 10 INTs
He's had more then 31 TDs exactly 1 time in his 15 year career. So let's not act like he could do any of those things at 38 years old.
I’m not talking about stats, I’m talking about how Brees is surrounded by a much better situation rather than him simply being an ageless wonder. I’ve also said several times that Brees is better, so relax.
I’m not sending this spiraling into Eli-oblivion, my point was the almighty franchise QB is overrrated and the supporting cast matters just as much. That’s how scrubs like Keenum and Bortles make conference championships. My other point: use the draft for its strengths and build this defense back to respectability. Make this a dominant run team with good enough defense to win those close games they gave away last year.
Run the ball, stop the run, hit the other teams QB - it still wins games.
Agree here - reaching for QB greatness and ignoring other weaknesses in process is how you stay losing. The HOF QB will come, but there aren't that many of them around and continually wasting 1st round picks trying to acquire one is why most bad teams have stayed bad longer than they should have.