They've done all of the homework on him, spent a ton of time with him throughout the draft process. Had him in the building for a visit on the first day of OTA's. Photos just came out of him training in Giants gear (I know its not a big deal but remember the Saquon Giants hoodie last year).
It seems like there has been a ton of smoke around the Giants and "defensive players" and Lock/Jones. Meanwhile, Haskins is "slipping". Starting to feel like this is more smoke than anything.
Only way it's not Haskins is if Allen/Bosa/Q. Williams fall or Cincy/Wash trade up (doubt this)
Doubt he falls past 13.
It’s not “smoke”, it’s logic.
I just remember how the Giants sent everyone to watch Eli's Pro Day. And Shurmur and Abrams were awfully chummy with him there.
Seems like other QB's have moved ahead of him, but I like the guy. Seems like the kind of guy who would own a locker room.
I just remember how the Giants sent everyone to watch Eli's Pro Day. And Shurmur and Abrams were awfully chummy with him there.
Seems like other QB's have moved ahead of him, but I like the guy. Seems like the kind of guy who would own a locker room.
I don't quite remember his track record, but the other day Peppers said a lot of people in the building really like Haskins.
I just remember how the Giants sent everyone to watch Eli's Pro Day. And Shurmur and Abrams were awfully chummy with him there.
Seems like other QB's have moved ahead of him, but I like the guy. Seems like the kind of guy who would own a locker room.
It's lying season, teams leaking all kind of misinformation to the media.
I just remember how the Giants sent everyone to watch Eli's Pro Day. And Shurmur and Abrams were awfully chummy with him there.
Seems like other QB's have moved ahead of him, but I like the guy. Seems like the kind of guy who would own a locker room.
A couple days ago you said your gut was telling you Haskins. I guess that is not the case anymore. Don't you think it's possible - though the team has been terrible at this in the past - that the team is playing coy with this.
By the way, surprised I did not see this posted anywhere, but Haskins posted a picture on his Instagram account with him working out in a Giants' hoodie. Isn't that what Saquon did last year as well?
People have to start understanding this. You don't pass up a QB at 6 and hope he falls to 17. If you're doing that, you don't like the guy enough to draft him anywhere. Plain and simple, you only draft a QB you think is going to be your franchise QB. If you evaluate him as such, you pick him at 6 and don't risk losing him because someone picks him before 17 (or you are unable to trade up to get him before that spot).
Haskins at 6, given the D prospects available, is a nightmare
I’m guessing we go D at 6 and 17, then OL at 37.
But take a dive when 1st & only read wasnt open, lost many games.
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But if he's still available at #17, then quite possibly yes. The problem is that he may not be mobile enough for Shurmur.
People have to start understanding this. You don't pass up a QB at 6 and hope he falls to 17. If you're doing that, you don't like the guy enough to draft him anywhere. Plain and simple, you only draft a QB you think is going to be your franchise QB. If you evaluate him as such, you pick him at 6 and don't risk losing him because someone picks him before 17 (or you are unable to trade up to get him before that spot).
Your argument is that the Giants should not take any QB at #17 that they passed on at #6. For this draft class of QBs I agree, but that doesn't mean that they won't.
My view remains unchanged, which is that I don't want any QB this year, except Rosen for #37.
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But if he's still available at #17, then quite possibly yes. The problem is that he may not be mobile enough for Shurmur.
People have to start understanding this. You don't pass up a QB at 6 and hope he falls to 17. If you're doing that, you don't like the guy enough to draft him anywhere. Plain and simple, you only draft a QB you think is going to be your franchise QB. If you evaluate him as such, you pick him at 6 and don't risk losing him because someone picks him before 17 (or you are unable to trade up to get him before that spot).
Your argument is that the Giants should not take any QB at #17 that they passed on at #6. For this draft class of QBs I agree, but that doesn't mean that they won't.
My view remains unchanged, which is that I don't want any QB this year, except Rosen for #37.
If the Giants are hoping for the QB they "love" to fall to them at 17 - or banking on a trade up to get the guy from that point - they are run by idiots. That is certainly a possibility.
I'm sure I'm repeating myself, but if you love a QB, you don't say, let me grab Gary (for example) at 6, and hopefully the QB I love will be there at 17. If your thought process is you don't care if you lose the QB, then you don't think he's a franchise QB, and you don't bother wasting a pick on the guy at all. (If you love the guy, you don't play around; you just grab him.)
This “franchise QB” obsession is why you see Bortles go before Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald in a draft. Gotta have that “franchise QB”, that “future face of the franchise”, and all the other BS cliches you hear on draft day.
Build the team and draft to the strength of the class available to you? This draft is loaded, and that talent lies along the defense, OL, TE, WR prospects.
Do the Giants need a young QB? Absolutely.
Should the Giants pass over elite talent elsewhere just to take 1? Absolutely not.
* Not saying QB isn’t important, am saying it’s stupid to bypass superior talent elsewhere just to fill that QB position. If Fromm was available in this draft, you’d hear me pounding the table for a trade up to acquire him. There is no QB worth the pick at 6 - none. Least of all Haskins.
Flip a coin if he and Oliver are both on the board at 6. And for the thousandth time actions speak louder than words. The Giants are definitely highly interested in Haskins.
There is a chance he wasn't a one year flash. That his ceiling is unlimited
There is a chance he wasn't a one year flash. That his ceiling is unlimited
It’s easy to look accurate when you have all day to make your reads and throw to several NFL caliber WRs
What about him gives a top grade? Serious question ... I’ve dug into Murray, Lock, Jones enough to justify a 1st rounder - I just don’t see it, especially at 6, with Haskins
(I want no QB at 6, FYI)
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nice long ball. Has enough wiggle in the pocket so to never be confused with a statue. Is a bit of a beef cake so I worry about his body as he ages. No Jared Lorenzens please. He's my pick as our first pick
There is a chance he wasn't a one year flash. That his ceiling is unlimited
It’s easy to look accurate when you have all day to make your reads and throw to several NFL caliber WRs
Is it easy? There have been many QB prospects with very good teams. Now go look at the Power 5 QBs who have had equal or more success then Haskins. I'll give you a hint. It's a very small list.
This “franchise QB” obsession is why you see Bortles go before Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald in a draft. Gotta have that “franchise QB”, that “future face of the franchise”, and all the other BS cliches you hear on draft day.
Build the team and draft to the strength of the class available to you? This draft is loaded, and that talent lies along the defense, OL, TE, WR prospects.
Do the Giants need a young QB? Absolutely.
Should the Giants pass over elite talent elsewhere just to take 1? Absolutely not.
* Not saying QB isn’t important, am saying it’s stupid to bypass superior talent elsewhere just to fill that QB position. If Fromm was available in this draft, you’d hear me pounding the table for a trade up to acquire him. There is no QB worth the pick at 6 - none. Least of all Haskins.
Shh don't say this too loudly. Some folks will accuse you of saying something along the lines of QBs don't matter. Your disclaimer doesn't matter. :)
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nice long ball. Has enough wiggle in the pocket so to never be confused with a statue. Is a bit of a beef cake so I worry about his body as he ages. No Jared Lorenzens please. He's my pick as our first pick
There is a chance he wasn't a one year flash. That his ceiling is unlimited
It’s easy to look accurate when you have all day to make your reads and throw to several NFL caliber WRs
From 2000 to 2018 there's only been 1 QB whose thrown for 4800+ yards with a completion percentage over 69%. That's happened to throw for 50+ TDs and under 10 INTs. That was Dwayne Haskins. So let's not try to make it out that the things he did were easy or because of his supporting cast. There are plenty of stacked college football teams with great OLs and good skill position players. Yet in the last 18 years none have done what Haskins did.
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nice long ball. Has enough wiggle in the pocket so to never be confused with a statue. Is a bit of a beef cake so I worry about his body as he ages. No Jared Lorenzens please. He's my pick as our first pick
There is a chance he wasn't a one year flash. That his ceiling is unlimited
It’s easy to look accurate when you have all day to make your reads and throw to several NFL caliber WRs
Actually, most of the tape shows that he's getting the ball out on time.
There's no need for "all day."
Pros:
Quick and technically sound release
Sees the whole field and is quick through his reads
Very intelligent young man
High character young man
70% completion percentage(very high even for a top college program)
50:8 TD/INT ratio is impressive
4800+ yards passing
10.3 average yards per attempt is elite
Cons:
Not a great athlete but has good height/size(slow combine 40)
Appeared to labor at his Pro Day though he threw well
14 starts
Overall a talented, productive and intriguing skillset
(As of now Lock is “my guy”, Love his skillset and potential after a year behind Eli)
Haskins at 6, given the D prospects available, is a nightmare
You mean JT Barrett, who made his receivers look really bad, as opposed to Haskins who made them look great.
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Ohio State could’ve started a jugs machine at QB and it would’ve put up impressive stats too.
Haskins at 6, given the D prospects available, is a nightmare
You mean JT Barrett, who made his receivers look really bad, as opposed to Haskins who made them look great.
Just watched the Michigan tape hoping to be impressed ... instead I came away feeling like I should’ve just watched a Paris Campbell highlight. I’ll keep looking, and will admit he seemed more nimble than I expected
* I love Paris Campbell
Pretty sure he left town today, wouldn’t say he’s been ruled out.
I’m just hoping this is to pressure Cincy into trading up.
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But if he's still available at #17, then quite possibly yes. The problem is that he may not be mobile enough for Shurmur.
People have to start understanding this. You don't pass up a QB at 6 and hope he falls to 17. If you're doing that, you don't like the guy enough to draft him anywhere. Plain and simple, you only draft a QB you think is going to be your franchise QB. If you evaluate him as such, you pick him at 6 and don't risk losing him because someone picks him before 17 (or you are unable to trade up to get him before that spot).
Where exactly did this mantra come from? Everyone is repeating it too. This is the thinking that Jacksonville used when they used a #3 overall on Blake Bortles.