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Anyone elses gut telling them its Haskins at 6?

Breeze_94 : 4/17/2019 9:20 pm
They've done all of the homework on him, spent a ton of time with him throughout the draft process. Had him in the building for a visit on the first day of OTA's. Photos just came out of him training in Giants gear (I know its not a big deal but remember the Saquon Giants hoodie last year).

It seems like there has been a ton of smoke around the Giants and "defensive players" and Lock/Jones. Meanwhile, Haskins is "slipping". Starting to feel like this is more smoke than anything.

Only way it's not Haskins is if Allen/Bosa/Q. Williams fall or Cincy/Wash trade up (doubt this)

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No  
Chip : 4/17/2019 9:23 pm : link
I think he will be the 4th QB taken at the end of round 1 or in the 2nd
Could be  
eric2425ny : 4/17/2019 9:24 pm : link
While frustrating as a fan, I love that DG and company actually keep things under wraps. I honestly have no idea who they are going to pick and that’s how it should be.
RE: No  
GFAN52 : 4/17/2019 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14391114 Chip said:
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I think he will be the 4th QB taken at the end of round 1 or in the 2nd


Doubt he falls past 13.
They are linked to “defensive players”  
GothamGiants : 4/17/2019 9:28 pm : link
because they need a lot more of those and it’s the strength of the draft and it’ll be best player available

It’s not “smoke”, it’s logic.
No.....  
Reb8thVA : 4/17/2019 9:31 pm : link
The Giants biggest weakness last year was the anemic pass rush. Is why they los 4-5 close games that could have pu hem in he playoffs. They signed Golden and traded Vernon. That is a push. They did nothing to improve the pass rush. Pieces now on the chess board are pretty clear. It will be a DL or edge rusher.
Nope  
Sammo85 : 4/17/2019 9:31 pm : link
Exact opposite actually. I think he’s one of the safer bets now to NOT be the pick at 6.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2019 9:33 pm : link
Doesn't sound like anyone is connecting him with the Giants anymore, including asshats.

I just remember how the Giants sent everyone to watch Eli's Pro Day. And Shurmur and Abrams were awfully chummy with him there.

Seems like other QB's have moved ahead of him, but I like the guy. Seems like the kind of guy who would own a locker room.
....  
Micko : 4/17/2019 9:34 pm : link
I really doubt he is the pick. Doesn’t feel right.
RE: ...  
Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14391140 Eric from BBI said:
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Doesn't sound like anyone is connecting him with the Giants anymore, including asshats.

I just remember how the Giants sent everyone to watch Eli's Pro Day. And Shurmur and Abrams were awfully chummy with him there.

Seems like other QB's have moved ahead of him, but I like the guy. Seems like the kind of guy who would own a locker room.


I don't quite remember his track record, but the other day Peppers said a lot of people in the building really like Haskins.
RE: ...  
GFAN52 : 4/17/2019 9:36 pm : link
In comment 14391140 Eric from BBI said:
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Doesn't sound like anyone is connecting him with the Giants anymore, including asshats.

I just remember how the Giants sent everyone to watch Eli's Pro Day. And Shurmur and Abrams were awfully chummy with him there.

Seems like other QB's have moved ahead of him, but I like the guy. Seems like the kind of guy who would own a locker room.


It's lying season, teams leaking all kind of misinformation to the media.
RE: ...  
Giants38 : 4/17/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14391140 Eric from BBI said:
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Doesn't sound like anyone is connecting him with the Giants anymore, including asshats.

I just remember how the Giants sent everyone to watch Eli's Pro Day. And Shurmur and Abrams were awfully chummy with him there.

Seems like other QB's have moved ahead of him, but I like the guy. Seems like the kind of guy who would own a locker room.


A couple days ago you said your gut was telling you Haskins. I guess that is not the case anymore. Don't you think it's possible - though the team has been terrible at this in the past - that the team is playing coy with this.

By the way, surprised I did not see this posted anywhere, but Haskins posted a picture on his Instagram account with him working out in a Giants' hoodie. Isn't that what Saquon did last year as well?
No.  
AcidTest : 4/17/2019 9:37 pm : link
But if he's still available at #17, then quite possibly yes. The problem is that he may not be mobile enough for Shurmur.
Mobile is good as long as you don't mobile yourself on to IR.  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 4/17/2019 9:42 pm : link
Immobile never missed a game.
RE: No.  
Giants38 : 4/17/2019 9:43 pm : link
In comment 14391154 AcidTest said:
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But if he's still available at #17, then quite possibly yes. The problem is that he may not be mobile enough for Shurmur.


People have to start understanding this. You don't pass up a QB at 6 and hope he falls to 17. If you're doing that, you don't like the guy enough to draft him anywhere. Plain and simple, you only draft a QB you think is going to be your franchise QB. If you evaluate him as such, you pick him at 6 and don't risk losing him because someone picks him before 17 (or you are unable to trade up to get him before that spot).
I would bet  
Amtoft : 4/17/2019 9:46 pm : link
your house it is a Def player.
...  
GothamGiants : 4/17/2019 9:47 pm : link
Ohio State could’ve started a jugs machine at QB and it would’ve put up impressive stats too.

Haskins at 6, given the D prospects available, is a nightmare
It’s time to think of the future at QB  
George : 4/17/2019 9:50 pm : link
Unfortunately the value isn’t there in the first round and probably won’t be there in the second. Next year will be different.

I’m guessing we go D at 6 and 17, then OL at 37.

no  
bc4life : 4/17/2019 9:51 pm : link
and I really hope he isn't the pick at 6
RE: Mobile is good as long as you don't mobile yourself on to IR.  
Jim Bur(n)t : 4/17/2019 9:51 pm : link
In comment 14391172 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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Immobile never missed a game.


But take a dive when 1st & only read wasnt open, lost many games.
RE: RE: No.  
AcidTest : 4/17/2019 9:52 pm : link
In comment 14391175 Giants38 said:
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But if he's still available at #17, then quite possibly yes. The problem is that he may not be mobile enough for Shurmur.



People have to start understanding this. You don't pass up a QB at 6 and hope he falls to 17. If you're doing that, you don't like the guy enough to draft him anywhere. Plain and simple, you only draft a QB you think is going to be your franchise QB. If you evaluate him as such, you pick him at 6 and don't risk losing him because someone picks him before 17 (or you are unable to trade up to get him before that spot).


Your argument is that the Giants should not take any QB at #17 that they passed on at #6. For this draft class of QBs I agree, but that doesn't mean that they won't.

My view remains unchanged, which is that I don't want any QB this year, except Rosen for #37.
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Giants38 : 4/17/2019 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14391194 AcidTest said:
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In comment 14391154 AcidTest said:


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But if he's still available at #17, then quite possibly yes. The problem is that he may not be mobile enough for Shurmur.



People have to start understanding this. You don't pass up a QB at 6 and hope he falls to 17. If you're doing that, you don't like the guy enough to draft him anywhere. Plain and simple, you only draft a QB you think is going to be your franchise QB. If you evaluate him as such, you pick him at 6 and don't risk losing him because someone picks him before 17 (or you are unable to trade up to get him before that spot).



Your argument is that the Giants should not take any QB at #17 that they passed on at #6. For this draft class of QBs I agree, but that doesn't mean that they won't.

My view remains unchanged, which is that I don't want any QB this year, except Rosen for #37.


If the Giants are hoping for the QB they "love" to fall to them at 17 - or banking on a trade up to get the guy from that point - they are run by idiots. That is certainly a possibility.

I'm sure I'm repeating myself, but if you love a QB, you don't say, let me grab Gary (for example) at 6, and hopefully the QB I love will be there at 17. If your thought process is you don't care if you lose the QB, then you don't think he's a franchise QB, and you don't bother wasting a pick on the guy at all. (If you love the guy, you don't play around; you just grab him.)
Haskins wearing Giants jersey  
Des51 : 4/17/2019 10:01 pm : link
Remember Saquon, shortly before the draft, seen wearing Giant hoodie. Well now Bleacher Report has a photo posted with Haskins working out, wearing Giant gear. They are speculating that it might me something.
No. feel it will be  
section125 : 4/17/2019 10:04 pm : link
a defensive player...
I think if he is there  
mattyblue : 4/17/2019 10:04 pm : link
at 6 he is the pick. Just a guess though.
Bad teams reach on these QB prospects  
GothamGiants : 4/17/2019 10:13 pm : link
This obsession with the “franchise QB” is nauseating. It wasn’t that long ago that Foles, Bortles, and Case Keenum comprised 75% of the conference championship QBs. Why? How? Because games are still won in the trenches. When you can run the ball, stop the run, and pressure the QB, you can win games. Mahomes and his fantasy points didn’t mean anything come playoff time this year. Brees is still thriving because they improved the D dramatically and he destroys teams with play action behind a dominant run game and Kamara dump offs (Brees is great, and much better than Eli, but Brees also has A LOT more help).

This “franchise QB” obsession is why you see Bortles go before Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald in a draft. Gotta have that “franchise QB”, that “future face of the franchise”, and all the other BS cliches you hear on draft day.

Build the team and draft to the strength of the class available to you? This draft is loaded, and that talent lies along the defense, OL, TE, WR prospects.

Do the Giants need a young QB? Absolutely.
Should the Giants pass over elite talent elsewhere just to take 1? Absolutely not.

* Not saying QB isn’t important, am saying it’s stupid to bypass superior talent elsewhere just to fill that QB position. If Fromm was available in this draft, you’d hear me pounding the table for a trade up to acquire him. There is no QB worth the pick at 6 - none. Least of all Haskins.
I wouldn't bet any money, but  
CT Charlie : 4/17/2019 10:17 pm : link
yeah, the gut says Haskins. I think Rosen is a better QB, but Haskins may be the ideal "face of the franchise" for the next 10 years and Mara values that.
My gut says no way on Haskins  
PatersonPlank : 4/17/2019 10:19 pm : link
Defense at #6, we'll see at #17
Gosh I hope not  
Bill L : 4/17/2019 10:20 pm : link
They have a chance t really improve the team by taking impact players in the first round. Losing out on an impact player to take a meh QB prospect will mire this team for several years. Improve the team now, pay bigger for better QB next year.
You watch enough of his games and see he is  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/17/2019 10:25 pm : link
the best QB prospect in this draft. On the other hand Oliver and perhaps Sweat or White are impact D front seven guys.

Flip a coin if he and Oliver are both on the board at 6. And for the thousandth time actions speak louder than words. The Giants are definitely highly interested in Haskins.
I would say no...  
Johnny5 : 4/17/2019 10:30 pm : link
... but I'm not arrogant enough to pretend I have any idea who we are drafting this year. I am going to enjoy watching this draft play out immensely, laughing at all the know it alls who are butt hurt about who the picks end up being and cheering along with the people that will also be rooting (like me) for whoever we pick where... lol
He' s very accurate and throws a  
xman : 4/17/2019 10:38 pm : link
nice long ball. Has enough wiggle in the pocket so to never be confused with a statue. Is a bit of a beef cake so I worry about his body as he ages. No Jared Lorenzens please. He's my pick as our first pick

There is a chance he wasn't a one year flash. That his ceiling is unlimited
No  
montanagiant : 4/17/2019 10:39 pm : link
Not at all
RE: He' s very accurate and throws a  
GothamGiants : 4/17/2019 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14391248 xman said:
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nice long ball. Has enough wiggle in the pocket so to never be confused with a statue. Is a bit of a beef cake so I worry about his body as he ages. No Jared Lorenzens please. He's my pick as our first pick

There is a chance he wasn't a one year flash. That his ceiling is unlimited


It’s easy to look accurate when you have all day to make your reads and throw to several NFL caliber WRs
I think he’s the guy yeah  
Oscar : 4/17/2019 10:52 pm : link
I definitely think they take a QB. I would say my odds on each are 50% Haskins, 30% Jones, 20% Lock.
Valid points  
xman : 4/17/2019 10:54 pm : link
that should be measured in his play him but not disqualify him from potentially being special.
Hasins imo is the best fit for the Giants at QB in this class  
Torrag : 4/17/2019 10:56 pm : link
I have a Top 10 grade on him so if he's the guy I'm good with it. I don't have a sense yet which way the team is leaning, and that's a good thing.
RE: Hasins imo is the best fit for the Giants at QB in this class  
GothamGiants : 4/17/2019 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14391265 Torrag said:
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I have a Top 10 grade on him so if he's the guy I'm good with it. I don't have a sense yet which way the team is leaning, and that's a good thing.


What about him gives a top grade? Serious question ... I’ve dug into Murray, Lock, Jones enough to justify a 1st rounder - I just don’t see it, especially at 6, with Haskins

(I want no QB at 6, FYI)
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Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2019 11:12 pm : link
In comment 14391258 GothamGiants said:
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In comment 14391248 xman said:


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nice long ball. Has enough wiggle in the pocket so to never be confused with a statue. Is a bit of a beef cake so I worry about his body as he ages. No Jared Lorenzens please. He's my pick as our first pick

There is a chance he wasn't a one year flash. That his ceiling is unlimited



It’s easy to look accurate when you have all day to make your reads and throw to several NFL caliber WRs


Is it easy? There have been many QB prospects with very good teams. Now go look at the Power 5 QBs who have had equal or more success then Haskins. I'll give you a hint. It's a very small list.
RE: Bad teams reach on these QB prospects  
MM_in_NYC : 4/17/2019 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14391220 GothamGiants said:
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This obsession with the “franchise QB” is nauseating. It wasn’t that long ago that Foles, Bortles, and Case Keenum comprised 75% of the conference championship QBs. Why? How? Because games are still won in the trenches. When you can run the ball, stop the run, and pressure the QB, you can win games. Mahomes and his fantasy points didn’t mean anything come playoff time this year. Brees is still thriving because they improved the D dramatically and he destroys teams with play action behind a dominant run game and Kamara dump offs (Brees is great, and much better than Eli, but Brees also has A LOT more help).

This “franchise QB” obsession is why you see Bortles go before Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald in a draft. Gotta have that “franchise QB”, that “future face of the franchise”, and all the other BS cliches you hear on draft day.

Build the team and draft to the strength of the class available to you? This draft is loaded, and that talent lies along the defense, OL, TE, WR prospects.

Do the Giants need a young QB? Absolutely.
Should the Giants pass over elite talent elsewhere just to take 1? Absolutely not.

* Not saying QB isn’t important, am saying it’s stupid to bypass superior talent elsewhere just to fill that QB position. If Fromm was available in this draft, you’d hear me pounding the table for a trade up to acquire him. There is no QB worth the pick at 6 - none. Least of all Haskins.


Shh don't say this too loudly. Some folks will accuse you of saying something along the lines of QBs don't matter. Your disclaimer doesn't matter. :)
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Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14391258 GothamGiants said:
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In comment 14391248 xman said:


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nice long ball. Has enough wiggle in the pocket so to never be confused with a statue. Is a bit of a beef cake so I worry about his body as he ages. No Jared Lorenzens please. He's my pick as our first pick

There is a chance he wasn't a one year flash. That his ceiling is unlimited



It’s easy to look accurate when you have all day to make your reads and throw to several NFL caliber WRs


From 2000 to 2018 there's only been 1 QB whose thrown for 4800+ yards with a completion percentage over 69%. That's happened to throw for 50+ TDs and under 10 INTs. That was Dwayne Haskins. So let's not try to make it out that the things he did were easy or because of his supporting cast. There are plenty of stacked college football teams with great OLs and good skill position players. Yet in the last 18 years none have done what Haskins did.
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Brown_Hornet : 4/17/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14391258 GothamGiants said:
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In comment 14391248 xman said:


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nice long ball. Has enough wiggle in the pocket so to never be confused with a statue. Is a bit of a beef cake so I worry about his body as he ages. No Jared Lorenzens please. He's my pick as our first pick

There is a chance he wasn't a one year flash. That his ceiling is unlimited



It’s easy to look accurate when you have all day to make your reads and throw to several NFL caliber WRs

Actually, most of the tape shows that he's getting the ball out on time.
There's no need for "all day."
What about him gives a top grade?  
Torrag : 4/17/2019 11:27 pm : link
Arm talent is well above average
Pros:
Quick and technically sound release
Sees the whole field and is quick through his reads
Very intelligent young man
High character young man
70% completion percentage(very high even for a top college program)
50:8 TD/INT ratio is impressive
4800+ yards passing
10.3 average yards per attempt is elite

Cons:
Not a great athlete but has good height/size(slow combine 40)
Appeared to labor at his Pro Day though he threw well
14 starts

Overall a talented, productive and intriguing skillset


Fair enough, thank you.  
GothamGiants : 4/17/2019 11:36 pm : link
I don’t think he “sucks” by any means, I shall go back and do the tape work just as I did for Murray/Lock/Jones

(As of now Lock is “my guy”, Love his skillset and potential after a year behind Eli)
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barens : 4/17/2019 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14391182 GothamGiants said:
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Ohio State could’ve started a jugs machine at QB and it would’ve put up impressive stats too.

Haskins at 6, given the D prospects available, is a nightmare


You mean JT Barrett, who made his receivers look really bad, as opposed to Haskins who made them look great.
Nope  
AcesUp : 4/17/2019 11:53 pm : link
If he's the guy, it would be the first successful smokescreen I've seen them run in the internet era.
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GothamGiants : 4/17/2019 11:58 pm : link
In comment 14391303 barens said:
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In comment 14391182 GothamGiants said:


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Ohio State could’ve started a jugs machine at QB and it would’ve put up impressive stats too.

Haskins at 6, given the D prospects available, is a nightmare



You mean JT Barrett, who made his receivers look really bad, as opposed to Haskins who made them look great.


Just watched the Michigan tape hoping to be impressed ... instead I came away feeling like I should’ve just watched a Paris Campbell highlight. I’ll keep looking, and will admit he seemed more nimble than I expected

* I love Paris Campbell
Haskins seems tailor made for Giants  
bluepepper : 4/18/2019 12:12 am : link
Big, strong arm, pocket passer and positive "face of franchise" type guy. Yet, they seem to have ruled him out very early on. Very odd IMO. If it were another team I'd be tempted to say smokescreen but the Giants don't usually roll that way. Still part of me wonders...

I really don't see the Giants drafting a QB with 1 year starting exp  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/18/2019 12:15 am : link
...at least not with that high of a pick.
RE: Haskins seems tailor made for Giants  
GothamGiants : 4/18/2019 12:17 am : link
In comment 14391312 bluepepper said:
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Big, strong arm, pocket passer and positive "face of franchise" type guy. Yet, they seem to have ruled him out very early on. Very odd IMO. If it were another team I'd be tempted to say smokescreen but the Giants don't usually roll that way. Still part of me wonders...


Pretty sure he left town today, wouldn’t say he’s been ruled out.

I’m just hoping this is to pressure Cincy into trading up.
RE: RE: No.  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/18/2019 12:17 am : link
In comment 14391175 Giants38 said:
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But if he's still available at #17, then quite possibly yes. The problem is that he may not be mobile enough for Shurmur.



People have to start understanding this. You don't pass up a QB at 6 and hope he falls to 17. If you're doing that, you don't like the guy enough to draft him anywhere. Plain and simple, you only draft a QB you think is going to be your franchise QB. If you evaluate him as such, you pick him at 6 and don't risk losing him because someone picks him before 17 (or you are unable to trade up to get him before that spot).


Where exactly did this mantra come from? Everyone is repeating it too. This is the thinking that Jacksonville used when they used a #3 overall on Blake Bortles.
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