I’m of the opinion you don’t play games if you think there is a franchise QB in this draft class. You don’t get cute. You take him when you can or risk losing him immediately after you pick, even to Jax. Personally, I don’t want a QB at 17 they didn’t like enough to grab at 6. That is my personal opinion and those that disagree that is perfectly fine. However, history shows teams mortgage the farm to trade up and if you don’t have to, you take the opportunity when it is present. Take the QB at six, and then trade up for the defender!!!
Also, taking the QB could make others panic and have more trades for the remaining ones.
Debate on.
I just want the best team possible now and for the long term.
Go where your draft board grades point you, and in this draft it's defense.
Have to agree. It is about time we stopped teams on third down. The only option is if Gettleman thought the D is improved enough with what we have on the roster,a few later round picks and the addition of the 2 safeties, then we pick a OT, The center and a defensive player and we will solidify our O-Line for the next 4 years.
My guess today is that they try to trade up to get Lock, but are unsuccessful and will have the same dilemma next year (but with significantly less draft capital). I don't think they are giving up 37 to move up and 95 is not going to cut it.
Go where your draft board grades point you, and in this draft it's defense.
I should hope that professionals wouldn't use anecdotes and one-offs to formulate strategies.
I think that’s a really smart choice- that’s the strength of the draft- the options are so good... it fills a need.... too much to address. If not convinced a qb is a difference maker, take a game wrecker.
Hmm, that actually makes sense to me. Do it Dave!
Sort of reminds me of:
"This one time at band camp......."
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Is correct. Why can't u guys get it through your head. They are not going qb at 6. They are taking a guy they feel will impact the defense
Because the QB is the single most important piece left to ensure consistent success the next 10-20 years. Fans don't want half measures. They've wasted valuable picks that way the past two years.
I think that what some are trying to say is that taking a QB in this draft *is* a half-measure. I certainly feel that way.
Go where your draft board grades point you, and in this draft it's defense.
I only hope this is the case at #17 as well.
He was there. They just didn't draft him.
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Is correct. Why can't u guys get it through your head. They are not going qb at 6. They are taking a guy they feel will impact the defense
Because the QB is the single most important piece left to ensure consistent success the next 10-20 years. Fans don't want half measures. They've wasted valuable picks that way the past two years.
Dallas is good with a mediocre QB because they built a great OL, dominant run game, and quietly stockpiled a very good young defense ... basically the approach the giants should take until a prospect at qb comes along worthy of a top pick
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I want Eli's successor but unfortunately there hasn't been one in the Giants two trips to the top six of two drafts. Lousy luck.
He was there. They just didn't draft him.
I love Darnold, but if they didn't believe in his ability to lead them to championships, I'll get behind Saquon to be a huge part of the solution.
Respectfully, why didn’t you think any of the quarterbacks last year could be Eli’s successor?
I could do that. I still prefer building it up this year by keeping our picks (other than bundling some low rounds for a mid round next year) and paying a bigger premium next year. I mentioned elsewhere that next year I would give up 3 successive #1's if necessary. Or something along those lines.
Or terrible evaluating? Draft analysts said last year was the best QB class since 2004. Other NFL teams seem to agree considering 1 went 1st overall and three other teams gave up a lot of draft capital for them.
Also it's just 1 evaluator, but he has 3 QBs with a higher grade then Mahomes coming out.
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I want Eli's successor but unfortunately there hasn't been one in the Giants two trips to the top six of two drafts. Lousy luck.
Respectfully, why didn’t you think any of the quarterbacks last year could be Eli’s successor?
I thought Darnold could be plenty good, but there was no elite blue chip QB prospect good enough for them to not pick Saquon. I'm a big BPA picker, I'm ok with it.
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I want Eli's successor but unfortunately there hasn't been one in the Giants two trips to the top six of two drafts. Lousy luck.
He was there. They just didn't draft him.
Turnover machine Darnold, Josh Allen, and Rosen over Saquon would’ve been a mistake. Barkley is incredible, but I know some just can’t past the fact he has “RB” next to his name. They took the best player in the draft, stole a future stud G, and added 2 key pieces on defense. The 2018 draft was a great haul.
He absolutely was not. In fact his grades were worse than Haskins Murray and lock....and went pick 12 I believe.
Uber, I hear you, let's see if they make a move for 2020 draft capital.
It's easy to bet something that can't be disproved. I would guess that they still would have gone Saquon and we now would have someone like Bridgewater or Keenan as our starting QB.
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I get your point but it's not based on any prospect evaluation.
He absolutely was not. In fact his grades were worse than Haskins Murray and lock....and went pick 12 I believe.
In my book Mahomes was better, you guys are overrating the 2019 QBs, imo. Time will tell.
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I get your point but it's not based on any prospect evaluation.
He absolutely was not. In fact his grades were worse than Haskins Murray and lock....and went pick 12 I believe.
I hope you realize that the number of prospects (at any position but QB included) that were predicted to be "not the best" or even outright bad, far, far dwarf the one guy who became Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes is in no way, shape or form, the paradigm.
Again, i would take defense at 6 and 17 (or OT at 17), but i see the logic especially if the Giants want a QB with their 2nd pick.
Uber, I hear you, let's see if they make a move for 2020 draft capital.
I’d love for them to turn the 17th pick into more 2020 draft capital.
Wouldn’t even mind them moving down slightly from 6 unless Williams/Allen fall (Denver for Lock for example)
Expecting quite a bit of trading on draft day
And QBs like Mahomes, Goff, wentz, luck, Watson, Rodgers, Cam etc.....there are two sides to every argument. .
Lock is the only guy in this class I’d roll the dice on at 6 if I had to go QB
Not saying he’ll be Mahomes, but he’s got that similar skill set to make the jaw dropping throws. Hopefully a team trades up in front of the giants and push down Williams or Allen
Ed Oliver in play? He’d be an interesting addition to this scheme
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This type of binary thinking that compels teams into taking a QB when they shouldn't. Christian Ponder, Jake Locker, Blake Bortles etc.
And QBs like Mahomes, Goff, wentz, luck, Watson, Rodgers, Cam etc.....there are two sides to every argument. .
and if prospects like those were available I’d be singing a different tune ... I will admit Tyree Jackson’s skill set has me intrigued (like round 3-4).
He’d definitely need to sit a year at least, but he’s got a very interesting skill set that can’t be taught
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is absolutely the rare exception to the rule, and by no means a likely occurrence.
Lock is the only guy in this class I’d roll the dice on at 6 if I had to go QB
Not saying he’ll be Mahomes, but he’s got that similar skill set to make the jaw dropping throws. Hopefully a team trades up in front of the giants and push down Williams or Allen
Ed Oliver in play? He’d be an interesting addition to this scheme
Yes he is.
I don't love picking a QB at #17, on that we agree. While I preferred Darnold to SB, I can say they likely picked the better pure football player.
I would much rather have Saquon, a stud defensive prospect, and Daniel Jones than any of those QBs
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is absolutely the rare exception to the rule, and by no means a likely occurrence.
Lock is the only guy in this class I’d roll the dice on at 6 if I had to go QB
Not saying he’ll be Mahomes, but he’s got that similar skill set to make the jaw dropping throws. Hopefully a team trades up in front of the giants and push down Williams or Allen
Ed Oliver in play? He’d be an interesting addition to this scheme
Yes he is.
Good to know ... thank you. I’m sure Bettcher would have fun with a skill set like that
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They'll try to say Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Haskins & Lock weren't worth the pick. Yet they are going to draft a guy in the top 20 who is the definition of average.
I would much rather have Saquon, a stud defensive prospect, and Daniel Jones than any of those QBs
Saquon is awesome. But you can find guys like Nick Chubb, Philip Lindsay later in the draft.
I'll gladly take Darnold, a stud defender at 6 & 17. Find a RB later in the draft. Just like we did when we won 2 SBs.
Go where your draft board grades point you, and in this draft it's defense.
^This. I hope we don't trade up from #17 for Lock, Haskins, or Jones. I know it's extremely unlikely, but I still view Rosen for #37 as the best QB option. That trade would ideally be married with a trade down from #17 to get extra day two picks, and maybe a pick next year.
Any insight on Dexter Lawrence? I want this guy in Giants blue, very badly.
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and move on was long ago.
Any insight on Dexter Lawrence? I want this guy in Giants blue, very badly.
He and Wilkins are possibilities.
I tried not falling in love with any prospects and just letting it unfold (Barkley, Hernandez, Carter were all on my wish list last year), but Lawrence is just too good.
He better be a Giant or playing outside of the nfc east, that’s all I can hope for.
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This type of binary thinking that compels teams into taking a QB when they shouldn't. Christian Ponder, Jake Locker, Blake Bortles etc.
And QBs like Mahomes, Goff, wentz, luck, Watson, Rodgers, Cam etc.....there are two sides to every argument. .
You completely missed my point. The point is there is more to it than just liking him.
They may like a QB but may like another player more (even with position importance figured in).
They may like a QB but not in the 1st round. ie Drew Brees to the Chargers in the 2nd.
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I want Eli's successor but unfortunately there hasn't been one in the Giants two trips to the top six of two drafts. Lousy luck.
Respectfully, why didn’t you think any of the quarterbacks last year could be Eli’s successor?
I thought Darnold could be plenty good, but there was no elite blue chip QB prospect good enough for them to not pick Saquon. I'm a big BPA picker, I'm ok with it.
Thanks, I appreciate the insight. It’s hard to understand quarterback evaluation as it’s so complex.... Barkley is obviously amazing. I give the team credit, there is so much pressure from the media etc to draft a qb. I think it takes a lot of guts to stick to the board and take the best player.
Mayfield was the only QB last year that gave me pause, but he wasn’t even an option so oh well we’re stuck with the 230 pound version of Marshall Faulk - I’ll take it
This year nobody wants a quarterback,so the next step is to take one.
I am glad to hear this too. Grier at 37 would make me very happy.
he can either be EXTREMELY accurate or consistently not accurate. Mahomes had soem of the same knocks but mahomes would complete those wild passes where Lock isn't.
idk, i just hope we make the right choice if we go QB this year.