1 week away: What would YOU give up to get Murray?

He'll never last in the league

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In comment 14391512 Brown_Hornet said:

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You’re not referring to Rosen, correct?

In comment 14391505 jtgiants said:

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He'll never last in the league

Why won't he last?

... I think #6 and #37 would be the most I would give up. But I'm just a dumb fan... lol

In comment 14391505 jtgiants said:

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He'll never last in the league

Fwiw, Charlie Weis not only believes he’ll survive, he believes he’ll be quite successful

That's not Murray.

Not only would I NOT trade up to take him, I would not take him at #6 either.

The only reason that Murray is in the #1 overall discussion is because the new HC in Arizona runs a gimmick offense that Murray is at least familiar with.

That's called "fit" with a team's offense. There are not a lot of teams that run anything similar. Further, with the league-wide decline in OL play, and Defensive players getting bigger, stronger, faster all the time, a smaller QB's useful life-span in this league will be measured in less than 6 years.

Even bigger QBs are getting gun-shy. Look at Eli. That's why the Giants are fully intent on implementing a West Coast offense- get the ball out quickly and let the receivers win one-on-one battles for yards.

That's not Murray's game. He looks for the home-run ball and moves around looking for the big play rather than taking what the defense is giving.

In short, Murray is NOT a fit for the Giants offensive scheme. His style of play would also leave him battered and broken down after several years behind the Giants OL. Avoid at all costs.

In comment 14391519 rich in DC said:

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That's not Murray. Not only would I NOT trade up to take him, I would not take him at #6 either. The only reason that Murray is in the #1 overall discussion is because the new HC in Arizona runs a gimmick offense that Murray is at least familiar with. That's called "fit" with a team's offense. There are not a lot of teams that run anything similar. Further, with the league-wide decline in OL play, and Defensive players getting bigger, stronger, faster all the time, a smaller QB's useful life-span in this league will be measured in less than 6 years. Even bigger QBs are getting gun-shy. Look at Eli. That's why the Giants are fully intent on implementing a West Coast offense- get the ball out quickly and let the receivers win one-on-one battles for yards. That's not Murray's game. He looks for the home-run ball and moves around looking for the big play rather than taking what the defense is giving. In short, Murray is NOT a fit for the Giants offensive scheme. His style of play would also leave him battered and broken down after several years behind the Giants OL. Avoid at all costs.

Devil’s advocate: So, by implication, you don’t believe the Giants will fix the OL “after several” years?

give up your left nut.

You are too old to need it anyway.

I'm not giving up anything of my own or the Giants!! :)

The Giants traded the 4 pick, the following years 1st and a 3rd and a 5th to move up for Eli Manning

So I would give:

The 6 pick, the 17 pick and next years 2nd OR the 6 pick, the 37 pick and next years 2nd rounder.

but I would trade up for Q Williams

Is why he won't last. Wilson is taller and the exception. There's no way he lasts long in the league. Not interested

I take him in a heartbeat and start worrying about who's going to play QB for us in 2035.

could he get me dugout seats to better watch him play?

what would be needed to get to #1.

Cannot respect the wishes of the OP who has been on this website since 2001 and clearly laid it out in the OP.

In comment 14391534 Bill L said:

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could he get me dugout seats to better watch him play?

😂😂

without a doubt. He's going to be better than Baker. Better than Wilson.

were the GM, I'd still give up that long-time poster's left nut.

If they bargained hard enough, I'd offer the right as well.

As for picks, cash, players. I'd give them nothing. I said NOTHING, Sir!!!

In comment 14391531 jtgiants said:

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Is why he won't last. Wilson is taller and the exception. There's no way he lasts long in the league. Not interested

jt, who is your pick at 6 right now as we stand 1 week away?

I think 6 is a reasonable gamble on a kid with that much upset. But to "give up" anything more? To slide up? I wouldn't do that for him.

I think there's an outside chance folks are surprised draft night. Not saying he WILL drop. Just think it could happen if Arizona decides to build their team and stick with Rosen.

Your right. I missed the part about not posting if your not interested. I'll bow out. Honest mistake

56 is giving up BOTH balls, so that's not a realistic trade. IMHO.

You know I love you. No disrespect intended

But at the same time I think we would weaken our team by giving up those high picks.... I think if Arizona was the team we had to trade with I’d pass. If he got to 4 or 5 and the cost would drop significantly I would have to think about it. But it would be really hard to pass on a defensive beast.

In comment 14391542 Beezer said:

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I think 6 is a reasonable gamble on a kid with that much upset. But to "give up" anything more? To slide up? I wouldn't do that for him. I think there's an outside chance folks are surprised draft night. Not saying he WILL drop. Just think it could happen if Arizona decides to build their team and stick with Rosen.

If he drops I will be going effing bananas until we pick... lol. I just feel like this kid has it. I think he will last because he never seems to take a clean hit. Even the cheap shot he took from Quinnen Williams he got right back up and brought them back into that game.

Nothing

In comment 14391546 jtgiants said:

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You know I love you. No disrespect intended

Oh please..Your post is fine. I was just interested to see what people who really like Murray would trade to get him..

Now Fat Mara, he’s another thing.

So nothing.

The Giants need their picks and this guy is a huge risk.

Yes, the entire draft is a crap shoot. This guy personifies that fact.

"The Giants traded the 4 pick, the following years 1st and a 3rd and a 5th to move up for Eli Manning"

Think how much more talent they would have had if they kept Rivers.

The NFL has such a bias against small players that it's ridiculous. Its been that way for decades and there is absolutely nothing factual to back it up.

Small players in the NFL who get hurt, in general, get hurt because they're already injury prone or they just had bad luck - just like the bigger players. Its not because they're small.

Other than a few minor bumps and bruises - no more or less than any other player - Murray doesn't have an injury history in college. If he could take the hits in college (or avoid them) the most likely scenario is that he'll do the same in the NFL.

I wouldn't give up anything for Murray. If he fell to the Giants, I'd draft him in a heartbeat...but if not, there are just too many other holes on the roster right now to burn multiple picks on one guy - even if its a franchise QB.

In comment 14391505 jtgiants said:

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He'll never last in the league

+1

Hard Pass

to short with short arms. He is also a running QB which means he is more apt to get hurt. I would not draft him if he was available with the 6th pick.

people are really underrating his potential. His floor might be low, but his ceiling is 'multiple MVP' caliber.

I for one think he's going to be superstar in this league and would use #6, 17 and 2nd rounder (maybe next year) to get him.

Hard to wrap my head around him as a Giants quarterback. It sure would be different.

Guess I m stuck in the “get off my lawn mode “ here. I wouldn’t trade up. But if Giants do I will be behind it.

Otherwise I am out on a trade up. Happy to sit at 6 and see who’s there.

your bank account.

that way I don't throw it when he's picked

them doing the 6, 37 and a 2nd next year, probably would need to add another 3rd or fourth rounder. Think the injury concerns are overblown, he’s a pass first QB and talented runner. He isn’t RGIII or Vick. Worth the risk and the prospects of him and Barkley together sounds like a great combo.

If the Cards don’t take him somehow I hope they try to trade up to get him, or by some miracle he drops to 6.

The Giants trading up cannot be considered for what the cost would take away from the team in building up and according to plan.

You can have my answer now, if you like. My offer is this: nothing.

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#6 and #37.

I think the guy has star written all over him and I think I will be very difficult for a defensive player to get a good shot at him.

We have to many holes to fill and this is a deep draft.

If Murray were to fall to 6, and the brass felt he was the right guy for the team going forward this year behind Eli, then so be it. If not, pick BPA at 6, 17, and 37. Too many holes to fill

I’m going to tell you all I told you so.

...and if he doesn’t, most likely you’ll have forgotten I said anything, lol.

A lot. I think Matt from SGS suggested a while back that it may cost the 6, 17, 95, and a 2020 2nd. I’d be fine with that.

I think his upside represents to much, but I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't on our board at all. Size and personality concerns.

In comment 14391701 UberAlias said:

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I’m going to tell you all I told you so. ...and if he doesn’t, most likely you’ll have forgotten I said anything, lol.

Haha I was thinking the same thing.

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and is a pass first qb who is as mobile as a 3rd down running back.

In comment 14391707 Giants38 said:

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A lot. I think Matt from SGS suggested a while back that it may cost the 6, 17, 95, and a 2020 2nd. I’d be fine with that.

That's a lot, even for a top QB prospect — but if they think he's their guy, they should go get him, they way they went and got Eli.

I don't have strong feelings about Murray. He was amazing in college but it's a different game in the NFL.

I have a sense he'll be there at 6 and we pass on him.

Easy pass here.

so we can see how many people here embarrassed themselves with their shortsighted and unresearched opinion. This thread will end up looking a lot like the pre-draft Patrick Mahomes thread for a couple of years ago. Murray is going to an absolute stud and I'd give up 6, 17, and our 2nd rounder to get him.

But if he fell to 3 or 4 (Jets/Oak) and one of those teams would take 6, 37 and one of the 4s or 5s, I would do it. (But it would likely take more.)

I think Murray has a chance to be a star in the NFL and I'm a "gamble on greatness" type of drafter.

In comment 14391558 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14391546 jtgiants said: Quote: You know I love you. No disrespect intended Oh please..Your post is fine. I was just interested to see what people who really like Murray would trade to get him.. Now Fat Mara, he’s another thing.

You were just waiting to use Fat-Mara!!

To quote a guy here - MURDERER!!

In comment 14391554 jayg5 said:

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Nothing

Not even the $20,000 for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.

In comment 14391536 twostepgiants said:

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Cannot respect the wishes of the OP who has been on this website since 2001 and clearly laid it out in the OP.

I have seen this in other threads as well. Some people perhaps just skim when they read

In comment 14391787 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 14391558 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 14391546 jtgiants said: Quote: You know I love you. No disrespect intended Oh please..Your post is fine. I was just interested to see what people who really like Murray would trade to get him.. Now Fat Mara, he’s another thing. You were just waiting to use Fat-Mara!! To quote a guy here - MURDERER!!

You do realize, that’s the best contribution to this site bw central has ever made, yes?

You remember Fran Tarkenton. This kid is Tark with a rocket engine.

In comment 14391853 Manny in CA said:

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You remember Fran Tarkenton. This kid is Tark with a rocket engine.

Except Tarkenton was never a runner. He scrambled to keep a play alive or to go out of bounds. Murray is a runner. He, like all runners, are far more susceptible to the big hit than a scrambler is

Him before Rd 3. Not an NFL QB

Are you saying that Rivers is better? Not in my book. So we threw in a pick used on a kicker and I believe a busy edge rusher. I’ll take Eli and our two championships.

One big hit away from disaster. But, if he's the next Russel Wilson - he can deliver a Lombardi Trophy.

I'd prefer to give up just 6 and either 17 or 37 in a trade up.

I think it's a moot point because Arizona is going to take him.

the Giants have enough points with picks 6, 17 and 37 to trade up to the first pick - that's if they go according the the Trade Value Chart. Actually we have 80 extra points. Could that have been a small factor in the Beckham trade?
Trade Value Chart - ( New Window )

because if I move up I want one of the big 3 lock stud Def players. However if AZ passed on Murray and he fell to 4 then I would give up my 3rd this year and 2nd next year.

Here is how I try and judge players. If you put Daniel Jones or Dwayne Haskins or Lock on Oklahoma they would better, but wouldn't match Kyler Murray in numbers with exception of Haskins. If you put Kyler Murray on Mizz, Duke, Ohio State, etc he would beat their stats outside of maybe Haskins.

He is the best QB in this draft and special.

I’m not losing any sleep to get Murray. Same as last year, I didn’t care about any of the qbs and definitely preferred Barkley.

I’d give up the 6, the 17, next year’s 1 and 3 if Mike Leach is coming along in the deal to teach the Air Raid to the Giants offense in the few May/June walk throughs and no contact practices, and during the padded practice restrictions during trading camp and the pre-season. :-]

6, 17 and the 2ND rounder although initial offer would be 6, 17 and 3Rd rounder.
Yeah, there's other holes to fill however the QB situation must be addressed. If not this year then next. Worry about plugging the holes next year with your full allotment if draft picks and all the cap money you'll have.

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