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Bad Ass Players in this Draft

Pep22 : 4/18/2019 9:09 am
I was talking with a friend recently and we were lamenting the dearth of "kick ass, you're in for a long day" players on the NYG roster. I'd categorize Hernandez as that, maybe Hill as well. I am not sure who else really fits the description of being notably tenacious, physical etc.

Here are some players who I would categorize as such in this draft:

QB: Rarely would you put a QB into this category, but we had one in Phil Simms once (lifted with the OL, strong/tough enough to shrug off DL "pawing" at him, and could verbally inspire the troops like Brees, Brady, Rivers often do). Guys who fit this description in this draft include Daniel Jones (Round 1 projection), who I've been critical of, but he's certainly very tough. Brett Rypien (Round 4) is another guy I like for this characteristic.

RB: Ryquan Armstead (Round 4). LJ Scott (Round 6).

OT: Dalton Risner (Round 1-2), Kaleb McGary (Round 2), Donnell Greene (Round 4).

OG: Nate Davis (Round 2). Dru Samia (Round 4). Phil Haynes (Round 6).

C: Lamont Galliard (Round 4).

DT: Greg Gaines (Round 4-5). Isiah Buggs (Round 4-5).

DE: Zach Allen (Round 2 STEAL). LJ Collier (Round 3).

LB: Cameron Smith (Round 4-5). David Long (Round 4 STEAL).

CB: Rock Ya-Sin (Round 2 STEAL) . Iman Marshall (Round 3).

S: Jonathan Abram (pound for for pound, the scariest guy in this draft). Will Harris.
Chase Winovich  
GothamGiants : 4/18/2019 9:11 am : link
Madman, in the best way.
RE: Chase Winovich  
Pep22 : 4/18/2019 9:12 am : link
In comment 14391549 GothamGiants said:
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Madman, in the best way.


Good call.
RE: Chase Winovich  
Rjanyg : 4/18/2019 9:14 am : link
In comment 14391549 GothamGiants said:
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Madman, in the best way.


I think he is gonna be good. I wish we had an early 3rd round pick because I think he will be there and be good value.
Let's also remember  
Pep22 : 4/18/2019 9:20 am : link
Sy's word of caution about a concerning hand/wrist injury. Not sure if that is something that has implications that last "weeks" or "months".
Devin White  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/18/2019 9:22 am : link
Taylor Rapp, Dexter Lawrence, Tyler Roemer.
RE: RE: Chase Winovich  
GothamGiants : 4/18/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14391561 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 14391549 GothamGiants said:


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Madman, in the best way.



I think he is gonna be good. I wish we had an early 3rd round pick because I think he will be there and be good value.


I’m expecting a trade up in the 3rd with the surplus of 4th-7th round picks. Gimme chase or maxx Crosby in the 3rd
I am not questioing you but  
Pep22 : 4/18/2019 9:26 am : link
surprises to see mention of Rapp. I viewed him as a smallish, coverage safety who excelled at the mental part of the game.
Jared Lorenzen  
kelsto811 : 4/18/2019 9:33 am : link
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undrafted FB: George Aston (Pitt)  
SteelGiant : 4/18/2019 10:01 am : link
I kind of hope we get him right after the draft and see how he looks, but in my opinion it would be worth drafting him in the 7th to make sure we get him.
The dude was a beast in college, amazing blocker, good for short yardage and has decent hands. A Better Fullback than Hynoski! Both Pitt running backs had great seasons this year (over 1,000 yards each) and Aston was a big reason for their success. Converted LB, high motor, will be good for us on special teams. "highest bench press (425 pounds) and squat numbers (655) in program history"

Having Barkley running behind this freight train would could be something great.
Anthony Nelson  
BIG FRED 1973 : 4/18/2019 10:08 am : link
from Iowa ,the kid has a motor and had 9.5 sacks last year ,he played really well in the penn st game .Iam shocked he is not getting more love
RE: I am not questioing you but  
tyrik13 : 4/18/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14391608 Pep22 said:
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surprises to see mention of Rapp. I viewed him as a smallish, coverage safety who excelled at the mental part of the game.


I could’ve swore he was a box safety who loved to tackle who has ok coverage ability??
Zach Allen???  
tyrik13 : 4/18/2019 10:14 am : link
Can someone give me the 411 on Zach Allen. I keep seeing his name thrown around as a potential pick up in the draft and I have no clue who this kid is.
Zach Allen  
Pep22 : 4/18/2019 10:31 am : link
Love this kid. He's 6'5" and 280. Strong as a bull and plays to that asset. May be a little limited in terms of arsenal of pass rush moves, but love how forklifts OL. His athleticism also suggests that he will add greater depth of moves. Lastly, his work rate in pursuit is exemplary. The kid is a culture changer.
RE: Zach Allen???  
BIG FRED 1973 : 4/18/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14391725 tyrik13 said:
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Can someone give me the 411 on Zach Allen. I keep seeing his name thrown around as a potential pick up in the draft and I have no clue who this kid is.
This is the write up Sy gave him

6: Zach Allen – Boston College – 6’4/281

Grade: 80

Summary: Two year starter that has been one of the most productive defensive ends in the ACC over that span. The two-time All ACC honoree totaled over 40 TFL and 18 sacks over his career from multiple spots along the defensive line. He is not a traditional burner that explodes up the edge, but his skill set is advanced even by NFL-measures. The technique is top notch and combined with his power, size, and strength he will be a versatile force in the league. This inside-out defender is a sure bet to be an effective starter with the potential to be a star.

*This is a name I am surprised isn’t getting more talk when it comes to NYG picks, notably the 2nd round. Allen is made for the 5 technique, a spot I think NYG will be looking to fill with another body or two in the coming in weeks. He isn’t the same athlete that JJ Watt is, not even close, but the similarities to their styles is very notable. Hands and footwork, versatility, toughness, IQ, and grit. Allen faced off against some solid talent over the past two years and he is the kind of guy that elevated his play against the toughest opponents. His Clemson tape was some of the best I saw all year.

NFL Comparison: Adam Gotsis / DEN
We need an infusion of these kind of players......  
Simms11 : 4/18/2019 10:37 am : link
Let's get this Defense back on track this year. If we can get some guys to help us close out games it would be huge. Need our D to help get us out of our funk against the NFC East.
222 Consecutive Starts  
KingBlue : 4/18/2019 11:02 am : link
is Badass, IMHO
RE: 222 Consecutive Starts  
KingBlue : 4/18/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14391814 KingBlue said:
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is Badass, IMHO


This comment was intended for OP as he listed Simms as only badass QB for the Giants.
Badass?  
Klaatu : 4/18/2019 11:08 am : link
Well, this is what Sy'56 said about Jaylon Ferguson:
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This is the kind of guy you want on your line if you need more physical play. He is a big, mean dude that can help change the personality of a team.


Sounds pretty badass to me.
My nomination for "B.A. Baracus" in this draft is ....  
Manny in CA : 4/18/2019 11:17 am : link
My one of my 5th round picks in my "2019 fearless NYG draft", none other than Texas A&M's Daylon Mack. He's an undersized 6'1 320 pound fire plug. He reminds me a lot of another fire-plug, Aaron Donald.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVcqbIgzBAQ
RE: Anthony Nelson  
Pep22 : 4/18/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14391703 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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from Iowa ,the kid has a motor and had 9.5 sacks last year ,he played really well in the penn st game .Iam shocked he is not getting more love


Would you compare him to Carl Nassib?
Daniel Jones  
Biteymax22 : 4/18/2019 11:32 am : link
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QB: Rarely would you put a QB into this category, but we had one in Phil Simms once (lifted with the OL, strong/tough enough to shrug off DL "pawing" at him, and could verbally inspire the troops like Brees, Brady, Rivers often do). Guys who fit this description in this draft include Daniel Jones (Round 1 projection), who I've been critical of, but he's certainly very tough.


For the record, I think this is really what the Giants are seeing in Jones that has their interest, and yes this was a characteristic that Eli had in droves.
RE: Zach Allen  
tyrik13 : 4/18/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14391754 Pep22 said:
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Love this kid. He's 6'5" and 280. Strong as a bull and plays to that asset. May be a little limited in terms of arsenal of pass rush moves, but love how forklifts OL. His athleticism also suggests that he will add greater depth of moves. Lastly, his work rate in pursuit is exemplary. The kid is a culture changer.


Thanks Pep
RE: RE: Zach Allen???  
tyrik13 : 4/18/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14391756 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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In comment 14391725 tyrik13 said:


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Can someone give me the 411 on Zach Allen. I keep seeing his name thrown around as a potential pick up in the draft and I have no clue who this kid is.

This is the write up Sy gave him

6: Zach Allen – Boston College – 6’4/281

Grade: 80

Summary: Two year starter that has been one of the most productive defensive ends in the ACC over that span. The two-time All ACC honoree totaled over 40 TFL and 18 sacks over his career from multiple spots along the defensive line. He is not a traditional burner that explodes up the edge, but his skill set is advanced even by NFL-measures. The technique is top notch and combined with his power, size, and strength he will be a versatile force in the league. This inside-out defender is a sure bet to be an effective starter with the potential to be a star.

*This is a name I am surprised isn’t getting more talk when it comes to NYG picks, notably the 2nd round. Allen is made for the 5 technique, a spot I think NYG will be looking to fill with another body or two in the coming in weeks. He isn’t the same athlete that JJ Watt is, not even close, but the similarities to their styles is very notable. Hands and footwork, versatility, toughness, IQ, and grit. Allen faced off against some solid talent over the past two years and he is the kind of guy that elevated his play against the toughest opponents. His Clemson tape was some of the best I saw all year.

NFL Comparison: Adam Gotsis / DEN


Thanks Big Fred!
RE: Daniel Jones  
Pep22 : 4/18/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14391864 Biteymax22 said:
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QB: Rarely would you put a QB into this category, but we had one in Phil Simms once (lifted with the OL, strong/tough enough to shrug off DL "pawing" at him, and could verbally inspire the troops like Brees, Brady, Rivers often do). Guys who fit this description in this draft include Daniel Jones (Round 1 projection), who I've been critical of, but he's certainly very tough.



For the record, I think this is really what the Giants are seeing in Jones that has their interest, and yes this was a characteristic that Eli had in droves.


I think Elis duration is mainly due to toughness and good fortune, of course. But also, he seemed to make calculated decisions about when to hang in under duress (would often do so in big games i.e. SF playoff game) and when to cut bait and hurl himself to the ground when under any suggestion of pressure (in games he viewed as less worthy). I've never seen a QB turn it on and turn it off so often. But that's the driver of why he's probably the most debated QB of all time. He has the two mistake free SB runs, a lot of compiled stats per long duration and a lot of truly awful play. So, when you hear or read the countless Manning arguments, pretty much everyone (both sides) are right.
This one is easy  
Amtoft : 4/18/2019 1:21 pm : link
Porter Gustin
Big Q  
allstarjim : 4/18/2019 1:25 pm : link
N'Keal Harry

Ed Oliver

T.J. Hockenson

Johnathan Abram
Also A.J. Brown  
allstarjim : 4/18/2019 1:26 pm : link
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Erik McCoy  
Matt G : 4/18/2019 1:37 pm : link
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If relentlessness equals badass  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/18/2019 1:46 pm : link
then I second Ed Oliver and nominate Dwayne Haskins.

Also obviously Kalamari.
I took Winovich in round 1 for the Colts in the BBI Mock Draft  
Go Terps : 4/18/2019 1:55 pm : link
I guess it could be called a reach, but the guy is a good player.
Hockenson. Blocks like Bavaro.  
yatqb : 4/18/2019 4:58 pm : link
I'd say the Clemson DL...Wilkins, Lawrence and Ferrell are tough SOBs.

I really like Nate Davis's aggressiveness.
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