jobs ever will be to replace Tom Brady. Good luck to whoever gets that gig! When Belichick and Brady leaves, that whole thing will crater up in New England and those front runners will turn on them and give them tons of shit. And go back to what they did before 2001, which is to simply ignore the Patriots.
jobs ever will be to replace Tom Brady. Good luck to whoever gets that gig! When Belichick and Brady leaves, that whole thing will crater up in New England and those front runners will turn on them and give them tons of shit. And go back to what they did before 2001, which is to simply ignore the Patriots.
Brady is an incredible player, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that Belichick is the reason for the success, and they'd be winning 11+ games a year with someone else. They probably wouldn't win as many titles, but they'd be right there in the mix. The culture is the driver up there, I think.
jobs ever will be to replace Tom Brady. Good luck to whoever gets that gig! When Belichick and Brady leaves, that whole thing will crater up in New England and those front runners will turn on them and give them tons of shit. And go back to what they did before 2001, which is to simply ignore the Patriots.
Brady is an incredible player, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that Belichick is the reason for the success, and they'd be winning 11+ games a year with someone else. They probably wouldn't win as many titles, but they'd be right there in the mix. The culture is the driver up there, I think.
GT I agree with this statement, especially with regards to not winning as many titles. Brady is a gamer and seems to always have those fantastic post season performances. However, seeing how Brissett, Cassell and company performed in Tom's absence, lends credence to this take.
jobs ever will be to replace Tom Brady. Good luck to whoever gets that gig! When Belichick and Brady leaves, that whole thing will crater up in New England and those front runners will turn on them and give them tons of shit. And go back to what they did before 2001, which is to simply ignore the Patriots.
Brady is an incredible player, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that Belichick is the reason for the success, and they'd be winning 11+ games a year with someone else. They probably wouldn't win as many titles, but they'd be right there in the mix. The culture is the driver up there, I think.
Belichick has gone 14-6 without Brady since Brady became the starting QB for NE, so I think you're probably right. If he can coax a .700 winning pct out of such luminary QBs as Matt Cassel, Jacoby Brissett and Jimmy Garoppolo, I'd say the evidence suggests that BB can win without TB much more easily than the other way around (though we don't have any evidence for TB either way).
how much longer is he going to be doing this. If I had to guess, they both go out at the same time. However, I wouldn't be shocked to see Belichick look to stick around 1 year more to show that he could win without Brady and then walk away.
season in New England is really sort of misunderstood and in reality the epitome of fool's gold.
Yes, the Patriots went 11 - 5 with Cassel, however:
A: they missed the playoffs
B: they had historically analytically one of the easiest schedules in NFL history
C: it was 5 games worse than the prior season. Yes, the prior season was an all-time-great, but if you consider they would have very possibly duplicated 2007 in 2008 with Brady then going 5 games worse with your backup QB is probably not worth the feather in the cap everyone is placing there
Sometimes context tells a better picture than a surface evaluation like W/L.
This is going to be unpopular but I think that Brady is behind Rodgers Â
and Brees and I guess I'd include Peyton in there as far as this generations QBs. Put those guys in New England and you have similar if not better results.
BB is the greatest coach of all time and his right hand man (forgot his name ex hedge fund guy) are playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
RE: This is going to be unpopular but I think that Brady is behind Rodgers Â
and Brees and I guess I'd include Peyton in there as far as this generations QBs. Put those guys in New England and you have similar if not better results.
BB is the greatest coach of all time and his right hand man (forgot his name ex hedge fund guy) are playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
Ernie Adams. He was with the Giants too in the mid 1980s as they started to build into a powerhouse. It wasn't a coincidence.
and Brees and I guess I'd include Peyton in there as far as this generations QBs. Put those guys in New England and you have similar if not better results.
BB is the greatest coach of all time and his right hand man (forgot his name ex hedge fund guy) are playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
Ernie Adams. He was with the Giants too in the mid 1980s as they started to build into a powerhouse. It wasn't a coincidence.
Actually, he joined the Giants staff with Ray Perkins, and suggested Perkins hire Belichick for the Special Teams in the late 1970s. He moved to the front office in the mid 1980s and then left to make his money in hedge funds before rejoining Belichick in Cleveland.
When the new kickoff rule came out I was like why don't they just sky the kick (used to kick a little in high school). Lo and behold the Pats are the first team doing it pinning teams inside the 20.
Brady is an incredible player, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that Belichick is the reason for the success, and they'd be winning 11+ games a year with someone else. They probably wouldn't win as many titles, but they'd be right there in the mix. The culture is the driver up there, I think.
Belichick's culture doesn't work without Brady's buy-in (to that culture) and his incomparable commitment to his craft.
Toss in Brady's willingness to stay below his true market cap value and he makes Belichick's job immeasurably easier.
Every week Belichick goes into a game knowing this - Brady will figure it out. What an incredible luxury. Sorry, that's not a fungible asset.
jobs ever will be to replace Tom Brady. Good luck to whoever gets that gig! When Belichick and Brady leaves, that whole thing will crater up in New England and those front runners will turn on them and give them tons of shit. And go back to what they did before 2001, which is to simply ignore the Patriots.
Brady is an incredible player, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that Belichick is the reason for the success, and they'd be winning 11+ games a year with someone else. They probably wouldn't win as many titles, but they'd be right there in the mix. The culture is the driver up there, I think.
I agree Terps. BB is a genius, if he had wanted, he could have been an astro physicist.
season in New England is really sort of misunderstood and in reality the epitome of fool's gold.
Yes, the Patriots went 11 - 5 with Cassel, however:
A: they missed the playoffs
B: they had historically analytically one of the easiest schedules in NFL history
C: it was 5 games worse than the prior season. Yes, the prior season was an all-time-great, but if you consider they would have very possibly duplicated 2007 in 2008 with Brady then going 5 games worse with your backup QB is probably not worth the feather in the cap everyone is placing there
Sometimes context tells a better picture than a surface evaluation like W/L.
Oh, I think everyone here is very familiar with the idea that an 11 win season can be misleading - we saw our own 11-win outlier in 2016. But it's still 11 wins with Matt Cassel at the helm. For reference, Cassel went on to start 66 games elsewhere in the league after that season and compiled a record of 26-40 in those games.
Just because the context gives much greater insight doesn't mean the surface evaluation is irrelevant.
season in New England is really sort of misunderstood and in reality the epitome of fool's gold.
Yes, the Patriots went 11 - 5 with Cassel, however:
A: they missed the playoffs
B: they had historically analytically one of the easiest schedules in NFL history
C: it was 5 games worse than the prior season. Yes, the prior season was an all-time-great, but if you consider they would have very possibly duplicated 2007 in 2008 with Brady then going 5 games worse with your backup QB is probably not worth the feather in the cap everyone is placing there
Sometimes context tells a better picture than a surface evaluation like W/L.
Oh, I think everyone here is very familiar with the idea that an 11 win season can be misleading - we saw our own 11-win outlier in 2016. But it's still 11 wins with Matt Cassel at the helm. For reference, Cassel went on to start 66 games elsewhere in the league after that season and compiled a record of 26-40 in those games.
Just because the context gives much greater insight doesn't mean the surface evaluation is irrelevant.
Of course, I agree, the surface isn't irrelevant, just IMO not as much of an accomplishment as some make it out to be when you understand the context.
Sometimes winning isn't, holy shit Belichick won 11 games with Cassel as the starter he can win with anyone (especially when KC won 10 with him as their starter in 2010), but why isn't it the Patriots won 11 games in 2008 with Cassel as their starter, and that was a 5 game drop-off from the prior year due in part to playing with a lesser QB.
jobs ever will be to replace Tom Brady. Good luck to whoever gets that gig! When Belichick and Brady leaves, that whole thing will crater up in New England and those front runners will turn on them and give them tons of shit. And go back to what they did before 2001, which is to simply ignore the Patriots.
So true... That fan base was nowhere to be seen in the mid 90s... Even with Parcells and Bledsoe... Now every Ma$$hole in Beantown has been a "lifelong" Pats fan
jobs ever will be to replace Tom Brady. Good luck to whoever gets that gig! When Belichick and Brady leaves, that whole thing will crater up in New England and those front runners will turn on them and give them tons of shit. And go back to what they did before 2001, which is to simply ignore the Patriots.
Brady is an incredible player, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that Belichick is the reason for the success, and they'd be winning 11+ games a year with someone else. They probably wouldn't win as many titles, but they'd be right there in the mix. The culture is the driver up there, I think.
I agree Terps. BB is a genius, if he had wanted, he could have been an astro physicist.
LOL...and the legend of BB continues......
Astro physicist??? Okayyyyy.............
BB strikes me as the guy who has been in football his ENTIRE life. And he's awesome at it.
Accorsi told ESPN’s Ian O’Connor that one of his scouts, Whitey Walsh, was pounding the table for the Giants to take Tom Brady, but nobody listened…
Via ESPN.com:
“[Walsh] didn’t just bring it up,” Accorsi said. “He was very forceful. Fought hard. No one listened. … It’s my fault that I didn’t act on his urging to draft Brady.
“Truly, the Brady story is one of the great mysteries of all time. It’s not like he was playing at Augustana. He threw four touchdown passes in the Orange Bowl against Alabama. … We were all asleep.”
Walsh says he had a “middle-to-late round grade”on Brady and lobbied for the team to take him with the team’s sixth-round pick. Accorsi opted for Michigan LB Dhani Jones, who turned into a solid player but not one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time, obviously.
Brady went 22 picks later to New England and has won five Super Bowls. It’s not like the Giants and Accorsi came up empty-handed, though. The team he built, led by by Eli Manning, toppled Brady and the undefeated Patriots in Super Bowl XLII.
We have to give props to Accorsi for admitting this mistake. He could have gone with the Bill Pollian approach and said he actually had a first-round grade on Brady, which is either revisionist history or means Polian made the biggest mistake in draft history by passing on him multiple times.
Scott said everyone who goes up to New England hates playing there. They only play for Bellichick and put up with his shit because they know he'll deliver them a championship. Everyone thats gone there and not won has regretted it though. Not the first time I've heard that either.
Once Bellichick is gone, that whole thing is going to come crashing down.
How much money have Patriots players made signing massive free agent contracts on other teams? Solder, Trent Brown, Danny Amendola, Dion Lewis, Malcolm Butler, Logan Ryan, Trey Flowers, and many more. Belichick gets guys paid more money than they probably deserve.
It isn't surprising that Bart Scott is too stupid to grasp that.
RE: Was listening to Lefkoe a few days ago and he had Bart Scott on. Â
Scott said everyone who goes up to New England hates playing there. They only play for Bellichick and put up with his shit because they know he'll deliver them a championship. Everyone thats gone there and not won has regretted it though. Not the first time I've heard that either.
Once Bellichick is gone, that whole thing is going to come crashing down.
jobs ever will be to replace Tom Brady. Good luck to whoever gets that gig! When Belichick and Brady leaves, that whole thing will crater up in New England and those front runners will turn on them and give them tons of shit. And go back to what they did before 2001, which is to simply ignore the Patriots.
Kinda sounds like what happened to the New York Football Giants after their last Super Bowl Victory. The team cratered and now everyone gives the Giants shit. And it's a team easy to ignore... just take a look at how many national TV games the Giants participated in last year. And the team is still wandering around in the wilderness with holes all up and down their roster and being led by a Head Coach who can't even carry Bill Belichick's ditty bag.
How much money have Patriots players made signing massive free agent contracts on other teams? Solder, Trent Brown, Danny Amendola, Dion Lewis, Malcolm Butler, Logan Ryan, Trey Flowers, and many more. Belichick gets guys paid more money than they probably deserve.
It isn't surprising that Bart Scott is too stupid to grasp that.
Yeah, I'm no fan of Scott either. I think his point was that they hate playing there because its hard and incredibly demanding. I don't think thats a stretch. Most people know you don't get to where the Patriots have gotten without hard and demanding. But not just anyone can pull it off. The NFL isn't what it used to be and players don't respond to certain things the way they used to. Bellichick is a proven winner though, so they put up with it because they know he'll deliver.
RE: RE: Was listening to Lefkoe a few days ago and he had Bart Scott on. Â
Scott said everyone who goes up to New England hates playing there. They only play for Bellichick and put up with his shit because they know he'll deliver them a championship. Everyone thats gone there and not won has regretted it though. Not the first time I've heard that either.
Once Bellichick is gone, that whole thing is going to come crashing down.
I have heard, mostly, the complete opposite.
Who was Scott's source. Ocho Cinquo?
Couldn't possibly be the actual players he's come in contact with over his 10 years in the league.
Scott doesn't like Bellichick anyway. But he's also not the first player I've heard say that.
Brady is an incredible player, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that Belichick is the reason for the success, and they'd be winning 11+ games a year with someone else. They probably wouldn't win as many titles, but they'd be right there in the mix. The culture is the driver up there, I think.
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jobs ever will be to replace Tom Brady. Good luck to whoever gets that gig! When Belichick and Brady leaves, that whole thing will crater up in New England and those front runners will turn on them and give them tons of shit. And go back to what they did before 2001, which is to simply ignore the Patriots.
Brady is an incredible player, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that Belichick is the reason for the success, and they'd be winning 11+ games a year with someone else. They probably wouldn't win as many titles, but they'd be right there in the mix. The culture is the driver up there, I think.
GT I agree with this statement, especially with regards to not winning as many titles. Brady is a gamer and seems to always have those fantastic post season performances. However, seeing how Brissett, Cassell and company performed in Tom's absence, lends credence to this take.
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jobs ever will be to replace Tom Brady. Good luck to whoever gets that gig! When Belichick and Brady leaves, that whole thing will crater up in New England and those front runners will turn on them and give them tons of shit. And go back to what they did before 2001, which is to simply ignore the Patriots.
Brady is an incredible player, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that Belichick is the reason for the success, and they'd be winning 11+ games a year with someone else. They probably wouldn't win as many titles, but they'd be right there in the mix. The culture is the driver up there, I think.
Belichick has gone 14-6 without Brady since Brady became the starting QB for NE, so I think you're probably right. If he can coax a .700 winning pct out of such luminary QBs as Matt Cassel, Jacoby Brissett and Jimmy Garoppolo, I'd say the evidence suggests that BB can win without TB much more easily than the other way around (though we don't have any evidence for TB either way).
Yup. Besides, how are they getting Jones when the Giants draft him at #6;)
Yes, the Patriots went 11 - 5 with Cassel, however:
A: they missed the playoffs
B: they had historically analytically one of the easiest schedules in NFL history
C: it was 5 games worse than the prior season. Yes, the prior season was an all-time-great, but if you consider they would have very possibly duplicated 2007 in 2008 with Brady then going 5 games worse with your backup QB is probably not worth the feather in the cap everyone is placing there
Sometimes context tells a better picture than a surface evaluation like W/L.
BB is the greatest coach of all time and his right hand man (forgot his name ex hedge fund guy) are playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
BB is the greatest coach of all time and his right hand man (forgot his name ex hedge fund guy) are playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
Ernie Adams. He was with the Giants too in the mid 1980s as they started to build into a powerhouse. It wasn't a coincidence.
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and Brees and I guess I'd include Peyton in there as far as this generations QBs. Put those guys in New England and you have similar if not better results.
BB is the greatest coach of all time and his right hand man (forgot his name ex hedge fund guy) are playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
Ernie Adams. He was with the Giants too in the mid 1980s as they started to build into a powerhouse. It wasn't a coincidence.
Actually, he joined the Giants staff with Ray Perkins, and suggested Perkins hire Belichick for the Special Teams in the late 1970s. He moved to the front office in the mid 1980s and then left to make his money in hedge funds before rejoining Belichick in Cleveland.
Brady is an incredible player, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that Belichick is the reason for the success, and they'd be winning 11+ games a year with someone else. They probably wouldn't win as many titles, but they'd be right there in the mix. The culture is the driver up there, I think.
Belichick's culture doesn't work without Brady's buy-in (to that culture) and his incomparable commitment to his craft.
Toss in Brady's willingness to stay below his true market cap value and he makes Belichick's job immeasurably easier.
Every week Belichick goes into a game knowing this - Brady will figure it out. What an incredible luxury. Sorry, that's not a fungible asset.
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jobs ever will be to replace Tom Brady. Good luck to whoever gets that gig! When Belichick and Brady leaves, that whole thing will crater up in New England and those front runners will turn on them and give them tons of shit. And go back to what they did before 2001, which is to simply ignore the Patriots.
Brady is an incredible player, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that Belichick is the reason for the success, and they'd be winning 11+ games a year with someone else. They probably wouldn't win as many titles, but they'd be right there in the mix. The culture is the driver up there, I think.
Yes, the Patriots went 11 - 5 with Cassel, however:
A: they missed the playoffs
B: they had historically analytically one of the easiest schedules in NFL history
C: it was 5 games worse than the prior season. Yes, the prior season was an all-time-great, but if you consider they would have very possibly duplicated 2007 in 2008 with Brady then going 5 games worse with your backup QB is probably not worth the feather in the cap everyone is placing there
Sometimes context tells a better picture than a surface evaluation like W/L.
Oh, I think everyone here is very familiar with the idea that an 11 win season can be misleading - we saw our own 11-win outlier in 2016. But it's still 11 wins with Matt Cassel at the helm. For reference, Cassel went on to start 66 games elsewhere in the league after that season and compiled a record of 26-40 in those games.
Just because the context gives much greater insight doesn't mean the surface evaluation is irrelevant.
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season in New England is really sort of misunderstood and in reality the epitome of fool's gold.
Yes, the Patriots went 11 - 5 with Cassel, however:
A: they missed the playoffs
B: they had historically analytically one of the easiest schedules in NFL history
C: it was 5 games worse than the prior season. Yes, the prior season was an all-time-great, but if you consider they would have very possibly duplicated 2007 in 2008 with Brady then going 5 games worse with your backup QB is probably not worth the feather in the cap everyone is placing there
Sometimes context tells a better picture than a surface evaluation like W/L.
Oh, I think everyone here is very familiar with the idea that an 11 win season can be misleading - we saw our own 11-win outlier in 2016. But it's still 11 wins with Matt Cassel at the helm. For reference, Cassel went on to start 66 games elsewhere in the league after that season and compiled a record of 26-40 in those games.
Just because the context gives much greater insight doesn't mean the surface evaluation is irrelevant.
Of course, I agree, the surface isn't irrelevant, just IMO not as much of an accomplishment as some make it out to be when you understand the context.
Sometimes winning isn't, holy shit Belichick won 11 games with Cassel as the starter he can win with anyone (especially when KC won 10 with him as their starter in 2010), but why isn't it the Patriots won 11 games in 2008 with Cassel as their starter, and that was a 5 game drop-off from the prior year due in part to playing with a lesser QB.
Bellichick's known is QB for what 15 years? Probably wants the same type...........
So true... That fan base was nowhere to be seen in the mid 90s... Even with Parcells and Bledsoe... Now every Ma$$hole in Beantown has been a "lifelong" Pats fan
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jobs ever will be to replace Tom Brady. Good luck to whoever gets that gig! When Belichick and Brady leaves, that whole thing will crater up in New England and those front runners will turn on them and give them tons of shit. And go back to what they did before 2001, which is to simply ignore the Patriots.
Brady is an incredible player, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that Belichick is the reason for the success, and they'd be winning 11+ games a year with someone else. They probably wouldn't win as many titles, but they'd be right there in the mix. The culture is the driver up there, I think.
I agree Terps. BB is a genius, if he had wanted, he could have been an astro physicist.
LOL...and the legend of BB continues......
Astro physicist??? Okayyyyy.............
BB strikes me as the guy who has been in football his ENTIRE life. And he's awesome at it.
Via ESPN.com:
“[Walsh] didn’t just bring it up,” Accorsi said. “He was very forceful. Fought hard. No one listened. … It’s my fault that I didn’t act on his urging to draft Brady.
“Truly, the Brady story is one of the great mysteries of all time. It’s not like he was playing at Augustana. He threw four touchdown passes in the Orange Bowl against Alabama. … We were all asleep.”
Walsh says he had a “middle-to-late round grade”on Brady and lobbied for the team to take him with the team’s sixth-round pick. Accorsi opted for Michigan LB Dhani Jones, who turned into a solid player but not one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time, obviously.
Brady went 22 picks later to New England and has won five Super Bowls. It’s not like the Giants and Accorsi came up empty-handed, though. The team he built, led by by Eli Manning, toppled Brady and the undefeated Patriots in Super Bowl XLII.
We have to give props to Accorsi for admitting this mistake. He could have gone with the Bill Pollian approach and said he actually had a first-round grade on Brady, which is either revisionist history or means Polian made the biggest mistake in draft history by passing on him multiple times.
He made the right career choice.
Once Bellichick is gone, that whole thing is going to come crashing down.
It isn't surprising that Bart Scott is too stupid to grasp that.
Once Bellichick is gone, that whole thing is going to come crashing down.
I have heard, mostly, the complete opposite.
Who was Scott's source. Ocho Cinquo?
Patriots started out with a 31 - 0 loss to the Bills and lost week 4 at WAS to go to 2 - 2 then won the Super Bowl without losing again all season.
Everyone is waiting for this dynasty to end or to find something negative to say about it.
and I can't wait for it to end, living up here is brutal, but other than the cheating/scandals, most of it is BS rumors.
Kinda sounds like what happened to the New York Football Giants after their last Super Bowl Victory. The team cratered and now everyone gives the Giants shit. And it's a team easy to ignore... just take a look at how many national TV games the Giants participated in last year. And the team is still wandering around in the wilderness with holes all up and down their roster and being led by a Head Coach who can't even carry Bill Belichick's ditty bag.
It isn't surprising that Bart Scott is too stupid to grasp that.
Yeah, I'm no fan of Scott either. I think his point was that they hate playing there because its hard and incredibly demanding. I don't think thats a stretch. Most people know you don't get to where the Patriots have gotten without hard and demanding. But not just anyone can pull it off. The NFL isn't what it used to be and players don't respond to certain things the way they used to. Bellichick is a proven winner though, so they put up with it because they know he'll deliver.
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Scott said everyone who goes up to New England hates playing there. They only play for Bellichick and put up with his shit because they know he'll deliver them a championship. Everyone thats gone there and not won has regretted it though. Not the first time I've heard that either.
Once Bellichick is gone, that whole thing is going to come crashing down.
I have heard, mostly, the complete opposite.
Who was Scott's source. Ocho Cinquo?
Couldn't possibly be the actual players he's come in contact with over his 10 years in the league.
Scott doesn't like Bellichick anyway. But he's also not the first player I've heard say that.