Strictly based on tape and performance he might not even be top 20 in my book.
I don’t see Pass rush technique. No signature moves. No power to speed or speed to power rush moves. On tape he’s a guy who holds the point of attack well. Looked fine against the run.
I’m not drafting a guy whose shown little pass rush ability at 6. I don’t care what his athletic profile says, he is CLEARLY. VERY CLEARLY, behind Ed Oliver, sweat, and even some top DTs when it comes to pass rush skills.
Sorry, he screams Like he’ll be our version Vernon gholston if we take him at 6. I’d feel far more comfortable in the 30s.
For now, he's going to have a tough time shaking off those Nkemdiche comparisons.
26? As in which player do I have as the 26th best player?
I didn't include any OL or RBs in my big board, but to answer your question, Taylor Rapp
Not including RBs or OL, 115. I also have an extra list of guys I heard good things about, but never got around to watching/reading about.
You think top DE's don't have go to moves?
The Colts.
Flowers is a marginal athlete. He can't bend his knees and his balance is abysmal. Ereck ran a 5.31 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, and his vertical was 27 inches.
Gary's ceiling is first team All Pro.
Flowers is a marginal athlete. He can't bend his knees and his balance is abysmal. Ereck ran a 5.31 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, and his vertical was 27 inches.
Gary's ceiling is first team All Pro.
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Flowers is a marginal athlete. He can't bend his knees and his balance is abysmal. Ereck ran a 5.31 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, and his vertical was 27 inches.
Gary's ceiling is first team All Pro.
You think when Flowers was drafted the team didn't consider his ceiling All Pro or higher? You think Flower's combine performance and HWS numbers didn't reflect similarly as to an o-line as to a DE? You think 37 reps with 34.5in arms isn't genetic freak? You'd be wrong.
Rashan Gary is an athletic freak that has little production behind it.
Yeah Walt.
Try watching Bosa and how many times he’s got that dip and arm rip into a swimover. Both brothers have the same move, and I think nick is better at it than Joey was at the same age.
It’s actually exactly like madden.
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It is patently asinine to compare Gary to Ereck Flowers. Rashan is a genetic freak. He is one of the most physically gifted DL in college football history.
Flowers is a marginal athlete. He can't bend his knees and his balance is abysmal. Ereck ran a 5.31 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, and his vertical was 27 inches.
Gary's ceiling is first team All Pro.
You think when Flowers was drafted the team didn't consider his ceiling All Pro or higher? You think Flower's combine performance and HWS numbers didn't reflect similarly as to an o-line as to a DE? You think 37 reps with 34.5in arms isn't genetic freak? You'd be wrong.
Why do you keep comparing Flowers and Gary? Flowers was never a great athlete, ever. The bench press doesn't measure agility or speed at all. And Flowers can't move. It doesn't matter if you have the best bench press if you can't bend at the waist and defenders run around you.
If you want to say Gary underperformed in college, and doesn't have good pass rush moves, fine. But as an athlete there is no comparison between Flowers and Gary.
Rashan Gary is an athletic freak that has little production behind it.
So you’re saying he’s not a good/great run defender?
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It is patently asinine to compare Gary to Ereck Flowers. Rashan is a genetic freak. He is one of the most physically gifted DL in college football history.
Flowers is a marginal athlete. He can't bend his knees and his balance is abysmal. Ereck ran a 5.31 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, and his vertical was 27 inches.
Gary's ceiling is first team All Pro.
You think when Flowers was drafted the team didn't consider his ceiling All Pro or higher? You think Flower's combine performance and HWS numbers didn't reflect similarly as to an o-line as to a DE? You think 37 reps with 34.5in arms isn't genetic freak? You'd be wrong.
Why do you keep comparing Flowers and Gary? Flowers was never a great athlete, ever. The bench press doesn't measure agility or speed at all. And Flowers can't move. It doesn't matter if you have the best bench press if you can't bend at the waist and defenders run around you.
If you want to say Gary underperformed in college, and doesn't have good pass rush moves, fine. But as an athlete there is no comparison between Flowers and Gary.
Asked and answered you in the other thread. You didn't understand the argument there and still don't here.
Rashan Gary is an athletic freak that has little production behind it.
You do understand that "feet" for lineman don't measure in agility tests the same as DE? 6-6 330 34.5 arms + 37 reps + "special foot quickness" and "loose hips" equal linemane equivalent of freak. Why do you think Reese liked him? Hint: it wasn't his technique.
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Check his athletic scoring.
Rashan Gary is an athletic freak that has little production behind it.
You do understand that "feet" for lineman don't measure in agility tests the same as DE? 6-6 330 34.5 arms + 37 reps + "special foot quickness" and "loose hips" equal linemane equivalent of freak. Why do you think Reese liked him? Hint: it wasn't his technique.
Uhh I know exactly why Reese drafted him. Because he had size and had insane strength. But he was a terrible athlete even amongst his own OT peers.
https://relativeathleticscores.com/2017/11/17/all-time-first-round-ras/
He had amongst the lowest RAS score for OTs drafted in the first round ever.
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Check his athletic scoring.
Rashan Gary is an athletic freak that has little production behind it.
You do understand that "feet" for lineman don't measure in agility tests the same as DE? 6-6 330 34.5 arms + 37 reps + "special foot quickness" and "loose hips" equal linemane equivalent of freak. Why do you think Reese liked him? Hint: it wasn't his technique.
Uhh I know exactly why Reese drafted him. Because he had size and had insane strength. But he was a terrible athlete even amongst his own OT peers.
https://relativeathleticscores.com/2017/11/17/all-time-first-round-ras/
He had amongst the lowest RAS score for OTs drafted in the first round ever.
Your particular application of "athlete" is a distinction without a difference re DE and OL. It is physical traits.