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Remmers is a done deal as long as the giants are pleased with the results of his physical. Contract details all worked out as I already told you.

If they are that in love with Jones, don't fuck around, take him at 6.

this is the main reason I hate asshat info. I would LOVE this. Hocks is one of my favorites in the draft. Now my hopes are all up :(

Holy Thursday.

Here we go 😜

it's onetimeasshat reporting. Flies in the face everything JonC and jt have said where it's defense at 6 no QB in top 6.

And appreciate whoever provided it. Having said that, I hope it doesn't happen like that because I hate to think specific plans like that are leaking onto the internet a week before the draft - unless of course Buffalo is leaking it to drive up offers from Cincy and Washington.

I’d be surprised if Jones wasn’t a Giant.

in the top of THIS draft would make me sick.

would hate taking Jones at #6, or trading up to #9 for him or anyone else. This also goes against everything we have been told, which is that the Giants will take a defensive player at #6. And why trade Engram? He really came on at the end of the year. Sure, he's not a great blocker, but he's a mismatch in the open field, something we have little of after trading OBJ.

Jones.

If they traded back up into the top 10 and ended up with two offensive players in a defense heavy draft!

and the Giants draft day party will look like the Game of Thrones Red Wedding.

but, could one argue that the depth in defensive players in this draft is greater than the depth of offensive players? My point is, could this justify going for the cream of the crop offensively early while missing out on the best defensive talent because you can still get good defensive players later as compared to the offensive talent in later rounds.

you don't have to just take guys early. If we get Hockenson he could change the face of the offense. A TE that can be a dual threat is a HUGE advantage. It also takes the pressure off from having to find another WR early and improves our running game and play action. NObody is afraid of EE blocking! Nobody!

If the Giants love Jones then they should take him. End of story.

If we're taking a QB at #6 he should be starting from the outset.

there at 17 is something I wondered if the Giants would consider.

As for the Jones rumor, I just don't see it with the kid.

asshat or not. To me, they will want strong dual threat tight ends moving forward. He is the best trade asset they have right now.


...but i got a free Engram jersey this offseason sooooo c'mon!

In comment 14391934 bradshaw44 said:

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in the top of THIS draft would make me sick.

+1

Could probably get a 2 for him but no thanks. Why cant he and Hock play together?

If the Giants identify and REALLY think that Jones is their guy, so be it. I wouldn't be thrilled about it at 6, and would need to be convinced after seeing him play. That said, all the stars line up for him to be the guy and the Giants going through the "KC Model" letting him learn under Eli for a year.

I’d feel better as it would show some conviction in a QB as opposed to drafting one at 17. You don’t draft a QB because he is a value. He’s either a franchise guy or he’s not. And this may be ignorant but I don’t see the difference in the level of talent of a defensive player at 6 vs 17 (absent a top 3 guy falling to 6)

I've felt this for some time. EE is a good player and is coming into his own but I just don't see him in what DG is trying to build.

The marriage between Jones and the Giants seems to have been brewing for months. Of course, the Giants luck, this guy has not risen to a top 10 pick.

I just have nightmares of Dave Brown.

...and that's what we're discussing. Oh Boy the Draft makes people desperate for any crumb lol.

Are you able to confirm if it's the same person as onetimeasshat?

In comment 14391956 Torrag said:

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...and that's what we're discussing. Oh Boy the Draft makes people desperate for any crumb lol.

Where does it say this came from onetimeasshat? It doesn’t

more popcorn for this thread.

being worried about a guy being close to OBJ and his antics could easily be about EE. Most assumed it was SS but I have a feeling it was more about EE.

film I've seen on Jones, he appears to be a very smart, dink-and-dunk QB with an average arm, decent mobility. Personally, I don't see top 10 talent there.

In comment 14391963 Fast Eddie said:

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In comment 14391956 Torrag said: Quote: ...and that's what we're discussing. Oh Boy the Draft makes people desperate for any crumb lol. Where does it say this came from onetimeasshat? It doesn’t

Context clues.

Hockenson should be in play at 6.

I agree. #37 is the earliest I'd even consider drafting him...and probably not there in this Draft.

Maybe soti lol

In comment 14391962 JonC said:

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Are you able to confirm if it's the same person as onetimeasshat?

It had better not be that guy; he was a fraud.

In comment 14391966 Eric from BBI said:

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film I've seen on Jones, he appears to be a very smart, dink-and-dunk QB with an average arm, decent mobility. Personally, I don't see top 10 talent there.

^This. And I've seen a lot of Jones's games. I live near Baltimore. The ACC is on all the time in my area. Jones suffered from a bad OL and tons of drops by his receivers. He's also a tough kid to take all that pounding. But he's pretty much as you described. I would also add that his deep ball frequently floats because he puts too much arc on his downfield throws.

at 6 or 9 is the complete opposite of what jtgiants has been saying.

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top 10 talent, the league appears to think otherwise. It has been rumored that a number of teams are interested in Jones.

I'd rather see them on the field together. I would imagine, though, that if they did trade him they would then put a higher priority on WR.

In comment 14391975 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 14391962 JonC said: Quote: Are you able to confirm if it's the same person as onetimeasshat? It had better not be that guy; he was a fraud.

Very well could be based on his comments about Remmers.

Thanks for posting though.
Engram is now the only "big play" guy left on Offense. I highly doubt Giants would trade him. The "power football" idea is complete BS. This isn't the 1980s.

We have already heard the Jones rumors and the idea of trading up for a QB. The only reason the Giants would do that is if there is a MUST HAVE Defensive player at #6. Maybe if the Bama tackle falls, but who else? If draft goes like many project, he'll be long gone.

What Defensive Player is a MUST HAVE at #6?
If the Giants feel that confident on a QB, then they will take him at #6.

all ...

In comment 14391966 Eric from BBI said:

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film I've seen on Jones, he appears to be a very smart, dink-and-dunk QB with an average arm, decent mobility. Personally, I don't see top 10 talent there.

I hear ya...the only thing I would question is his confidence in his WRs. They were absolutely horrible and dropped countless passes thrown further down field so could that have colored his approach? I kinda look at Eli the same way with his lack of confidence in his Oline the last several years as he's clearly been affected by it and it absolutely has contributed to his play.

Jones at 6 will really, really bother me.

I won't make a big stink about it and whine all season because I didn't get my way. I just can't see the ceiling. He seems so limited.

Here's my question for the guys who really like Jones...

What is it about him that you're dreaming on?

For example, if you're big on Kyler Murray - I can get that. The guy has a skillset that has an immense ceiling. Will his size be a problem? It could. But the athletic ability, the arm, the ability to make all of the throws he makes... you can see how a best case outcome on Murray lands him in the top 10 NFL QB's somewhere in short order.

Even with Lock... you see the rifle arm. The guy makes great throws all over the field. Accuracy is concerning - especially short game. But you see what Patrick Mahomes did with his arm and ability and you can see a scenario where Drew Lock is a big time QB.

Haskins... the football IQ, the talent base, the outstanding short/midrange accuracy, being arguably the best pure passer in the draft. 50 TD's as a first year starter. 70%+. Plenty to like and project there.

Jones?

I just don't see it. I don't see a great arm. I don't see great mobility. I see limited and "best case" being an "average" NFL starter.

I don't want to draft a player 6th overall in a draft like this whose best case is average or "solid"

I could absolutely be wrong on Jones. I'll be the first one to tell you I didn't sit down and watch entire Duke games. But I've watched as much of him as I could and I'm just really struggling to see anything in his game that excites me or makes me feel like there's untapped potential.

I want a QB with the potential to be an upper echelon QB - a guy who can win you games. Not a "guy you can win with" - which is what I feel Jones is going to be touted as.

In comment 14391965 jvm52106 said:

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being worried about a guy being close to OBJ and his antics could easily be about EE. Most assumed it was SS but I have a feeling it was more about EE.

I don't think that's remotely accurate. I think DG has an idea of what this team should look like (Cowboys North) and Engram doesn't fit the profile because of his blocking inadequacy. If Hock falls in their lap, they've at least considered drafting him and moving Engram.

In comment 14391968 Chris684 said:

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Hockenson should be in play at 6.

Not good value to spend it on a TE at 6 when this team needs an immediate infusion of defensive starters.

they have spoken with every team between 7-16 to lay out a framework for a deal to move up. This is not surprising.

While I like that tight end, it would be really hard to imagine them spending that much capital on a tight end - a position where we already have a quality player, even if he's not exactly the style the coaches might prefer. And I'm sure some people in the room will object in principle to taking a tight end that high

onetimeasshat...that was other people and I have no idea where it came from..

there is a great divide between the opinion of Jones on BBI and the opinion of Jones in NFL circles.

Not trying to put anyone down but which opinion is more meaningful if true?

course teams are more interested in Jones, Lock, and Haskins than they should be. They convince themselves these are better than they originally thought because they're desperate for a QB. Teams overvalue QBs every year out of desperation. Remember Christian Ponder and E.J. Manuel?

As far as EE is concerned, yes, he was yet another one of Reese's "measurables" guys, but as a receiving TE his speed is unmatched. He can really threaten the middle of the field, and run away from defenders. I'd be loathe to trade him, especially after his performance at the end of the year, and because he's still on his rookie contract.