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| The giants and bills have discussed a deal to move up to #9 for jones. I'm told it's more likely they just take Jones at six. reason being is the giants think both washington and Cincinatti want Jones as well. Giants may still trade up to 9 if they take Jones at six for either a defensive player or hockenson. They've fielded calls on Engram as they dont see him as a fit in a powerfootball esque offense. Remmers is a done deal as long as the giants are pleased with the results of his physical. Contract details all worked out as I already told you. |
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is looking for unicorns at the QB position b/c this class and next year's class all are flawed to one degree or another. Does Locke have his head on straight? Is Haskin's production a product of the talent around him? Does Jones have the Arm strength to be an effective NFL QB? Will Fromm or Herbert overcome their decidedly mediocre at best offensive coaching and develop? Is Tua the product of Bama's talent, can he carry a team by himself?
It's just a matter of how comfortable you feel with associated flaw.
I agree with all of that, actually.
I wouldn't say, however, I'm looking for a unicorn. I'm analyzing the skills/situations/comps, and then trying to assess the proper value.
I'll say this - next year's class is very fascinating to me. And it's less about Tua and Fromm and more about Herbert and Eason. I think each of them are more talented than Tua and Fromm and have considerably more upside. I'll be watching each carefully this year, especially Eason, who I think could be the prize of 2020.
Jesus Christ. Bw and I agree on something on QBs since I’ve been promoting Eason this offseason.
Time to re-evaluate my stance on life.
Actually drafting Jones assures us that Eli will be extended to continue as starter through the course of Jones first 4-5 year contract, because Jones will never eclipse Eli on the depth chart.
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If we're taking a QB at #6 he should be starting from the outset.
Actually drafting Jones assures us that Eli will be extended to continue as starter through the course of Jones first 4-5 year contract, because Jones will never eclipse Eli on the depth chart.
I don't know. I think this offense has been a terrible fit for Eli since Gilbride left. The things he does well have largely been taken away by the lack of talent around him and his own coaching. It's been a classic case of a square peg in a round hole.
In comment 14392195 Brown_Hornet said:
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If we're taking a QB at #6 he should be starting from the outset.
Actually drafting Jones assures us that Eli will be extended to continue as starter through the course of Jones first 4-5 year contract, because Jones will never eclipse Eli on the depth chart.
I don't know. I think this offense has been a terrible fit for Eli since Gilbride left. The things he does well have largely been taken away by the lack of talent around him and his own coaching. It's been a classic case of a square peg in a round hole.
It was fine in '14 and '15. Those were two pretty good years.
It went off the rails under McAdoo in '16 and '17 when you saw him have full control of the offense and it was not the right fit.
I think Shurmur figures a way to utilize Eli this year much more effectively, and a better OL is going to help big time.
Has to be same person as onetimeasshat, no?
Has to be the return of "SLADE"
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In comment 14391966 Eric from BBI said:
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film I've seen on Jones, he appears to be a very smart, dink-and-dunk QB with an average arm, decent mobility. Personally, I don't see top 10 talent there.
He’s not a top 10-15 guy, and I couldn’t care less what “NFL people” think of the guy. If you watched the Duke games last year, his ball placement - even on many passes he completed - was poor. There isn’t anything he does particularly well.
Picking a guy because of his coach - or his Eli/Peyton connection is sheer stupidity. People are ignoring this because the Giants May be picking Jones because Eli will have an easier time accepting it due to his relationship with Jones. I don’t believe Jones would be considered anywhere near the first if he had not been coached by Cutcliffe. That makes him a huge red flag. Pick the guy because of what you think he can do, not who coached him. I feel like teams love the coach more than the player and are picking him for that reason.
So you don't care what the people who are actual professionals in scouting, who have seen Jones in private workouts, who have interviewed him and his coaches, say? You would rather go by you watching a Duke game or two on CBS? I think this summarizes the youtube generation perfectly.
Yeah, I'm not going to accept the prevailing opinion of medical professionals,I'm going with what my second cousin who went to one year of pharmacy school told me.
Or maybe Saquon covers up faults and acts as a grout between the stones.
One of the advantages of Shurmur's experience is he knows one size does not fit all.
I'm sure if the Giants draft Jones at #6 the media will say it was a reach/poor pick, but if the Pats make a trade up into the top 10 to take him the media will say that Little Bill is a genius.
Yes.
Eric, is this a Shurmur QB?
No. What's wrong with letting a rookie QB sit for a year? I know the salary cap year matters to some extent, but letting a rookie QB sit and learn for a year tends to pay off dividends, even in the modern salary cap era.
I was a big fan of Daniel Jones in college as a Duke grad, but always saw him as more of a second round type guy. Also, the one thing I never understood is, I know he got great coaching from Cutcliffe, but he almost never took a snap from under center. Duke doesn't run a real pro style offense. I'm sure he learned a lot about pro-style reads from Cutcliffe, but still I think he barely ever took a snap from under center.
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Engram for one of their second or third round picks? Are you kidding? How about for ALL of their second and third round picks! I would not give up Engram for anything less than a 1st round pick or two second round picks.
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there is a great divide between the opinion of Jones on BBI and the opinion of Jones in NFL circles.
Not trying to put anyone down but which opinion is more meaningful if true?
Just because NFL teams like a player doesn’t mean they are right. As I said in my other post, I feel they love his coach, not him. I really can’t remember the last time I heard a coach mentioned more than the actual QB prospect when evaluating the actual prospect. It’s absurd.
Nearly as absurd as you believing that you know more than professional football scouts.
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there is a great divide between the opinion of Jones on BBI and the opinion of Jones in NFL circles.
Not trying to put anyone down but which opinion is more meaningful if true?
Just because NFL teams like a player doesn’t mean they are right. As I said in my other post, I feel they love his coach, not him. I really can’t remember the last time I heard a coach mentioned more than the actual QB prospect when evaluating the actual prospect. It’s absurd.
Nearly as absurd as you believing that you know more than professional football scouts.
Its crazy isn't it. Some here on BBI actually DO think they know more that professional NFL scouts and executives.
His statistics were all worse, his team wasn't better, against weaker competition, his supporting talent was hardly different than Jones', and in terms of size and athleticism Jones compares favorably.
I don't know who will end up the better player. I'm sure there are some gray areas, debatable differences, scouts who have preference for one or the other, etc. The point is there's a lot of bending over backwards to hate on Jones as a prospect by the same people who were QB or bust last year at #2 - Josh Allen included.
His statistics were all worse, his team wasn't better, against weaker competition, his supporting talent was hardly different than Jones', and in terms of size and athleticism Jones compares favorably.
I don't know who will end up the better player. I'm sure there are some gray areas, debatable differences, scouts who have preference for one or the other, etc. The point is there's a lot of bending over backwards to hate on Jones as a prospect by the same people who were QB or bust last year at #2 - Josh Allen included.
Josh Allen is one of the biggest boom or bust QB picks in recent memory. His arm talent, size, and athleticism are great but I don't think he will ever reach his immense upside. The accuracy concerns are just too big of a concern for me. I think Lock is a better comp for Allen. Allen has the better arm talent but Lock is more accurate.