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Dave Gettleman - Talent isn't everything

BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/18/2019 1:28 pm
Also Dave Gettleman - You don't give up on talent.

Which is it Dave?


Giants GM Dave Gettleman amid odd offseason: Talent isnít everything - ( New Window )
He explained exactly what he meant.  
Britt in VA : 4/18/2019 1:31 pm : link
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ďRoster building is not just about acquiring talent, but about finding players who fit athletically, intellectually and culturally with what youíre trying to accomplish,Ē Gettleman said Thursday afternoon from MetLife Stadium.
Ummm how about  
Amtoft : 4/18/2019 1:31 pm : link
you don't give up on talent, but Talent isn't everything?
That article is as disjointed as your threadstart.  
Britt in VA : 4/18/2019 1:31 pm : link
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RE: Ummm how about  
Britt in VA : 4/18/2019 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14392180 Amtoft said:
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you don't give up on talent, but Talent isn't everything?


gasp.
RE: Ummm how about  
Chris in Philly : 4/18/2019 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14392180 Amtoft said:
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you don't give up on talent, but Talent isn't everything?


It's the comma that throws everyone off...
Which crappy beat guy wrote that article?  
ZogZerg : 4/18/2019 1:35 pm : link
Just Pathetic.
I guess they got you post the link, so they are getting traffic.
Makes sense to me  
Giantsfanincuse : 4/18/2019 1:36 pm : link
Lots of talented players donít succeed
RE: Ummm how about  
UConn4523 : 4/18/2019 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14392180 Amtoft said:
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you don't give up on talent, but Talent isn't everything?


Haha, made me laugh because its exactly what I thought. People really do read what they want to read.
The article sucks because it is trying to create an issue  
steve in ky : 4/18/2019 1:39 pm : link
which isn't even there. But the quote may offer some insight into his thinking.

For those that follow college ball, which QB out of this group is considered to have the greatest mental toughness? Is it in question with any of these guys?
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Britt in VA : 4/18/2019 1:41 pm : link
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/18/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14392193 Britt in VA said:
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You are insufferable. How brown can your nose actually be?
Mental toughness.....Jones would be my guess  
George from PA : 4/18/2019 1:43 pm : link
As both Haskins and Lock have been knocked for mental toughness
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Britt in VA : 4/18/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14392199 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14392193 Britt in VA said:


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You are insufferable. How brown can your nose actually be?


You're the one that made the dumbass post, meant to incite the mob. Own it.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/18/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14392204 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14392199 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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In comment 14392193 Britt in VA said:


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You are insufferable. How brown can your nose actually be?



You're the one that made the dumbass post, meant to incite the mob. Own it.


The only person to post multiple times besides myself calling you out, is you! You are the angry mob.
Haha, okay.  
Britt in VA : 4/18/2019 1:48 pm : link
Did you read the rest of the replies?

Leave this up, this thread is enjoyable. Hard hitting journalism and posting, here.

"SO WHICH IS IT DG, HMMMM!?!?!?! lol
RE: Haha, okay.  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/18/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14392217 Britt in VA said:
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Did you read the rest of the replies?

Leave this up, this thread is enjoyable. Hard hitting journalism and posting, here.

"SO WHICH IS IT DG, HMMMM!?!?!?! lol


Never even raised my voice by using Caps. The story is trending on Twitter right now. I just posted it. You don't have to be a complete asshole all the damn time is the point.

I didn't even say I was leaning one way or the other.
sorry....  
Britt in VA : 4/18/2019 1:57 pm : link
you know, on second thought, maybe you (and Twitter) have something here. Somebody should get this clear contradiction into the press room pronto, and somebody can finally nail that snake in the grass.
RE: Mental toughness.....Jones would be my guess  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/18/2019 1:59 pm : link
In comment 14392200 George from PA said:
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As both Haskins and Lock have been knocked for mental toughness


Please cite whoever questioned Haskins' mental toughness and why. His game tape, especially later in the season, indicates the opposite.
RE: RE: Mental toughness.....Jones would be my guess  
Giants38 : 4/18/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14392229 BlueLou'sBack said:
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In comment 14392200 George from PA said:


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As both Haskins and Lock have been knocked for mental toughness



Please cite whoever questioned Haskins' mental toughness and why. His game tape, especially later in the season, indicates the opposite.


I imagine this comment and his other about the mentality of playing QB in NY favor Jones, and he is laying the groundwork for that nonsense. I donít know that Iíve seen anyone question Haskinsí mental toughness, and he grew up in the area.
Talent isn't everything....  
BillKo : 4/18/2019 2:06 pm : link
....should be rather obvious. If you have talent but dog it or aren't a team player, it can effect maximizing the end result.

But, at the same time, you don't give up on talent because a player might actually get there, needing time to figure it out. Maybe it should be written don't give on talent for a player that wants to reach his goal.


I run a summer baseball team. I'd rather have a good player who shows up for every game with max effort, rather than a truly great player who misses games and doesn't hustle all the time.

I can literally see how it effects the team........

Sometimes  
AcidTest : 4/18/2019 3:19 pm : link
listening to Gettleman reminds me of what Mark Twain meant when he said, "the more he explains it, the more I don't understand it."
RE: He explained exactly what he meant.  
Giantz_comeback : 4/18/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14392179 Britt in VA said:
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ďRoster building is not just about acquiring talent, but about finding players who fit athletically, intellectually and culturally with what youíre trying to accomplish,Ē Gettleman said Thursday afternoon from MetLife Stadium.



Bye, bye Engram, hello AJ Brown (or Butler)?
Think DG is a very proven, shrewd dude.  
TMS : 4/18/2019 4:05 pm : link
Thats why we hired him. Give him a chance . Thought he has done very well so far. Lighten up and lets see what happens.
RE: Think DG is a very proven, shrewd dude.  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/18/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14392443 TMS said:
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Thats why we hired him. Give him a chance . Thought he has done very well so far. Lighten up and lets see what happens.

You think that's why they hired him? Not because he already had a key to the executive washroom?
RE: Sometimes  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/18/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14392382 AcidTest said:
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listening to Gettleman reminds me of what Mark Twain meant when he said, "the more he explains it, the more I don't understand it."

Listen to DG long enough and you will eventually hear every side of the same argument. He talks himself in circles over time, mostly because he just likes to talk.
It's pretty clear he was bullshitting last year  
Go Terps : 4/18/2019 4:13 pm : link
He's already given up on Beckham, and Shurmur convinced him to keep him. Terrible, terrible job by Gettleman.
Some of you really need shit spelled out I see  
djm : 4/18/2019 4:14 pm : link
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RE: It's pretty clear he was bullshitting last year  
djm : 4/18/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14392458 Go Terps said:
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He's already given up on Beckham, and Shurmur convinced him to keep him. Terrible, terrible job by Gettleman.


If we let Beckham walk we donít have pick 17, an extra 3rd the better 4th and peppers.

Which would you prefer? 10-15 mil in cap space this very moment which weíd use to overpay someone, or those picks???

Dg handled the Beckham situation masterfully. But itís the giants so we have to bash every single move. If the pats did this everyone would be blowing them for it. Oh wait, they have done this.
All I know is  
djm : 4/18/2019 4:22 pm : link
The giants had one of the best drafts in 2018. This is a fact. They brought in more young and productive talent than just about any nfl team. They now have more picks than any team going in 2019 which includes 3 picks within the top 35. This time next season the giants will have approx 100 million in cap space.

Someone find a way to complain about this. Have at it.
I love how DG  
RinR : 4/18/2019 4:24 pm : link
gets some of you all spun up. Reading into everything he says.

too funny
But..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/18/2019 4:25 pm : link
djm, he said some dismissive crap about analytics, talked about the "Hand of God" and now is talking in circles about talent.

Clearly words matter more!!!
Iím not talking about how good or bad they were in 2018  
djm : 4/18/2019 4:31 pm : link
Iím just talking strictly about roster building and how some of you canít go five minutes without shitting all over DG. And why? Because he said something in a stupid press conference ?

Are the giants in a better place from a cap mgmt POV and draft capital POV? Have they shed most if not all of the dead weight? Have they jettisoned the so called malcontents? Or am I missing something? What if they win 8-9 games this coming season and head into 2020 with all that space?

But DG said some shit one day.
Here perhaps this example  
jvm52106 : 4/18/2019 4:41 pm : link
will help you with DG's statement:

Jeff George- physically talented, arm talent as good as any QB ever- 10 cent head, not liked by teammates and never had much of a winning aura or leadership aura....


The guy walked into a clusterf$@k  
DonnieD89 : 4/18/2019 5:00 pm : link
situation and we know he is trying to clean it up. DG is trying to build a team that is visualizes to be successful. You have to wait and see what happens, before we start complaining. I remember almost everyone on board parroting "In Jerry Reese we Trust". That's because his first years as a GM, he won a SB early, walking into a good situation. He can thank Ernie for that. Took a while to see that his drafts, caused damage to this organization. DG walked into a shit hole and is trying to fix it. All I say is let's give this guy a chance before crucifying him. I bet you, if this team starts winning soon, the whining will be less (Some people will still complain, because they still don't want him to succeed).
RE: But..  
djm : 4/18/2019 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14392472 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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djm, he said some dismissive crap about analytics, talked about the "Hand of God" and now is talking in circles about talent.

Clearly words matter more!!!


Itís crazy how some harmless statements get so many here worked up. Do people honestly believe the giants arenít employing analytics? How did they win all of those games from 2005-2012? Sheer luck? How did they land four terrific talents in last yearís draft? Pin the tail on the donkey?

You canít conjure up how bad the giants were from 2013-2017. Dg has been here for one year. Let the guy make his mark first before you bash him at every turn.

RE: RE: It's pretty clear he was bullshitting last year  
Go Terps : 4/18/2019 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14392464 djm said:
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He's already given up on Beckham, and Shurmur convinced him to keep him. Terrible, terrible job by Gettleman.



If we let Beckham walk we donít have pick 17, an extra 3rd the better 4th and peppers.

Which would you prefer? 10-15 mil in cap space this very moment which weíd use to overpay someone, or those picks???

Dg handled the Beckham situation masterfully. But itís the giants so we have to bash every single move. If the pats did this everyone would be blowing them for it. Oh wait, they have done this.


Who said anything about letting him walk? They should have traded him a year before they actually did.
RE: Iím not talking about how good or bad they were in 2018  
ColHowPepper : 4/18/2019 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14392482 djm said:
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Iím just talking strictly about roster building and how some of you canít go five minutes without shitting all over DG. And why? Because he said something in a stupid press conference ?

Are the giants in a better place from a cap mgmt POV and draft capital POV? Have they shed most if not all of the dead weight? Have they jettisoned the so called malcontents? Or am I missing something? What if they win 8-9 games this coming season and head into 2020 with all that space?

But DG said some shit one day.
That's all well and good by you, djm, because the FO didn't touch your sacred cow. Were it the contrary, you would turn 180. Be real.

Be real: DG talks a lot of shit. And in terms of talent not being everything, ok, fair enough, but let's not elevate breeding over talent/ability to play the game. There's an acceptable middle ground. And by breeding, I mean the Maras' comfort zone, Christian Peter, OBJ (as long as he lasted), notwithstanding.
RE: All I know is  
TMS : 4/18/2019 7:24 pm : link
In comment 14392468 djm said:
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The giants had one of the best drafts in 2018. This is a fact. They brought in more young and productive talent than just about any nfl team. They now have more picks than any team going in 2019 which includes 3 picks within the top 35. This time next season the giants will have approx 100 million in cap space. Great post and on the money. MO

Someone find a way to complain about this. Have at it.
RE: Some of you really need shit spelled out I see  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/18/2019 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14392460 djm said:
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No, that's a pretty simple word to spell. Maybe you can work on spelling myopia.
RE: All I know is  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/18/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14392468 djm said:
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The giants had one of the best drafts in 2018. This is a fact. They brought in more young and productive talent than just about any nfl team. They now have more picks than any team going in 2019 which includes 3 picks within the top 35. This time next season the giants will have approx 100 million in cap space.

Someone find a way to complain about this. Have at it.

6, 17, and... what's the third pick in the top 35?
RE: RE: Iím not talking about how good or bad they were in 2018  
djm : 4/18/2019 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14392533 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 14392482 djm said:


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Iím just talking strictly about roster building and how some of you canít go five minutes without shitting all over DG. And why? Because he said something in a stupid press conference ?

Are the giants in a better place from a cap mgmt POV and draft capital POV? Have they shed most if not all of the dead weight? Have they jettisoned the so called malcontents? Or am I missing something? What if they win 8-9 games this coming season and head into 2020 with all that space?

But DG said some shit one day.

That's all well and good by you, djm, because the FO didn't touch your sacred cow. Were it the contrary, you would turn 180. Be real.

Be real: DG talks a lot of shit. And in terms of talent not being everything, ok, fair enough, but let's not elevate breeding over talent/ability to play the game. There's an acceptable middle ground. And by breeding, I mean the Maras' comfort zone, Christian Peter, OBJ (as long as he lasted), notwithstanding.


What sacred cow? Eli? If they traded him yesterday Iíd understand the move and support it.That said I donít think Eli or his contract is nearly the big bad wolf many here believe. Heís a perfect caretaker who might just win a lot of games here in 2019 if the team isnít chicken fried shit. What a novel concept, I know.
RE: RE: All I know is  
djm : 4/18/2019 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14392701 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14392468 djm said:


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The giants had one of the best drafts in 2018. This is a fact. They brought in more young and productive talent than just about any nfl team. They now have more picks than any team going in 2019 which includes 3 picks within the top 35. This time next season the giants will have approx 100 million in cap space.

Someone find a way to complain about this. Have at it.


6, 17, and... what's the third pick in the top 35?


Wow you got me there.... top 40....whatever.

Myopic? Iíve been a fan of this team for 35 years plus. My posts and overall takes here couldnít be any more far sighted if I tried. You sure you found the right word there?
Go ahead and get the vapors over some stupid lip service shit  
djm : 4/18/2019 7:38 pm : link
Its what some of you do best.
Talent isnt the end all be all  
Giantz_comeback : 4/19/2019 4:41 am : link
You need the right character as well to realize full potential.

DG is right.
RE: All I know is  
TMS : 4/19/2019 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14392468 djm said:
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The giants had one of the best drafts in 2018. This is a fact. They brought in more young and productive talent than just about any nfl team. They now have more picks than any team going in 2019 which includes 3 picks within the top 35. This time next season the giants will have approx 100 million in cap space.

Someone find a way to complain about this. Have at it.
Good post .totally agree.
RE: All I know is  
GothamGiants : 4/19/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14392468 djm said:
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The giants had one of the best drafts in 2018. This is a fact. They brought in more young and productive talent than just about any nfl team. They now have more picks than any team going in 2019 which includes 3 picks within the top 35. This time next season the giants will have approx 100 million in cap space.

Someone find a way to complain about this. Have at it.


Amen. All the more reason to stack up that elite talent on D this year then use all that cap money to plug any remaining holes with quality veterans.

Build the defense, fortify the OL, make life easy for whoever the QB is
RE: RE: It's pretty clear he was bullshitting last year  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/19/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14392464 djm said:
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In comment 14392458 Go Terps said:


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He's already given up on Beckham, and Shurmur convinced him to keep him. Terrible, terrible job by Gettleman.



If we let Beckham walk we donít have pick 17, an extra 3rd the better 4th and peppers.

Which would you prefer? 10-15 mil in cap space this very moment which weíd use to overpay someone, or those picks???

Dg handled the Beckham situation masterfully. But itís the giants so we have to bash every single move. If the pats did this everyone would be blowing them for it. Oh wait, they have done this.


If the Giants won like the Patriots, nobody here would be doubting how they run their business. They don't win much at all.

Cellar dweller teams get criticized. That's how it should be.

Everybody loves the old talking point of 'players on scholarship'. Let's apply the same standard to produce results on coaches, GMs and management too.
Trading Beckham last year probably nets a lesser return..  
Sean : 4/19/2019 7:36 pm : link
Trading for a player in a contract year is tough, he was going to command huge money. We got a nice haul.
I'm trying to be a kinder, gentler poster...so...  
Torrag : 4/19/2019 11:24 pm : link
Please stop wasting my time with drivel.
RE: Go ahead and get the vapors over some stupid lip service shit  
Greg from LI : 4/19/2019 11:34 pm : link
In comment 14392723 djm said:
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Its what some of you do best.


And waving the pom-poms for everything this loser organization does is what you do best.
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