That's 55 yards with clean pocket stepping up big time. Why you gotta lie or you just bad at math
Sorry I miscounted because it was gif and I was trying to post quickly. Why do I have to be lying and you have to type in a sentence structure that makes you sound like a teenager on Facebook?
and it's fun. But there is an awful lot of Eli in Daniel Jones, and possibly a more athletic Eli. And while I love Eli, I can't be blind to the totality of his NFL career.
And I prefer Lock to Jones, despite Jones' impeccable mechanics, as with Lock I see more passion and a hair trigger release. When I watch Jones, I'm reminded of Eli. When I watch Lock, I see the young Bradshaw.
a nice 55 yard or so bomb with good loft and placement. That is probably his limit, but let me ask you. How many throws last year by NFL QBs do you think were throw per game longer than 55 yards in the air?
Exactly. That doesnt really happen any more. Unless you have a guy who can win a 50/50 ball while covered like Randy Moss, most teams dont have that in their arsenal.
and it's fun. But there is an awful lot of Eli in Daniel Jones, and possibly a more athletic Eli. And while I love Eli, I can't be blind to the totality of his NFL career.
And I prefer Lock to Jones, despite Jones' impeccable mechanics, as with Lock I see more passion and a hair trigger release. When I watch Jones, I'm reminded of Eli. When I watch Lock, I see the young Bradshaw.
I don't get the Eli comments other than they look a little alike but Eli has a much bigger arm and Jones is much faster and agile. He had a 7.00 3 cone for goodness sake. Maybe because they both have nice movement in the pocket.
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Tom Brady. So is Drew Brees. These guys can't throw it deep anymore the way they used to. And they don't really have to. Arm strength is the single most overrated aspect of a QB's ability. Rarely is it a significant plus, and rarely is it a significant minus.
Drew Brees doesn't put up incredible numbers every year because he can throw it deep. He does it because his footwork, balance, timing, and accuracy are all elite.
Excellent point. Give me a guy who can throw the ball 15-35 yards accurately, get first downs with his feet when necessary, take a hit and get up looking at the sideline for the next play and is not afraid of competing against the best and that is the surest thing at quarterback you can ask for.
Ill take the sure to be good to very good QB over the guy who might be Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford or could potentiall be Brett Favre.
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and it's fun. But there is an awful lot of Eli in Daniel Jones, and possibly a more athletic Eli. And while I love Eli, I can't be blind to the totality of his NFL career.
And I prefer Lock to Jones, despite Jones' impeccable mechanics, as with Lock I see more passion and a hair trigger release. When I watch Jones, I'm reminded of Eli. When I watch Lock, I see the young Bradshaw.
I don't get the Eli comments other than they look a little alike but Eli has a much bigger arm and Jones is much faster and agile. He had a 7.00 3 cone for goodness sake. Maybe because they both have nice movement in the pocket.
I agree he's faster and more agile, that's why I described him as more athletic, though I don't know that his arm is much worse than Eli's, certainly not the 2018 version of Eli.
But it's his mechanics and how he looks in the that reminds me most of Eli.
Tom Brady. So is Drew Brees. These guys can't throw it deep anymore the way they used to. And they don't really have to. Arm strength is the single most overrated aspect of a QB's ability. Rarely is it a significant plus, and rarely is it a significant minus.
Drew Brees doesn't put up incredible numbers every year because he can throw it deep. He does it because his footwork, balance, timing, and accuracy are all elite.
Yeh but most guys get to that point in the league because they have been there for 15 years. They can get away with not having good arm strength because of the way they see the game and unbelievable accuracy. In the beginning accuracy isn't enough because it takes a long time to get the type of mental processing they posess.
I have a big pause on guys like Daniel Jones because Â
there is a big projection there. Either they are going to be pick 6 guys all over the place or they learn to adapt in the NFL ala Rivers and Foles. I actually think Jones will end up being a similar player to Foles.
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Tom Brady. So is Drew Brees. These guys can't throw it deep anymore the way they used to. And they don't really have to. Arm strength is the single most overrated aspect of a QB's ability. Rarely is it a significant plus, and rarely is it a significant minus.
Drew Brees doesn't put up incredible numbers every year because he can throw it deep. He does it because his footwork, balance, timing, and accuracy are all elite.
Yeh but most guys get to that point in the league because they have been there for 15 years. They can get away with not having good arm strength because of the way they see the game and unbelievable accuracy. In the beginning accuracy isn't enough because it takes a long time to get the type of mental processing they posess.
Accuracy is always important. His arm isn't a noodle in fact when people talk about who he looks like I would say DeShaun Watson who many said he didn't have the arm strength at QB.
it's been reported that the Giants spent one of their private interviews on Jarrett Stidham, so it's possible he could be a contingency pick later in the draft as well.
Watson has elite escapability and play extension ability.
Jones does not.
You sure about that... athletically they are very similar
Quite sure.
Watson made several highlight reel plays by dodging multiple defenders and buying himself time to throw a bomb down the field to an open Will Fuller or DeAndre Hopkins.
Jones isn't going to make plays like this in the NFL...
Jones looks like a better pure thrower than Watson Â
I absolutely believe Shurmur has a lot of input. In fact, I think he has more than anyone. If they draft a QB in the 1st round, it'll be Shurmurs guy. I don't know that for sure obviously, but its just my opinion...which is why I'm not worried about it. If they pick Jones, I think Shurmur knows he can make him successful.
I sure hope not. Shurmur hasn't been successful enough to deserve a draft strategy tailored around satisfying his preferences.
Watson has elite escapability and play extension ability.
Jones does not.
You sure about that... athletically they are very similar
Quite sure.
Watson made several highlight reel plays by dodging multiple defenders and buying himself time to throw a bomb down the field to an open Will Fuller or DeAndre Hopkins.
Jones isn't going to make plays like this in the NFL...
Conversely, I think Jones is a lot quicker thinker with the ball and a much more durable QB than Watson.
Fwiw, I dont think the athletic comparison to Watson is correct. Someone compared him athletically to Tannenhill. THAT I agree with.
Btw arc, I was more than a touch drunk last night when I broke your balls on the Yanks thread. I didnt mean to call you out, just saw other bust you about becoming a Yanks fan and prob used bad judgement. No hard feelings?
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He's not going to have time to stutter step forward like he showed in that video in a NFL pocket in order to put everything behind the throw.
I dont see that as a Stutter step to unleash a heave, I think he was timing up his weak ass receiver. Its not like he uncorked it by spinning himself into the ground. He has a timing with his receivers and he may have jad to let the route develop.
I view that throw as a guy who knows he has a pocket and a shot at a deep play. He timed things up nicely and made a great throw.
Jones probably is a better pure thrower than Watson - just pointing out that a lot of what makes Watson special are plays like I posted above. He has an incredible knack for buying time with his legs and dodging pass rushers - they've busted off so many big pass plays that way because DB's just can't stay stuck on the route runners for as long as he's got defenders chasing him around behind the LOS.
That aspect of Watson's game is what makes him so dangerous. Teams go into games against Houston game planning to contain him and keep him from getting outside the pocket and doing the types of stuff he's doing above.
Jones doesn't have that. He's not painfully unathletic or anything, you can run some read option stuff with him and itll probably work fine... and if he's back there on a dropback with safeties deep and guys dropping into coverage and sees a running lane, I'm sure he can pick up some yards.
I just don't like the idea of spending a 1st round pick on a QB who we're talking about like a game manager already.
We should be taking a guy who can actually win us some football games by virtue of his ability. Not a guy who is just going to be a passenger and need everything around him to be right... which is what we're dealing with now.
True, Eli's contract vs. a rookie QB contract will certainly impact our ability to surround the QB with more talent... but so many opinions of Jones just seem to be more of the "he can get it done" variety than "he can be one of the better QB's in the game" or be something special.
I absolutely believe Shurmur has a lot of input. In fact, I think he has more than anyone. If they draft a QB in the 1st round, it'll be Shurmurs guy. I don't know that for sure obviously, but its just my opinion...which is why I'm not worried about it. If they pick Jones, I think Shurmur knows he can make him successful.
I sure hope not. Shurmur hasn't been successful enough to deserve a draft strategy tailored around satisfying his preferences.
He's been successful enough at teaching quarterbacks how to quarterback and thats my point.
Not saying I couldn't buy into or root for Haskins, Jones or even Grier. I just think Lock has the most to work with and considering Eli will be the starter for the next season, the next QB will have some time to develop and get some pro coaching. Lock has the best arm, is athletic, has prototypical size and lots of experience.
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He's not going to have time to stutter step forward like he showed in that video in a NFL pocket in order to put everything behind the throw.
I dont see that as a Stutter step to unleash a heave, I think he was timing up his weak ass receiver. Its not like he uncorked it by spinning himself into the ground. He has a timing with his receivers and he may have jad to let the route develop.
I view that throw as a guy who knows he has a pocket and a shot at a deep play. He timed things up nicely and made a great throw.
No, even at the Combine that same reliance in taking that extra steps forward on his long throws was noted by the analysts there as a problem once he would be playing in the NFL with its small pocket.
Watson has elite escapability and play extension ability.
Jones does not.
You sure about that... athletically they are very similar
Quite sure.
Watson made several highlight reel plays by dodging multiple defenders and buying himself time to throw a bomb down the field to an open Will Fuller or DeAndre Hopkins.
Jones isn't going to make plays like this in the NFL...
Ah I see it... You are right that isn't Daniel Jones.
agree with arc and Boylehart and TC, even before I saw their posts, reference (Boylehart): the Eli comp struck me hard: the back shoulder on the roll on the near sideline; the slight wait before #3 broke free from the corral of three defenders Jones hitting him in stride along the far sideline.
Arm strength a bit hard to tell on these clips, but let's withhold the benefit of the doubt and say Eli has--had--the stronger arm, it's not a big gap. But the way they look in the pocket is similar. Jones obviously with a lot more speed, coordination, and athleticism on the move (Ira: WTF were you seeing?? LOL). It's not like knock your socks off, but I can see the conservative Maras and the Eli v. 2 narrative, I can see it. Not sure I like it, but I see it.
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He's not going to have time to stutter step forward like he showed in that video in a NFL pocket in order to put everything behind the throw.
I dont see that as a Stutter step to unleash a heave, I think he was timing up his weak ass receiver. Its not like he uncorked it by spinning himself into the ground. He has a timing with his receivers and he may have jad to let the route develop.
I view that throw as a guy who knows he has a pocket and a shot at a deep play. He timed things up nicely and made a great throw.
He crow hopped two or three times into that throw.
He's not going to have time to stutter step forward like he showed in that video in a NFL pocket in order to put everything behind the throw.
I dont see that as a Stutter step to unleash a heave, I think he was timing up his weak ass receiver. Its not like he uncorked it by spinning himself into the ground. He has a timing with his receivers and he may have jad to let the route develop.
I view that throw as a guy who knows he has a pocket and a shot at a deep play. He timed things up nicely and made a great throw.
He crow hopped two or three times into that throw.
A) you obviously dont know what a crow hop is
B) thats called gathering....and like I said he was timing his release with his receovers route (which happens when the route has more moving parts like a sluggo or a double move).
If they take Jones with a first round pick instead of trading less for Rosen I will lose all confidence in their ability to evaluate the position. Evaluating Eli on small sample sizes, Philly game in 2017 and the last 4 games of 2018. Drafting Lauletta. Then drafting Lauletta again(Jones) but instead using high draft capital. Just NO!
Bruh he’s not Lauletta I. The least bit. The closest to Lauletta in this draft is Will trashcan Grier
RE: Isn't one noodle-armed QB on the roster enough? Â
he could behind it. It's fine if you like him, but you don't need to make up false narratives. There are things to like about the guy, but to post a video of him mustering up all his power to get the ball down the field 55 yards isn't a plus.
No wasn't timing anything there isn't any double move that breaks Â
30 yards down the field. He simply was trying to get everything behind it. Which is fine, but let's not act like his arm strength is anything to write home about. I actually don't think its that big of a deal in today's NFL. I'm more concerned about him floating passes to the sideline.
RE: No wasn't timing anything there isn't any double move that breaks Â
30 yards down the field. He simply was trying to get everything behind it. Which is fine, but let's not act like his arm strength is anything to write home about. I actually don't think its that big of a deal in today's NFL. I'm more concerned about him floating passes to the sideline.
If you are trying to say Daniel Jones doesn't have proper foot work you are crazy. He is probably the most technically sound of all the QBs. His foot work is great.
As for that pass I find it shocking you are complaining about a perfectly dropped pass with beautiful loft land right in the basket at full stride.
His footwork is picture perfect there. Although, after Patrick Mahomes I'm not sure how important proper footwork is in today's NFL. I'm a believer it is more important to be able to throw from different platforms now. My views on what constitutes in NFL QB has changed drastically in the last ten years due to the change in the game. Would have thought Kyler Murray would have been the biggest bust fifteen years ago. He can definitely play in the NFL today, although I do worry about what he has between the ears.
RE: No wasn't timing anything there isn't any double move that breaks Â
30 yards down the field. He simply was trying to get everything behind it. Which is fine, but let's not act like his arm strength is anything to write home about. I actually don't think its that big of a deal in today's NFL. I'm more concerned about him floating passes to the sideline.
Jones doesn’t need to crow hop to get power behind the ball. There was a play (I think against Clemson or Miami) where he was forced left out of the pocket, reset and fire downfield while getting smacked in the face and he got the ball down the field while falling backwards. He has the arm. He just prefers to use touch.
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Just stop. This dude could have teams falling over themselves to grab him and nobody will be convinced their half assed analysis is wrong.
At least bw backs up his opinion with hard reasoning.
Fact is, Every QB has his warts. Darnold turns the ball over with his rat claws, Rosen has concussion and attitude concerns, Baker has a bit of a character issue in his history, Tom Brady looked like a wimp at the combine, Lamar Jackson relies on his legs too much and might not be as bright as yhe average bulb (per the Wonderlic)...
Daniel Jones cant go on a scramble drill and then chuck it 70 yards in the air to the open guy.
RE: Maybe your right, but I did play QB and hopped twice to get everything Â
he could behind it. It's fine if you like him, but you don't need to make up false narratives. There are things to like about the guy, but to post a video of him mustering up all his power to get the ball down the field 55 yards isn't a plus.
I played qb too. Its not like he took a punt pass and kick few steps and then step into it.
Im not building false narratives. I like him better than anybody but Murray, but this idea that launched a rainbow shot to a receiver in stride os fucking stupid.
His footwork is picture perfect there. Although, after Patrick Mahomes I'm not sure how important proper footwork is in today's NFL. I'm a believer it is more important to be able to throw from different platforms now. My views on what constitutes in NFL QB has changed drastically in the last ten years due to the change in the game. Would have thought Kyler Murray would have been the biggest bust fifteen years ago. He can definitely play in the NFL today, although I do worry about what he has between the ears.
You show your ass again....Daniel Jones apparently is excellent at breaking down defenses.
Just stop dude. At least you ceased posting like a High Schooler on social media.
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Tom Brady. So is Drew Brees. These guys can't throw it deep anymore the way they used to. And they don't really have to. Arm strength is the single most overrated aspect of a QB's ability. Rarely is it a significant plus, and rarely is it a significant minus.
Drew Brees doesn't put up incredible numbers every year because he can throw it deep. He does it because his footwork, balance, timing, and accuracy are all elite.
Excellent point. Give me a guy who can throw the ball 15-35 yards accurately, get first downs with his feet when necessary, take a hit and get up looking at the sideline for the next play and is not afraid of competing against the best and that is the surest thing at quarterback you can ask for.
Ill take the sure to be good to very good QB over the guy who might be Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford or could potentiall be Brett Favre.
article on Jones yesterday. For all the talk about experts thinking Jones stinks, this group certainly doesn't. Todd Haley thought he had the best tape of any QB in the class. Link - ( New Window )
RE: Haven't seen this posted yet but SI published their Â
article on Jones yesterday. For all the talk about experts thinking Jones stinks, this group certainly doesn't. Todd Haley thought he had the best tape of any QB in the class. Link - ( New Window )
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Yup noodle armed.
That's 55 yards with clean pocket stepping up big time. Why you gotta lie or you just bad at math
Sorry I miscounted because it was gif and I was trying to post quickly. Why do I have to be lying and you have to type in a sentence structure that makes you sound like a teenager on Facebook?
And I prefer Lock to Jones, despite Jones' impeccable mechanics, as with Lock I see more passion and a hair trigger release. When I watch Jones, I'm reminded of Eli. When I watch Lock, I see the young Bradshaw.
Exactly. That doesnt really happen any more. Unless you have a guy who can win a 50/50 ball while covered like Randy Moss, most teams dont have that in their arsenal.
They Can't Take That Away From Me.
And I prefer Lock to Jones, despite Jones' impeccable mechanics, as with Lock I see more passion and a hair trigger release. When I watch Jones, I'm reminded of Eli. When I watch Lock, I see the young Bradshaw.
I don't get the Eli comments other than they look a little alike but Eli has a much bigger arm and Jones is much faster and agile. He had a 7.00 3 cone for goodness sake. Maybe because they both have nice movement in the pocket.
Drew Brees doesn't put up incredible numbers every year because he can throw it deep. He does it because his footwork, balance, timing, and accuracy are all elite.
Excellent point. Give me a guy who can throw the ball 15-35 yards accurately, get first downs with his feet when necessary, take a hit and get up looking at the sideline for the next play and is not afraid of competing against the best and that is the surest thing at quarterback you can ask for.
Ill take the sure to be good to very good QB over the guy who might be Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford or could potentiall be Brett Favre.
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and it's fun. But there is an awful lot of Eli in Daniel Jones, and possibly a more athletic Eli. And while I love Eli, I can't be blind to the totality of his NFL career.
And I prefer Lock to Jones, despite Jones' impeccable mechanics, as with Lock I see more passion and a hair trigger release. When I watch Jones, I'm reminded of Eli. When I watch Lock, I see the young Bradshaw.
I don't get the Eli comments other than they look a little alike but Eli has a much bigger arm and Jones is much faster and agile. He had a 7.00 3 cone for goodness sake. Maybe because they both have nice movement in the pocket.
I agree he's faster and more agile, that's why I described him as more athletic, though I don't know that his arm is much worse than Eli's, certainly not the 2018 version of Eli.
But it's his mechanics and how he looks in the that reminds me most of Eli.
Drew Brees doesn't put up incredible numbers every year because he can throw it deep. He does it because his footwork, balance, timing, and accuracy are all elite.
Yeh but most guys get to that point in the league because they have been there for 15 years. They can get away with not having good arm strength because of the way they see the game and unbelievable accuracy. In the beginning accuracy isn't enough because it takes a long time to get the type of mental processing they posess.
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Tom Brady. So is Drew Brees. These guys can't throw it deep anymore the way they used to. And they don't really have to. Arm strength is the single most overrated aspect of a QB's ability. Rarely is it a significant plus, and rarely is it a significant minus.
Drew Brees doesn't put up incredible numbers every year because he can throw it deep. He does it because his footwork, balance, timing, and accuracy are all elite.
Yeh but most guys get to that point in the league because they have been there for 15 years. They can get away with not having good arm strength because of the way they see the game and unbelievable accuracy. In the beginning accuracy isn't enough because it takes a long time to get the type of mental processing they posess.
Accuracy is always important. His arm isn't a noodle in fact when people talk about who he looks like I would say DeShaun Watson who many said he didn't have the arm strength at QB.
Jones does not.
Jones does not.
You sure about that... athletically they are very similar
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Hmmmm....
and from Duke! Hmmm
Straight from the department of redundancy department.
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Watson has elite escapability and play extension ability.
Jones does not.
You sure about that... athletically they are very similar
Quite sure.
Watson made several highlight reel plays by dodging multiple defenders and buying himself time to throw a bomb down the field to an open Will Fuller or DeAndre Hopkins.
Jones isn't going to make plays like this in the NFL...
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Yup noodle armed.
He's not going to have time to stutter step forward like he showed in that video in a NFL pocket in order to put everything behind the throw.
I absolutely believe Shurmur has a lot of input. In fact, I think he has more than anyone. If they draft a QB in the 1st round, it'll be Shurmurs guy. I don't know that for sure obviously, but its just my opinion...which is why I'm not worried about it. If they pick Jones, I think Shurmur knows he can make him successful.
I sure hope not. Shurmur hasn't been successful enough to deserve a draft strategy tailored around satisfying his preferences.
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Watson has elite escapability and play extension ability.
Jones does not.
You sure about that... athletically they are very similar
Quite sure.
Watson made several highlight reel plays by dodging multiple defenders and buying himself time to throw a bomb down the field to an open Will Fuller or DeAndre Hopkins.
Jones isn't going to make plays like this in the NFL...
Conversely, I think Jones is a lot quicker thinker with the ball and a much more durable QB than Watson.
Fwiw, I dont think the athletic comparison to Watson is correct. Someone compared him athletically to Tannenhill. THAT I agree with.
Btw arc, I was more than a touch drunk last night when I broke your balls on the Yanks thread. I didnt mean to call you out, just saw other bust you about becoming a Yanks fan and prob used bad judgement. No hard feelings?
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Yup noodle armed.
He's not going to have time to stutter step forward like he showed in that video in a NFL pocket in order to put everything behind the throw.
I dont see that as a Stutter step to unleash a heave, I think he was timing up his weak ass receiver. Its not like he uncorked it by spinning himself into the ground. He has a timing with his receivers and he may have jad to let the route develop.
I view that throw as a guy who knows he has a pocket and a shot at a deep play. He timed things up nicely and made a great throw.
That aspect of Watson's game is what makes him so dangerous. Teams go into games against Houston game planning to contain him and keep him from getting outside the pocket and doing the types of stuff he's doing above.
Jones doesn't have that. He's not painfully unathletic or anything, you can run some read option stuff with him and itll probably work fine... and if he's back there on a dropback with safeties deep and guys dropping into coverage and sees a running lane, I'm sure he can pick up some yards.
I just don't like the idea of spending a 1st round pick on a QB who we're talking about like a game manager already.
We should be taking a guy who can actually win us some football games by virtue of his ability. Not a guy who is just going to be a passenger and need everything around him to be right... which is what we're dealing with now.
True, Eli's contract vs. a rookie QB contract will certainly impact our ability to surround the QB with more talent... but so many opinions of Jones just seem to be more of the "he can get it done" variety than "he can be one of the better QB's in the game" or be something special.
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I absolutely believe Shurmur has a lot of input. In fact, I think he has more than anyone. If they draft a QB in the 1st round, it'll be Shurmurs guy. I don't know that for sure obviously, but its just my opinion...which is why I'm not worried about it. If they pick Jones, I think Shurmur knows he can make him successful.
I sure hope not. Shurmur hasn't been successful enough to deserve a draft strategy tailored around satisfying his preferences.
He's been successful enough at teaching quarterbacks how to quarterback and thats my point.
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Yup noodle armed.
He's not going to have time to stutter step forward like he showed in that video in a NFL pocket in order to put everything behind the throw.
I dont see that as a Stutter step to unleash a heave, I think he was timing up his weak ass receiver. Its not like he uncorked it by spinning himself into the ground. He has a timing with his receivers and he may have jad to let the route develop.
I view that throw as a guy who knows he has a pocket and a shot at a deep play. He timed things up nicely and made a great throw.
No, even at the Combine that same reliance in taking that extra steps forward on his long throws was noted by the analysts there as a problem once he would be playing in the NFL with its small pocket.
Grier in 1st?
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Grier in 1st?
Ugh, please no.
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You sure about that... athletically they are very similar
Quite sure.
Watson made several highlight reel plays by dodging multiple defenders and buying himself time to throw a bomb down the field to an open Will Fuller or DeAndre Hopkins.
Jones isn't going to make plays like this in the NFL...
Ah I see it... You are right that isn't Daniel Jones.
Arm strength a bit hard to tell on these clips, but let's withhold the benefit of the doubt and say Eli has--had--the stronger arm, it's not a big gap. But the way they look in the pocket is similar. Jones obviously with a lot more speed, coordination, and athleticism on the move (Ira: WTF were you seeing?? LOL). It's not like knock your socks off, but I can see the conservative Maras and the Eli v. 2 narrative, I can see it. Not sure I like it, but I see it.
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Yup noodle armed.
He's not going to have time to stutter step forward like he showed in that video in a NFL pocket in order to put everything behind the throw.
I dont see that as a Stutter step to unleash a heave, I think he was timing up his weak ass receiver. Its not like he uncorked it by spinning himself into the ground. He has a timing with his receivers and he may have jad to let the route develop.
I view that throw as a guy who knows he has a pocket and a shot at a deep play. He timed things up nicely and made a great throw.
He crow hopped two or three times into that throw.
He is not like Will CryBaby Grier at all, don’t you dare group that bum with the great Daniel Jones
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65 yards in the air:
Yup noodle armed.
He's not going to have time to stutter step forward like he showed in that video in a NFL pocket in order to put everything behind the throw.
I dont see that as a Stutter step to unleash a heave, I think he was timing up his weak ass receiver. Its not like he uncorked it by spinning himself into the ground. He has a timing with his receivers and he may have jad to let the route develop.
I view that throw as a guy who knows he has a pocket and a shot at a deep play. He timed things up nicely and made a great throw.
He crow hopped two or three times into that throw.
A) you obviously dont know what a crow hop is
B) thats called gathering....and like I said he was timing his release with his receovers route (which happens when the route has more moving parts like a sluggo or a double move).
Bruh he’s not Lauletta I. The least bit. The closest to Lauletta in this draft is Will trashcan Grier
He really does NOT have a noodle arm, stop it
If you are trying to say Daniel Jones doesn't have proper foot work you are crazy. He is probably the most technically sound of all the QBs. His foot work is great.
As for that pass I find it shocking you are complaining about a perfectly dropped pass with beautiful loft land right in the basket at full stride.
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He really does NOT have a noodle arm, stop it
Just stop. This dude could have teams falling over themselves to grab him and nobody will be convinced their half assed analysis is wrong.
At least bw backs up his opinion with hard reasoning.
Fact is, Every QB has his warts. Darnold turns the ball over with his rat claws, Rosen has concussion and attitude concerns, Baker has a bit of a character issue in his history, Tom Brady looked like a wimp at the combine, Lamar Jackson relies on his legs too much and might not be as bright as yhe average bulb (per the Wonderlic)...
Daniel Jones cant go on a scramble drill and then chuck it 70 yards in the air to the open guy.
I played qb too. Its not like he took a punt pass and kick few steps and then step into it.
Im not building false narratives. I like him better than anybody but Murray, but this idea that launched a rainbow shot to a receiver in stride os fucking stupid.
You show your ass again....Daniel Jones apparently is excellent at breaking down defenses.
Just stop dude. At least you ceased posting like a High Schooler on social media.
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Tom Brady. So is Drew Brees. These guys can't throw it deep anymore the way they used to. And they don't really have to. Arm strength is the single most overrated aspect of a QB's ability. Rarely is it a significant plus, and rarely is it a significant minus.
Drew Brees doesn't put up incredible numbers every year because he can throw it deep. He does it because his footwork, balance, timing, and accuracy are all elite.
Excellent point. Give me a guy who can throw the ball 15-35 yards accurately, get first downs with his feet when necessary, take a hit and get up looking at the sideline for the next play and is not afraid of competing against the best and that is the surest thing at quarterback you can ask for.
Ill take the sure to be good to very good QB over the guy who might be Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford or could potentiall be Brett Favre.
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I like the Ryan Fitzpatrick comp better.