in an article on The Athletic today. As I read I was thinking how can he call this late pick a bust? Link - ( New Window )
I agree, but there are exceptions. If you use a draft pick on a special teams specialist (punter, kicker, long snapper), and he doesn't stick, he's a bust even in the 7th round. Case in point: Matt Dodge.
It is the expected "fluff" piece about a GM who has in fact made some curious moves and picks:
1. Taking Barkley over a QB at #2 in the 2018 draft
2. Trying to "build" the team in 2018 instead of cutting it down and rebuilding day 1
3. Signing RB J. Steward, OT N. Solder, OG Omameh and keeping E. Flowers for another year despite his flaws, attitude.
4. Signing and trading OBJ for a little less than fair market value. Had he received a #3 next year (conditional even) you could at least understand from a value point.
5. Why didn't he trade LC for a #3 (best #3 based on first 5 games record) as there presumably were takers?
I understand why DG some of these moves. I really, honestly do understand. He is trying to build character. He is trying to figure out the team and build them up.
If DG has a STRONG draft and J. Peppers is a stud SS, we did well and such. If Eli has protection and produces well enough, the issue becomes do we have a QB to replace our aging warrior? Lauletta isn't a guaranteed flop....YET!
Lauletta is a young guy, maybe immature, who either learns this year and develops OR he is gone. DG won't play with him just cause he picked him.
Produce or be cut (like Omameh, Flowers) or traded for value (OBJ, Snacks, Apple) while we can.
is a must but will hammer Gettleman for drafting Jones or Lock at 6. He'll hammer him for trading up from 17 to get one of them. He'll hammer him if they are both gone by 37. And he'll hammer him for trading for Rosen. Leonard is the worst Giants beat reporter in my memory.
- one game
- and an obvious grievous error in judgement.
Imagine what the Steelers would have been like if they hadn't gotten rid of Big Ben for the same things.
(Do I have to say /sarc?)
Who knows if Kyle will survive pre-season, but it looks like DG just gave him a "try out" ticket.
Do you watch any football or are you just lonely and need a Board to belong to and people to agree with you? Lauletta got 1 shot (and I acknowledge it was only one) and looked like he never played organized football and he got arrested off the field. Rosen had a better first season than Eli with a worse team.
If you're the type that believes teams should be routinely hitting on 4th rounders, then it's a bust of a pick - a guy likely never to be anything more than a camp arm (and possibly never a viable backup QB candidate), sold as a possible contender as the next Giants starting QB.
If you understand that the hit rate of a 4th round pick is ridiculously low, and that a 4th round QB's expectations would be even lower, then it's not a bust - especially not so early on in his career.
RE: Only on BBI is Rosen a bust and Lauletta isn't Â
Do you watch any football or are you just lonely and need a Board to belong to and people to agree with you? Lauletta got 1 shot (and I acknowledge it was only one) and looked like he never played organized football and he got arrested off the field. Rosen had a better first season than Eli with a worse team.
If a team parts with their 1st round pick before year 2 and you don't think that's being a bust, I don't know what to tell you.
It's basically the very definition of a bust. Especially when people call David Wilson and Jarrod Bunch busts for suffering career-ending injuries.
I think Arizona just might not be a smart franchise and want the newer, more shiny toy.
I don't think Rosen is a bust at all, and I don't think them favoring Murray says much of anything regarding Rosen.
In fact, I think Rosen will be quite good if he gets a chance somewhere else - and he will.
He played for a 1st year coach who already got fired. He had a terrible offensive line. His best WR is a slot guy who is about 40 years old now. Christian Kirk may be a nice player.. but no one is confusing him with an elite outside threat.
I don't see how anyone could reasonably call Rosen a bust based on last year and the fact that Arizona is going to move him because their new coach is more fixated on Kyler Murray
for Arizona, and a bust for the player until he shows otherwise.
Arizona could very well just be making a horrendous decision if they select Murray and move Rosen, but then Rosen has to go elsewhere and play to prove he isn't a bust.
I think Arizona just might not be a smart franchise and want the newer, more shiny toy.
I don't think Rosen is a bust at all, and I don't think them favoring Murray says much of anything regarding Rosen.
In fact, I think Rosen will be quite good if he gets a chance somewhere else - and he will.
He played for a 1st year coach who already got fired. He had a terrible offensive line. His best WR is a slot guy who is about 40 years old now. Christian Kirk may be a nice player.. but no one is confusing him with an elite outside threat.
I don't see how anyone could reasonably call Rosen a bust based on last year and the fact that Arizona is going to move him because their new coach is more fixated on Kyler Murray
If I was convinced that Rosen’s demeanor could fit in NY, I’d be delighted for him to get a chance to show what a bunch of people were impressed with coming out of college. Don’t know how he’d handle the media capital of the work, I’m just leery at this point
There is no such thing as a fourth round bust. Maybe if a pick was used and the player has no interest in being a pro football player. People sit at their computers, do mocks drafts, read varying scouting reports and consider themselves "draft experts". It's a joke. I listen to sports talk and hear people with no credentials (and no credibility when it comes to NFL player evaluation) basically call Dave Gettleman and Pat Shurmur clueless. "They have no plan", "I don't know why the Giants don't show "Player X" more love", "I just don't understand why they took the best player in last year's draft when they need a QB", etc. It's maddening. Who is better qualified to choose a QB to run Pat Shurmur's offense than Pat Shurmur? Chris Carlin? Rick DiPietro? Stop it. Pat Shurmur wants to win. Dave Gettelman wants to win. They aren't going to call a press conference and let the world know which players they covet. It's a fucking poker game. The Giants drafted very well last season and only had 5 picks. It's year 2 of rebuilding a dumpster fire of a roster. Let's see what Gettelman and company do with 12 picks.
A bust to me is a guy who is taken with the projection of being a productive, NFL starter, and fails to ever reach that designation during his rookie deal.
Like, to me, Blake Bortles is a bust. He was taken 3rd overall, has been in the league 5 years now, has basically regressed since coming into the league, has 1 winning season and the Jags have moved on.
Josh Rosen has played just 13 NFL games. If Rosen is already a bust, then Eli should have been labeled one after 2004.
Obviously, we know now that Eli was not a bust.
Rosen has to establish himself somewhere else now, but the Cardinals giving up on him doesn't say much of anything to me other than the fact that they're a dysfunctional org. that can't make up their minds and keep changing course.
I'd need to see Rosen actually get an entire season somewhere without a 1 year coach who already lost his job and about as little talent around him as possible before I'd be comfortable calling him a bust.
"Incomplete" applies to Rosen about as well as it could ever apply to a QB at this point. There's just no way of knowing yet.
F-ing Tool
Stupid to live idiotic
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Don’t need to feed this clown clicks
1. Taking Barkley over a QB at #2 in the 2018 draft
2. Trying to "build" the team in 2018 instead of cutting it down and rebuilding day 1
3. Signing RB J. Steward, OT N. Solder, OG Omameh and keeping E. Flowers for another year despite his flaws, attitude.
4. Signing and trading OBJ for a little less than fair market value. Had he received a #3 next year (conditional even) you could at least understand from a value point.
5. Why didn't he trade LC for a #3 (best #3 based on first 5 games record) as there presumably were takers?
I understand why DG some of these moves. I really, honestly do understand. He is trying to build character. He is trying to figure out the team and build them up.
If DG has a STRONG draft and J. Peppers is a stud SS, we did well and such. If Eli has protection and produces well enough, the issue becomes do we have a QB to replace our aging warrior? Lauletta isn't a guaranteed flop....YET!
Lauletta is a young guy, maybe immature, who either learns this year and develops OR he is gone. DG won't play with him just cause he picked him.
Produce or be cut (like Omameh, Flowers) or traded for value (OBJ, Snacks, Apple) while we can.
And Leonard is total garbage. He knows nothing about football and sometimes doesn't even have his facts straight.
Serby.Meyers-level bust.
- and an obvious grievous error in judgement.
Imagine what the Steelers would have been like if they hadn't gotten rid of Big Ben for the same things.
(Do I have to say /sarc?)
Who knows if Kyle will survive pre-season, but it looks like DG just gave him a "try out" ticket.
If you understand that the hit rate of a 4th round pick is ridiculously low, and that a 4th round QB's expectations would be even lower, then it's not a bust - especially not so early on in his career.
If a team parts with their 1st round pick before year 2 and you don't think that's being a bust, I don't know what to tell you.
It's basically the very definition of a bust. Especially when people call David Wilson and Jarrod Bunch busts for suffering career-ending injuries.
I don't think Rosen is a bust at all, and I don't think them favoring Murray says much of anything regarding Rosen.
In fact, I think Rosen will be quite good if he gets a chance somewhere else - and he will.
He played for a 1st year coach who already got fired. He had a terrible offensive line. His best WR is a slot guy who is about 40 years old now. Christian Kirk may be a nice player.. but no one is confusing him with an elite outside threat.
I don't see how anyone could reasonably call Rosen a bust based on last year and the fact that Arizona is going to move him because their new coach is more fixated on Kyler Murray
He is a troll, nothing more nothing less.
Arizona could very well just be making a horrendous decision if they select Murray and move Rosen, but then Rosen has to go elsewhere and play to prove he isn't a bust.
I don't think Rosen is a bust at all, and I don't think them favoring Murray says much of anything regarding Rosen.
In fact, I think Rosen will be quite good if he gets a chance somewhere else - and he will.
He played for a 1st year coach who already got fired. He had a terrible offensive line. His best WR is a slot guy who is about 40 years old now. Christian Kirk may be a nice player.. but no one is confusing him with an elite outside threat.
I don't see how anyone could reasonably call Rosen a bust based on last year and the fact that Arizona is going to move him because their new coach is more fixated on Kyler Murray
If I was convinced that Rosen’s demeanor could fit in NY, I’d be delighted for him to get a chance to show what a bunch of people were impressed with coming out of college. Don’t know how he’d handle the media capital of the work, I’m just leery at this point
Go eat a cheesesteak Pat...
A bust to me is a guy who is taken with the projection of being a productive, NFL starter, and fails to ever reach that designation during his rookie deal.
Like, to me, Blake Bortles is a bust. He was taken 3rd overall, has been in the league 5 years now, has basically regressed since coming into the league, has 1 winning season and the Jags have moved on.
Josh Rosen has played just 13 NFL games. If Rosen is already a bust, then Eli should have been labeled one after 2004.
Obviously, we know now that Eli was not a bust.
Rosen has to establish himself somewhere else now, but the Cardinals giving up on him doesn't say much of anything to me other than the fact that they're a dysfunctional org. that can't make up their minds and keep changing course.
I'd need to see Rosen actually get an entire season somewhere without a 1 year coach who already lost his job and about as little talent around him as possible before I'd be comfortable calling him a bust.
"Incomplete" applies to Rosen about as well as it could ever apply to a QB at this point. There's just no way of knowing yet.
Win-win for the guy and the folks that employ him. Just say no.