“That tells you your answer right now,’’ Gettleman, the Giants general manager, said Thursday night. “If you have to try to make yourself fall in love with a player, it’s wrong. You will never be happy with the pick. You shouldn’t have to talk yourself into a guy.’’
sorry. I'm selling.
Daniel Jones? A guy who is not accurate down the field? A guy who has mediocre lateral agility?
NYG passed on Darnold and Rosen. The way Gettlemen answered the question over why Saquon over a QB by admitting that once baker was taken they didnt have a decision to make intimates that NYG did have baker as their #1 qb.
I read Gettleman's quote and theres no way I can believe they have fallen in love with Daniel Jones. Why....? Because of the backchannel ties that DJ has to Eli? Because Eli throws at Duke?
On tape DJs tape is markedly behind both Rosen & Darnold's.
I like dave te's analysis: his ceiling is a Tannehill/Flacco level qb. His film just doesnt have enough plays where I scream that I'm looking at a rare NFL talent.
He has an NFL arm, and he is accurate. If he threw downfield less than others its likely because their OL sucked and he didn't have the time, which was probably reflected in their play calling.
I'd love to see Jones standing in the backfield drinking a Pina Colada like Haskins, throwing to NFL WR's running 4.3 40's
He has an NFL arm, and he is accurate. If he threw downfield less than others its likely because their OL sucked and he didn't have the time, which was probably reflected in their play calling.
I'd love to see Jones standing in the backfield drinking a Pina Colada like Haskins, throwing to NFL WR's running 4.3 40's
Accurate based on what?
He was a sub-60% passer in is college career. Look at the chart Rick posted earlier in the thread that breaks his accuracy into levels.
He's not accurate. If he is, he hasn't displayed enough of it.
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Or did you YouTube a highlight video?
Because I “watched the tape” and saw a guy with nice size, a good arm, surprising mobility, and a guy who hung in there and delivered a lot of impressive throws under constant duress.
I’ve linked a video below. It’s not a traditional highlight video, as it features
quite a few incompletions.
He’s basically everything I liked about Eli in his prime, with more athleticism. Daniel Jones - ( New Window )
It is definitely a highlight video bc the incompletions were good throws.
I think his defining characteristic is his ability and willingness to deliver the ball with people at his feet and in his face.
In that regard he definitely reminds me of 2011-12 Eli.
It’s not the “tape” I was referring to, but it is my favorite video of him to quickly summarize everything I like about him. I’ve watched his games, the good the bad and the ugly. It brought back memories of Eli playing behind Flowers/Hart with 3rd string WRs and basically having no chance to succeed.
Jones played behind an awful OL, with awful WRs, and he hung in there (or scrambled away) to make some very impressive throws.
I believe there’s a play against Pitt (?) where he has 3 defenders rushing him and he delivers a perfect TD pass that literally goes through his WR/TEs hands. You’ll find these types of pathetic misses throughout his games ... I forget the opponent but there was a game where he had like 7 dropped passes before half time.
If you watched that Pitt game, you noticed that a lot of his short throws were behind WRs. Jones didn’t allow them to run after the catch. There’s accuracy, and then there is ball placement. He struggles with ball placement.
The Clemson game was not his fault. They were outmanned. The Wake Forest game was. Wake Forest was a pitiful football team, and Duke got powerbombed. That should not have happened. I get that there may have been a letdown from the Clemson game, but WF beat them by 35 or 42. It was ugly.
I formed by opinions on Jones by watching his games. The Senior Bowl is hardly a large sample size, but supposedly he struggled at the practices - which I didn’t watch - and then he struggled at the game.
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NYG passed on Darnold and Rosen.
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If you're not impressed enough with Rosen/Darnold last year but fall in love with Daniel Jones this year, then something is seriously wrong with your scouting department.
The Giants organization never said they didn't like anyone from the previous QB draft class. Why do people keep assuming that because they liked Barkley better they didn't like one of the QBs. Barkley is a once in a generation talent. None of those QBs look like a once in a generation talent. None of them from this year's class look like that either. I'd have to go all the way back to Luck to find a QB that was no kidding thought of as a sure thing and what has he done so far?
Barkley was so ahead of everyone else in that draft class it's crazy. Barkley wasn't just the best RB in the draft, he was the best player in the draft. Hell he was probably rated higher than any player in the past 5 or even 10 drafts.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying he's the best player in 5-10 years although that's possible. I'm just saying his draft stock/score was higher that anyone I've seen in a long time.
If you want to play the "reading the tea leaves game" you have to take Barkley out of the equation. You need to ask yourself who the Giants would have drafted if Barkley didn't exist.
Agree with this. Good analysis
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NYG passed on Darnold and Rosen.
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If you're not impressed enough with Rosen/Darnold last year but fall in love with Daniel Jones this year, then something is seriously wrong with your scouting department.
The Giants organization never said they didn't like anyone from the previous QB draft class. Why do people keep assuming that because they liked Barkley better they didn't like one of the QBs. Barkley is a once in a generation talent. None of those QBs look like a once in a generation talent. None of them from this year's class look like that either. I'd have to go all the way back to Luck to find a QB that was no kidding thought of as a sure thing and what has he done so far?
Barkley was so ahead of everyone else in that draft class it's crazy. Barkley wasn't just the best RB in the draft, he was the best player in the draft. Hell he was probably rated higher than any player in the past 5 or even 10 drafts.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying he's the best player in 5-10 years although that's possible. I'm just saying his draft stock/score was higher that anyone I've seen in a long time.
If you want to play the "reading the tea leaves game" you have to take Barkley out of the equation. You need to ask yourself who the Giants would have drafted if Barkley didn't exist.
According to our asshats we didn't have a QB in our top 5. Our top 3 were Saquon, Chubb & Nelson.
While this may be true, two things:
1. We're picking 6th this year, so top 5 ranking has different context.
2. Just b/c they had higher ranking does not mean that QB positional value would not have pushed anyone ahead.
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Or did you YouTube a highlight video?
Because I “watched the tape” and saw a guy with nice size, a good arm, surprising mobility, and a guy who hung in there and delivered a lot of impressive throws under constant duress.
I’ve linked a video below. It’s not a traditional highlight video, as it features
quite a few incompletions.
He’s basically everything I liked about Eli in his prime, with more athleticism. Daniel Jones - ( New Window )
It is definitely a highlight video bc the incompletions were good throws.
I think his defining characteristic is his ability and willingness to deliver the ball with people at his feet and in his face.
In that regard he definitely reminds me of 2011-12 Eli.
It’s not the “tape” I was referring to, but it is my favorite video of him to quickly summarize everything I like about him. I’ve watched his games, the good the bad and the ugly. It brought back memories of Eli playing behind Flowers/Hart with 3rd string WRs and basically having no chance to succeed.
Jones played behind an awful OL, with awful WRs, and he hung in there (or scrambled away) to make some very impressive throws.
I believe there’s a play against Pitt (?) where he has 3 defenders rushing him and he delivers a perfect TD pass that literally goes through his WR/TEs hands. You’ll find these types of pathetic misses throughout his games ... I forget the opponent but there was a game where he had like 7 dropped passes before half time.
If you watched that Pitt game, you noticed that a lot of his short throws were behind WRs. Jones didn’t allow them to run after the catch. There’s accuracy, and then there is ball placement. He struggles with ball placement.
The Clemson game was not his fault. They were outmanned. The Wake Forest game was. Wake Forest was a pitiful football team, and Duke got powerbombed. That should not have happened. I get that there may have been a letdown from the Clemson game, but WF beat them by 35 or 42. It was ugly.
I formed by opinions on Jones by watching his games. The Senior Bowl is hardly a large sample size, but supposedly he struggled at the practices - which I didn’t watch - and then he struggled at the game.
I don’t want a QB in the first round ... and he’s my 3rd QB in this class.
I’m hoping all this smoke leads to other stupid teams reaching on 4 QBs before we are on the clock at 17 ... gimme pass rusher at 6 and either D.Bush and Dexter Lawrence at 17.
Fix this defense in the draft, build a run-first offense, win games. Address QB next year with 2020/2021 draft picks to move up if needed and use the cap room to fill immediate needs in free agency. Build the team around the QB, rather than reach and pray he’s your savior.
Best player available, defense, with both 1s.
They didn’t pass on all the QBs because they didn’t like them. They chose to take the best player in the 2018 draft, and the best offensive prospect to become available in years, over a QB simply because of “need”.
It’s easy to forget now, but this teams run game pre-Barkley had been a disgrace. It was a need as well. The 2018 draft matched need with elite talent. Barkley and Hernandez was my dream draft. Then they topped it off with Lorenzo Carter and I couldn’t have been happier.
Barkley was the right pick, I don’t even know how people can still think otherwise. He is incredible, and we are lucky he’s a Giant
That last statement is pretty narrow minded and or short sided. If Darnold turns in an Eli in next two years, do you still feel the same way.
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Saquon Barkley, I don’t care that he has “RB” next to his name, is the best offensive prospect to become available in a very long time. We have a player with the potential to be Sanders/Faulk/Tomlinson level dominant at 230 pounds. He was a gift, and the right selection.
They didn’t pass on all the QBs because they didn’t like them. They chose to take the best player in the 2018 draft, and the best offensive prospect to become available in years, over a QB simply because of “need”.
It’s easy to forget now, but this teams run game pre-Barkley had been a disgrace. It was a need as well. The 2018 draft matched need with elite talent. Barkley and Hernandez was my dream draft. Then they topped it off with Lorenzo Carter and I couldn’t have been happier.
Barkley was the right pick, I don’t even know how people can still think otherwise. He is incredible, and we are lucky he’s a Giant
That last statement is pretty narrow minded and or short sided. If Darnold turns in an Eli in next two years, do you still feel the same way.
You know what’s short sighted and narrow minded? Harping on the 2018 QB class as if it’s the only chance the Giants will ever have to get a new QB. It’s over, and the Giants chose the best player in the class who delivered on his lofty expectations.
Will I be upset if Darnold turns out to be a good QB? Not at all, because I fully expect Barkley to be considered the best offensive player in the sport by then - and he’s already shown why.
You can drool over Mahomes’ no look passes or Andrew Luck or whoever you want, it’s still a team game and you need pieces around them to actually be successful.
Mahomes and Luck both ended their strong fantasy seasons with nothing to show for in reality. All things being equal, yes I would love for either of them on the Giants.
However, the “franchise QB” is not some demigod singlehandedly capable of winning a SB while carrying the team on his back. He’s a (big) piece of the puzzle. Is there an Andrew Luck prospect in this class? Nope. Lock has a little Mahomes-lite to his game, hence why I’d be ok with him at 6.
The almighty franchise QB is so important that just 2 years ago we saw Blake f’n Bortles almost face Nick Foles in the SB. Foles “out dueling” Case Keenum in the NFC Championship. Those teams approached the promised land despite their QB, not because of them. How? With good defense and a strong run gam - something the Giants could have as soon as this season depending on how they approach the draft.
You don’t reach on a QB just to take 1. That’s the stupidity that gets Bortles taken over Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald. We have to watch Philly win with Foles, or Dallas win with a QB like Dak, and people still obsess over the almighty “franchise QB”.
Fix this pathetic defense, pound the ball behind an improved OL with the best Arab in the game, and win those close games they gave away last year. Get a solid OL in place, with an effective run/play action game, and a strong defense - start winning games while putting the pieces in place for if/when Eli is gone.
I get the appeal of an “elite QB”, obviously it’s a huge advantage and if there were guys with that potential (like next year), I’d be all about taking him this year at 6 or even trading up. Instead we get this “franchise QB” label thrown around as a must have, when quite frankly most of them with that label are nothing special. I don’t consider guys like Matt Ryan or Stafford “franchise QBs”, nor do I think an elite WB is necessary to be competitive. It isn’t. So, rather than force a pick on a lesser prospect, why not draft the elite talent (Barkley last year, defense this year) and build a good roster for Eli (or whoever) to step into.
That's all that happened.
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Gettleman said he was the highest rated player he ever scouted since Peyton Manning.
That's all that happened.
I was wrong, the Giants were right. He was best player at his position as a ROOKIE. Gold jacket if he stays healthy.
While Barkley is in a class by himself, it did prove they won’t reach on a QB because of media/fan pressure ... which has me optimistic they’ll continue going BPA (defense) this year