Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
This is interesting. Bob McGinn asked 13 scouts to rank the top QBs. Kyler Murray got 7 first-place votes, Dwayne Haskins 4, Drew Lock 2, Daniel Jones 0.
https://bobmcginnfootball.com/quarterbacks-intangibles-give-mayfield-scouts-edge-over-murray/
10:11am 19 Apr 2019
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I get the feeling if we select Haskins, Raanan's next tweet will be to quote some scout on the negatives of Haskins.
He's become nothing more than a click-bait troller.
Im finding more and more sports media being nothing more than click-bait trolls. Its like everyone has an agenda, just give me the info and Ill think for myself.
Dan Duggan with The Athletic seems to have a vendetta going with Gettleman.
Absolute reasonable take, imv
When conference championships feature these 4 QBs:
Brady (6th rounder), Keenum, Foles, Bortles; 75% mediocre
It proves you dont need the franchise QB to win when the supporting cast around __ is good.
You have Saquon Barkley, you have 3 top 40 pick in a class loaded with elite defensive talent ... build the rest of the roster appropriately instead of banking on 1 of these 2019 QBs as your franchise savior.
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Gettleman saying QB for NY market team is a lot for someone to handle and you need someone that can process everything and handle it well. Perhaps Jones can do that, Im not sure. But Haskins seems like a guy that would be able to.
Absolute reasonable take, imv
BB did you notice that? It seemed Gettleman was pretty adamant about it. Perhaps they like Jones because of his Eli type personality
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In comment 14393336 ryanmkeane said:
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Gettleman saying QB for NY market team is a lot for someone to handle and you need someone that can process everything and handle it well. Perhaps Jones can do that, Im not sure. But Haskins seems like a guy that would be able to.
Absolute reasonable take, imv
BB did you notice that? It seemed Gettleman was pretty adamant about it. Perhaps they like Jones because of his Eli type personality
Put it this way: The ability to handle NY media pressure cannot be underscored enough. At times, that mindset can be overrated, but not in the media capital.
Obviously, that is NOT enough; skillset is vital, but in NY, they go hand in hand, imv
Nothing?
Nothing?
Nothing, tra-la-la?
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A poll of 14 personnel people reflected the lack of consensus. Each scout was asked to rank his best quarterbacks from 1 to 5, with a first-place vote worth 5 points, a second-place worth 4 and so forth.
Darnold drew seven firsts compared to five for Rosen, one for Allen and one for Mayfield. In a separate poll that asked 14 scouts to name the best player in the draft regardless of position, Mayfields one vote was the only one that went to a quarterback.
He dominates against everybody, said the scout that went all in on Mayfield. He makes everybody better. Theres no fatal flaw.
Nonetheless, Mayfield fared no better than fourth in the point totals.
Darnold led with 59 points, and was followed by Rosen with 55, Allen with 43, Mayfield with 35, Louisvilles Lamar Jackson with nine, Oklahoma States Mason Rudolph with eight and Washington States Luke Falk with one.
Two of the 14 declined to answer which of the six leading players had the best chance to bust. The 12-vote results showed five bust votes for Allen, four for Jackson and three for Mayfield.
Hire that Mayfield scout to help with our QB search.
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Nothing about his tape or performance suggests he will ever be anything more than a backup QB in the NFL at best.
Nothing?
Nothing?
Nothing, tra-la-la?
N-O-T-H-I-N-G
Interesting. Jones has thrown 764 passes and you haven't seen a single impressive one?
lol
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That seems to be where the bar is set. Personally, I want a guy you win because, but thats just me. I feel like they saw Philly win with Foles and Vikings having success with Keemun and thats more or less how they look at the position.
When conference championships feature these 4 QBs:
Brady (6th rounder), Keenum, Foles, Bortles; 75% mediocre
It proves you dont need the franchise QB to win when the supporting cast around __ is good.
You have Saquon Barkley, you have 3 top 40 pick in a class loaded with elite defensive talent ... build the rest of the roster appropriately instead of banking on 1 of these 2019 QBs as your franchise savior.
😂😂
And you'd be 100 percent wrong because one of the few guys on this site who actually talks to NFL personnel people has said the exact opposite.
Well if he has half the heart and drive to be great as Davis Webb had then I think he's going to be okay... or not. Oh wait, sorry, I meant not.
In all seriousness though, for the most part in the football you're either good or you ain't good. That's why the hit rate is so much higher on 1st and 2nd round picks than later picks. Of course you have exceptions like Brady but those are few and far between. At the end of the day pre-draft evaluations are very important and often (certainly not always) correct.
The guy who won the senior bowl mvp was one of the worst players on the field? Brilliant comment there. I guess you know more than the nfl scouts because you werent impressed by a 3 minute YouTube video. I suggest you google the scouting reports on Aaron Rodgers in 2005.
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16 years younger than Aaron Ross when he was drafted
Ha ha, nice.
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Btw, as I mentioned somewhere yesterday, Charlie Weis, who knows a thing or two about QBs, rates Murray the best and Grier next..Just sayin
The Grier brigade thanks you for sharing.
Please dont tell me the scouts missed on this guy or that guy. Blair Thomas - RB Penn State went second. So did Saquon. Theyre different players, different years. The fact that Brady fell to 199 doesnt mean we should wait to 199 to get a QB.
Was talking throughout senior bowl week not the game itself. He was the QB of the winning team
Solid point.
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There is a team with Daniel Jones as their No. 1 QB on their board. And yall know exactly who that team is.
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Ill never forget in 2013 when a reputable NFL insider suggested strong possibility Ryan Nassib was going 8th overall the week of the draft, maybe even day of.
4:37pm 19 Apr 2019
I'm really starting to think that too!
Josh, Giants 38? Just guessing
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just hedging my bet against dumbasses.
Josh, Giants 38? Just guessing
I was being facetious...I wasn't guessing
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In comment 14393299 UberAlias said:
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That seems to be where the bar is set. Personally, I want a guy you win because, but thats just me. I feel like they saw Philly win with Foles and Vikings having success with Keemun and thats more or less how they look at the position.
When conference championships feature these 4 QBs:
Brady (6th rounder), Keenum, Foles, Bortles; 75% mediocre
It proves you dont need the franchise QB to win when the supporting cast around __ is good.
You have Saquon Barkley, you have 3 top 40 pick in a class loaded with elite defensive talent ... build the rest of the roster appropriately instead of banking on 1 of these 2019 QBs as your franchise savior.
No, you do t need one. But thats a very narrow view. Only one of those QBs you mentioned has had sustained success with his team, and hes not in the 75% category.
and he was a 6th round pick ... That same team had no problem winning with Brissett or Matt Cassel either
There are professional NFL talent evaluators who disagree with you. If Belichick drafts him at 32 how will you tell Bill he's made a big mistake?
C'mon, you have to admit that one pass 3.5 years ago against UNC was pretty good
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Your post is ridiculous. How was he one of the worst players at senior bowl? He won senior bowl MVP. I'm not a pff guy but they really like him also
Was talking throughout senior bowl week not the game itself. He was the QB of the winning team
Still wrong
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Top performers I saw at Tuesday's North practice at the #SeniorBowl
Duke QB Daniel Jones
Missouri QB Drew Lock
Washington OT Kaleb McGary
Northern Illinois OT Max Scharping
Texas DL Charles Omenihu
Delaware DB Nasir Adderley
Iowa DL Anthony Nelson
Boston College TE Tommy Sweeney
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Your post is ridiculous. How was he one of the worst players at senior bowl? He won senior bowl MVP. I'm not a pff guy but they really like him also
Was talking throughout senior bowl week not the game itself. He was the QB of the winning team
Still wrong
@RobRang
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Top performers I saw at Tuesday's North practice at the #SeniorBowl
Duke QB Daniel Jones
Missouri QB Drew Lock
Washington OT Kaleb McGary
Northern Illinois OT Max Scharping
Texas DL Charles Omenihu
Delaware DB Nasir Adderley
Iowa DL Anthony Nelson
Boston College TE Tommy Sweeney
Yeah, well how did he look on Wednesday, damn it?!
Josh in the City
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In comment 14393766 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 14393739 jtgiants said:
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Your post is ridiculous. How was he one of the worst players at senior bowl? He won senior bowl MVP. I'm not a pff guy but they really like him also
Was talking throughout senior bowl week not the game itself. He was the QB of the winning team
Still wrong
@RobRang
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Top performers I saw at Tuesday's North practice at the #SeniorBowl
Duke QB Daniel Jones
Missouri QB Drew Lock
Washington OT Kaleb McGary
Northern Illinois OT Max Scharping
Texas DL Charles Omenihu
Delaware DB Nasir Adderley
Iowa DL Anthony Nelson
Boston College TE Tommy Sweeney
Yeah, well how did he look on Wednesday, damn it?!
Josh in the City
I heard he fumbled a snap on Thursday. The only suitable course of action is to completely remove him from the draft board.
Yes, Jones was named Senior Bowl Most Valuable Player -- he went 8 of 11 for 115 yards and a touchdown, which led all North passers -- but the numbers don't tell the entire story. With temperatures in the mid-50s, the sun shining and hardly any wind to speak of, Jones' downfield passes regularly wobbled, and many of the throws he got away with here on Saturday would be interceptions in the NFL. Ohio State's Terry McLaurin made a nice adjustment on a flea flicker pass from Jones that was slightly underthrown and behind the wide receiver.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-senior-bowl-only-one-of-drew-lock-daniel-jones-looks-like-first-rounder-isabella-mclaurin-shine-in-win/
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/10-biggest-disappointments-of-senior-bowl-week
https://www.ronclementssports.com/senior-bowl-nfl-draft-daniel-jones-duke-umass-raiders-49ers/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2817773-2019-senior-bowl-matt-millers-biggest-nfl-draft-winners-and-losers#slide5
https://thespun.com/football/nfl-draft-analyst-duke-qb-daniel-jones-struggled-today
But lets keep pretending that Im making this up bc we might reach for a day 3 qb in rd 1.
If you want Jones in the 3rd or 4th Round, Im all for it. But this Top 10 talk is making me nauseous, with the Senior Bowl only validating my previous film concerns.
DANIEL JONES: NOT THE ANSWER - ( New Window )
i happen to like Jones as well and think he will do well in our offense.