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sphinx : 4/19/2019 10:17 am
Jordan Raanan
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This is interesting. Bob McGinn asked 13 scouts to rank the top QBs. Kyler Murray got 7 first-place votes, Dwayne Haskins 4, Drew Lock 2, Daniel Jones 0.
https://bobmcginnfootball.com/quarterbacks-intangibles-give-mayfield-scouts-edge-over-murray/
10:11am 19 Apr 2019

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RE: RE: Somehow..  
Gman11 : 4/19/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14393295 GothamGiants said:
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In comment 14393287 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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I get the feeling if we select Haskins, Raanan's next tweet will be to quote some scout on the negatives of Haskins.

He's become nothing more than a click-bait troller.



Im finding more and more sports media being nothing more than click-bait trolls. Its like everyone has an agenda, just give me the info and Ill think for myself.


Dan Duggan with The Athletic seems to have a vendetta going with Gettleman.
Something that struck me was  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2019 11:00 am : link
Gettleman saying QB for NY market team is a lot for someone to handle and you need someone that can process everything and handle it well. Perhaps Jones can do that, Im not sure. But Haskins seems like a guy that would be able to.
RE: Something that struck me was  
Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14393336 ryanmkeane said:
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Gettleman saying QB for NY market team is a lot for someone to handle and you need someone that can process everything and handle it well. Perhaps Jones can do that, Im not sure. But Haskins seems like a guy that would be able to.


Absolute reasonable take, imv
I have that feeling  
Old Dirty : 4/19/2019 11:11 am : link
that if Haskins is sitting there at #6, he's a Giant. This would only bother me if Josh Allen is also available. It's highly unlikely that both will be still sitting there, but who really knows.
RE: Hes a guy you can win with  
GothamGiants : 4/19/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14393299 UberAlias said:
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That seems to be where the bar is set. Personally, I want a guy you win because, but thats just me. I feel like they saw Philly win with Foles and Vikings having success with Keemun and thats more or less how they look at the position.


When conference championships feature these 4 QBs:
Brady (6th rounder), Keenum, Foles, Bortles; 75% mediocre

It proves you dont need the franchise QB to win when the supporting cast around __ is good.

You have Saquon Barkley, you have 3 top 40 pick in a class loaded with elite defensive talent ... build the rest of the roster appropriately instead of banking on 1 of these 2019 QBs as your franchise savior.


I have felt this way  
Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2019 11:19 am : link
all along
'He's become nothing more than a click-bait troller'...  
Torrag : 4/19/2019 11:21 am : link
Sadly this is old news. He's been worthless for a long time now.
RE: RE: Something that struck me was  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14393348 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14393336 ryanmkeane said:


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Gettleman saying QB for NY market team is a lot for someone to handle and you need someone that can process everything and handle it well. Perhaps Jones can do that, Im not sure. But Haskins seems like a guy that would be able to.



Absolute reasonable take, imv



BB did you notice that? It seemed Gettleman was pretty adamant about it. Perhaps they like Jones because of his Eli type personality
RE: RE: RE: Something that struck me was  
Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14393369 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 14393348 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 14393336 ryanmkeane said:


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Gettleman saying QB for NY market team is a lot for someone to handle and you need someone that can process everything and handle it well. Perhaps Jones can do that, Im not sure. But Haskins seems like a guy that would be able to.



Absolute reasonable take, imv




BB did you notice that? It seemed Gettleman was pretty adamant about it. Perhaps they like Jones because of his Eli type personality


Put it this way: The ability to handle NY media pressure cannot be underscored enough. At times, that mindset can be overrated, but not in the media capital.

Obviously, that is NOT enough; skillset is vital, but in NY, they go hand in hand, imv
DANIEL JONES SUCKS  
Josh in the City : 4/19/2019 11:39 am : link
Just watch the damn tape! I 100% do not believe any scout who has watched every one of his games would advocate drafting him in the first two days of the draft. That's not me being extra negative he really wasn't impressive at all. He was also one of the worst players on the field at the Senior Bowl. I believe the love for him on this board comes down to the fact that rumors suggest the Giants may take him and people are hoping for the best. Nothing about his tape or performance suggests he will ever be anything more than a backup QB in the NFL at best.
RE: DANIEL JONES SUCKS  
Brown Recluse : 4/19/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14393390 Josh in the City said:
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Nothing about his tape or performance suggests he will ever be anything more than a backup QB in the NFL at best.


Nothing?

Nothing?

Nothing, tra-la-la?
RE: McGinn is the best in the biz but last year these scouts missed Baker  
Amtoft : 4/19/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14393285 Eric on Li said:
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Or at least 13/14 did. And Mayfield ended up ranked QB3 behind Darnold and Rosen.



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A poll of 14 personnel people reflected the lack of consensus. Each scout was asked to rank his best quarterbacks from 1 to 5, with a first-place vote worth 5 points, a second-place worth 4 and so forth.

Darnold drew seven firsts compared to five for Rosen, one for Allen and one for Mayfield. In a separate poll that asked 14 scouts to name the best player in the draft regardless of position, Mayfields one vote was the only one that went to a quarterback.

He dominates against everybody, said the scout that went all in on Mayfield. He makes everybody better. Theres no fatal flaw.

Nonetheless, Mayfield fared no better than fourth in the point totals.

Darnold led with 59 points, and was followed by Rosen with 55, Allen with 43, Mayfield with 35, Louisvilles Lamar Jackson with nine, Oklahoma States Mason Rudolph with eight and Washington States Luke Falk with one.

Two of the 14 declined to answer which of the six leading players had the best chance to bust. The 12-vote results showed five bust votes for Allen, four for Jackson and three for Mayfield.



Hire that Mayfield scout to help with our QB search.
RE: RE: DANIEL JONES SUCKS  
Josh in the City : 4/19/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14393397 Brown Recluse said:
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Nothing about his tape or performance suggests he will ever be anything more than a backup QB in the NFL at best.



Nothing?

Nothing?

Nothing, tra-la-la?

N-O-T-H-I-N-G
I havent seen a single impressive throw  
twostepgiants : 4/19/2019 11:52 am : link
Or play from Jones in what Ive seen
RE: I havent seen a single impressive throw  
Brown Recluse : 4/19/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14393423 twostepgiants said:
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Or play from Jones in what Ive seen


Interesting. Jones has thrown 764 passes and you haven't seen a single impressive one?
'completions'  
Brown Recluse : 4/19/2019 11:57 am : link
.
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Danny Kanell : 4/19/2019 12:11 pm : link
There goes Josh again. Speaking ever so passionately with definitives and absolutes about something he knows nothing about.
RE: I havent seen a single impressive throw  
Danny Kanell : 4/19/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14393423 twostepgiants said:
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Or play from Jones in what Ive seen


lol
RE: RE: Hes a guy you can win with  
UberAlias : 4/19/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14393357 GothamGiants said:
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That seems to be where the bar is set. Personally, I want a guy you win because, but thats just me. I feel like they saw Philly win with Foles and Vikings having success with Keemun and thats more or less how they look at the position.



When conference championships feature these 4 QBs:
Brady (6th rounder), Keenum, Foles, Bortles; 75% mediocre

It proves you dont need the franchise QB to win when the supporting cast around __ is good.

You have Saquon Barkley, you have 3 top 40 pick in a class loaded with elite defensive talent ... build the rest of the roster appropriately instead of banking on 1 of these 2019 QBs as your franchise savior.

No, you do t need one. But thats a very narrow view. Only one of those QBs you mentioned has had sustained success with his team, and hes not in the 75% category.
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Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14393450 Danny Kanell said:
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There goes Josh again. Speaking ever so passionately with definitives and absolutes about something he knows nothing about.


😂😂
RE: DANIEL JONES SUCKS  
Now Mike in MD : 4/19/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14393390 Josh in the City said:
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Just watch the damn tape! I 100% do not believe any scout who has watched every one of his games would advocate drafting him in the first two days of the draft. That's not me being extra negative he really wasn't impressive at all. He was also one of the worst players on the field at the Senior Bowl. I believe the love for him on this board comes down to the fact that rumors suggest the Giants may take him and people are hoping for the best. Nothing about his tape or performance suggests he will ever be anything more than a backup QB in the NFL at best.


And you'd be 100 percent wrong because one of the few guys on this site who actually talks to NFL personnel people has said the exact opposite.
RE: Curious how these same (?)  
Leg of Theismann : 4/19/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14393276 Big Blue '56 said:
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scouts rated Brady coming out of Michigan..Many other examples through the years. Hard to measure heart. That said, who TF really knows?


Well if he has half the heart and drive to be great as Davis Webb had then I think he's going to be okay... or not. Oh wait, sorry, I meant not.

In all seriousness though, for the most part in the football you're either good or you ain't good. That's why the hit rate is so much higher on 1st and 2nd round picks than later picks. Of course you have exceptions like Brady but those are few and far between. At the end of the day pre-draft evaluations are very important and often (certainly not always) correct.
RE: DANIEL JONES SUCKS  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14393390 Josh in the City said:
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Just watch the damn tape! I 100% do not believe any scout who has watched every one of his games would advocate drafting him in the first two days of the draft. That's not me being extra negative he really wasn't impressive at all. He was also one of the worst players on the field at the Senior Bowl. I believe the love for him on this board comes down to the fact that rumors suggest the Giants may take him and people are hoping for the best. Nothing about his tape or performance suggests he will ever be anything more than a backup QB in the NFL at best.

The guy who won the senior bowl mvp was one of the worst players on the field? Brilliant comment there. I guess you know more than the nfl scouts because you werent impressed by a 3 minute YouTube video. I suggest you google the scouting reports on Aaron Rodgers in 2005.
RE: RE: RE: Isnt Grier 24/25 years old?  
eric2425ny : 4/19/2019 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14393334 Big Blue '56 said:
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16 years younger than Aaron Ross when he was drafted


Ha ha, nice.
Everyone  
mdthedream : 4/19/2019 1:21 pm : link
was wrong about Brady so who cares.
RE: RE: Yeah, I highly respect McGinn as well.  
NYG007 : 4/19/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14393292 GiantGrit said:
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Btw, as I mentioned somewhere yesterday, Charlie Weis, who knows a thing or two about QBs, rates Murray the best and Grier next..Just sayin



The Grier brigade thanks you for sharing.
I'd love to come out with Will Grier - 17 or 2nd round
Then Why Do I Keep Hearing From People Here  
Giants38 : 4/19/2019 2:50 pm : link
That NFL people love Jones? Evidently not the ones polled by McGinn. And when people are saying Haskins is slipping to 4th best QB, I suppose that could be the case, but the scouts opinions dont jive with that either.

Please dont tell me the scouts missed on this guy or that guy. Blair Thomas - RB Penn State went second. So did Saquon. Theyre different players, different years. The fact that Brady fell to 199 doesnt mean we should wait to 199 to get a QB.
A lof of of old school NFL  
BigBlueCane : 4/19/2019 2:54 pm : link
guys are looking for players/talents that no longer exist in the current CFB landscape.
Josh in the city  
jtgiants : 4/19/2019 3:06 pm : link
Your post is ridiculous. How was he one of the worst players at senior bowl? He won senior bowl MVP. I'm not a pff guy but they really like him also
RE: Josh in the city  
Josh in the City : 4/19/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14393739 jtgiants said:
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Your post is ridiculous. How was he one of the worst players at senior bowl? He won senior bowl MVP. I'm not a pff guy but they really like him also

Was talking throughout senior bowl week not the game itself. He was the QB of the winning team
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2019 3:21 pm : link
This thread is making me think perhaps I should like Daniel Jones a little more than I do...
RE: A lof of of old school NFL  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/19/2019 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14393716 BigBlueCane said:
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guys are looking for players/talents that no longer exist in the current CFB landscape.


Solid point.
Doesn't Suck  
Thegratefulhead : 4/19/2019 3:24 pm : link
Not even close. I don't think he has any plus traits though. When I have seen him play, nothing he did said wow to me. I watched QBs and put them in other situations in my mind and go, if this guy was at XXXXX he would be a monster. When I watched Rosen at UCLA with his terrible receivers, I was like, If he was OU or OSU, he might have thrown for 6K yards. I never felt like with Jones and his even worse receivers. I think Jones could handle NY though and be a good but not great QB.
.  
Anakim : 4/19/2019 3:34 pm : link
Charles Robinson
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@CharlesRobinson

There is a team with Daniel Jones as their No. 1 QB on their board. And yall know exactly who that team is.
Ryan Nassib  
sphinx : 4/19/2019 4:40 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Ill never forget in 2013 when a reputable NFL insider suggested strong possibility Ryan Nassib was going 8th overall the week of the draft, maybe even day of.

4:37pm 19 Apr 2019

RE: .  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/19/2019 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14393768 arcarsenal said:
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This thread is making me think perhaps I should like Daniel Jones a little more than I do...


I'm really starting to think that too!
Havent read the thread:  
Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2019 5:21 pm : link
Arca and Fat Mara (copyright bw central): Are you guys just joshing or serious? If serious, what are you seeing here?
I'm..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/19/2019 5:26 pm : link
just hedging my bet against dumbasses.
RE: I'm..  
KingBlue : 4/19/2019 5:32 pm : link
In comment 14394028 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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just hedging my bet against dumbasses.


Josh, Giants 38? Just guessing
RE: RE: I'm..  
KingBlue : 4/19/2019 5:36 pm : link
In comment 14394043 KingBlue said:
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just hedging my bet against dumbasses.



Josh, Giants 38? Just guessing


I was being facetious...I wasn't guessing
RE: RE: RE: Hes a guy you can win with  
GothamGiants : 4/19/2019 6:13 pm : link
In comment 14393455 UberAlias said:
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That seems to be where the bar is set. Personally, I want a guy you win because, but thats just me. I feel like they saw Philly win with Foles and Vikings having success with Keemun and thats more or less how they look at the position.



When conference championships feature these 4 QBs:
Brady (6th rounder), Keenum, Foles, Bortles; 75% mediocre

It proves you dont need the franchise QB to win when the supporting cast around __ is good.

You have Saquon Barkley, you have 3 top 40 pick in a class loaded with elite defensive talent ... build the rest of the roster appropriately instead of banking on 1 of these 2019 QBs as your franchise savior.



No, you do t need one. But thats a very narrow view. Only one of those QBs you mentioned has had sustained success with his team, and hes not in the 75% category.


and he was a 6th round pick ... That same team had no problem winning with Brissett or Matt Cassel either
Great point  
UberAlias : 4/19/2019 6:38 pm : link
Brady is a low draft pick and any QB can win on that team. He sucks. Got it.
RE: DANIEL JONES SUCKS  
clatterbuck : 4/19/2019 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14393390 Josh in the City said:
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Just watch the damn tape! I 100% do not believe any scout who has watched every one of his games would advocate drafting him in the first two days of the draft. That's not me being extra negative he really wasn't impressive at all. He was also one of the worst players on the field at the Senior Bowl. I believe the love for him on this board comes down to the fact that rumors suggest the Giants may take him and people are hoping for the best. Nothing about his tape or performance suggests he will ever be anything more than a backup QB in the NFL at best.


There are professional NFL talent evaluators who disagree with you. If Belichick drafts him at 32 how will you tell Bill he's made a big mistake?
RE: I havent seen a single impressive throw  
PatersonPlank : 4/19/2019 7:23 pm : link
In comment 14393423 twostepgiants said:
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Or play from Jones in what Ive seen


C'mon, you have to admit that one pass 3.5 years ago against UNC was pretty good
RE: RE: Josh in the city  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14393766 Josh in the City said:
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Your post is ridiculous. How was he one of the worst players at senior bowl? He won senior bowl MVP. I'm not a pff guy but they really like him also


Was talking throughout senior bowl week not the game itself. He was the QB of the winning team

Still wrong


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Top performers I saw at Tuesday's North practice at the #SeniorBowl

Duke QB Daniel Jones
Missouri QB Drew Lock
Washington OT Kaleb McGary
Northern Illinois OT Max Scharping
Texas DL Charles Omenihu
Delaware DB Nasir Adderley
Iowa DL Anthony Nelson
Boston College TE Tommy Sweeney
RE: RE: RE: Josh in the city  
BigBlueShock : 4/19/2019 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14394235 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14393766 Josh in the City said:


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In comment 14393739 jtgiants said:


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Your post is ridiculous. How was he one of the worst players at senior bowl? He won senior bowl MVP. I'm not a pff guy but they really like him also


Was talking throughout senior bowl week not the game itself. He was the QB of the winning team


Still wrong


@RobRang
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Top performers I saw at Tuesday's North practice at the #SeniorBowl

Duke QB Daniel Jones
Missouri QB Drew Lock
Washington OT Kaleb McGary
Northern Illinois OT Max Scharping
Texas DL Charles Omenihu
Delaware DB Nasir Adderley
Iowa DL Anthony Nelson
Boston College TE Tommy Sweeney

Yeah, well how did he look on Wednesday, damn it?!

Josh in the City
RE: RE: RE: RE: Josh in the city  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14394247 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14394235 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 14393766 Josh in the City said:


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In comment 14393739 jtgiants said:


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Your post is ridiculous. How was he one of the worst players at senior bowl? He won senior bowl MVP. I'm not a pff guy but they really like him also


Was talking throughout senior bowl week not the game itself. He was the QB of the winning team


Still wrong


@RobRang
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Top performers I saw at Tuesday's North practice at the #SeniorBowl

Duke QB Daniel Jones
Missouri QB Drew Lock
Washington OT Kaleb McGary
Northern Illinois OT Max Scharping
Texas DL Charles Omenihu
Delaware DB Nasir Adderley
Iowa DL Anthony Nelson
Boston College TE Tommy Sweeney


Yeah, well how did he look on Wednesday, damn it?!

Josh in the City

I heard he fumbled a snap on Thursday. The only suitable course of action is to completely remove him from the draft board.
Nice tweet...  
Josh in the City : 4/19/2019 11:08 pm : link
Several NFL evaluators told CBSSports.com early in the week that they were split on Lock and Jones, but that's almost certainly changed.
Yes, Jones was named Senior Bowl Most Valuable Player -- he went 8 of 11 for 115 yards and a touchdown, which led all North passers -- but the numbers don't tell the entire story. With temperatures in the mid-50s, the sun shining and hardly any wind to speak of, Jones' downfield passes regularly wobbled, and many of the throws he got away with here on Saturday would be interceptions in the NFL. Ohio State's Terry McLaurin made a nice adjustment on a flea flicker pass from Jones that was slightly underthrown and behind the wide receiver.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-senior-bowl-only-one-of-drew-lock-daniel-jones-looks-like-first-rounder-isabella-mclaurin-shine-in-win/

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/10-biggest-disappointments-of-senior-bowl-week

https://www.ronclementssports.com/senior-bowl-nfl-draft-daniel-jones-duke-umass-raiders-49ers/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2817773-2019-senior-bowl-matt-millers-biggest-nfl-draft-winners-and-losers#slide5

https://thespun.com/football/nfl-draft-analyst-duke-qb-daniel-jones-struggled-today

But lets keep pretending that Im making this up bc we might reach for a day 3 qb in rd 1.


0  
Josh in the City : 4/19/2019 11:27 pm : link
I still dont necessarily mind Jones at the right price given how appalling this QB class is in its depth. At his best, hes about Ryan Tannehill. If you can structure a West-Coast Offence around him with some quick passing, Daniel can at least be competent despite his limitations. But is Ryan Tannehill truly moving the needle for a franchise? The answer is an emphatic no.

If you want Jones in the 3rd or 4th Round, Im all for it. But this Top 10 talk is making me nauseous, with the Senior Bowl only validating my previous film concerns.
DANIEL JONES: NOT THE ANSWER - ( New Window )
The reality is  
BP in Delray : 4/20/2019 6:47 am : link
the opinion that matters most is Pat Shurmurs. Ill take his track record with QBs and offense, and trust that he knows whatnhe's looking for in a QB. If he thinks Djones has the traits im down with it.

i happen to like Jones as well and think he will do well in our offense.
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