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sphinx : 4/19/2019 10:17 am
Jordan Raanan
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This is interesting. Bob McGinn asked 13 scouts to rank the top QBs. Kyler Murray got 7 first-place votes, Dwayne Haskins 4, Drew Lock 2, Daniel Jones 0.
https://bobmcginnfootball.com/quarterbacks-intangibles-give-mayfield-scouts-edge-over-murray/
10:11am · 19 Apr 2019

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Curious how these same (?)  
Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2019 10:19 am : link
scouts rated Brady coming out of Michigan..Many other examples through the years. Hard to measure heart. That said, who TF really knows?
Well, Charlie Caserly asked 20 teams  
ZogZerg : 4/19/2019 10:23 am : link
to rank their top 4 QBs.

Daniel Jones was tied with Haskins at #2.
McGinn is the best in the biz but last year these scouts missed Baker  
Eric on Li : 4/19/2019 10:25 am : link
Or at least 13/14 did. And Mayfield ended up ranked QB3 behind Darnold and Rosen.

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A poll of 14 personnel people reflected the lack of consensus. Each scout was asked to rank his best quarterbacks from 1 to 5, with a first-place vote worth 5 points, a second-place worth 4 and so forth.

Darnold drew seven firsts compared to five for Rosen, one for Allen and one for Mayfield. In a separate poll that asked 14 scouts to name the best player in the draft regardless of position, Mayfield’s one vote was the only one that went to a quarterback.

“He dominates against everybody,” said the scout that went all in on Mayfield. “He makes everybody better. There’s no fatal flaw.”

Nonetheless, Mayfield fared no better than fourth in the point totals.

Darnold led with 59 points, and was followed by Rosen with 55, Allen with 43, Mayfield with 35, Louisville’s Lamar Jackson with nine, Oklahoma State’s Mason Rudolph with eight and Washington State’s Luke Falk with one.

Two of the 14 declined to answer which of the six leading players had the best chance to bust. The 12-vote results showed five bust votes for Allen, four for Jackson and three for Mayfield.
Somehow..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/19/2019 10:26 am : link
I get the feeling if we select Haskins, Raanan's next tweet will be to quote some scout on the negatives of Haskins.

He's become nothing more than a click-bait troller.
Yeah, I highly respect McGinn as well.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2019 10:27 am : link
Btw, as I mentioned somewhere yesterday, Charlie Weis, who knows a thing or two about QBs, rates Murray the best and Grier next..Just sayin’
RE: Yeah, I highly respect McGinn as well.  
GiantGrit : 4/19/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14393291 Big Blue '56 said:
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Btw, as I mentioned somewhere yesterday, Charlie Weis, who knows a thing or two about QBs, rates Murray the best and Grier next..Just sayin’


The Grier brigade thanks you for sharing.
RE: Well, Charlie Caserly asked 20 teams  
sphinx : 4/19/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14393281 ZogZerg said:
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to rank their top 4 QBs.

Daniel Jones was tied with Haskins at #2.

3rd ranked ...
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RE: Somehow..  
GothamGiants : 4/19/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14393287 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I get the feeling if we select Haskins, Raanan's next tweet will be to quote some scout on the negatives of Haskins.

He's become nothing more than a click-bait troller.


I’m finding more and more sports media being nothing more than click-bait trolls. It’s like everyone has an agenda, just give me the info and I’ll think for myself.
He’s a guy you can win with  
UberAlias : 4/19/2019 10:30 am : link
That seems to be where the bar is set. Personally, I want a guy you win because, but that’s just me. I feel like they saw Philly win with Foles and Vikings having success with Keemun and that’s more or less how they look at the position.
RE: Somehow..  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14393287 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I get the feeling if we select Haskins, Raanan's next tweet will be to quote some scout on the negatives of Haskins.

He's become nothing more than a click-bait troller.

This, I stopped watching ESPN over 10 years ago because nearly everyone has an agenda. It's more about creating a reaction than actually reported sports information. Raanan is just the next in line of troll journalists.
Sphinx  
ZogZerg : 4/19/2019 10:33 am : link
That's a different video then the one they had on last night on the NFL network. There they showed they both Haskins and Jones scored 42 points in this poll.
Isnt Grier 24/25 years old?  
George from PA : 4/19/2019 10:33 am : link
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RE: Isnt Grier 24/25 years old?  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14393304 George from PA said:
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RE: Sphinx  
sphinx : 4/19/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14393302 ZogZerg said:
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That's a different video then the one they had on last night on the NFL network. There they showed they both Haskins and Jones scored 42 points in this poll.

lol ... They're toying with us
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To clarify my post  
UberAlias : 4/19/2019 10:35 am : link
Their philosophy is to build entire roster. QB is just another position. You get a guy you think you can win with and build a strong roster. That’s how they look at it.
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Danny Kanell : 4/19/2019 10:45 am : link
You can find a negative report on every player, you just need to look  
PatersonPlank : 4/19/2019 10:47 am : link
The wonder of the internet
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ghost718 : 4/19/2019 10:56 am : link
RE: RE: Isnt Grier 24/25 years old?  
Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14393306 Jay on the Island said:
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16 years younger than Aaron Ross when he was drafted
RE: RE: Somehow..  
Gman11 : 4/19/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14393295 GothamGiants said:
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In comment 14393287 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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I get the feeling if we select Haskins, Raanan's next tweet will be to quote some scout on the negatives of Haskins.

He's become nothing more than a click-bait troller.



I’m finding more and more sports media being nothing more than click-bait trolls. It’s like everyone has an agenda, just give me the info and I’ll think for myself.


Dan Duggan with The Athletic seems to have a vendetta going with Gettleman.
Something that struck me was  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2019 11:00 am : link
Gettleman saying QB for NY market team is a lot for someone to handle and you need someone that can process everything and handle it well. Perhaps Jones can do that, I’m not sure. But Haskins seems like a guy that would be able to.
RE: Something that struck me was  
Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14393336 ryanmkeane said:
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Gettleman saying QB for NY market team is a lot for someone to handle and you need someone that can process everything and handle it well. Perhaps Jones can do that, I’m not sure. But Haskins seems like a guy that would be able to.


Absolute reasonable take, imv
I have that feeling  
Old Dirty : 4/19/2019 11:11 am : link
that if Haskins is sitting there at #6, he's a Giant. This would only bother me if Josh Allen is also available. It's highly unlikely that both will be still sitting there, but who really knows.
RE: He’s a guy you can win with  
GothamGiants : 4/19/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14393299 UberAlias said:
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That seems to be where the bar is set. Personally, I want a guy you win because, but that’s just me. I feel like they saw Philly win with Foles and Vikings having success with Keemun and that’s more or less how they look at the position.


When conference championships feature these 4 QBs:
Brady (6th rounder), Keenum, Foles, Bortles; 75% mediocre

It proves you don’t “need” the “franchise QB” to win when the supporting cast around __ is good.

You have Saquon Barkley, you have 3 top 40 pick in a class loaded with elite defensive talent ... build the rest of the roster appropriately instead of banking on 1 of these 2019 QBs as your franchise savior.


I have felt this way  
Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2019 11:19 am : link
all along
'He's become nothing more than a click-bait troller'...  
Torrag : 4/19/2019 11:21 am : link
Sadly this is old news. He's been worthless for a long time now.
RE: RE: Something that struck me was  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14393348 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14393336 ryanmkeane said:


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Gettleman saying QB for NY market team is a lot for someone to handle and you need someone that can process everything and handle it well. Perhaps Jones can do that, I’m not sure. But Haskins seems like a guy that would be able to.



Absolute reasonable take, imv



BB did you notice that? It seemed Gettleman was pretty adamant about it. Perhaps they like Jones because of his Eli type personality
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Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14393369 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 14393348 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 14393336 ryanmkeane said:


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Gettleman saying QB for NY market team is a lot for someone to handle and you need someone that can process everything and handle it well. Perhaps Jones can do that, I’m not sure. But Haskins seems like a guy that would be able to.



Absolute reasonable take, imv




BB did you notice that? It seemed Gettleman was pretty adamant about it. Perhaps they like Jones because of his Eli type personality


Put it this way: The ability to handle NY media pressure cannot be underscored enough. At times, that mindset can be overrated, but not in the media capital.

Obviously, that is NOT enough; skillset is vital, but in NY, they go hand in hand, imv
DANIEL JONES SUCKS  
Josh in the City : 4/19/2019 11:39 am : link
Just watch the damn tape! I 100% do not believe any scout who has watched every one of his games would advocate drafting him in the first two days of the draft. That's not me being extra negative he really wasn't impressive at all. He was also one of the worst players on the field at the Senior Bowl. I believe the love for him on this board comes down to the fact that rumors suggest the Giants may take him and people are hoping for the best. Nothing about his tape or performance suggests he will ever be anything more than a backup QB in the NFL at best.
RE: DANIEL JONES SUCKS  
Brown Recluse : 4/19/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14393390 Josh in the City said:
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Nothing about his tape or performance suggests he will ever be anything more than a backup QB in the NFL at best.


Nothing?

Nothing?

Nothing, tra-la-la?
RE: McGinn is the best in the biz but last year these scouts missed Baker  
Amtoft : 4/19/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14393285 Eric on Li said:
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Or at least 13/14 did. And Mayfield ended up ranked QB3 behind Darnold and Rosen.



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A poll of 14 personnel people reflected the lack of consensus. Each scout was asked to rank his best quarterbacks from 1 to 5, with a first-place vote worth 5 points, a second-place worth 4 and so forth.

Darnold drew seven firsts compared to five for Rosen, one for Allen and one for Mayfield. In a separate poll that asked 14 scouts to name the best player in the draft regardless of position, Mayfield’s one vote was the only one that went to a quarterback.

“He dominates against everybody,” said the scout that went all in on Mayfield. “He makes everybody better. There’s no fatal flaw.”

Nonetheless, Mayfield fared no better than fourth in the point totals.

Darnold led with 59 points, and was followed by Rosen with 55, Allen with 43, Mayfield with 35, Louisville’s Lamar Jackson with nine, Oklahoma State’s Mason Rudolph with eight and Washington State’s Luke Falk with one.

Two of the 14 declined to answer which of the six leading players had the best chance to bust. The 12-vote results showed five bust votes for Allen, four for Jackson and three for Mayfield.



Hire that Mayfield scout to help with our QB search.
RE: RE: DANIEL JONES SUCKS  
Josh in the City : 4/19/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14393397 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 14393390 Josh in the City said:


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Nothing about his tape or performance suggests he will ever be anything more than a backup QB in the NFL at best.



Nothing?

Nothing?

Nothing, tra-la-la?

N-O-T-H-I-N-G
I havent seen a single impressive throw  
twostepgiants : 4/19/2019 11:52 am : link
Or play from Jones in what Ive seen
RE: I havent seen a single impressive throw  
Brown Recluse : 4/19/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14393423 twostepgiants said:
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Or play from Jones in what Ive seen


Interesting. Jones has thrown 764 passes and you haven't seen a single impressive one?
'completions'  
Brown Recluse : 4/19/2019 11:57 am : link
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Danny Kanell : 4/19/2019 12:11 pm : link
There goes Josh again. Speaking ever so passionately with definitives and absolutes about something he knows nothing about.
RE: I havent seen a single impressive throw  
Danny Kanell : 4/19/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14393423 twostepgiants said:
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Or play from Jones in what Ive seen


lol
RE: RE: He’s a guy you can win with  
UberAlias : 4/19/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14393357 GothamGiants said:
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In comment 14393299 UberAlias said:


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That seems to be where the bar is set. Personally, I want a guy you win because, but that’s just me. I feel like they saw Philly win with Foles and Vikings having success with Keemun and that’s more or less how they look at the position.



When conference championships feature these 4 QBs:
Brady (6th rounder), Keenum, Foles, Bortles; 75% mediocre

It proves you don’t “need” the “franchise QB” to win when the supporting cast around __ is good.

You have Saquon Barkley, you have 3 top 40 pick in a class loaded with elite defensive talent ... build the rest of the roster appropriately instead of banking on 1 of these 2019 QBs as your franchise savior.

No, you do t need one. But that’s a very narrow view. Only one of those QBs you mentioned has had sustained success with his team, and he’s not in the 75% category.
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Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14393450 Danny Kanell said:
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There goes Josh again. Speaking ever so passionately with definitives and absolutes about something he knows nothing about.


😂😂
RE: DANIEL JONES SUCKS  
Now Mike in MD : 4/19/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14393390 Josh in the City said:
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Just watch the damn tape! I 100% do not believe any scout who has watched every one of his games would advocate drafting him in the first two days of the draft. That's not me being extra negative he really wasn't impressive at all. He was also one of the worst players on the field at the Senior Bowl. I believe the love for him on this board comes down to the fact that rumors suggest the Giants may take him and people are hoping for the best. Nothing about his tape or performance suggests he will ever be anything more than a backup QB in the NFL at best.


And you'd be 100 percent wrong because one of the few guys on this site who actually talks to NFL personnel people has said the exact opposite.
RE: Curious how these same (?)  
Leg of Theismann : 4/19/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14393276 Big Blue '56 said:
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scouts rated Brady coming out of Michigan..Many other examples through the years. Hard to measure heart. That said, who TF really knows?


Well if he has half the heart and drive to be great as Davis Webb had then I think he's going to be okay... or not. Oh wait, sorry, I meant not.

In all seriousness though, for the most part in the football you're either good or you ain't good. That's why the hit rate is so much higher on 1st and 2nd round picks than later picks. Of course you have exceptions like Brady but those are few and far between. At the end of the day pre-draft evaluations are very important and often (certainly not always) correct.
RE: DANIEL JONES SUCKS  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14393390 Josh in the City said:
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Just watch the damn tape! I 100% do not believe any scout who has watched every one of his games would advocate drafting him in the first two days of the draft. That's not me being extra negative he really wasn't impressive at all. He was also one of the worst players on the field at the Senior Bowl. I believe the love for him on this board comes down to the fact that rumors suggest the Giants may take him and people are hoping for the best. Nothing about his tape or performance suggests he will ever be anything more than a backup QB in the NFL at best.

The guy who won the senior bowl mvp was one of the worst players on the field? Brilliant comment there. I guess you know more than the nfl scouts because you weren’t impressed by a 3 minute YouTube video. I suggest you google the scouting reports on Aaron Rodgers in 2005.
RE: RE: RE: Isnt Grier 24/25 years old?  
eric2425ny : 4/19/2019 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14393334 Big Blue '56 said:
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16 years younger than Aaron Ross when he was drafted


Ha ha, nice.
Everyone  
mdthedream : 4/19/2019 1:21 pm : link
was wrong about Brady so who cares.
RE: RE: Yeah, I highly respect McGinn as well.  
NYG007 : 4/19/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14393292 GiantGrit said:
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In comment 14393291 Big Blue '56 said:


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Btw, as I mentioned somewhere yesterday, Charlie Weis, who knows a thing or two about QBs, rates Murray the best and Grier next..Just sayin’



The Grier brigade thanks you for sharing.
I'd love to come out with Will Grier - 17 or 2nd round
Then Why Do I Keep Hearing From People Here  
Giants38 : 4/19/2019 2:50 pm : link
That NFL people love Jones? Evidently not the ones polled by McGinn. And when people are saying Haskins is slipping to 4th best QB, I suppose that could be the case, but the scouts’ opinions don’t jive with that either.

Please don’t tell me the scouts missed on this guy or that guy. Blair Thomas - RB Penn State went second. So did Saquon. They’re different players, different years. The fact that Brady fell to 199 doesn’t mean we should wait to 199 to get a QB.
A lof of of old school NFL  
BigBlueCane : 4/19/2019 2:54 pm : link
guys are looking for players/talents that no longer exist in the current CFB landscape.
Josh in the city  
jtgiants : 4/19/2019 3:06 pm : link
Your post is ridiculous. How was he one of the worst players at senior bowl? He won senior bowl MVP. I'm not a pff guy but they really like him also
RE: Josh in the city  
Josh in the City : 4/19/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14393739 jtgiants said:
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Your post is ridiculous. How was he one of the worst players at senior bowl? He won senior bowl MVP. I'm not a pff guy but they really like him also

Was talking throughout senior bowl week not the game itself. He was the QB of the winning team
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2019 3:21 pm : link
This thread is making me think perhaps I should like Daniel Jones a little more than I do...
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