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Tweet from @RapSheet: Sources: #Raiders coach Jon Gruden and GM Mike Mayock sent their scouts home for the weekend and they are not expected to return by draft time. The belief is they don’t know who to trust and wanted to clear the room. |
& thank God Gruden is no longer on MNF.
I'd love to be a fly on that draftroom wall!
We have had the discussion on here many times, so I get the reasons, but this is 2019, it cannot be that hard to scout/review 250 football players from January to the end of April - and when you consider after the third round it's a massive crapshoot anyway, you really need to scout the top 110 or so heavily.
Just as bad? You are being kind. Those fuckers made Gruden look like John Madden.
Gettleman sent the scouts home for the Holidays. They'll be back. Completely different thing.
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"Not trusting" their scouts prolly has nothing to do with what they think of their scouts' evaluations, and everything to do with a lack of trust in their ability to keep their draft board a secret.
Gettleman sent the scouts home for the Holidays. They'll be back. Completely different thing.
How do you know they'll be back?
Gettleman and the two Maras.
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"Not trusting" their scouts prolly has nothing to do with what they think of their scouts' evaluations, and everything to do with a lack of trust in their ability to keep their draft board a secret.
Gettleman sent the scouts home for the Holidays. They'll be back. Completely different thing.
How do you know they'll be back?
Art Stapleton just tweeted that
@MoveTheSticks
When I started scouting in 2003, most teams allowed scouts and coaches to see the draft board. By 2012, most teams only allowed 3-4 people (HC/GM/Personnel Director/College Director) to have access to the board. This isn’t that unusual.
12:41pm · 19 Apr 2019
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"Not trusting" their scouts prolly has nothing to do with what they think of their scouts' evaluations, and everything to do with a lack of trust in their ability to keep their draft board a secret.
Gettleman sent the scouts home for the Holidays. They'll be back. Completely different thing.
Meh, same thing, different spin. It's smart actually.
@MoveTheSticks
When I started scouting in 2003, most teams allowed scouts and coaches to see the draft board. By 2012, most teams only allowed 3-4 people (HC/GM/Personnel Director/College Director) to have access to the board. This isn’t that unusual.
12:41pm · 19 Apr 2019
So our leaks were coming from Coughlin, Reese, Ross or Chris Mara? I guess there is a reason nobody was upset when Ross got fired.
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In comment 14393502 BlueLou'sBack said:
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"Not trusting" their scouts prolly has nothing to do with what they think of their scouts' evaluations, and everything to do with a lack of trust in their ability to keep their draft board a secret.
Gettleman sent the scouts home for the Holidays. They'll be back. Completely different thing.
Meh, same thing, different spin. It's smart actually.
No I don't think it is. Our personnel people will be with the team next week and for the draft. The Raiders won't.
I think he sent them home for the holiday and expects them back.
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Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
When I started scouting in 2003, most teams allowed scouts and coaches to see the draft board. By 2012, most teams only allowed 3-4 people (HC/GM/Personnel Director/College Director) to have access to the board. This isn’t that unusual.
12:41pm · 19 Apr 2019
So our leaks were coming from Coughlin, Reese, Ross or Chris Mara? I guess there is a reason nobody was upset when Ross got fired.
It was definitely Ross
Yeah I think people are missing that part.
I'm sure most teams send their scouts home for the weekend. They've just worked a long ass year. The people aren't told hey don't come back.
There's a difference between parting ways with scouts because it's the end of the draft cycle and doing so because you don't have confidence that they're professional enough to not undermine the team by leaking secrets.
Very well done. And spot on.
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Do you mean Chris Mara? The Tim Mara I know has been dead for about 20 years. Or do you mean Kate or Rooney?
Very well done. And spot on.
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Very well done. And spot on.
Tim Mara? Really?
I could see it as operational security meant to keep potential trades or draft day moves quiet, since that's going to develop while the draft is underway. But as a measure of limiting leaks related to teams interest and draft board? By this time, the players have all been scouted and graded. The scouts are familiar with the methodology. They already know more than enough to let someone outside the organization know who a team would have ranked higher or lower or players that wouldn't interest them.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Honestly, I say good for Mayock to close ranks if he believes the integrity of his draft is being compromised by leaks from his own scouts, if that is the case here.
Leaks crushed the Giants’ draft a few years back.
If a scout has aspirations of being a GM one day, or director of college scouting, or higher personnel job, that scout could give information and build a relationship so that one day when he is getting interviews, the reviews with some in media are more favorable than others.
Don’t know if that is the case here. Might be some personal stuff since a new GM will likely be restructuring the department, which could mean drastic changes and jobs lost, so new regime is protecting itself against being compromised.
All it takes is one whisper to kill a draft
Great dude to hang out with - a complete wild Card otherwise
Guy was a good coach at one time. But he pretty much won at Tampa w a defense he didn’t put together or coach. People thought Al Davis was senile at the end, what’s Mark Davis’ fault
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Gruden was some kind of slam dunk.
Guy was a good coach at one time. But he pretty much won at Tampa w a defense he didn’t put together or coach. People thought Al Davis was senile at the end, what’s Mark Davis’ fault
True but he did an incredible job while coaching the Raiders. Gruden also did a masterful job with the QB's he was given. Jeff Garcia had bounced around the league with the Browns and Lions before signing with Tampa. He ended making the pro bowl at age 37 under Gruden.