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2. Dwayne Haskins, Ohio State (Overall Rank: 14) Height: 6' 33& #8260;8" | Weight: 231 pounds He’s as much of a classic pocket passer as you’ll find among top QB prospects in this era. Haskins is a power thrower with the willingness to test tight windows, and can get the ball into those tight spots with velocity even after he’s moved off his spot. He’s a quiet mover within the pocket, keeping his eyes downfield and moving through progressions with good tempo. He’s also a serviceable athlete who can pick up yards as an occasional scrambler and can be used—though sparingly—on read-option plays. There’s always concern with one-year starters, as opponents haven’t had a chance to truly dissect their games and scheme to take away their strengths, but Haskins encouragingly bounced back from a mid-season lull and finished strong. Multiple MMQB staffers were told he has been acing chalk-talk sessions. |
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Miller B/R: Matt Miller's Scouting Notebook: Biggest Insider Rumors of the 2019 NFL Draft “RUMOR: The Giants want Dwayne Haskins Depending on which information personality you trust, Dwayne Haskins' stock is either staying the same or moving down to where he might be drafted in the 20s. The information I've been hearing is that the Giants actually want Haskins at No. 6 overall and might have finally orchestrated a good smoke screen. Multiple sources in other front offices have remarked that Haskins has "always" been the guy for the Giants. Going back to my own reporting, the Giants have done more work on the Ohio State quarterback than any other team. Smart football people know to be careful about what to trust in the final two weeks before the draft, which is when the purported fall for Haskins began. The rumor that the Giants want Haskins? That's one I believe.“ |
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In comment 14393745 jtgiants said:
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Similar to peppers. In terms of youth and upside with a very manageable contract. I've heard three names who could come for the pick along with a pick between 37 and 95 which gentleman really wants. FYI. I'll never say the players Giants are investigating for very obvious reasons
Hmm I’m wondering if one of them is Buckner from SF.
The Niners have a glut of talent on the DL, picking in a spot where the best players will be Bosa and Q. That's a good guess, although I would lean more towards Solomon Thomas.
I’m just trying to connect the dots. He fits jtgiants description and we know the Giants wanted him in a potential Odell deal.
Agreed. I think they will all be gone by #17 as well, simply because QBs get overvalued every year. It's a function of a desperate desire to get a franchise QB. This year is no different. It will just be interesting if Haskins is still available at #17.
Team:
New England for one of the top TE@17?
For
1 of their 2 2nd picks?
3 young player : WR Dorsett/Paterson
Didnt we like Obi Melifonwu?
Anyone else?
I am coming to the conclusion that these QBs are not rated high enough to take at #6 but possibly at #17; however, they are not worth enough to trade up at a steep cost. This, in a nut shell, tells me that they are not really in love with this QB class at all.
The info that gets out there is much more about the first round. This year they have two picks in the first, so they should care what people know. If it doesn’t matter, they’d do us all a favor and just post their board on social media. I mean, if it makes no difference anyway, who cares, right?
Can you say if they are all on the defensive side of the ball or both sides?
Either way DG has done a masterful job. Now reports coming out on Jones being Giants #1 QB.
This is great!
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Then Gettleman has done a masterful job spreading misinformation. With that said I fully believe JonC and jtgiants that Haskins will not be the pick even with a trade up from 17.
Either way DG has done a masterful job. Now reports coming out on Jones being Giants #1 QB.
This is great!
Unless they actually pick him? :)
Hopefully not. Solomon Thomas is TERRIBLE.
He's been underwhelming for sure although it could be argued he's playing out of position. May be a nice 5 tech in our scheme though.
Slightly underperforming guys a couple years into their rookie contracts would fit the "Peppers mold". I doubt SF would want to part with Buckner, unless there were cap considerations next year when he's due top 10 pick 5th yr option money at DE.
Leonard Floyd was a nice guess too considering the Bears don't have a 1st.
It would need to be all from one team.
I'm counting on you, JT, to be right!
It would need to be all from one team.
I think you definitely are interpreting that wrong. It is a player and a pick between 37 and 90-something. But there are three potentially different trades.
What I also think is very interesting is the comment about wanting a pick between 37 and 90-something. Why? I know I am leaning towards what I want to believe but I think that increases the odds of getting Rosen.
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3 young players and a early pick for #17.
It would need to be all from one team.
I think you definitely are interpreting that wrong. It is a player and a pick between 37 and 90-something. But there are three potentially different trades.
What I also think is very interesting is the comment about wanting a pick between 37 and 90-something. Why? I know I am leaning towards what I want to believe but I think that increases the odds of getting Rosen.
Send 17 to SF for Buckner + 3rd rounder
Giants send 37 to AZ for Rosen ...
This would be incredible. Everyone wins, SF takes Q Williams and lands 17th pick, AZ gets high round 2 pick for backup QB ... Giants fill 2 needs and get an earlier 3rd
One thing to show who you love at #2 than what it is at #6. Remember the Leonard Floyd and Jack Conklin fiasco?
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In comment 14393746 Jay on the Island said:
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Then Gettleman has done a masterful job spreading misinformation. With that said I fully believe JonC and jtgiants that Haskins will not be the pick even with a trade up from 17.
Either way DG has done a masterful job. Now reports coming out on Jones being Giants #1 QB.
This is great!
Unless they actually pick him? :)
Not true. Other reports contradict this one. Everyone is confused on what the Giants are thinking.
Which means it’s Haskins.
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How many times do I have to say it??? Rant over
I appreciate your input, really, I value it. Please don't tell us we can't speculate on things you have told us will not happen. It's at least a little bit offensive. It feels like you are saying. "I already told you that isn't going to happen so you should stop talking about it." Not cool.
Love the insight, but kind of agree
You saying the giants would swap 1st round picks with a team while also adding a player and an extra 2nd or 3rd?
They wouldn’t just give up pick 17 for a player and extra 2nd or 3rd, correct?
This is dogma on BBI but is it real? Barkley is incredible but everyone and their brother knew that. I give credit for drafting him at 2 though.
Otherwise we have no idea how good Hernandez, Hill & Carter will be. Plenty of guys have had solid year 1s and flashed like they did at points. Many people thought Jerry Reese was an amazing drafter after year 1 with Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, Aad Bradshaw, Aaron Ross, Jay Alford & Zak DeOssie.
Time will tell on everyone but Barkley.
Much the same can be said about Murray...
It all about the risk with these players. They have red flags in their game, but except for Murrya's size, the other issues are too difficult to judge because there just isn't enough of a body of work to properly evaluate. Is whatever issue we are seeing due to lack of experience and can be coached away, or is it a permanent fixture of their game? Is the success due to the system and the surrounding team, or the player? Not enough information to tell.
JT, like others I value your insider input and try to read everything you write.
But your response above is obnoxious, inappropriate, and frankly screams :"the lady doth protest too much!"
Often, the more fervently one declares something the less likely it is to be heeded. This latest from you makes me doubt the veracity of your info. Why bother again interrupting a countering opinion. If you are confident your info is good and correct, let it rest on the table.
Because he ticks off almost all of the boxes the Giants historically prioritize for the QB position:
High character and poise both at the microphone off the field, in the huddle and in the pocket.
He possesses plus arm talent with a quick and technically sound delivery.
Played a high level of comp so they are comparing apples to apples in the evaluation.
High completion percentage(even for a top program).
Elite 50:8 TD/INT ratio.
Good height and size. Respectable athlete.
Cons:
Only 14 starts(like Trubisky and Murray)
Not fleet of foot(slow Combine 40)
Will they draft him over an elite defender at #6? I don't know. It may depend on exactly how the board falls to them. Either way we'll be adding another very talented component to our roster build.
Well, smack dab in the middle between pick 37 and 95 is the 9ers pick at 67. Also rumor has it they are looking to unload crazily athletic but mostly unproductive DE Solomon Thomas, the #3 overall pick in 2017, and might be looking for pick 17 to have the puck of the litter among this year's WR crop, after whiffing on the OBJ deal. Meanwhile, the take ER Bosa or Allen at 2 to supplant Thomas.
Thomas seems more slated to work at 5 or 3 tech as a bookend to BJ Hill. He's not working out as an ER for SF.
Is Thomas plus 67 in the discussion for 17? I think he has a rep as a ++ citizen, and like Peppers has a potential 3 years left on his rookie deal.
Know nothing about the player(s)?
1. Just punt qb and go Bpa. Defense or tackle most likely
2. Trade back up for qb but only if price is not outrageous which is unlikely
3. Trade back. Very possible. I promise u the Giants one way or another will pick after 37 and before 95.
4. trade pick for player. No not Rosen. I've heard interesting names but don't ask
Regarding your third point, getting a pick between 37 and 95 may be because they think that's an area to get a decent big receiver.
He played out of position first couple years but I can’t see any
Way possible giants would consider giving up early pick for him.
A late round pick, sure.
Please don’t let the crybabies deter you from posting. You’re insight is greatly appreciated. I’m sure you mean to be helpful, and it can get frustrating when you have to repeatedly say the same thing to quell the hysteria at times.
Thank you for the info, seriously.
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Giants don't see it as issue. They had a great draft last year and never hid interest n Barkley. They don't think it's an issue. Right or wrong
If that’s the case it’s insanely idiotic. It got them jumped for Floyd and Conklin, and they landed Apple. How’d that work out? Last year they picked at 2. This year they don’t. If they don’t see that as an issue, that should tell you something about our front office. Teams are going through drastic measures to keep their rankings hidden? The Giants: putting them on blast.
Everybody knew we were weak at linebacker and oline on 2016. The rumor that we got jumped becausr of a leak is just that....a rumor.
And Apple is a starting cb on one of the top teams in the league.
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Giants don't see it as issue. They had a great draft last year and never hid interest n Barkley. They don't think it's an issue. Right or wrong
If that’s the case it’s insanely idiotic. It got them jumped for Floyd and Conklin, and they landed Apple. How’d that work out? Last year they picked at 2. This year they don’t. If they don’t see that as an issue, that should tell you something about our front office. Teams are going through drastic measures to keep their rankings hidden? The Giants: putting them on blast.
Everybody knew we were weak at linebacker and oline on 2016. The rumor that we got jumped becausr of a leak is just that....a rumor.
And Apple is a starting cb on one of the top teams in the league.
I don't know what to tell you other than that JTGIants literally said that the Giants know that information leaks and they do not care about it. Look up his posts if you want to.
Armstead not worth 17 by any stretch
Armstead not worth 17 by any stretch
Sorry didn’t mean armstead for 17, just as a player I’d take in a deal. They have a glut of DL talent, which is nice but sitting at 2 doesn’t really align with their “need”. I’m sure they’d love a WR at 17 ... i just know Buckner was heavily discussed in Odell negotiations, so maybe they revisit? He could be extended with the cap next year and beyond.
Buckner would be a dream in Bettcher’s scheme
I could obviously be way off but fun to think about